Will SC's verdict on reserved seats be implemented? - Shazia Mari and Ather Kazmi's Reaction - video Dailymotion

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00:00Shazia Sahiba, I have a direct question for you.

00:04We have told you the background of the reform, what the government says about it, what the opposition says about it.

00:10We have given you all the details.

00:12The question is, if the Supreme Court of Pakistan decides that this decision is not in accordance with the constitution,

00:20but it is intended to rewrite the constitution.

00:22Therefore, we will make this reform so that we can act on this decision.

00:26So, the Supreme Court can be right and can be wrong.

00:32Of course, it is filled with history.

00:34But if the tradition is that first the Supreme Court has a decision, then the Parliament has a decision,

00:39whether this decision should be implemented or not.

00:41Isn't that dangerous? Isn't that chaos?

00:43Thank you very much, Mr. Badami.

00:46I agree with you when you say that the Supreme Court can be right and wrong in its judgment.

00:51And there is no doubt about it.

00:53But at the same time, you must remember that the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:00the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:02the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:04the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:06the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:08the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:10the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:12the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:14the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:16the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:18the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:20the Parliament's prerogative and legislation,

01:22the Parliament's prerogative and legislation…

01:25The Supreme Court has also referred to this on several occasions

01:31The Supreme Court has also referred to this on several occasions

01:36and tried to ban the use of such laws on many occasions

01:43The Supreme Court has also tried to ban the use of such laws on many occasions

01:45And I believe…

01:47Ms. Mashaallah over here told me that

01:49Mr. Chaudhary, you have also said today that there is no connection between the Supreme Court and the decision of Pakistan.

01:54I mean, seriously.

01:55Yes, no, no. I am coming back.

01:56It is clear that the Supreme Court has decided that the Jamaat has to get seats.

01:59After that, the Parliament has amended it.

02:01No, no, no. I think you are confusing.

02:03No, no, no.

02:05Madam, I think you are confusing the issue here.

02:08See, this impression was being given.

02:11Obviously, the PTI is the beneficiary of this.

02:14This impression is being given that we were working against a judicial decision in the Parliament,

02:20when there is no reality in it.

02:22This is not a confrontation.

02:24This is clarity.

02:26In the constitution and in the election law,

02:29changing the floor, changing the party,

02:34which you call in the common, simple language,

02:37the layman's term, you call it lotocracy,

02:40becoming a lota.

02:42This is seen with a lot of contempt.

02:45And that is why this was addressed in the constitution,

02:48it was also addressed in the law.

02:50So, you are telling me that even if the Supreme Court had not decided,

02:53even then, this introduction had to be legislated.

02:56So, coincidentally, two things happened at the same time.

02:58Yes, my own opinion is that many times,

03:01more clarity is necessary in the law.

03:05Whether it is done through amendments,

03:07whether a new law is made for it,

03:09but there was a existing law here.

03:11It has provided clarity.

03:14Two or three things have been addressed.

03:16And certainly, some things came forward,

03:19whether they came as a result of a judicial action,

03:21or as a result of the confusion of a community.

03:26But they definitely came forward.

03:28And I think there is no harm in further looking into a law

03:32and further interpreting it,

03:34and clarifying it.

03:35There is no harm in that.

03:37I have said this on the floor of the House.

03:39The Honourable Court can neither rewrite the constitution,

03:45nor can it legislate.

03:47Let me come back to you.

03:49Mr. Kazmi, this is not a secret,

03:54that the government will also have an idea of this.

03:56When this will be challenged in the Supreme Court tomorrow,

03:59it is not that the government will be surprised.

04:01Even if it is challenged,

04:02even if it is overturned by the Supreme Court,

04:04the government will not be surprised.

04:05It has been overturned.

04:06All this is expected.

04:07So, even the government,

04:08while interpreting this today,

04:09knows that...

04:10But why are you thinking that

04:11Mr. Badami's court will overturn the Parliament's law?

