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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Fahad Hussain (Analyst)
"Shehbaz Sharif Nay Aaj Khushamad Ki Intiha Kardi", Mustafa Nawaz Khokar's analysis on PM's speech
Why did Nawaz Sharif taking U-turn on 'Vote Ko Izzat Do' slogan? - Experts' Told Everything
"Khan Sahab is Khan Sahab... Jab tak unkay Peechay Log Khare Hain..."Muhammad Zubair's Statement
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Fahad Hussain (Analyst)
"Shehbaz Sharif Nay Aaj Khushamad Ki Intiha Kardi", Mustafa Nawaz Khokar's analysis on PM's speech
Why did Nawaz Sharif taking U-turn on 'Vote Ko Izzat Do' slogan? - Experts' Told Everything
"Khan Sahab is Khan Sahab... Jab tak unkay Peechay Log Khare Hain..."Muhammad Zubair's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15We were just talking about the news on TV channels that Mr. Mian has come out in Murree.
00:19The citizens were delighted to see the common people and expressed their happiness.
00:24In today's program, we will do a little analysis on the political situation of the country.
00:29Mr. Zubair has come.
00:31Mr. Zubair, please come here.
00:36We will do an analysis on what these political parties are doing.
00:43Can there be a dialogue between the political parties?
00:46What is the People's Party doing?
00:49And most importantly, the statements of Mr. Imran Khan are coming in front of us in the last few days.
00:53The whole debate is revolving around Imran Khan.
00:57Mr. Imran Khan said something in the jail.
00:59If you watch yesterday's TV talk show, you will see that he has apologized.
01:05Obviously, he has made it very difficult.
01:07His conditions have not changed.
01:09But even now, all the statements are coming from Adiala Jail.
01:13The relevance of politics is coming from there.
01:16Why is this?
01:17After all, why are other political parties not able to make themselves relevant despite being a government?
01:25We will talk about this.
01:26Mr. Mohammad Zubair is present.
01:27Thank you very much.
01:28Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is present.
01:29Thank you very much.
01:30Mr. Fahad Hussain will join us after a while.
01:32So, if we start with Mr. Khan, Mr. Zubair, let me start.
01:36I mean, it was difficult for you to start with Mr. Khan.
01:40Because Mustafa Khokhar does not represent him.
01:42Nobody represents him.
01:44So, the good thing about this program is that whatever you will give, it will be an analysis of the political situation.
01:51What Mr. Mian is thinking, what Mr. Khan is thinking.
01:53You see these statements.
01:55Mr. Khan sometimes comes back to the position of Rose.
01:59Sometimes he says, I just said that it should be non-political.
02:02When did I say this?
02:03These positions, is he playing with the government?
02:08He gives such statements that I think the government is in trouble.
02:10I don't know if there is a deal or not.
02:12Is he actually playing with them?
02:14Actually, Imran Khan is Imran Khan.
02:16And I think he does not worry about his consistent position.
02:21Because people will say that six months ago you said something else.
02:24Now you are saying something else.
02:26Because he believes in one thing.
02:28That his followers will not go from one place to another.
02:32Irrespective of whatever he comes up with.
02:34Sometimes people think.
02:35Okay, even the good analysts, yesterday I was listening to Malik on a TV channel.
02:41He was giving his point of view.
02:43He said, what position have you changed?
02:45Regarding 9th May.
02:46In most channels, it seemed that a lot of positions have changed.
02:50Special programs have started.
02:52What did Imran Khan say?
02:54So Imran Khan, I think, doesn't care much.
02:57Let me tell you.
02:58I said the same thing yesterday, looking at this statement that Mr. Khan gave.
03:01You said, what position have you changed?
03:03Before this, when it comes to apologizing, you say, apologize to me.
03:06Why should I apologize to anyone?
03:07What did I do?
03:08For the first time, he said this.
03:10He did not change his conditions.
03:12All the conditions are the same.
03:14I said, if it was my mistake or my party's mistake, then I will apologize in their place.
03:18This is definitely a small shift in position.
03:20But if you look at it in detail, the statements that have been coming in the last 4-5 days.
03:24Articulation could have been different.
03:26If I was to advise him on 9th May, that 9th May is a very sensitive day.
03:31There are no two opinions on this.
03:33Everyone says that what happened on 9th May should not have happened.
03:36So if you articulate like this, that I am as concerned about 9th May as any other Pakistani.
03:42And including the army, which was mostly attacked.
03:45So the best way is to make a judicial commission.
03:49He said the same thing again.
03:51He said, make a judicial commission, bring CCTV footage.
