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Que es la TRAINING VISA?
Cuales son los requisitos para poder aplicar?
No tiene limite de edad y es un camino para la famosa 482.
Richard Timpson, abogado migratorio, nos cuenta todo lo que necesitas saber sobre la 407 TRAINING VISA
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00:00:00Okay, so I'll just do a quick intro in Spanish.
00:00:07Bueno, para todos, como siempre, es en inglés. Es la mejor forma de todos para practicar su inglés.
00:00:15Sobre todo para, sí, para 482, 407, para estas visas, lastimosamente, como saben, tienen que saber inglés.
00:00:24Así que para los que están estudiando inglés, también es una buena practice.
00:00:29Pero bueno, Richard va a hablar, obviamente, en inglés. Lo voy a grabar. Muchísima gente no se pudo unir.
00:00:35Así que lo voy a grabar, para que los que, cualquier cosa que no entiendan, puedan después volver a ver el video.
00:00:45Okay, so Richard, before we start, you're the reason why my sister was able to remain in the country.
00:01:00So, I will be forever thankful.
00:01:03Yeah, my pleasure.
00:01:05I'll tell the reason in Spanish, so that everybody can actually understand. I already told you.
00:01:13And you do speak a bit of Spanish.
00:01:16I speak better Spanish after two or three Fernets and Coke, but I'm not drinking today, so it'll have to be in English. I'm sorry, guys.
00:01:27The best I can say is, hola, chicos, ¿qué tal?
00:01:31Good, good.
00:01:33Pero bueno, como todos saben, creo que son todos mis estudiantes, la mayoría.
00:01:38Mi cuñado logró la 482, el estudio carpintería.
00:01:43La mayoría de los agentes migratorios le decía que no iba a poder sacar la 482, porque un año de su experiencia laboral había sido durante el curso.
00:01:52Y Richard fue, obviamente yo reconfío en Richard, para mí es uno de los mejores abogados migratorios de Australia.
00:02:00Pero fue uno de los que dijo, sí, se puede, lo podemos justificar.
00:02:05Y él encontró la mejor manera de decir, okay, vamos por este lado y va a salir.
00:02:11Aplicó la visa y creo que al otro día la inmigración escribió pidiendo police checks y en menos de, creo que dos meses, un mes y días le aprobaron la visa.
00:02:21Así que definitivamente para siempre agradecida con Richard y realmente sabe muchísimo, por eso para mí es muy importante siempre hablar con él.
00:02:32Como sabemos, debido a la edad de 35, que es la edad hoy en día para poder sacar las graduate, postgraduate visas.
00:02:42El hecho de que mucha gente no llega con la experiencia laboral para sacar ciertas skilled visas.
00:02:49Una de las visas que se estuvo hablando, que si bien siempre existió, que se está hablando mucho, es la 407.
00:02:54Y como todo el mundo quiere saber, quiere saber, bueno, encontramos este video para que Richard lo pueda explicar.
00:03:01Así que Richard va a hacer como una intro explicando todo y después vamos a tener unos minutos para que algunos le puedan hacer preguntas.
00:03:09No hay mucha gente conectada, así que creo que va a ser un buen momento para que todos se puedan sacar sus dudas también.
00:03:17So, Richard, your turn.
00:03:19Thank you very much. Just before I get into it, Bella, if it's okay, I think Lisa wants to say hi. Is that okay with you?
00:03:26Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
00:03:29Hola chicos, yo soy Lisa, trabajo con Richard.
00:03:32Meto un bolo de dos minutos para decirles que obviamente si bien la charla de hoy se va a tener en inglés,
00:03:39nosotros tenemos consultas en las que se traduce todo para que se sientan más cómodos.
00:03:45Nada, y decirles que estamos a disposición, que nos agreguen a Instagram porque nosotros hacemos videos en base a las preguntas que nos van dejando.
00:03:53Y contestamos absolutamente todas las iniciativas y las preguntas que nos mandan.
00:03:58Entonces, si nos quieren agregar a Instagram, les ayuda y nos ayuda a nosotros a saber sobre qué quieren información.
00:04:04Y hacemos videos con actualizaciones.
00:04:06Y el último dato, el sábado que viene, el 24, hay una Latin Business Fair, o sea, un mercado de, mercado entre comillas, pero de negocios latinos.
00:04:19Les doy la dirección, es en el centro de Brisbane, es en 123 Charlotte Street, es el Latin Hub.
00:04:28Nosotros vamos a tener un stand ahí para conocer un poco más a la gente que nos escribe y que quiera venir a decir hola.
00:04:36Así que, vengan, yo voy a tratar de hacer alfajores de maicena, a ver si me salen bien.
00:04:40Y vengan, y nada, así nos conocemos en persona.
00:04:44Ahí dale, por favor, te lo pido.
00:04:46Por ahí voy juntada de estudiantes, que los de Brisbane siempre se enojan que no voy a Brisbane, por ahí voy.
00:04:51Bueno, y nos sumamos nosotros.
00:04:53Podés agregar en la barra de mensajes la dirección del lugar, la hora y el Instagram, please.
00:05:00Perfecto, agrego todo ahora y nada, cualquier cosa, estamos a disposición.
00:05:05Dale, perfecto, muchísimas gracias.
00:05:07A ustedes.
00:05:08Dale, bueno, ahí vamos.
00:05:09Richard, your turn.
00:05:11Thank you.
00:05:12Okay, and Bella, if I talk too much or I go on too long because I'm realizing that you're translating everything that I'm saying,
00:05:20just yell out and stop me if I'm going too far or too long, if that's okay.
00:05:24Cool, no worries.
00:05:25Right, okay, so we're here this evening to talk about the subclass 407 visa.
00:05:31So the subclass 407 visa is really an interesting visa for someone that's interested in being able to stay in Australia on a longer term basis,
00:05:44on the specific basis of a training arrangement taking place between you and a potential employer, a trainer as such.
00:05:53We usually use it where someone might not have the necessary experience,
00:06:01the necessary English language skills or not yet the necessary qualifications in terms of looking at another visa like a 482 visa,
00:06:11which is the one that Bella spoke to previously.
00:06:14So the visa itself is generally granted for up to two years,
00:06:20but there isn't any restriction in terms of the specific amount of times that we can get that visa sort of repeated for, if you like.
00:06:32So there's lots and lots of cases where people have repeat 407 visas,
00:06:37and it's also a really great pathway to move on to then a subclass 482 visa once you've acquired the necessary skills, experience,
00:06:47and sometimes qualifications on the 407 visa.
00:06:50Sorry, Bella, I probably broke the rules straight away and spoke too much.
00:06:53No, that's all right. Maybe I'll explain, but I think it's a pretty straightforward, the first part.
00:07:00It's just what we're talking about.
00:07:02The training visa, the 407 is a training visa.
00:07:06You have to have an employer, so you get the training visa.
00:07:09Generally, people get it because they either come to us with the work experience or they come to us with the level of English,
00:07:17and it's a good step, a good path to go to 407.
00:07:23Another thing Richard said is that it's not common, but you can repeat the 407.
00:07:28Generally, they give it to you for two years, but there have been cases of people who have taken it out again,
00:07:33who have extended it, and it's a good way to, during the 407, to improve your English,
00:07:40to have the work experience to get the 482, which today is the best visa.
00:07:54Yeah, correct. Yeah.
00:07:56And the thing with a 482 visa is that the English language requirements are higher than, say, they are in a 407 visa,
00:08:06and I'll talk about those in a second.
00:08:08So, obviously, if you had an array of options in terms of a 407 or a 482, a 482 is more optimal,
00:08:17just because there's a direct pathway to permanent residency from it.
00:08:21But if you're in a situation where, for whatever reason, you weren't able to access a 482,
00:08:26a 407 is actually quite a good variant to look at as an alternative.
00:08:31Cool. Cool. Yeah. Perfect.
00:08:34Yeah. OK. So, just to give you a sense of an example of a particular case
00:08:41where it might be useful to someone in this situation.
00:08:44So, I worked on a case previously where someone was here on a working holiday visa.
00:08:49They managed to get some regional work with an employer whilst on the working holiday visa.
00:08:56The employee wanted to continue working with this particular person,
00:09:02but the person, the individual applicant, didn't have the necessary English language skills or experience in which to do a 482.
00:09:11So, the employer nominated them for a 407.
00:09:14They got a 407 for two years.
00:09:16And then in that two-year period, they got the necessary skills, English language and experience,
00:09:23and then were able to do a 482.
00:09:25And now that person holds a 186 visa.
00:09:27So, it's definitely kind of a gateway arrangement that we can use to move to a 482
00:09:33and then eventually, hopefully, leading to permanent residency.
00:09:37Perfect. Perfect.
00:09:39Yeah. And obviously, I guess, well, you go now in detail,
00:09:43but, yeah, I guess what everybody wants to know is, I mean, obviously, most of the people that are online
00:09:50and will be watching the video are people on a student visa
00:09:55and are people that may be studying a trade.
00:09:58Say, for instance, I can see that Gaston is online and he's studying carpentry
00:10:03and some people that maybe because of the age are not going to be going to be able to apply for the graduate visa.
