11th Hour | Waseem Badami | ARY News | 14th August 2024
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:07Pakistan is now 78 years old.
00:11First of all, listen to the voice that reminds every Pakistani of how thousands, lakhs, mothers, sisters, daughters and young people's sacrifices were seen.
00:28And how the people of this country were given freedom.
00:32This is the voice that has a lot of sacrifices, a lot of blood, a lot of hard work behind it.
00:40And this voice is the essence of all that.
00:44Assalamu Alaikum, Pakistan Broadcasting Service.
00:51We are speaking from Lahore.
00:54The midnight of the 13th and 14th of August, 1947 is 12 o'clock.
01:02The dawn of freedom.
01:06The dawn of freedom.
01:08So, of course, a very long journey before freedom and a very long journey after freedom.
01:14Baba Iqaum Muhammad Ali Jinnah had realized this and this.
01:20That's why you listen to how he said at that time and in his first speeches, in the speeches of the Constitutional Assembly, etc.
01:28The summary of this was that he saw all the hard work and sacrifices with his own eyes.
01:34The sacrifices were made to reach the moment of freedom.
01:39But despite seeing all that, he said at that time,
01:44that the amount of hard work and sacrifices that have been made so far,
01:48the same or perhaps more than that, will be needed to maintain the blessing of this freedom.
01:54See what Baba Iqaum Muhammad Ali Jinnah had said.
01:58Assalamu Alaikum, brothers and sisters.
02:08We have made a lot of sacrifices to reach Pakistan.
02:18But we will have to make more sacrifices to keep Pakistan stable.
02:30The Muslims are not afraid of difficulties.
02:41Our courage is high.
02:47We want freedom.
02:52It seems that there is a person who knows everything.
02:56He knows the stages of freedom and what stages will be presented in the future.
03:01That's why he said a lot about civil-military balance, unity, etc.
03:09For example, on 15 June 1948 in Quetta, Pakistan said that we are all Pakistani.
03:15None of us are Sindhi, Balochi, Bengali, Pathan or Punjabi.
03:19We should be proud of being Pakistani.
03:22On 28 December 1948 in Dhaka, it is said that you have the power to give power to a government.
03:28Or you have the power to overthrow a government.
03:30But it is not right to use the method of attack for this.
03:34You will have to understand the system to learn how to use your power.
03:38If you are not satisfied with this government, then the law gives you the power to overthrow the government.
03:43Therefore, this action should be carried out according to the law.
03:48Today is the day of freedom in Pakistan.
03:50There are many questions.
03:52There are many desires.
03:54There are many conditions.
03:56There are many messages.
03:58There are many thoughts.
04:00There are many problems.
04:02We are standing in front of all these problems.
04:05Let's start with this prayer.
04:07It is natural for all of us, whether it is in terms of religion, religion, language or ethnicity.
04:16It is natural for all of us to bow to one side or the other.
04:20But if we can promise that when it comes to Pakistan,
04:26then all the ethnic background, language background, province background,
04:33all these things will come together in Pakistan.
04:38So that the moon is bright, the star is shining, and the highest flag is ours.
04:44Once again, I welcome all of you to the day of freedom in Pakistan with this prayer.
04:49May Allah make our next year as a nation much better than last year.
04:55And after all this, of course, we come to our current situation.
05:00The country's politics and the current situation are going on.
05:05And a lot is going on.
05:07The political environment of the country is very hot.
05:10Yesterday, Mr. Asim Munir, the head of the Pakistan Army, addressed a speech on freedom in the country.
05:16And once again, he used the word digital terrorism on behalf of the army.
05:23See what Asim Munir said about digital terrorism yesterday.
05:40The purpose of which is to spread hypocrisy and disappointment among the people through false news and propaganda.
05:46The law of freedom of speech in Pakistan does allow it.
05:53But the law of Pakistan has also made it clear.
05:57And see what he said about corruption on earth.
06:01See what he said.
06:03In the Qur'an, in Surah Al-Maidah, verse number 33, Allah says,
06:10The reward of those who fight Allah and His Messenger and strive to cause corruption on earth,
06:17whether they are killed or crucified, or their hands and feet are cut off against them, or they are exiled from the earth,
06:25that is a disgrace for them in this world and a great punishment for them in the Hereafter.