03:53I am talking about his articulation.
03:55He comes out of jail.
03:57He doesn't care.
03:59And that is true also.
04:01Nawaz Shiv, on the other hand, for example, or some other Chelsea leader who is usually there.
04:06He is very careful.
04:08He is so careful that nowadays he writes everything.
04:11You are a translator.
04:13When you were a translator, you used to write everything.
04:16He is very careful.
04:18Your sensitivity, like a foreign officer, ambassador, foreign minister.
04:22There is a lot of difference between him and the home minister.
04:25The way you come out with a statement.
04:27Because you have to think before you speak.
04:30But Imran Khan doesn't have that difference.
04:33Imran Khan is Imran Khan.
04:35And he feels that nothing sticks to him either.
04:38So far, nothing has stuck to him.
04:46How do you see Imran Khan's politics now from jail?
04:48Mr. Fahad Hussain has also joined us.
04:50Let's talk to him as well.
04:52Kashif bhai, look, there is no doubt in this.
04:55Every morning when you wake up, you pick up the papers.
04:58The headlines in the newspapers are of Imran Khan.
05:02And the narrative setting,
05:04they are doing it despite being in jail.
05:07In the evening, Imran Khan said this about TV programs.
05:11Imran Khan said this in conversation with journalists.
05:14Okay, what does it mean?
05:16Okay, he answered without going.
05:18That is also a headline.
05:19The problem is that the government has no story to tell.
05:22If the government had a story,
05:25then they would have brought the statements forward.
05:28Where after many months,
05:32we got this news,
05:34that Mian Nawaz Sharif sahib
05:36has become popular among the people.
05:38And the people are happy.
05:40This was the news on TV.
05:42The people were happy to see him.
05:44So, when Mian Nawaz Sharif sahib
05:46himself is the head of the Jamaat.
05:49Okay, his brother is the Prime Minister.
05:52His daughter is the Prime Minister.
05:54His deputy is the Prime Minister.
05:56But the class that is associated with him,
05:59his status in the politics of Pakistan,
06:01people look at him as if he is going to say something.
06:03But he doesn't.
06:04He is silent.
06:06Then the Prime Minister,
06:08his today's statement
06:10became a big adornment on the TV channel.
06:12In which he once again exceeded the welcome.
06:14Now, from now on,
06:16see, you tell me yourself.
06:18On one hand, the agenda,
06:20the narrative is being set from there.
06:22And on the other hand, there is no story.
06:24What else can he do?
06:26Yes.
06:27But let's not talk about that.
06:58Of course.
07:07Even now, I'm looking at all these channels.
07:09Nobody is talking about economy and
07:11what the situation is.
07:28And rising.
07:30And rising.
07:32The trend is not the other way around.
07:58This is not the focus of the debate.
08:00This is not the focus of the debate.
08:02The debate is still revolving around politics.
08:28Now, where today's infrastructure.
08:30You are talking about real issues.
08:32Health, education.
08:34It has crumbled.
08:36The population of 25 crores is not able to handle it.
08:38Sir, that day someone had to go to
08:40the largest hospital in Islamabad, PIMS.
08:42I had to eventually go.
08:44Seeing the situation,
08:46this happens with the poor in the country.
08:48We all know what happens.
08:50But the situation is bad.
08:52The government has always been.
08:54This is a new system.
08:57The first responsibility lies with the people.
08:59We have to talk about their issues.
09:01We have to solve their problems.
09:03Health, education and other issues,
09:05put them aside.
09:07Yesterday, I saw the BBC news
09:09about the riots in London.
09:11And in three days,
09:13three men were convicted
09:15and sent to jail.
09:17Three people.
09:19They even punished them.
09:21So, I was thinking that
09:23every institution,
09:25when there is a crisis,
09:27they respond.
09:29They feel responsible.
09:31Just stand up and get counted.
09:33I am here.
09:35They think of it as a national duty.
09:37Here,
09:39our criminal legal system
09:41is in such a state
09:43that there is no justice in this country.
09:45Then there are multiple other factors.
09:47Our provincial fault lines,
09:49the protests in Balochistan,
09:51the people in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
09:53we are not able to come together
09:55on a platform to solve
09:57big issues like terrorism.
09:59And our focus is something else.
10:01Our focus is on politics,
10:03how to keep it under control,
10:05how not to let it come out.
10:07This is what we started discussing.
10:09We came to know that,
10:11where is PMLN's politics?
10:13Politics doesn't stop.
10:15Politics has to be done together.
10:17Governance has to be done in its place.
10:19Politics has to be done in its place.