00:10:09So, what is really confusing for many people is the experience.
00:10:16Like, how long do they need to be working to be able to apply for this visa?
00:10:24Some people have too much experience.
00:10:27Are they still able to apply for this visa?
00:10:29Like, if you can obviously go into detail, you know.
00:10:32Yeah, definitely.
00:10:33So, now what Richard is going to explain in detail are the conditions,
00:10:37which obviously everybody wants to know,
00:10:40if you can combine study and work,
00:10:43if having a lot of experience also applies.
00:10:46Well, the details themselves of how to get the 407.
00:10:51Yeah.
00:10:52Perfect. Okay.
00:10:53So, I'll get to that question in a second.
00:10:57The important thing to understand with the 407 visa
00:10:59is that there's a number of different streams in that visa.
00:11:03So, essentially, there are five different streams.
00:11:08But for, I guess, most of the people that would be attending this evening,
00:11:12if you're here on a student visa,
00:11:13it's most likely that the occupational training to enhance skills stream
00:11:19is the one that people will be looking at.
00:11:21So, as Bella referred to,
00:11:24there is an experience criterion or requirement
00:11:27with respect to that particular stream.
00:11:30And the requirement is that in the two-year period,
00:11:34immediately before you make the application,
00:11:37the person or the applicant needs to have a minimum
00:11:40of 12 months experience within that timeframe.
00:11:44Okay. Am I okay to go on, Bella?
00:11:51I think she's left the meeting.
00:11:52I'll just continue.
00:11:56So, with respect to that requirement,
00:11:58and I may need to revisit this when Bella rejoins us.
00:12:01I think she's just left for whatever reason.
00:12:04So, the experience requirement.
00:12:07Hi.
00:12:08Would you like me to translate for the team?
00:12:12Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:12:14Bella, are you back with us?
00:12:15She's back.
00:12:16Sorry, sorry. I'm back. I'm back. Yeah.
00:12:18Yeah, yeah.
00:12:20Yeah, so if you wouldn't mind
00:12:23just maybe translating to that point, if that's okay,
00:12:25and I'll then move on from there. Thank you.
00:12:49Now what I'm going to ask you is if it's full-time or part-time.
00:13:20So, say, for example, someone was in a professional occupation,
00:13:24we can look at another stream for this particular visa
00:13:28where we don't need to meet that experience requirement.
00:13:30So, just obviously bear that in mind.
00:13:32But in most cases,
00:13:36based on the kind of the cohort there this evening,
00:13:38I think people will need to meet
00:13:40that 12 months experience requirement.
00:13:42Now, bear in mind that the policy
00:13:46for this particular arrangement around experience
00:13:49is that we can actually use periods of work,
00:13:55but also of relevant study towards meeting that requirement.
00:14:00So, it's 12 years, sorry, 12 months on a full-time basis
00:14:05or the equivalent prorated period on a part-time.
00:14:08So, if we can amalgamate the total period worked
00:14:13to 12 months in the two-year period, that's completely fine.
00:14:17It doesn't need to be a continuous period of 12 months on broken work.
00:14:21So, just before I ask you a question,
00:14:26if you have any questions,
00:14:28go ahead and ask them in the message bar,
00:14:30and then we'll go one by one.
00:14:31For example, Mari's.
00:14:32If you have any questions,
00:14:34write them in the message bar,
00:14:36and then I'll read them and ask them,
00:14:39so as not to interrupt you.
00:14:57Will it be two years part-time?
00:14:59Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:15:01And the thing is, on top of that,
00:15:03if we have a student that's actually studied
00:15:06within that two-year period, something relevant,
00:15:09we can actually use the period of study to make up that requirement.
00:15:13So, if someone has actually studied on a full-time basis
00:15:17for 12 months in a relevant course,
00:15:19I think we could be able to meet the experience requirements
00:15:22on that basis.
00:15:23So, it's work or study or a combination of both.
00:15:26Yeah, yeah.
00:15:27So, obviously, a student can only work part-time.
00:15:31The requirement is 12 months full-time.
00:15:34So, for a student,
00:15:36a full-time year would be two years part-time, right?
00:15:41What Richard is also saying is that it can be a combination.
00:15:44It's what I had sent, which he said last time,
00:15:46which I sent to the WhatsApp group of students.
00:15:49It can be a combination.
00:15:50For example, if you are studying,
00:15:53carpentry, painting and decoration,
00:15:55you are studying something relevant to what you are going to apply,
00:15:58it can be combined with the work experience.
00:16:02It's like there's a little letter, so to speak,
00:16:07that can be combined.
00:16:09It's not black and white.
00:16:11But, obviously, Richard has to analyze the case,
00:16:13or any agent, the case of each person.
00:16:16Yeah.
00:16:18Okay.
00:16:19So, the thing would be,
00:16:20if we have a student that's studying in the specific area
00:16:25that they're going to be occupationally trained in,
00:16:28and they have undertaken studies of at least 12 months
00:16:31in the previous two years,
00:16:33I would sort of suspect that that would be completely fine.
00:16:36So, I think we need to be looking holistically
00:16:39at what the person's, not just the work experience,
00:16:41but also what the study experience is as well.
00:16:44I think you made that point anyway, Bella.
00:16:46Yeah, yeah.
00:16:47And in regards to the occupations,
00:16:49is there like a specific list for the 407?
00:16:54Yeah.
00:16:55Okay.
00:16:56There is a specific list for this particular stream,
00:17:01for the subclass 407 visas.
00:17:04So, in the other streams, there isn't a list of occupations.
00:17:08But for this particular one, there is.
00:17:10Now, what I can say about it is that it's actually really broad,
00:17:15and it encompasses lots of different occupations.
00:17:18It's perhaps more generous than other occupations lists
00:17:21with different visas.
00:17:23So, you know, you'll have a lot of the trade-based occupations there.
00:17:26You'll have lots of other things as well.
00:17:28So, and like if anyone is interested,
00:17:32I can share the occupations list with you, Bella,
00:17:35and you can maybe distribute it to the guys, you know.
00:17:38Yeah, that'd be good.
00:17:39So, for this stream, there is a specific list,
00:17:42but like I said, it's a pretty broad list.
00:17:45Richard is going to share the list with us.
00:17:47For the other streams, no.
00:17:50But for this one, yes.
00:17:52I'll share it with you later.
00:17:54Is it also like, say, the 402 that you said,
00:17:58the occupation or related to that occupation?
00:18:01Is it also the same?
00:18:03Yeah, yeah.
00:18:05So, it's not exactly the same instrument,
00:18:08but it is generally similar to that.
00:18:11It would be like closely related.
00:18:13You know how...
00:18:14Yeah, I guess there's just like a different piece of legislation
00:18:19that they use for the 402 in terms of occupations.
00:18:21There's a very specific one for 407s.
00:18:26I know, but you know how like, say, for the 402,
00:18:30like Leo studied carpentry,
00:18:34but in the occupation that was nominated,
00:18:39was machinists, which is like closely related.
00:18:42Yeah, yeah.
00:18:43Is there something similar to the 407?
00:18:46Look, the way that I would characterize that, Bella,
00:18:49is that it's a lot looser for a 407.
00:18:53So, like with a 480 visa,
00:18:55just speaking to the example that you've given there, Bella,
00:18:58they're much more specific around us
00:19:02needing to have experience in the occupation
00:19:05or sort of closely related work.
00:19:07The point of a 407 is to allow someone to become trained up
00:19:12in a specific occupation
00:19:15by way of like a training exercise, if you like.
00:19:18So, we wouldn't be expected to have the capacity
00:19:22to work fully in the occupation in terms of previous experience.
00:19:26So, if it's generally relevant, I think that we could use it,
00:19:31but it's not as sort of forensically applied
00:19:35as it is with the 402 visa program experience.
00:19:38Cool, cool.
00:19:39Well, in itself, with that part,
00:19:41the important thing to know is that there is a specific list
00:19:44for this stream of the 407.
00:19:47It's quite broad and Richard is going to share it.
00:19:51I was asking Richard because in the case of my brother-in-law,
00:19:55my brother-in-law studied carpentry,
00:19:58but Richard, based on his profile,
00:20:01based on his condition, his English level,
00:20:04based on how his work experience had been,
00:20:07suggested to nominate an occupation that was
00:20:10the most related, so to speak, to carpentry,
00:20:14but it wasn't carpentry.
00:20:16The occupation that was nominated was woodworking.
00:20:20So, that's what I was asking,
00:20:22if there was something similar in the 407.
00:20:25And it's like, according to what Richard says,
00:20:28it's a little bit easier,
00:20:30the occupations that can be nominated for this are broader.
00:20:33That's the important thing to know.
00:20:35There's a list, so he's going to share it later
00:20:37and you'll be able to look at it in detail.
00:20:59So, you don't need to submit, like,
00:21:02payslips and reference letters?
00:21:04Yeah, look, I mean, they could come back and ask,
00:21:08but generally the policy is to provide a CV or a resume
00:21:12speaking to the person's background.
00:21:15And, you know, if they're happy with that,
00:21:17they can accept that, you know.