06:31And its translation is,
06:33The reward of those who fight Allah and His Messenger and strive to cause corruption on earth,
06:40whether they are killed or crucified, or their hands and feet are cut off against them,
06:50or they are exiled from the earth,
06:54that is a disgrace for them in this world and a great punishment for them in the Hereafter.
07:00Yesterday, the Prime Minister of Pakistan also talked about digital terrorism in his message.
07:06The target of the enemy forces is your mind.
07:10And the enemy of Pakistan is using every means so that our Pakistan cannot move forward.
07:17By using the weapon of digital terrorism, he has started bombing the minds of Pakistan's youth with lies.
07:27This weapon of lies can only make the truth a failure.
07:32While the head of KPK, Ali Amin Ghandapur, thought it appropriate to congratulate the Day of Freedom in this way.
07:42I congratulate all of you and all the Pakistanis living in any corner of the world on the Day of Freedom.
07:48I don't congratulate those people at all.
07:50They broke the law of Pakistan. They committed mandatory theft.
07:52They broke the law of Pakistan.
07:54I don't congratulate those people at all.
07:56I congratulate the Day of Freedom.
08:24We request you to stay away from politics.
08:32Stay neutral.
08:34Stay non-political.
08:36Noon League is making you fight.
08:38You won't let this conspiracy succeed.
08:40We won't let it succeed.
08:42In these 15 days, the army's reaction has also come that our situation is the same.
08:46Khan sir's harsh answer has also come.
08:48In these 15 days, Faiz Amin sir's court martial has also happened.
08:50So many things have happened.
08:52Let's talk about these things.
08:54Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is with us.
08:56Mr. Mohammad Zubair is with us.
08:58He is a former governor.
09:00Mr. Mustafa is a senior political adviser.
09:02Mr. Aamir Ilyas Rana is with us.
09:04He is a senior journalist.
09:06I am very thankful to all of you.
09:08Mr. Aamir, if I start with you,
09:10what is happening,
09:12and I have told you the scenario of the last 15 days.
09:14You can add more things to it.
09:16The head of KPK is using digital terrorism once again.
09:20He is telling us the consequences of this.
09:24So, what is he telling you about the politics of Pakistan in the coming days?
09:28Do you agree that there will be a lot of unrest in the next few weeks,
09:32regarding Faiz Amin sir and the constitutional amendment?
09:38Thank you very much, Mr. Badami.
09:40Today, we are celebrating freedom.
09:42Our elders came from India and Karnal.
09:46They were in the services at that time.
09:48They made sacrifices.
09:50And they are still making sacrifices.
09:52Because the people are trapped.
09:54And those who are special,
09:56they always try to make money
09:58and when they stop,
10:00they see the pain of Pakistan.
10:02Otherwise, no one can see it.
10:04We are sitting in that.
10:06We live in that Pakistan.
10:08And as they say,
10:10when a man has a heart attack,
10:12he knows that he has suffered a loss in profit.
10:14Otherwise, he dies.
10:16All the pains that we are going through,
10:18for the so-called Pakistan,
10:20they have only this kind of condition.
10:22That my share has been closed,
10:24my profit has been reduced.
10:26There is no other pain.
10:28Everyone lives in sharing.
10:30Because if you are in the opposition,
10:32then the rulers are also doing the same business
10:34that the opposition has saved.
10:36So, when we come to this,
10:38and General Faiz comes,
10:40and you said a very good sentence,
10:42that I remembered the white salad,
10:44that I think they are taking me to the military court.
10:46Because they were seeing something.
10:48Because General Faiz's
10:50all the things,
10:52the inquiries that the Major General was doing,
10:54obviously, it was not happening in secret.
10:56And that house was also vacated from him,
10:58which he had bought in the General Colony.
11:00That you can't take it here.
11:02I mean, he was an irritant in the system of the army.
11:04And he was putting up a proper block.
11:06So that army then blocked him.
11:08And then,
11:10it was said to take it in public.
