Interview with politics expert Dr Steve McCabe.
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00:00I don't support street violence, I don't support thuggery in any way at all, but I'm worried
00:07not just about the events in Southport, but about societal decline that is happening in
00:11our country.
00:12Law and order folks on our streets is breaking down.
00:17But one thing I would say about the recent disturbances and the riots, call them what
00:23you will, in Britain, is that there's an underlying tension and a sense of being left
00:32behind, if I should use that expression, of the, dare I call it, the white working classes.
00:37And quite clearly, that's the terrain that reformer get to work upon, albeit, of course,
00:43if you remember their provenance, they came out on this.
00:46It was the UKIP party, which of course was formed by a certain Nigel Farage, in dissolution
00:51with Europe in the early 1990s as a consequence of the Maastricht Agreement.
00:56I think the history is important, because what it tells us is that Nigel Farage may
00:59be many things, and of course, his brand may have been slightly tainted by his stance on
01:05the riots.
01:06But I do think that, of course, he's a very calculating creature.
01:10He will trade upon the sense that things are not going to change that radically.
01:16The Labour Party have already said this, and of course, that's the background to this,
01:20that will people feel tremendously better off, if I use that expression, by the next
01:24election in, we believe, 2029?
01:27And I suspect not, that there'll be some sort of changes.
01:31And of course, that's where reform UK will sort of, that would be their battleground
01:36and territory.
01:37The big question is, will they sort of become the second party?
01:40It's entirely possible, given the sort of trajectory.
01:43But dare I say, trying to sort of predict what's going to be happening in five years
01:46is so, so difficult.
01:47But what I can probably say with a fair degree of confidence is, reform UK are not going
01:52to go away, because that's the nature of Nigel Farage.
01:56He's had his moment in the sun, as it were, but he's not going to go away soon.