00:21:19Another thing that Richard says is that they're not so...
00:21:23It can happen, but they're not as strict as for the 482.
00:21:26For example, for the 482,
00:21:28you need a reference letter from your employer,
00:21:31salary receipts, tax summaries.
00:21:35For the 407, perhaps only with the CV,
00:21:39speaking to your background,
00:21:41it can be enough.
00:21:43They can ask you for something additional,
00:21:45but it can be enough simply with a CV.
00:21:49So, that's also quite positive.
00:21:51Okay, sorry.
00:21:53So, I mean, the major sort of stumbling point for 407 visas,
00:22:00and most people will apply for 407 visas in this particular stream,
00:22:05is the training plan that, you know,
00:22:08your potential or prospective employer would need to provide
00:22:12in terms of that application.
00:22:13It's not generally the experience.
00:22:15It's more to do with the training plan that needs to be provided.
00:22:18Okay, so they need to sort of, like,
00:22:20the employer will need to sort of, like, organise, like, a training plan.
00:22:25Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:22:26Sort of like the job training once you,
00:22:30when you're on your graduate visa, sort of like that?
00:22:33Yeah, it's kind of, look,
00:22:35the way to understand it is that for a 407 visa,
00:22:38it's a three-stage process.
00:22:40So, everyone sitting here this evening will, I guess,
00:22:43be potential visa applicants in terms of that visa.
00:22:47So, really, from your point of view,
00:22:50the only thing that we would need to be concerned with
00:22:52is the visa application, and I'll talk about that in a second.
00:22:55The first two applications are brought by the employer, effectively, okay?
00:23:00So, as part of the nomination for a 407 visa,
00:23:04the employer trainer, if you like, needs to provide a training plan
00:23:09that basically just sets out the structure
00:23:12through which you, as the visa applicant, will be trained.
00:23:17And it needs to be, you know,
00:23:19something that's specifically curated
00:23:21based on, you know, the applicant's circumstances
00:23:24as to what is going to give them the best possible training outcome,
00:23:27if you like.
00:23:28And that document is really important
00:23:30because it will determine how long we might get a visa for.
00:23:36So, it's important that it's fully descriptive
00:23:39with respect to what the future kind of horizon will look like
00:23:42in relation to the training activity.
00:23:46The important thing to note, Bella, with the 407
00:23:50is that as much as we can work on a full-time basis
00:23:55with the employer that's supporting us for this visa,
00:23:59the essential intention behind the visa
00:24:01is for us to have, you know, a genuine training experience
00:24:05and outcome from doing this process as well.
00:24:08So, it's not like that we have to be trained in a classroom
00:24:12for the two years.
00:24:13Like, it's a work-based training arrangement
00:24:18for the department to approve it.
00:24:21They need to see this training plan.
00:24:22And look, that's something that the employer needs to focus on.
00:24:26And, you know, like I'm doing a 407 for someone at the moment
00:24:29and, you know, they have someone specifically within the business
00:24:32that's like kind of a training development officer
00:24:34and they would draft that document for us
00:24:37and for the application, you know.
00:24:39Cool. Cool. Perfect.
00:24:41Yes, in this part of what Richard is saying
00:24:44is that the two most important steps are by the employer
00:24:49where the employer has to organize a training plan
00:24:53where, obviously, you're going to be able to work full-time
00:24:55but the objective of the visa is for you to be trained in that occupation.
00:25:00So, obviously, that's going to be more the employer's part.
00:25:05You have people, obviously, the companies are going to have people
00:25:07who are going to take care of that.
00:25:09But like one of the most important parts of the visa,
00:25:12obviously, first, your employer wants to do it.
00:25:14And second, the employer is going to have to organize that training plan
00:25:19that has to be approved by the government
00:25:21so that later you can get the visa.
00:25:25Yeah.
00:25:27Okay. So, like that for me, in my experience,
00:25:31is the most critical part of the application.
00:25:33And that's something that's done by the employers as such.
00:25:36Generally, but always for a 407,
00:25:39there's two applications that the employer needs to bring.
00:25:42It's a legal requirement for those first two applications
00:25:49that the employer brings those applications
00:25:51but also bears the costs associated with them as well.
00:25:55Cool. Cool.
00:25:56So, this is the legal part where it's very important
00:26:00that, obviously, that initial part, which is the employer,
00:26:03the same as the 482,
00:26:05the costs that are related to that application
00:26:08have to be the employer's, not the employee's, so to speak.
00:26:15Okay.
00:26:17However, there are the experience requirement
00:26:21and the English language requirement for a 407
00:26:24are actually in the employer's part,
00:26:25which is a bit weird that they've done it that way,
00:26:27but that's how it is.
00:26:28So, as much as the employer needs to bring the applications
00:26:33and underwrite the applications,
00:26:35we would still need to prove your English language capacity
00:26:39as well as your experience-based claims
00:26:42as part of the nomination.
00:26:44Cool. And it's a 5.0 in IELTS, eh?
00:26:49No, no, it's actually a little bit lower.
00:26:514.5?
00:26:53Yeah, yeah. And look, it's functional English.
00:26:56So, for a 407, regardless of the stream,
00:26:59there's a functional English requirement.
00:27:01So, functional English, it depends on the type of test,
00:27:05but it's an average of 4.5.
00:27:09If everyone is kind of like studying here
00:27:12or intending to study or whatever it is,
00:27:15one of the really good things
00:27:16with a functional English requirement to meet
00:27:20is that we can actually meet it through studying in Australia.
00:27:24So, if, for example,
00:27:25we've studied in Australia for 12 months leading to an award,
00:27:30we can actually use those studies
00:27:32as a way of meeting that requirement as well.
00:27:35So, depending on your situation,
00:27:37it might be the case
00:27:38that you don't need to be English language tested at all.
00:27:41But, like, one of the really attractive things
00:27:44in terms of why people do a 407
00:27:47sometimes is that if you're struggling a little bit
00:27:49in terms of getting to that English language outcome,
00:27:52which is higher on the 402, which is that 5, Bella,
00:27:56in an IELTS test,
00:27:57people will look at a functional English requirement on a 407
00:28:01as an easier way for them to be able to stay and work.
00:28:05Yeah.
00:28:06So, say if someone undertakes a Certificate III,
00:28:11that can be taken into consideration for the visa?
00:28:14Yeah.
00:28:15And also, like, if someone has been educated in English...
00:28:21In an English-speaking country, yeah.
00:28:23Yeah, yeah.
00:28:24In a primary and secondary setting
00:28:27or exclusively a secondary setting
00:28:30for around the five-year mark,
00:28:32we can use that experience as well
00:28:35or, you know, that sort of education
00:28:37as a way of meeting the requirements.
00:28:39So, look, it's much more flexible, much more broad.
00:28:42If anyone is a little bit stressed and anxious
00:28:45around meeting that requirement,
00:28:47there's other ways to skin the cat.
00:28:50I'm not sure what the phrase,
00:28:52the equivalent phrase in Spanish is,
00:28:54but there's different ways of meeting it,
00:28:56is, I guess, what I'm trying to say.
00:28:58Yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:28:59I'll just explain in Spanish.
00:29:01Entonces, no se preocupen los que van preguntando,
00:29:04yo después voy a leer las preguntas y les voy a decir,
00:29:06así que tranquilos,
00:29:07los que se le vayan ocurriendo cosas y quieran preguntar,
00:29:10vayan poniendo la barra de mensajes.
00:29:12Otra cosa positiva de esta visa es el tema del inglés.
00:29:16El nivel es bastante bajo,
00:29:17es un inglés funcionado,
00:29:19o sea, funcional, o sea, un 4.5 en el caso del IELTS,
00:29:23que es bastante bajo,
00:29:24y las personas que hayan hecho, por ejemplo,
00:29:26un certificado o algún curso en Australia
00:29:28puede también ser considerado
00:29:30en vez de tener que rendir el IELTS.
00:29:32Lo mismo con las personas que hayan, no sé,
00:29:34completado high school, por ejemplo,
00:29:35la secundaria en inglés, es lo mismo.
00:29:37Así que otra cosa positiva
00:29:39para los que no llegan a la 482 con el inglés
00:29:42es otra buena forma de poder acceder a esa visa
00:29:46y usar la 407 en principio
00:29:50para poder cumplir con el requisito de inglés
00:29:53para luego poder sacar la 482, por ejemplo.
00:29:57Sí.
00:29:59Sé que probablemente lo tienes organizado en tu cabeza
00:30:02cómo quieres hacerlo,
00:30:03pero ¿hay un límite de edad para la 407?
00:30:08Lo interesante de la 407
00:30:10es que hay un nivel de edad.
00:30:15So you must be above 18.
00:30:17Above 18, that's it.
00:30:18Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:19So it's not like other visas
00:30:21where we need to be below 45 or 55
00:30:25or whatever the case is.
00:30:27We need to be above 18.
00:30:29And if we're below 18,
00:30:32there can still be scope to proceed
00:30:34in certain circumstances.
00:30:35But I guess most people here would be post-18, I think.
00:30:39Yeah, yeah. Oh, excellent.