11:12And it was said that
11:14the military part was only of the top city.
11:16And the rest of them,
11:18obviously, they had no affiliation with any party.
11:20Which was brought by a system,
11:22but it was made a private part of them.
11:24That after retirement,
11:26even in that, the army saved the integrity of its institution.
11:28That if our DGI
11:30is going personally on it.
11:32But the institution that was making Imran Khan,
11:34for which DG ISI and DG ISPR
11:36had made a press conference,
11:38that we made very long briefings,
11:40and told them that we want to step back.
11:42And we have done a lot for Imran Khan.
11:44General Pasha, General Zaheer, General Rizwan.
11:46All these people kept doing it.
11:48And kept running on their sides.
11:50If someone sat quietly,
11:52then the institution didn't say anything to them.
11:54They were very angry that I had taken retirement.
11:56I was supposed to go in April 2022.
11:58And I left.
12:00And then they didn't sit.
12:02So they were in the news continuously.
12:04And you are sure that
12:06Mr. Amir's affair will spread to Imran Khan.
12:08And there will be strictness
12:10on PTI and their leader.
12:12I think that
12:14those things are present with it.
12:16No one is doing anything alone.
12:20I was listening somewhere today.
12:22PTI people say this.
12:24Shoaib Shaheen said in our program that
12:26brother, what can a retired person do?
12:28Today you are DG ISI, so you are the owner of black and white.
12:30If not tomorrow, then what will you do?
12:32What would Faiz Amir do for us after retirement?
12:34Obviously,
12:36Mr. Shaheen is talking about the reality.
12:38He is talking about Imran Khan.
12:40He wants to talk to today's people.
12:42Today's people are not asking him at all.
12:44Sometimes they praise him.
12:46Sometimes they comment on him.
12:48Sometimes they make him a white collar.
12:50Sometimes they make him a traitor.
12:52And then they join their hands
12:54that you talk to us.
12:56We will give you acceptance.
12:58What else is Imran Khan doing now?
13:00The number of times he has spoken to journalists in Adyala jail,
13:02they change from the previous stance every time.
13:04This is not what I meant.
13:06The reporters are surprised
13:08because there is no recording.
13:10A journalist does not have
13:12a tape recorder to record
13:14what you said last time.
13:16So how can we prove it?
13:18Because it is his will.
13:20He has been standing on the last statement
13:22since the first day.
13:24It was used for the Chief Marshal.
13:26You are saying that he was so influential
13:28post retirement that he was in a position
13:30to influence
13:32the decision of the party and the military.
13:34I think that
13:36through Zulfi Bukhari,
13:38Banni Gala and Imran Khan
13:40and everything else was going on.
13:42There is another piece of information
13:44that some people from Pindi
13:46have been transferred to Adyala jail.
13:48We will get the news.
13:50I think this happened
13:52before the Supreme Jail.
13:54Yes.
13:56This was happening
13:58under a system.
14:00They said that
14:02they were not in a good condition
14:04and their food was not good.
14:06All three guests are with us.
14:08We will be back after a short break.
14:10We welcome
14:12Mustafa Nawaz Khokar,
14:14Mohammad Zubair and Amir Ali Hassanana.
14:16When I said political leadership,
14:18you smiled.
14:20Do you intend to
14:22form a political platform
14:24in the near future?
14:26This is political leadership.
14:28They have done politics
14:30in the party.
14:32We thought that
14:34you will be a part of the party
14:36when Mr. Miftah launches the party.
14:38Why didn't you become a part of that party?
14:40Thank you,
14:42Mr. Badami.
14:44The reason why I didn't become a part of the party
14:46was that there was a difference of opinion
14:48and it was very limited.
14:50The timing was not
14:52suitable for us
14:54and some other friends.
14:56I thought we should wait.
15:00I was a proponent of
15:02forming a political party.
15:04But on 8th,
15:06just like I was wrong
15:08and many other
15:10intellectuals in Pakistan
15:12were wrong,
15:14the situation after 8th
15:16is completely different.
15:18Despite all the difficulties,
15:20the people of Pakistan
15:22gave majority to Tehreek-e-Insaf
15:24and voted for Tehreek-e-Insaf.