10:21But even today,
10:23there is a lot of debate
10:25about Adiala Jail,
10:27whether he will come out or not.
10:29This is what is driving
10:31the news cycle.
10:33Why?
10:35I think there are two factors
10:37which are very important.
10:39First,
10:41Imran Khan's ability
10:43to be the center of news,
10:45whether he is in the Prime Minister's office
10:47or in Adiala Jail,
10:49is his biggest strength.
10:51I don't know if he plans
10:53to give a statement
10:55or not.
10:57Whatever he does, it's working.
10:59And constantly,
11:01there is news about him,
11:03against him,
11:05or his news.
11:07Secondly,
11:09the government is so unsuccessful
11:11that they are not able to
11:13lead the news cycle.
11:15So I think this is a big
11:17failure of the government.
11:19Earlier, they used to say that
11:21the Prime Minister is sitting in the office
11:23and the entire government is with him.
11:25In America, they use the term
11:27bully pulpit.
11:29Here, the entire government
11:31is with you and your voice
11:33is lower than the person
11:35who is in the jail.
11:37This is a big failure.
11:39But the bigger failure is that
11:41there is no acknowledgement of this failure.
11:43They don't seem to understand
11:45Why should they understand?
11:47It's not them.
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29:31He was not there from Lahore, he was working to become the finance minister.
29:40So he joined from Jhelum and we stayed the night in Jhelum at Gilal Qayani's home.
29:46So at Jhelum's Jalsa, someone had put up a sign saying, vote for Khoiz Zardokar.
29:50Maryam was not there yet, she was doing the refreshment.
29:54So I remember, someone said, what are you doing?
29:58And I was shocked, what are we doing?
30:02And this is March end.
30:04And the first impact of that came on July 17th, just 3 months later.
30:11When PMLN lost 16 out of 20 Punjab assembly seats.
30:16No matter how you want to look at it, but that was the first blow.
30:21That was such a big shock that PMLN has never faced in electoral politics.
30:25So I think, if you look at the electoral process,
30:29there have been many discussions about giving respect to the vote.
30:32Why don't we raise slogans? Why don't they play up?
30:35Okay, that is a very good theme, it is exciting.
30:38If you tell me one place, where the entire election campaign of 2024 was held.
30:43It was like this.
30:44When was the campaign held?
30:46The campaign was held in Punjab.
30:48How many campaigns?
30:494-5.
30:50Rare campaigns?
30:51I have never seen such a lackluster campaign of elections in my life.
30:54Whatever it is.
30:55But at least 50-60 Jalsas have been held.
30:58No sir.
30:59What is the matter?
31:00In which Mian sir or Maryam went?
31:01Maryam went more.
31:02If it is more than 30, then I will get angry.
31:04Okay, whoever went.
31:05I still remember Mian sir's schedule.
31:07I am not at fault.
31:08Every 5-6 days after one Jalsa, 2-3 of them got cancelled.
31:11Okay, whoever went.
31:12But who stopped?
31:13It seemed like we had made a bargain.
31:15There was nothing to say.
31:16That we will not raise slogans by giving respect to the vote.
31:18We repent.
31:19Let us come to power.
31:21We will not raise slogans.
31:22Do you think Zubair bhai that the voter has gone ahead?
31:26Yes, the voter has gone ahead.
31:27And this voter has gone ahead because the leadership of PMLN is standing there.
31:32So, you look at the faces.
31:33The 25-year-old kid, 20-year-old kid.
31:36Since he was born, he has seen Sardar, Pervez Rashid, SN Iqbal, Khwaja Asif.
31:42They are the same faces.
31:43So, if there is a problem in Pakistan and everyone agrees there is a serious problem that Pakistan is facing.
31:49So, are they not the same faces?
31:51So, no youth is looking towards them for any solution.
31:56There is a disconnect.
31:57There is no change on the other side.
31:59No, no.
32:00There is no change on the other side.
32:01These are the same people who are behind them.
32:03Mr. Khan somehow or the other carries.
32:05Despite reminding us that look at the age of Pervez Khattak, look at the age of Shafqat Mahmood.
32:11This is not a party of youth.
32:12But somehow or the other, it never.
32:14Mr. Khan convinces people.
32:16Mr. Khan, there is a government of two months left.
32:19What is he doing with these statements?
32:21Look at the statements of the last 10 days.
32:23I think he is playing with the government.
32:25He is worried that this deal is not going to happen.
32:27Do you agree with this?
32:29No, I think genuinely in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf, there are two schools of thought.
32:34One is more aggressive.