00:30:41Y otra cosa muy positiva
00:30:43es que no hay límite de edad.
00:30:45O sea, la edad es tener que ser mayor de 18.
00:30:48O sea, no hay un menor de.
00:30:51Así que es otra cosa bastante positiva
00:30:54para los que,
00:30:55sobre todo para los que se vienen
00:30:57en situación complicada hoy en día por la 485.
00:31:00Yeah.
00:31:01And what's interesting as well, Bale,
00:31:02if I can just add to it,
00:31:03because I guess, you know,
00:31:04your students are probably going to be thinking
00:31:06about what the future holds,
00:31:08possibly after a 407.
00:31:09So there's no age requirement on a 482 as well.
00:31:13Okay, so like we can get a 482 visa
00:31:16and we're not restricted
00:31:17in terms of how old we might be.
00:31:19So, you know, if one of the guys here was,
00:31:21you know, 37 or 40
00:31:23or lost out as a consequence of that 1st of July change,
00:31:27there's still that pathway
00:31:29because the 407 is not age-restricted.
00:31:32The 482 is not age-restricted.
00:31:34It's only the 186 that becomes.
00:31:37Then we have that 45,
00:31:39generally speaking, threshold to deal with
00:31:42for that type of arrangement.
00:31:43So if you're still below 45
00:31:44or there's a few years to go before you turn 45,
00:31:47there's still that pathway through a 407.
00:31:50So if you are over 45,
00:31:52you can still apply for the 482?
00:31:55Yeah, you can.
00:31:56And you can actually still,
00:31:58in certain circumstances,
00:32:00apply for a 186.
00:32:01So as much as the general rule of the 186
00:32:04is that you mustn't have turned 45
00:32:07at the time the application goes in,
00:32:10there are exceptions to that requirement as well.
00:32:13So, you know, if you're paid above a certain threshold,
00:32:16you can qualify for an age exemption.
00:32:19There's also occupation-specific exemptions.
00:32:23Oh, cool.
00:32:25I should say as well, sorry for jumping in,
00:32:28there is a two-year experience requirement
00:32:32at the moment on a 482 visa.
00:32:35So what's actually quite interesting
00:32:37is the government is reducing, apparently,
00:32:40that requirement down to 12 months
00:32:42and that's going to take effect in November.
00:32:45So I guess the thing would be
00:32:47if we were a little bit short at the moment
00:32:49in getting experience for a 482 visa,
00:32:53even if we were able to get, you know,
00:32:56a 12-month 407 or one for a little bit longer
00:33:00with the government reducing
00:33:02the 482 experience requirement down to 12 months,
00:33:05we think from November,
00:33:07like they've been really strong about signalling that,
00:33:10there is that pathway that we can move to.
00:33:12And, you know, the quicker we can get on to a 482, the better.
00:33:15Of course, yeah.
00:33:16Yeah, the quicker we can get those two years running
00:33:18so that we can then move to permanent residency on 186.
00:33:22So it is a fact, so is it like already
00:33:26for certain thing that in November
00:33:29it's going to be a one year or still?
00:33:34No, I mean...
00:33:35They believe that it will be,
00:33:37but it's still not certain, certain?
00:33:39Yeah, and look, you know, you're dealing with...
00:33:43You're dealing with legislators.
00:33:45Obviously, we have a federal election coming up.
00:33:48You know, immigration is always like a political issue,
00:33:52but I've heard it from different channels
00:33:54and I've heard it from specifically the peak body.
00:33:59It was part of, I think,
00:34:01the government's own budget announcement in May
00:34:04that this would be happening.
00:34:05So, I mean, I guess the metaphor is, Bella,
00:34:08that until we see the legislation having passed,
00:34:11we don't know for certain.
00:34:13Of course, yeah.
00:34:14But it's pretty strongly indicated that it will happen.
00:34:17Oh, I'll just explain that quickly.
00:34:19So, the important thing to know is that
00:34:23for 407, there's no age limit.
00:34:26For 482, it's not necessary,
00:34:30nothing happens if they're over 45.
00:34:33The big issue is for 186, which is the permanent one,
00:34:36that at the time it's applied,
00:34:37you can't be over 45.
00:34:39Now, there are exceptions.
00:34:42If they pay you more than the payment requirement,
00:34:48for certain occupations,
00:34:50there's an exception for the age for 186.
00:34:56But in principle, the good thing is that
00:34:58if you don't get to 482,
00:35:00you can use 407 as a way to get to 482.
00:35:06And in my case, for example,
00:35:07I have a lot of students over 45.
00:35:13It's very positive to know that they can
00:35:16still apply for 407 and 482.
00:35:19Yeah.
00:35:21I should say on top of that as well,
00:35:23just to confuse everyone completely.
00:35:27If you're being nominated for a 186 visa
00:35:31or possibly a 482 visa in a DAMA region,
00:35:35so that's a designated area migration agreement,
00:35:39the age requirement in many of those regions
00:35:43is actually 55 years in which
00:35:45to transition to permanent residency.
00:35:49For the 186?
00:35:51Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:52Oh, good, good.
00:35:53So if someone is over 45
00:35:55and doesn't qualify for an age exemption,
00:35:58there can still be hope for someone in that situation
00:36:01where we're able to access permanent residency
00:36:03up to 55 in a DAMA region.
00:36:06So that could be like Townsville.
00:36:08It could be somewhere in the West.
00:36:09It could be in South Australia.
00:36:11It depends on the region.
00:36:13Not every region is the same.
00:36:14And within the regions, it's occupation-specific
00:36:18as well as to what kind of concessions
00:36:20are available for people, you know.
00:36:22And it's up to 55?
00:36:25Yeah, generally, yeah.
00:36:26Up to 55.
00:36:28So if you're in a situation where you're over 45
00:36:32and you mightn't be paid enough
00:36:33in which to access an age exemption,
00:36:36it's always good to have a look
00:36:38at what sort of options might be open to you
00:36:41in a DAMA-based region,
00:36:42which is kind of like generally a regional area
00:36:44with a specific agreement with the government.
00:36:46Yeah, with the government, yeah.
00:36:47Yeah, yeah.
00:36:48And there's many of those and it's growing as well, you know.
00:36:50Good.
00:36:51Good.
00:37:22Yes, Richard, you go.
00:37:25Okay, perfect.
00:37:27So I just want to kind of circle back now,
00:37:28if it's okay, to the 407 process.
00:37:31So look, the important thing to note,
00:37:36like with the 407,
00:37:37is that we do need an employer,
00:37:38someone to train us in which to do this, okay?
00:37:41But from the employer's perspective,
00:37:43there is those two applications
00:37:45that I spoke to previously.
00:37:48I think I saw a question in the chat box
00:37:52with respect to the type of organizations
00:37:55that are able to become sponsors for 407 purposes.
00:37:59And the general rule is that we can use
00:38:05what's called an Australian organization.
00:38:07So it's pretty much, it could be a company,
00:38:10it could be an incorporated association.
00:38:13So it could be like, for example,
00:38:14a company that wasn't a business.
00:38:16The only thing it can't be is a sole trader.
00:38:19So it can be a partnership,
00:38:20it can be an incorporated association,
00:38:23it can be a company,
00:38:25but it can't be a sole trader
00:38:26in terms of someone becoming a sponsor
00:38:28for 407 purposes.
00:38:30Okay.
00:38:31With respect to who can sponsor you,
00:38:34there are also several options.
00:38:36It can be a company, a corporation.
00:38:38What it can't be is a sole trader.
00:38:41That is, a person who,
00:38:42those who tell you they work with ABN,
00:38:44who work independently,
00:38:45that person cannot sponsor you.
00:38:48But then the rest, there are several,
00:38:50it can be a company, it can be a corporation.
00:38:53Could it be a non-profit or just a multi?
00:38:55Yeah, no, it can be.
00:38:57I guess the thing to note about the sole trader
00:38:59as well is that like I've had cases before
00:39:01where people have come to me,
00:39:04you know, with an employer willing to support them
00:39:06and they were sole traders.
00:39:07But the easy thing to do
00:39:08is like if you're a sole trader,
00:39:09it's just a case of, you know,
00:39:11maybe setting up a business
00:39:12and then proceeding that way with it.
00:39:13Like setting up a proprietary company
00:39:16or changing the business structure
00:39:18into a partnership.
00:39:19So like, it's not that it's set in stone.
00:39:22We can change things
00:39:24in terms of structuring the business
00:39:26in a way that it can work, you know,
00:39:27but obviously someone would need,
00:39:29you know, taxation and commercial advice,
00:39:32stuff like that, you know.
00:39:33So to go back to that question
00:39:36with respect to a not-for-profit,
00:39:39so the answer is yes.
00:39:41Every business that applies to become a sponsor
00:39:44for the purpose of the 407,
00:39:46the requirements there aren't very much really.
00:39:49The business needs to have a good record
00:39:51in terms of compliance with state, territory,
00:39:54federal laws.
00:39:55It needs to be an Australian organization
00:39:58and it also needs to have the capacity financially
00:40:02in which to satisfy sponsorship obligations.