15:26I think we are in a new territory
15:28in which the society
15:30has become very polarised.
15:32Maybe a new political party
15:34will be formed
15:36after some time.
15:38This was our opinion
15:40and my opinion.
15:42Is it possible that
15:44before the next election,
15:46you will announce
15:48the return of Tehreek-e-Insaf
15:50or will you have another platform?
15:52We will see.
15:54It is a matter of time.
15:56Let's see what direction
15:58the country's politics will take.
16:00The political parties
16:02coming and going to this country
16:04has been going on
16:06for the past 70 years.
16:08But will we be able to
16:10solve the country's problems?
16:12Will we be able to give relief to the people?
16:14After 77 years,
16:16what will we be introducing to the world?
16:18Unfortunately,
16:20we are introducing
16:22a failed state.
16:24A state in which
16:26terrorism is on the rise,
16:28human life is not safe,
16:30justice is not provided,
16:32health and education are not provided.
16:34A state in which
16:36politicians, judges,
16:38generals, bureaucrats,
16:40big investors
16:42are all involved.
16:44We have made such an exploitative state
16:46in which everyone
16:48has protected their interests.
16:50But no one is looking at the 25 crore people.
16:52No one is looking at the challenges
16:54facing the country.
16:56Today, the political parties
16:58are in power.
17:00But will they be able to deliver?
17:02There are many questions
17:04for Pakistan.
17:06My point of view is that
17:08for 77 years,
17:10we have not been able to solve
17:12a fundamental contradiction.
17:14That fundamental contradiction is
17:16who is going to govern.
17:18Even today,
17:20when we are discussing with Faiz Hamid,
17:22the law,
17:24the military act,
17:26probably section 25 or 26,
17:28I was seeing that
17:30there is a restriction
17:32on any retired officer
17:34to participate in political activities
17:36for 2 years.
17:38If he has been in a sensitive position,
17:40then the restriction is of 5 years.
17:42We are definitely hearing
17:44through the media
17:46and the press conference of DGISPR
17:48that post-retirement
17:50activities,
17:52political activities
17:54will be restricted.
17:56But even today,
17:58we are not saying
18:00that during the service,
18:02which was going on,
18:04it is not being restricted.
18:06We have to solve this contradiction
18:08that in the end,
18:10it will be done according to the wishes
18:12of the people.
18:42Let the governments do it for 5-6 years.
18:44The system will be established.
18:46The institutions will be strong.
18:48The country will be better.
18:50On paper,
18:52even I have the same opinion.
18:54What do you think is the solution?
18:56Like Fawad Chaudhary,
18:58he says that those who have power
19:00will not back down.
19:02So, all stakeholders
19:04should sit together
19:06and work together.
19:08Or should we request the politicians
19:10not to become the puppets of the government?
19:12Only then will we get a solution.
19:14Or should we request the establishment
19:16to help us?
19:18What is the solution?
19:20Look, the solution is
19:22that there is no rocket science.
19:24If other countries in the world
19:26have progressed,
19:28we will leave the world.
19:30We have started the journey
19:32together with India.
19:34But today,
19:36where has India reached
19:38after 1947,
19:40without wasting any time,
19:42they made their own constitution
19:44and started the journey of democracy.
19:46The first election
19:48in Pakistan
19:50was held in 1970.
19:52By that time,
19:54four elections had been held in India.
19:56Three of their parliaments
19:58had completed their term
20:00and were heading towards the fourth election.
20:02And we were from 1947 to 1958.
20:04I think we had 9-10 ministers
20:06but they were different.
20:08It was stated from India that
20:10I don't change my pyjamas as much
20:12as the ministers in Pakistan do.
20:14And this is generally
20:16a debate that nations
20:18decide in their initial stages.
20:20And after Jinnah's death,
20:22I think the idea of Pakistan
20:24was hijacked.
20:26The kind of personality he was,
20:28the kind of Pakistan he wanted,
20:30a liberal, progressive Pakistan.
20:32And there are many evidences
20:34to show what role he played
20:36in international politics.
20:38How Pakistan's face
20:40was presented to the world.