04:15I think this is the thought...

04:17It is possible.

04:18Both the decisions are possible.

04:19Both the decisions are possible.

04:20It is my opinion that it is more possible to overturn it.

04:22I am asking a question.

04:23This is a regrettable thing.

04:25We should not have had this opinion or conclusion.

04:28But some strict traditions have been followed.

04:30Some people will say that

04:31if this Supreme Court will be challenged in Pakistan,

04:33then the court will say that

04:34this is absolutely in accordance with the constitution.

04:36Some people will say that

04:37it is not in accordance with the constitution.

04:38It is my opinion that the Supreme Court will do this.

04:39I think...

04:40No, Athar, the question is that

04:41if this happens,

04:42and if the government also has an idea

04:43that this can happen,

04:44then what must the government be thinking right now?

04:46I mean,

04:47even if this court overturns it tomorrow,

04:49I have softened the word overturned.

04:51It will overturn it.

04:52So, the government must be expecting this.

04:54So, what must the government be thinking right now,

04:56in your opinion?

04:58Look,

04:59it is possible that there is some ambiguity in the law

05:01and it needs to be cleared.

05:03There is no doubt that

05:04this is the right of the parliament.

05:05The parliament can do this.

05:06But this ambiguity was there three months ago.

05:09This was there two months ago.

05:11This was when they overturned it last time,

05:14in the last election act.

05:16That too happened recently.

05:17So, this was there at that time as well.

05:18Why wasn't it cleared at that time?

05:20Now, after the court's decision,

05:22this kind of legislation should be done.

05:24Look,

05:25if the government uses the parliament

05:27to serve its purpose,

05:29for specific things,

05:31then there is a question

05:33whether this is appropriate.

05:35And secondly,

05:36after the court's decision,

05:38and after the note of disagreement,

05:40if you are talking to me

05:42and you have just said one word,

05:44should I start giving my full answer on that?

05:46It won't be like that, right?

05:48I will first understand your entire question.

05:50Now, there is no detailed decision.

05:52So, this is a surprising thing

05:54that there was no detailed decision.

05:56On top of that, there was a note of disagreement.

05:58And on top of that,

05:59our friends from the Moses government

06:01created a law on it.

06:02And then,

06:03as soon as the law was created,

06:05what was the day

06:07that even Farooq Sattar

06:09walked out of it?

06:10He said,

06:11I had to debate on this.

06:13You guys bulldozed it.

06:14So, this is absolutely clear.

06:16I think,

06:17if the government is doing it,

06:18then it is its right to do it.

06:19But at the same time,

06:20don't insult the consciousness of the people

06:22and say,

06:23we had to do it this way.

06:24No,

06:25this is being legislated to frustrate

06:27the decision of the court.

06:28There is no doubt about it.

06:31Maseen,

06:32can I make a comment?

06:33Yes, please.

06:34Mr. Qasim,

06:35with a lot of respect,

06:36I mean,

06:37I appreciate that you said this.

06:40The government is doing it.

06:42This is the job of the parliament.

06:43The parliament legislates.

06:45It will do its job.

06:46But,

06:47as far as you mentioned Farooq Sattar,

06:49I am sorry,

06:50I have to correct you.

06:51You remembered Farooq Sattar a little late

06:53because he had voted on the bill.

06:55Now,

06:56after voting on the bill,

06:57after sitting in the cabinet,

06:58after being a part of the government

07:00and an ally,

07:01he said this.

07:02But,

07:03the biggest thing was that

07:04he had already voted in his favor.

07:05So,

07:06now,

07:07he had a political statement.

07:08He had his own agenda.

07:09I am not going to elaborate on that.

07:10Okay,

07:11go ahead.

07:12But,

07:13this is not the case.

07:14This is not the case.

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Will SC's verdict on reserved seats be implemented? - Shazia Mari and Ather Kazmi's Reaction

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