00:40:05So, you know, not-for-profits generally
00:40:08might not have as much capital
00:40:10as, say, commercial businesses,
00:40:11but my view would be
00:40:13that there would still be scope
00:40:14for a not-for-profit
00:40:15in which to be able to look at this.
00:40:17And is there like a minimum amount of money
00:40:19the company needs to have?
00:40:20No?
00:40:21No.
00:40:22Cool.
00:40:23And I should say as well,
00:40:24and you know,
00:40:25this is probably going to complicate things a bit further,
00:40:27we can actually use an overseas business
00:40:31as a way of accessing the 407 visa.
00:40:33So if, for example,
00:40:35and I know sometimes students in Australia
00:40:38will continue to work for an overseas employer remotely.
00:40:41So we can use an overseas business
00:40:45to sponsor for a 407 visa.
00:40:47Whereas someone was working at a professional
00:40:51or a managerial level within that business
00:40:53and the purposes of the occupational training
00:40:58was with a view to kind of
00:40:59a professional development program taking place.
00:41:01So we're not restricted to Australian businesses.
00:41:04We can use overseas businesses as well
00:41:06and a government agency can be a sponsor as well.
00:41:09But you need to be working,
00:41:11so for that overseas company,
00:41:13you need to be working for that company
00:41:16or for a company in Australia?
00:41:18Oh, no.
00:41:19So you could be,
00:41:20and look,
00:41:21I've come across plenty of cases
00:41:22where international students might be here
00:41:25and they're studying,
00:41:27but they're still working with an overseas business
00:41:30at nighttime and things like that.
00:41:32And that's completely fine.
00:41:34So if, for example,
00:41:35that person was working at a professional
00:41:37or a managerial level,
00:41:39it can be the case that the overseas business
00:41:42applies to become a sponsor
00:41:44and seeks then to sponsor that person
00:41:46to do a professional development program in Australia.
00:41:49So, you know.
00:41:50Oh, my gosh.
00:41:51That's so confusing and strange.
00:41:53Sorry.
00:41:54We'll have to do a different chapter.
00:41:56Yeah, I know, I know.
00:41:58Yeah, I know.
00:41:59Sorry.
00:42:00Yeah, it's good to know.
00:42:02I'll explain it.
00:42:03But yeah, that's pretty confusing, I guess.
00:42:07But yeah, I'll just explain
00:42:11and then if they want more information,
00:42:13they have to talk to you.
00:42:14If it's too confusing, just leave it.
00:42:16But I'm just trying to make a point.
00:42:17No, no, no.
00:42:18I think it's pretty good.
00:42:19I think it's pretty good.
00:42:20A lot of people will be interested.
00:42:22But I wonder how it will work
00:42:25because they'll still be here in Australia.
00:42:28But I guess we'll have to do a different,
00:42:30like to be continued, to be continued.
00:42:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:33It's always the way.
00:42:34This is a to be continued situation.
00:43:00Yeah.
00:43:01Yeah.
00:43:02Yeah.
00:43:03Yeah.
00:43:04Yeah.
00:43:05Yeah.
00:43:06Yeah.
00:43:07Yeah.
00:43:08Yeah.
00:43:09Yeah.
00:43:10Yeah.
00:43:11Yeah.
00:43:12Yeah.
00:43:13Yeah.
00:43:14Yeah.
00:43:15Yeah.
00:43:16Yeah.
00:43:17Yeah.
00:43:18Yeah.
00:43:19Yeah.
00:43:20Yeah.
00:43:21Yeah.
00:43:22Yeah.
00:43:23Yeah.
00:43:24Yeah.
00:43:25Yeah.
00:43:26Yeah.
00:43:27Yeah.
00:43:29Yeah.
00:43:30Yeah.
00:43:31Yeah.
00:43:32Yeah.
00:43:33Yeah.
00:43:34Yeah.
00:43:35And just one thing, again, to complicate things even further,
00:43:38you can actually do a 407, where,
00:43:39for example, say a student in a university in Buenos Aires
00:43:44was looking to come and do a six-month placement here.
00:43:47So we can actually come to Australia on a 407 visa as well
00:43:50in which to do that.
00:43:51But that's, again, let's do that next time, do you know what I mean?
00:43:53Mm-hmm.
00:43:54Might as well.
00:43:55Yeah.
00:43:56Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:57So look, I guess I'm just conscious of the time.
00:44:01The main thing, really, that I want to get across,
00:44:03apart from getting a sponsor and all that sort of stuff,
00:44:07is that if we get a 407 visa, there's
00:44:12a couple of things to be aware of it
00:44:14in terms of the conditions that will apply to that visa.
00:44:17And it's really, really important to understand these.
00:44:19So the primary visa holder, so whoever
00:44:22that's going to be in a family situation,
00:44:25they are able to work on a full-time basis,
00:44:27undertaking the training activity.
00:44:29They can't work with anyone else.
00:44:31So it's pretty much like a 482 visa in that respect.
00:44:35Any secondary members of family unit
00:44:38that get this particular visa are
00:44:40restricted to the same conditions that
00:44:43apply to a student visa.
00:44:46So essentially, we're a couple back
00:44:48to that sort of part-time capacity to work.
00:44:50So that's obviously going to be a financial consideration
00:44:53for people.
00:44:54But it's also a much better situation
00:44:56to be in than a student visa in terms
00:44:58of ours being restricted, you know?
00:45:00Cool, cool.
00:45:01Entonces, la persona que tenga la 407,
00:45:04el aplicante principal, puede trabajar full-time solamente
00:45:06para ese empleador.
00:45:07La pareja, o sea, sí, la pareja va
00:45:11a poder trabajar solamente part-time como una visa
00:45:13de estudiantes.
00:45:15Yeah, you go.
00:45:18I also want to talk about salary as well, OK?
00:45:20So like, salary is really important.
00:45:22Like, we all live in Australia.
00:45:23Australia is an expensive country.
00:45:26So with a 407 visa, it's a little bit unusual in the sense
00:45:30that, unlike other visas, and particularly the 482 visa,
00:45:35there's not a requirement in terms
00:45:37of someone being remunerated.
00:45:39But generally speaking, someone must be paid at or above
00:45:43whatever the particular ward's level of pay
00:45:46would be for the specific occupation.
00:45:50So what's interesting about that and why
00:45:53a lot of employers like it is that for a 482 visa,
00:45:57there's generally a salary threshold of 73,150 per annum
00:46:01by way of earnings, whereas for the 407 visa, it can be less.
00:46:06OK, so it is less but above the award?
00:46:11Yeah, so we have to be paid, yeah.
00:46:13And look, there can be cases where
00:46:16we do an internship without pay.
00:46:18But obviously, everyone wants to be paid.
00:46:22And we can't have a situation where you wouldn't be paid,
00:46:26where legally speaking, the requirement would be
00:46:28that they would be paid.
00:46:29There is a separate requirement in the visa, Bella,
00:46:32that someone has the capacity to support themselves
00:46:35when they were here.
00:46:36So it's important that they would be paid
00:46:37at least at the award, generally speaking.
00:46:39OK.
00:46:40Most employers will do that anyway.
00:46:42So like, there's...
00:46:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:44But also, that's another good one.
00:46:46If your employer doesn't pay you over the 73,000 threshold,
00:46:51Yeah, yeah.
00:46:52it's good that with this one, it doesn't need to be.
00:46:54So I guess that's the most important thing to say.
00:46:57Yeah, and look, what's really important,
00:46:59I had a case last week, 407, where the employer
00:47:04just wasn't in a position commercially
00:47:07in which to come up and pay salary at the 73, 150 mark.
00:47:13It's important to say that like,
00:47:15the 407 visa is not a visa for labour specifically
00:47:19or a visa to get around the salary requirements.
00:47:21It's for a training experience.
00:47:23However, they were able to look at the 407
00:47:26because the salary that they were proposing to pay
00:47:28was below that.
00:47:31But they were still really happy to do it
00:47:33and it actually got them across the line
00:47:35in terms of being able to proceed because of that reason.
00:47:38Good, good.
00:47:39OK, yeah.
00:47:40Perfect, I'll just explain that.
00:47:42So, another thing that a lot of people
00:47:47can't get out of the 482 is because of the salary
00:47:50that they have to be paying you, more than 73,000,
00:47:5473,000, yes, 1000, I didn't know, per year.
00:48:00So with the 407 it can be less than that,
00:48:03but for those who are in Australia,
00:48:05they know that here in Australia,
00:48:07each occupation has what they call the award,
00:48:09that is, the salary that that occupation,
00:48:11that they have to pay, like they shouldn't pay you less
00:48:14than what you pay for that occupation.
00:48:17So for the 407, they have to pay you at least the award
00:48:20or a little more.
00:48:22But if you don't get to the, it doesn't matter
00:48:24if it's less than 73,000 that they ask you for the 482.
00:48:28So that's another important thing as well,
00:48:30on the subject of the salary,
00:48:31which for many people is also difficult
00:48:34when it comes to getting the 482
00:48:36because they don't have the corresponding salary.
00:48:40Yes, you go, Richard.
00:48:42Perfect.