20:42But we kept moving away from all that.
20:44Then there were wars in the region
20:46and superpowers were involved.
20:48And ultimately,
20:50when we saw the political class
20:52being liberated,
20:54under Abdo,
20:56the people who were involved
20:58in making Pakistan,
21:00who had a big part in Tehreek-e-Pakistan,
21:02realized that they were not
21:04qualified for politics.
21:06And then the role of our
21:08establishment in politics
21:10kept increasing.
21:12The regional wars
21:14didn't help either.
21:16You told us about his background.
21:18I'll come back to you in a while.
21:20Let's talk about it in conclusion.
21:22Let me talk about it briefly.
21:24One is Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's mindset.
21:26He may not be in an official position,
21:28but we all know his mindset.
21:30A politician should first
21:32strengthen his institutions.
21:34Only then can you
21:36push others back.
21:38Otherwise, the situation will remain the same.
21:40I'll come back to this later.
21:42Mr. Zubair,
21:44we're talking about the issue of
21:46Mr. Faiz Hamid.
21:48One thing is also coming up.
21:50Towards the end,
21:52he went to the other side of the wicket.
21:54And he also bent
21:56towards Muslim League Noon.
21:58Now, the next Army Chief
22:00can bet on the Muslim League Noon.
22:02The two meetings you had
22:04were discussed a lot.
22:06Apparently, the relationship
22:08between Noon and the establishment
22:10was very bad.
22:12You met the Army Chief,
22:14Mr. Bajwa,
22:16along with DJI SI,
22:18Mr. Faiz Hamid.
22:20Did you feel any change of heart
22:22towards PMLN?
22:24No, not at all.
22:26As far as
22:28PMLN was concerned,
22:30he was more of a hawk
22:32compared to General Bajwa.
22:34General Bajwa was
22:36ready to listen.
22:38And he was listening
22:40for many hours.
22:42General Faiz Hamid was very
22:44strong in terms of
22:46his opposition to PMLN.
22:48And even after that,
22:50I met him.
22:52He changed a little after 4-5 months.
22:54But,
22:56my initial assessment was...
22:58But, Waseem,
23:00General Faiz Hamid...
23:02The question is...
23:04Our entire cycle
23:06is going on.
23:08Whenever you arrested
23:10General Faiz Hamid,
23:12a case will be filed against him.
23:14An internal inquiry
23:16should also be conducted.
23:18Two things are important.
23:20If there is a wrongdoing,
23:22and the case has been identified,
23:24what is more important
23:26than that is
23:28whether you have fixed
23:30the cause of the problem
23:32for the future or the present.
23:34Right.
23:36Here, people think that
23:38if there is an exemplary punishment,
23:40it will be fixed.
23:42But, it is not an exemplary punishment.
23:44The checks and balances,
23:46the control mechanism,
23:48the decision-making process
23:50and all that...
23:52In the case of Top City,
23:54for example,
23:56the ISI rangers were sent there
23:58and they did all this.
24:00And then, they forced them.
24:02Did this happen before?
24:04Before that,
24:06General Zaheer-ul-Islam,
24:08General Rizwan,
24:10General Shuja Pacha,
24:12Hamid Gul,
24:14they were fighting independently.
24:16Today, no one defends that war.
24:18They say,
24:20we have made ourselves a front-line state
24:22in Afghanistan.
24:24So, the main thing is
24:26that if a nation
24:28wants to learn
24:30and want to stop this in the future
24:32and want to stop it in the present,
24:34then,
24:36are there such infinite powers
24:38today
24:40on the basis of which
24:42such decisions should be made
24:44in which political decisions
24:46were made by General Faiz Ameed,
24:48General Shuja Pacha,
24:50and not General Shuja Pacha
24:52who was breaking the politicians
24:54to bring them to PTI.
24:56Everyone knows that.
24:58So, after that,
25:00when a new chief was made,
25:02or a new prime minister was made,
25:04he identified him.
25:06This is a very serious problem
25:08if we want to take this country forward.
25:10Because this cycle is going on.
25:12See, Waseem,
25:14when a man like General Parvez Musharraf
25:16said 20 years ago,
25:1824 years ago,
25:20he used to tell us that
25:22PMLN and PPP have no future.
