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00:00Congressman, you said something in an interview with our own Greta Van Susteren.
00:09You and I got into this on my radio show and I am shocked, frankly disappointed, and these
00:16remarks sound like the conspiratorial, anti-Semitic remarks of people that we have heard from
00:23over the years.
00:24What you said was, quote, talking about Israel and, quote, Jewish people, they're controlling
00:31much of our foreign policy, they're influencing much of our domestic policy.
00:38What do you mean by that?
00:39Because that sounds to me like a bizarre conspiracy theory.
00:43Why would you say something like that when it's just, first of all, patently untrue?
00:49Number one, I served in Congress for 17 years.
00:53I've seen members question bills and votes on how does Israel feel about this.
00:59I must have heard that every time there was a significant vote.
01:02Here's what I'm saying.
01:03I'm not an enemy of Israel.
01:05America supports Israel and we should.
01:07They're a free nation, they're our friends amidst a cluster of dictators and monarchs,
01:12so certainly I support Israel.
01:14But Israel, through its lobby, has manifested so much power over the United States Congress
01:19that we're embroiled in wars that I don't believe we should be.
01:22Our kids are coming back in body bags and in the long run, this Israeli lobby is going
01:27to hurt Israel.
01:28So as soon as you mention Israel, someone claims you're an anti-Semite.
01:31No, no, no.
01:32The truth of the matter is, I'm pro-American, Sean, and I don't like, hear me, hear me.
01:39I don't like what's happening in America today.
01:42Our kids are coming back in body bags and we're bankrupt, completely broke.
01:46But you're suggesting here that we're fighting wars on behalf of Israel.
01:51But you just mentioned the 9-11 attacks.
01:52I think, I think a lot of that has been influenced by Israel.
01:54Wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:55Hear me now, Congressman.
01:56We're not fighting the war, we didn't fight the war in Iraq, we're not fighting in Afghanistan
02:01for Israel.
02:02We're fighting because this country was attacked because the 9-11 commission report said there's
02:06a group of enemies against us that are fighting a war against us and we're not at war with
02:11them.
02:12So we're fighting them because they killed 3,000 plus Americans.
02:17That's why we're fighting.
02:18Does that have anything to do with Israel?
02:20All right, let me respond to that.
02:24We're in a situation where the commission come out and they discuss the attack on America.
02:29There's no doubt about it.
02:30But our policies in the Mideast have been so one-sided and subjective.
02:34Without objectivity, we've created so many enemies, the only way they can strike back
02:38is we've imported the terrorists from those actions.
02:41Wait a minute, wait a minute.
02:42So if you question it, you're saying you're an anti-Semite.
02:44No, that's not what you did.
02:45That's not what you said.
02:46You said they're controlling our foreign policy.
02:49They're controlling our domestic policy.
02:50Yes, and I believe they are.
02:52Hear me now.
02:53I believe they control the Senate and the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
02:57That's insane.
02:58And they're controlling our foreign policy.
02:59Congressman, that's conspiratorial nut job stuff.
03:03No, it's nothing to do with conspiracy.
03:05Are we supposed to be friends with Syria?
03:07Are we supposed to be friends with Iran?
03:08Were we supposed to be friends with Saddam Hussein, Hezbollah, Hamas?
03:12Hold it, John.
03:13Well, you said we're only friends with Israel.
03:14John, I know you need ratings.
03:17I know you need ratings, but just hold it.
03:19I have ratings.
03:20I'm not saying we should be friends over there with anybody.
03:22I'm saying we should be objective.
03:24We have developed serious enemies from a one-sided policy.
03:28And yes, I believe Israel, through their lobby, has manifested total power of the Congress
03:33of the United States.
03:34Total power.
03:35Total power.
03:36And my concern is that taxpayers and the citizens of the United States should control their
03:40government, not a foreign entity.
03:42To suggest, as you're doing here tonight, that they control our Congress, that, quote,
03:48they are influencing and sole control of influencing of our domestic policy, is an absurdity.
03:54It sounds like you are a kook.
03:57John, I'm not suggesting it.
04:01I'm telling it.
04:02Yes, I believe they manifest a great power over America.
04:06Let me also say, in the last four years, there are two separate incidents of AIPAC spying
04:11on America.
04:12We even conducted a search warrant on AIPAC headquarters.
04:15Now, I don't like what's going on here.
04:18All I'm telling you is, I'm concerned about America.
04:21You and I might disagree.
04:22I'm not an anti-Semite.
04:24I'm not against Israel.
04:25And if Israel's attacked, I'm the first one to want to support them.
04:29But what I'm saying to you is this power that's being manifest on our Congress is going to
04:33backfire and is going to end up, in the long run, hurting Israel.
04:37Because the American people are getting about fed up with this government.
04:40One last shot at this.
04:42Will you back down from, quote, they are controlling much, meaning the Israelis, they
04:48are controlling much of our foreign policy.
04:50Will you back off that statement?
04:53No, I don't.
04:55All right.
04:56Then we disagree.
04:57Congressman, thanks for being with us.
04:58Good to be on your show.