00:48:44So on top of that, like similar to the 482 visa,
00:48:48there is a requirement for people
00:48:48to hold health insurance as well.
00:48:50So obviously that would be a consideration,
00:48:52but we can get that pretty competitively
00:48:55in terms of what it would cost a single person
00:48:58or a family in which to achieve it,
00:48:59but it is a consideration.
00:49:00It will be definitely cheaper
00:49:02than the cost for a student visa.
00:49:05Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:49:05And look, the great thing about a 407
00:49:07is that there's a pathway from it
00:49:11to a longer term capacity to stay.
00:49:14It gives us the ability to earn more money
00:49:18rather than being restricted both ways
00:49:20in terms of work on a student visa.
00:49:23So it's really attractive, I think, in that respect.
00:49:27But obviously it's still not perfect,
00:49:30but within a few years,
00:49:31hopefully then we might be able to move to something else.
00:49:35There's just probably a few other things
00:49:37I want to say about it.
00:49:39For a 407 visa,
00:49:44certain people are restricted
00:49:47in terms of their capacity
00:49:48to apply for that visa in Australia,
00:49:50but I'm very happy to say that it's not like
00:49:54the recent changes that occurred
00:49:55with respect to student visas and things like that.
00:49:57So it's generally for quite obscure visas.
00:50:00A student visa is definitely not a visa
00:50:03that's affected by that.
00:50:04And I'm not saying anyone ever should or is in the situation,
00:50:10but we can actually apply for a 407 visa
00:50:13sometimes within 28 days of the visa expiring as well.
00:50:16So it's much more flexible,
00:50:18but there's a few visas that were prevented
00:50:22from making that application from in Australia as such.
00:50:26All right, but the important thing is that
00:50:28if you hold a student visa,
00:50:31which is the case of most people, you can call.
00:50:34Yeah, and the thing is, look, yeah,
00:50:35I mean, we wouldn't be having this conversation
00:50:38as we could do a 407,
00:50:40but the principal intention from a policy point of view
00:50:43is for people to have a quality training experience.
00:50:47And having a quality training experience
00:50:49after doing some great studies here
00:50:50is really congruent with the intention of the visa.
00:50:54So 500 visas, absolutely fine.
00:50:56Cool, cool.
00:50:57And working holiday visas as well.
00:50:59Yeah, absolutely.
00:51:00So 417s, whatever it is, you know, totally fine.
00:51:04It's just, there's a few kind of like
00:51:06diplomatic and special purpose visas and stuff.
00:51:09You know, there's probably only a few hundred people
00:51:11in the country with those, you know,
00:51:12so no one here, I'm assuming, you know.
00:51:14Cool.
00:51:15Yeah.
00:51:31Yes, Richard.
00:51:33Perfect.
00:51:34So I'm just looking at my notes here.
00:51:34The only other thing I really want to say about it is
00:51:38if you were looking at,
00:51:40from an English language perspective,
00:51:41so if we weren't doing IELTS,
00:51:44for a TOEFL arrangement,
00:51:46it's 32 is a functional English requirement.
00:51:50PTE is 30, and Cambridge is 147.
00:51:53But obviously, we might need to do a test.
00:51:55We might be able to meet the requirements
00:51:57through the studies that you've already done.
00:51:59So that could be.
00:52:00Cool, cool.
00:52:01Awesome.
00:52:01Just a quick one before,
00:52:03I don't know if you've got any other thing
00:52:06that you want to say,
00:52:07and then I'll just tell you the questions,
00:52:08but before we move on
00:52:11to another thing,
00:52:13obviously, it is the case with a lot of people as well.
00:52:16Those that hold the 485 visa
00:52:20and cannot transition to the 482.
00:52:25So can you go from a 485,
00:52:27because supposedly you are, during that time,
00:52:30doing the work experience.
00:52:32So if you are on a 485,
00:52:35can you transition to a 407?
00:52:39I think so.
00:52:40I'd have to check it.
00:52:42But I can give you that information.
00:52:43Okay, cool.
00:52:44Yeah.
00:52:45Perfect, perfect.
00:52:46No worries.
00:52:47Okay, you go.
00:52:48Okay.
00:52:50So yeah, I mean, I think, look,
00:52:52that's probably it.
00:52:53That's probably the most important, yeah, definitely.
00:52:55Yeah, I can get much more granular about it,
00:52:58but I think for the present purposes,
00:53:02that's enough for everyone to know.
00:53:03I think it's a visa that can give you
00:53:06longer term capacities to stay here.
00:53:10It's, if you've got an issue with age,
00:53:13it's not an issue.
00:53:15If it's an issue with an employer paying a certain salary,
00:53:17it can be used as a workaround for that.
00:53:20English is the same.
00:53:21It's quite flexible.
00:53:22And we can get some really good outcomes on it.
00:53:25So I think, you know, if you're in that situation,
00:53:27probably just good to get some advice on it, really,
00:53:29I think, you know.
00:53:32Cool, cool.
00:53:33Yeah, so obviously, I'll tell you,
00:53:36obviously, a lot of people are asking for your information.
00:53:39So I will give them your email.
00:53:42I'll write it in a minute.
00:53:43Or maybe Lisa, if she's still online,
00:53:45if she can, if she wants to write down your email address.
00:53:50But maybe I'll just tell you a few questions
00:53:54before we open it up.
00:53:57Okay, so Mariela, all good.
00:53:59We already answered what she asked,
00:54:01if all occupations apply.
00:54:03Mariela just got a 482 granted in Western Australia.
00:54:08An amazing, amazing student of mine.
00:54:12No longer a student, but yeah, she did it.
00:54:13So I'm very happy for her.
00:54:15So yeah, so you already answered that.
00:54:19Oh, Vicky.
00:54:19So Vicky works for a university,
00:54:22a very important university.
00:54:26That's, it's a non-profit.
00:54:28And she's a chef.
00:54:30So I guess it can be used as employers in the same at 42.
00:54:34If you have more than two years.
00:54:36Oh yes, she wanted to know if she's got more,
00:54:40because obviously she studied here to be a chef.
00:54:42She applied for the 485.
00:54:44She got it granted.
00:54:46She now applied for the expression of interest
00:54:49in Queensland.
00:54:51She's a chef.
00:54:52She hasn't been nominated and her visa expires in November.
00:54:56So obviously she does have quite a lot of experience.
00:55:00Would you, would she be conditioned to apply for the 407
00:55:03or it's too much experience that she has?
00:55:07Yeah.
00:55:09So did you express interest for,
00:55:12was it a 491 or a 190 or something like that?
00:55:15Was it?
00:55:17Vicky?
00:55:18All of them, Vicky.
00:55:19Okay.
00:55:21That's good.
00:55:22That's good.
00:55:23Well, look.
00:55:25Yeah, I probably don't want to share
00:55:29what your points claim is.
00:55:32Yeah.
00:55:33So I'm on a hundred points for 491 and 90 points for 190.
00:55:37The thing is that Queensland at the moment
00:55:39has just offered only 1200 visas.
00:55:43So, and we, our visa finishes in November
00:55:45and so far we haven't been nominated.
00:55:48So we are just like trying to find our options
00:55:52before having to leave the country pretty much.
00:55:54Yeah.
00:55:55Yeah.
00:55:56Yeah.
00:55:57And look, I mean, it's hard for me to provide advice
00:55:59just on the basis of that information.
00:56:02It's just that there's a lot of variables to it
00:56:04in terms of, you know, whether you could do it.
00:56:07I mean, I think the thing is we can do a 407 visa
00:56:12for a whole range of different circumstances.
00:56:14It doesn't necessarily just mean that it's for someone
00:56:17that's sort of fresh out of an educational experience.
00:56:20It might be someone that's more senior
00:56:22that's looking to enhance their skills.
00:56:24The thing with a 407 is that
00:56:27it needs to be specifically curated based on what you need.
00:56:30So if there was a specific pitch that we could make
00:56:33that it would be a value to you
00:56:35from a longer term perspective to be maybe, you know,
00:56:37trained and mentored, you know, by someone in the team
00:56:40there like that might be something which could fly.
00:56:43But what I would suggest to you,
00:56:44I mean, if you want to just reach out to me
00:56:46and I can talk to you offline about it.
00:56:49And I think, you know, the great hope is
00:56:53that there's still time in which to get an invitation.
00:56:56And obviously if you can achieve those outcomes,
00:57:01those would be, you know, great for you to pursue
00:57:03rather than a 407, but obviously
00:57:05there's still time to do a 407, you know.
00:57:08So I think fingers crossed, but.
00:57:11Yeah.
00:57:12Yeah, I'll give her your contact information
00:57:16because she did ask.
00:57:17And if anybody.
00:57:18Yeah, thank you.
00:57:19It's not that I'm sitting on the fence with it.
00:57:22It's just like, obviously there's so many different
00:57:25variables with that situation.
00:57:27So if you get it, I'd be more than happy
00:57:28to provide you with some guidance.
00:57:30Awesome, thank you so much.
00:57:32Yeah, so if Lisa is not online at the moment,
00:57:35Agus, could you send her the email from Richard,
00:57:38that you have it?