32:35One is a little more reasonable.
32:37Hamad Azhar is on one side.
32:39Arsad Qaisar is on one side.
32:41The school of thought that appeals to Mr. Khan, they talk about it.
32:45And then it becomes a party policy.
32:47Then the rest explain it.
32:49This is the first time that the doves have somehow prevailed.
32:54And this statement that I may apologize as a condition.
32:58I think this argument has prevailed on them that you should be a little flexible.
33:05After that, look at the statements that are coming.
33:08Constantly, whether it is Umar Yousaf, whether it is Salman Raja or someone else.
33:12Suddenly their tone has changed.
33:14Yesterday he was saying that he is the king of the jungle.
33:16We don't know who he is.
33:18We never said.
33:20As if the drums were stopped in the Jalsa.
33:24Our political politics are like this.
33:28So, in my opinion, look, I think this is a testing of waters.
33:32This is happening.
33:34I think they are thinking that we have taken an extreme position.
33:36Mr. Khan has taken a very extreme position.
33:38They are not having that impact.
33:40The answer is not coming from the establishment.
33:42Instead, the speech that the Chief of the Army staff gave today,
33:46he himself made it clear that we will stand in front of the spread of social media.
33:50So, I think this is an effort.
33:52If you don't get a response from there by showing your eyes,
33:55then maybe a little soft, look, the response will come.
33:58I think they are looking for some response.
34:00And the entire youth is on social media.
34:02So, when they are warned that social media is the problem,
34:06they will be more disconnected.
34:09Anyway, when you say that this is digital terrorism,
34:12we will build firewalls, what message are you giving to the youth?
34:15You have to engage with the youth.
34:17Tell them that whatever political narrative you want to give,
34:20you have to give the narrative.
34:22Blackout is not the solution to any problem.
34:25There is no answer to any political tactic that we are going to blackout.
34:29Nothing will happen here.
34:30But this is happening here.
34:32There is a statement from there.
34:34We are stuck between this.
34:36Bangladesh needs to be studied.
34:38One point.
34:39There is a difference.
34:41Issues are stuck on May 9.
34:44Now, this flexibility has come on May 9.
34:47Now, Mr. Khan has said that if any one of them is mine,
34:51and he was found to be in full violence,
34:54then I will apologize to him.
34:56Now, it is clear that he is there.
34:58It is not that the PTI people are not there.
35:00Obviously, they are there.
35:02Either they are slowly preparing their core support,
35:05that when we will have a little climb down,
35:08then we are going step by step for it.
35:10Tomorrow, we will justify that we have changed it.
35:13We have benefited.
35:14So, I think, either they are going with a strategy,
35:17or they are testing the waters.
35:19If it does not come, then he will revert back to that hard line.
35:22Last 30 seconds.
35:24Issue on May 9.
35:25I have always been saying this.
35:27Issue is not on May 9.
35:28Imran Khan did not have to give the government earlier.
35:30What will be the drastic change?
35:33You will feel that the path for Imran Khan is easier.
35:36Because they were looking for an opportunity.
35:38I used to say that hope is a bad strategy.
35:40But we are hoping that Imran Khan will make a mistake.
35:43So, we will catch him.
35:44That is why the Punjab election did not happen.
35:45The KP election did not happen.
35:46He did not have to do it.
35:47He did not have to let it come to the government.
35:49If you are in the opposition,
35:51then your mistakes are also exposed.
35:53But on May 9,
35:55there was a big statement of the PTI,
35:58that this is a false flag operation.
36:00And the articles written by Imran Khan
36:02for the international newspapers,
36:04he also said that this is a false flag operation.
36:06Today, they are climbing down.
36:07They are changing their position.
36:09I look at it positively.
36:11I look at it positively because
36:13we did not have a justification for May 9.
36:17They said that this is a false flag.
36:19But if they are accepting this today,
36:21then this is fine.
36:22This will create a balance in our politics.
36:24And to end the violence in our politics,
36:28this is our responsibility as politicians.
36:31I see it positively.
36:33So, you see it positively.
36:34The only problem with this is,
36:36I feel that there has been no change in their position.
36:39Only one thing has been added to it.
36:41Earlier, they used to say that they did not do it.
36:42Now, they say that they did not do it.
36:43Earlier, they used to say that they brought CCTV.
36:44Now, they say that they brought it.
36:45They made a Judicial Commission.
36:46Now, they say that they did not do it.
36:47But there is an addition.
36:48If we did it,
36:49show me,
36:50I will apologize.
36:51Take a break.
36:52Take a break.
36:53Good bye.