25:24Nawaz Sharif and Benazir...
25:26He gave the name of sham democracy
25:28and he used to say,
25:30I would rather kick them out.
25:32Yes, he said that Pakistan has no future with them.
25:34Today, Pakistan's future
25:36is linked to those two communities.
25:38And when General Parvez Musharraf
25:40was talking,
25:42this is an institutional matter.
25:44This is the decision of the institution,
25:46not just General Parvez Musharraf.
25:48But Imran Khan is not the issue.
25:50Nawaz Sharif is not the issue.
25:52The issue is that we are following the rules.
25:54I don't think there is a Pakistani...
25:56So, Mr. Zubair, the solution to this
25:58is that where there is more power,
26:00there should be a request
26:02that don't do this,
26:04or else this happens.
26:06Or there should be a fight
26:08that we are all against you.
26:10So, you want this matter to end
26:12gradually over the years?
26:14No, it won't end gradually.
26:16It is getting worse.
26:18We are reinventing.
26:20When General Bajwa came
26:22and Imran Khan came,
26:24we were told about the one-page
26:26hybrid system,
26:28that there is no direct intervention.
26:30Now we will go through the hybrid system.
26:32We are not stopping the experiments.
26:34I was seeing today that
26:36between 1988 and 1999,
26:38there was no direct intervention.
26:40Yes, in 1988,
26:42B.P. landed,
26:44in 1998, Nawaz Sharif came,
26:46in 1993, B.P. came,
26:48in 1998, Nawaz Sharif came,
26:50in 1997, Mucharraf came.
26:52Mr. Zubair, allow me to conclude
26:54with Mr. Mustafa,
26:56then with you and then with Amir.
26:58Mr. Mustafa,
27:00I am saying this again,
27:02the solution to this is very simple.
27:04There is an intervention,
27:06if it is not happening,
27:08is there any other way?
27:36We will have to strengthen the systems.
27:38Every person will have to do their own work.
27:40It is not that if the judge has to come,
27:42he should think that we have to fix the country.
27:44If there are bureaucrats,
27:46they should think that we can fix the country
27:48and the general should think that we can fix the country
27:50and no one else has a solution.
27:52And Mr. Mustafa, I am saying this again,
27:54everyone has an interest in their work
27:56apart from their own work.
27:58When I was in the Supreme Court,
28:00we used to go to the courts later
28:02to listen to the cases.
28:04We used to go to the courts later
28:06to listen to the cases.
28:08We used to go to the courts later
28:10to listen to the cases.
28:12We used to go to the courts later
28:14to listen to the cases.
28:16We used to go to the courts later
28:18to listen to the cases.
28:20We used to go to the courts later
28:22to listen to the cases.
28:24We used to go to the courts later
28:26to listen to the cases.
28:28We used to go to the courts later
28:30to listen to the cases.
28:32We used to go to the courts later
28:34to listen to the cases.
28:36We used to go to the courts later
28:38to listen to the cases.
28:40We used to go to the courts later
28:42to listen to the cases.
28:44We used to go to the courts later
28:46to listen to the cases.
28:48We used to go to the courts later
28:50to listen to the cases.
28:52We used to go to the courts later
28:54to listen to the cases.
28:56We used to go to the courts later
28:58to listen to the cases.
29:00Amir sahib, final comment from your side.
29:02Do you think we are not discussing
29:04the same issue for the next 70 years?
29:06Do you think we are not discussing
29:08the same issue for the next 70 years?
29:10Look, everyone has a solution.
29:12No one wants to believe or know.
29:14What Mr. Mustafa and Mr. Zubair
29:16said to every institution
29:18is to follow the rules.
29:20But who will do that?
29:22Because everyone has their own benefits.
29:24Nawaz Sharif was beaten up.
29:26Imran Khan came and was beaten up.
29:28He wants to go back to where he was beaten up.
29:30This is the time.
29:32And now that he has been beaten up,
29:34the government is being beaten up
29:36so that the politicians can move forward.
29:38You should not go against the army.
29:40You should ask them to stay in their own circle.