00:57:39Because if I don't have to go to my email,
00:57:41if you can send it to her,
00:57:43or anyone who has Richard's email,
00:57:44because if I don't have to go to my email,
00:57:46it will be seen from my live.
00:57:50Okay, so I'll continue.
00:57:51So we already talked with the Christian questions.
00:57:55We already talked about the age limit.
00:57:56As you get no problem at all.
00:57:58And that's a good question for Christian,
00:58:01that Christian asked.
00:58:03In regards to the work experience,
00:58:08is it possible to have like work experience,
00:58:11you know, that you comply with the 12 months
00:58:14work experience from overseas,
00:58:16or it has to be Australia?
00:58:19No, no, it can be anywhere.
00:58:21Okay, cool, cool, cool.
00:58:23Yeah, the thing though is that,
00:58:27like when I've experienced that issue,
00:58:28and it's a great question, thank you,
00:58:30is that a lot of people have been here studying for a while.
00:58:35And because there's quite a narrow retrospective horizon
00:58:39that we have to meet the experience requirement,
00:58:41and which is two years before the application goes in.
00:58:44We might, if we've been studying here
00:58:46for more than two years,
00:58:47we won't be able to claim any of that previous experience.
00:58:49Oh, Christian just got here.
00:58:52I just, I got the visas a few, couple months ago.
00:58:55So he's currently studying.
00:58:56So yeah, they just got here.
00:58:57So that's pretty good.
00:58:58Good, good, good.
00:58:59Okay, and the thing with Christian is,
00:59:02I'm sorry to focus on you, Christian,
00:59:03but it would be important to understand
00:59:07what your capacity to bring this application would be,
00:59:10because the longer that you stay here,
00:59:14the more sort of time that might pass then
00:59:16where you're going to be able to lose that capacity
00:59:18to claim that experience.
00:59:20So you just kind of need to weigh up,
00:59:23is this something that you need to proceed with
00:59:26sooner rather than later?
00:59:27And again, if you just get in touch with me,
00:59:28I can give you some comments on that.
00:59:29Yeah, good.
00:59:31So Chris, it can be a foreign experience,
00:59:35but as one of the requirements for the visa
00:59:37is that it has to be experience in the last two years,
00:59:39what Richard says,
00:59:40that obviously the people who have been here for a long time
00:59:43are losing that time,
00:59:44as if that experience is not going to work.
00:59:46So the faster it can be applied, the better.
00:59:50But yes, it is possible.
00:59:52The important thing is that it is possible.
00:59:54With respect to the cost of the visa,
00:59:55including the insurance cost of the visa,
00:59:56the cost of service due to the process,
00:59:58oh, Emmanuel, I think it's going to be very detailed.
01:00:02So Emmanuel wants to know,
01:00:04sort of like to have an idea of the cost
01:00:07that it will involve,
01:00:09like an estimate of what the cost will be.
01:00:12Obviously, Emmanuel is here with his partner
01:00:15and son, and I said that it's pretty specific,
01:00:20but have you got in hand the cost of the visa
01:00:23by any chance?
01:00:24Yeah.
01:00:25So obviously with a 407, it's a three-stage process.
01:00:30So two of those applications,
01:00:33the costs of those applications
01:00:35have to be borne by the employer.
01:00:37So they can't force you to pay for those fees.
01:00:40They can't recover those fees from you subsequently.
01:00:43So that's the first thing to understand.
01:00:48With respect to a visa,
01:00:52the visa side of things is perhaps the least complicated
01:00:56of the whole process for a 407.
01:00:58So the 407 process is like,
01:01:00your experience is not assessed at that stage.
01:01:03It's more around sort of,
01:01:05whether you're a genuine applicant for temporary stay
01:01:07and all that sort of stuff.
01:01:09The visa application charges,
01:01:12I'm just trying to read my writing here,
01:01:13but I think it's around $415 per applicant over 18,
01:01:18and $105 in terms of government charge for that.
01:01:23So it's pretty cheap.
01:01:24It's pretty, it's significantly cheaper than a 402.
01:01:28With a 402 visa, employers have to pay a training levy,
01:01:34which depending on the length of the visa to be granted
01:01:36can be really, really significant.
01:01:40And it's often quite a disincentive
01:01:42for employers to proceed because of it.
01:01:44For a 407 visa, there's none of that.
01:01:46So it's quite cheap from a government fees point of view.
01:01:48In terms of professional fees, it kind of depends,
01:01:53and I'm sorry if that sounds like I'm sitting on a fence.
01:01:55It depends on the situation and the complexity
01:01:57of the overall matter and what stream we're proceeding with.
01:02:00So, and you're gonna love me for saying this,
01:02:03but every case is different.
01:02:05So if you want to get in touch with me,
01:02:06I can give you sort of a quote online
01:02:09as to what those fees would be.
01:02:11Well, yeah, because I did, Emmanuel, he was my student,
01:02:14and then he applied for the 408 visa.
01:02:17And I did say that it's,
01:02:19instead of coming back to the student,
01:02:22I would suggest him trying to go for the 407
01:02:25because obviously we know that immigration's been a bit of a,
01:02:29you know, what they are with people
01:02:32coming from the 408 visa.
01:02:33So, yeah, but yeah, I guess it's best
01:02:37if he gets in touch with you.
01:02:38Emmanuel.
01:03:09Okay, so Carolina, it's, I think this is a bit of,
01:03:17more of a tricky situation because I guess she'll need
01:03:21to have the skill assessment and all that.
01:03:24Carolina, she's a teacher.
01:03:26Yeah.
01:03:27And obviously she has eight years of work experience.
01:03:32So can, could she apply for the 407?
01:03:37I mean.
01:03:37Yeah, so Carolina's situation might be interesting
01:03:43in the sense that depending on where you're at
01:03:47concerning getting your skills assessed and recognised.
01:03:50So with a lot of people, for example,
01:03:53if you've made an application,
01:03:54like say in the case of a doctor,
01:03:56just use that as an example.
01:03:58And, you know, APRA or whatever,
01:04:00the relevant medical board comes back and says,
01:04:02well, we require you to do six months
01:04:05of supervised practice before we give you a registration.
01:04:10Well, we can actually use the 407 visa for that.
01:04:12And if we can use the 407 visa on that basis,
01:04:16we don't actually have to meet the experience requirement
01:04:18because that's in a different stream.
01:04:20So depending on where you're at with respect
01:04:25to getting your skills assessed as a teacher,
01:04:27if they were to come back and say to you,
01:04:30that you are,
01:04:30you have skills and experience,
01:04:32but we require you to do a year in a school,
01:04:35the 407 visa would be perfect for that.
01:04:37Okay.
01:04:39That's exactly what it's designed to do
01:04:41in that first stream.
01:04:42And actually that's a lot easier from your perspective
01:04:45if we can go that way with it,
01:04:46because we don't have to meet,
01:04:48we don't have to provide a training plan.
01:04:50We don't have to provide any sort of experience
01:04:55in terms of proving that we have 12 months
01:04:57in the last two years.
01:04:58So it's a little bit easier if we can do it that way,
01:05:00but it kind of depends.
01:05:02And it would also apply, say, if she,
01:05:05because obviously she's a teacher,
01:05:06like a primary school teacher,
01:05:07but if she got a job in a childcare center,
01:05:11she wouldn't have that kind of experience.
01:05:14So maybe would it apply in that respect?
01:05:17It would depend.
01:05:18So, you know, I'd have to check
01:05:20whether this occupation is on the 407 list.
01:05:22So if, for example, we got that sort of opportunity
01:05:27as an early childhood teacher,
01:05:31so there might be scope to proceed on that basis with that.
01:05:34But I think we would probably have to go on the basis
01:05:37of occupational training to enhance skills
01:05:41with something like that.
01:05:42But I kind of need to know more about it
01:05:44before I could give specific advice.
01:05:46It's just-
01:05:47Yes, of course, yeah, yeah.
01:05:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:48But I guess the thing to understand,
01:05:51if we have an occupation that requires,
01:05:54I don't know, professional membership,
01:05:57licensing or registration,
01:06:00it's actually like an easier way for us
01:06:02to get to a 407 visa,
01:06:04where we can, if we need time and experience
01:06:06to get registered and to be able to work,
01:06:09the 407 visa is designed to allow us to do that.
01:06:12And that's actually a really good situation to be in.
01:06:14So I'd suggest maybe just get in touch with me
01:06:16and it's Carolina, isn't it?
01:06:20We can see exactly how you might be able to go about it,
01:06:24you know?
01:06:24Cool.
01:06:25Sí, Caro, sos Caro, mi estudiante, no?
01:06:29The city?
01:06:30Hi, Bella, I am Carolina Garmendia.
01:06:33Sí, sí, me imagine que es vos.
01:06:34Yeah.
01:06:35The issue is that I am studying individual support,
01:06:38but I'm not sure.
01:06:41But I continue with a company in Argentina,
01:06:44one of the schools.
01:06:45I am with the company now.
01:06:50This is, I have 44 years old.
01:06:54I am in Sydney that I think maybe I need to move
01:06:56to another place.