29:42You should ask the courts to stay in their own circle.
29:44The parliament will do its job.
29:46Because our court is as big a ruler
29:48as the army.
29:50They never back down.
29:52They still make the same decisions
29:54they think are beyond the constitution.
29:56and they use the power of the executive as well as the power of the judge, and they still do.
30:00This is the problem that everyone has to solve and the media has to support it.
30:04The media has to become a party in this matter.
30:06Mr. Zubair, a final comment from you.
30:08I personally feel that what Amir sahab has said is more like a practical solution.
30:15It is true that we say that you should stay within your limits,
30:18but the politicians should come together,
30:21and after that there should not be a fight,
30:23but there should be a platform and everyone should try to bring things under their control.
30:29Do you feel this way?
30:30No, I strongly object to what Amir sahab has said,
30:34because this is a new thing that we have reinvented,
30:37that if the Supreme Court makes a decision,
30:39and if it is not right according to your understanding,
30:42then you will not implement it.
30:43Now I will give an example,
30:45the decision of Nawaz Sharif from 5-0,
30:48I opposed it a lot, and I still do.
30:51But I implemented it, and after 2 hours they left the Prime Minister's office.
30:55Now this is a new thing in the country,
30:58because that decision is not right in anyone's eyes,
31:00in everyone's eyes.
31:01In my eyes that 8-2 decision is the best decision,
31:04in Amir sahab's eyes it is not.
31:06But Amir sahab is saying that we should not accept that decision.
31:09This is another test that we are putting on this country.
31:1225 crore people will keep watching,
31:14when will it be our turn in this country,
31:16when will we get two meals a day,
31:18when will we get education,
31:19when will we get a healthy system,
31:20when will we get clean drinking water.
31:21This does not happen.
31:22If you do not like the decision,
31:24that is a different thing.
31:25If you pass a law to block it,
31:30then it means that in the future,
31:32if there is any decision,
31:34and the parliament does something else to block it,
31:37like they did just now,
31:38to stop the decision of 8-2.
31:40The thing is very simple,
31:42if a country like Pakistan cannot make a decision of 3 seats like Islamabad,
31:47it has been 6 months,
31:49only form 45 has to be matched with form 47.
31:53If a country does not have this capacity,
31:55then what can I say more than that,
31:57what will the rest of the world say after seeing us,
32:00listen to us,
32:01and we are not ready to make a small decision,
32:04because that small decision will be very big for the ruling party,
32:09and it will not be acceptable for them.
32:11That is why I am ready to block it,
32:13to do everything.
32:15Thank you very much,
32:16Mohammad Zubair Sahib,
32:17thank you very much,
32:18Mohammad Zubair Sahib,
32:19Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar Sahib,
32:20Amir Ali Hassan Sahib,
32:21thank you very much.
32:22We will conclude after the break.
32:23I will conclude with a prayer and request,
32:25today is 14th August,
32:26the day is coming to an end,
32:27that it is a very traditional thing,
32:29but it is very important,
32:31that we as a nation should reach that stage,
32:34that when it comes to the country,
32:38then we should make every generation,
32:41religion, sect, religion, and politics,
32:45all these aspects,
32:47all these connections,
32:48should be at the back,
32:49and these connections should be at the forefront,
32:52and should be at the forefront,
32:54and also,
32:55the way we think for ourselves,
32:59that freedom of expression is our right,
33:03we are ready to give this right to everyone,
33:06and political parties in Pakistan,
33:09I am saying this in this context,
33:11that I think,
33:12this may be unpopular,
33:14but as long as political parties in Pakistan,
33:16have this special environment of polarization,
33:19if this does not decrease,
33:21then things will not get better,
33:25so political parties,
33:26democratic parties,
33:27should give importance to democratic culture,
33:29so that the workers,
33:30should also have this passion,
33:31that there should be disagreement,
33:32but it should be personal,
33:33it should be among the leaders,
33:34and everyone should sit together,
33:35on sensitive and important issues,
33:37to bring the country forward.
33:39Zindagi Sehat Waheguru,
33:41see you tomorrow,
33:42Allah Hafiz.
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