01:06:59So I am thinking if I had possibility,
01:07:02because I am a special teacher,
01:07:04you know, a room teacher or, you know, a teacher.
01:07:09Yeah.
01:07:10Yeah, I think, yeah, I think Caro should definitely
01:07:14contact you and, cause I think her case is a little bit
01:07:18tricky.
01:07:19Yeah, yeah.
01:07:20I know, yes.
01:07:21Carolina, is that like the fact that you're 44
01:07:25is not an impediment to a 407.
01:07:28It's definitely not an impediment to a 482.
01:07:31And, you know, there may be options for you,
01:07:36but like by the time you turn 45, obviously it'll take,
01:07:39it'll take at least two years to get to that point.
01:07:42So it might be the case that we're able to give you advice
01:07:46that if you move and work in this specific area,
01:07:49there's going to be that pathway for you to still get
01:07:52permanent residency.
01:07:54So, yeah, I think just get in touch as Bella said,
01:07:56that's probably the best advice, you know.
01:07:59Yeah, yeah.
01:07:59Big time.
01:08:00Okay, thank you.
01:08:01Great.
01:08:02Yeah.
01:08:03Okay.
01:08:04So, yeah, so I guess I was Tina's question.
01:08:07You already answered it.
01:08:08You need to have a company sponsoring your visa.
01:08:12Yeah.
01:08:13That's a hundred percent.
01:08:15Need it.
01:08:16Yeah.
01:08:17It needs to be, yeah.
01:08:19So unless we have that,
01:08:21it can be an Australian organization.
01:08:24It can be an overseas organization.
01:08:26It can be a foreign or Australian government organization
01:08:30or agency as well.
01:08:31So that's generally what we need.
01:08:33So, yeah.
01:08:34Good, good.
01:08:37I can't apply and I'm going to get a diploma
01:08:40and keep working part-time on that.
01:08:43Abus, do you want,
01:08:45I don't know if you have any other questions.
01:08:47I don't understand your question.
01:08:50Abus?
01:08:53Hello.
01:08:54No, no.
01:08:55Because...
01:08:56If you want to ask Richard directly.
01:08:59Oh, okay.
01:09:00Let me see.
01:09:01I can't remember.
01:09:04Yeah, well, no, it's, no, it's canceled.
01:09:08My question is canceled
01:09:09because if you really need someone to sponsor you,
01:09:12my question was,
01:09:12if I apply to study my certificate,
01:09:17after my certificate for like another diploma
01:09:21and while I'm studying,
01:09:24while I'm working part-time,
01:09:26if I can apply like just by myself,
01:09:29but no, I need a company to sponsor me for that.
01:09:31So it's overall.
01:09:34Thank you, Richard.
01:09:35Absolutely.
01:09:36And look, what I can say on top of that, Agostina,
01:09:39is that there are more changes coming
01:09:43from a visa perspective
01:09:45in relation to the particular sector that you're in.
01:09:50And we're kind of at the cusp,
01:09:52hopefully within the next three months of seeing those.
01:09:57We're also anticipating that they will introduce
01:10:00a capacity for people to get a 482 visa
01:10:04and much more easily in those sectors as well.
01:10:07So I think, you know,
01:10:07as much as we're talking at the moment,
01:10:10I think the real way to look at it
01:10:12is what happens in the next three to six months.
01:10:14And hopefully there'll be some really interesting changes
01:10:16that are valued to you during that time.
01:10:18Yeah.
01:10:19And just another quick question, I remember.
01:10:22Is it possible we,
01:10:24can we change the employer
01:10:26or if I'm nominated from this company,
01:10:28can I change while I'm working with them
01:10:31during those two years, let's say two years?
01:10:34Well, you can.
01:10:37So basically you have to,
01:10:40you have to stay with the same employer
01:10:43that nominated you for the purposes of the 407.
01:10:46So like a 482 visa, you can change,
01:10:48but the new employer then needs
01:10:50to make a similar application to bring you across
01:10:53and sort of continue or proceed
01:10:54with the training exercise with them.
01:10:57Okay, I see.
01:10:59If you get a 407 visa or when you get a 407 visa,
01:11:03there's a condition on that visa that restricts you
01:11:05in terms of as the primary applicant,
01:11:08solely working with that person
01:11:10that sponsored or nominated you.
01:11:12So to change it, you'll need to get someone
01:11:14willing to bring a new application for you.
01:11:19Okay, I see.
01:11:20Thank you, Richard.
01:11:21Great, pleasure.
01:11:22Good, I think just the last ones,
01:11:24we already talk about the,
01:11:26for the cost of the visas, we already talked about that.
01:11:30Santiago Molina, if you applied for the 482,
01:11:34obviously you already did it with an agent,
01:11:35I would have to have explained all of that to you.
01:11:38Definitely, you can work full-time.
01:11:40And if you mentioned your girlfriend on the visa,
01:11:42you should be able to include her without any problem.
01:11:47Mechanical engineer studying a master's coursework,
01:11:5177, I have a current positive,
01:11:53yeah, eight years of my English.
01:11:56I don't know, Sofia, what exact question
01:11:58do you have based on your profile,
01:11:59in addition to the costs?
01:12:04Hello.
01:12:05I don't know if you answered.
01:12:07Yeah, we're here, we're a couple from Mexico
01:12:09and my husband, he's a mechanical engineer.
01:12:12He has a positive skill assessment
01:12:13with Engineers Australia at this time,
01:12:17but we are 36 and 37 years old.
01:12:20He has a eight year experience
01:12:23approved by Engineers Australia.
01:12:26Advanced English.
01:12:28So we just wanted to know if this visa could be for him
01:12:31as the main applicant and for me as the secondary.
01:12:35Yeah, it could be, Sofia,
01:12:37but I guess I would be asking the question
01:12:40about what other options you might have as well
01:12:42based on that factual that you just explained.
01:12:46Yeah.
01:12:49Yeah, I think it will be better to talk to you directly.
01:12:52Yeah, I'm really happy to discuss it,
01:12:54but maybe just not in front of the group,
01:12:56like in the sense that it could be the case
01:12:59that you have lots of other options as well
01:13:01based on that circumstance.
01:13:03But the short answer is yes.
01:13:08You can look at a 407 visa
01:13:10in lots of different circumstances
01:13:11for people who are relatively junior
01:13:14and for more senior people as well.
01:13:17But obviously if you've got options,
01:13:19it's just important that we look at
01:13:21what's the best option for you guys longer term.
01:13:23So if you wanna get in touch,
01:13:26I'm more than happy to sort of provide you
01:13:27with some guidance in relation to a 407,
01:13:30but also what else you might be able to look at.
01:13:33Yeah, perfect, thank you very much.
01:13:35Yeah, so I'll ask a second question
01:13:37and it's there on the chat.
01:13:38I don't have any skill assessment yet here in Australia,
01:13:41but I'm willing to get it.
01:13:43And do I need a skill assessment
01:13:46to apply for the 407 visa
01:13:49or I just need an employer who's willing to assist me?
01:13:51Yeah, you don't need a skills assessment for a 407.
01:13:56Oh, perfect, thank you.
01:13:57Yeah, yeah.
01:13:58And the whole point of this visa, Sophia,
01:14:00is to allow you to get to a point
01:14:03where you get more experience
01:14:06or you have a quality training experience
01:14:08as a consequence of getting this visa.
01:14:11It can be the case, but it's incidental to the programme
01:14:14that we do get a qualification out of it.
01:14:15So sometimes when I've done these,
01:14:18people actually get a certificate three or four
01:14:22or whatever it is as a result of doing the 407 training,
01:14:25but we don't have to get a qualification
01:14:27as a result of it.
01:14:29Perfect, thank you very much.
01:14:31Yeah, I think most questions now are very specific
01:14:35or you already answer.
01:14:37So I'll just remind them what your email address is.
01:14:43Well, most of the questions,
01:14:44I think Richard has answered absolutely everything.
01:14:47There's Richard's email, info.richardthimpson.
01:14:51It's all there and his Instagram too.
01:14:53So I recommend that you contact Richard directly
01:14:58to talk about each specific case.
01:15:00I think he gave a lot of information
01:15:03about the most important things
01:15:04that had to be taken into account for this visa.
01:15:08Now you have to talk to your employers.
01:15:11So I'm going to leave the video recorded
01:15:16so that you can listen again
01:15:19and anything can be connected with Richard.
01:15:21Yeah, Richard, it got saved into my Instagram.
01:15:25I'll save it and upload it into Dailymotion
01:15:29and then I will forward it to you.
01:15:31And yeah, you gave way too much information,
01:15:34the more important facts to take into consideration.
01:15:41People will just need to now speak with employers.
01:15:45Yeah, I took it so well.
01:16:15It's a 50 cent train from the Gold Coast.
01:16:37Yeah, that's true, that's true, that's right actually.
01:16:45I will tell everybody.
01:16:47I will tell them on the group as well.
01:16:50Just one last one.
01:16:51Richard, sorry.
01:16:53Yeah, yeah.
01:16:54They're one of my favorite people.
01:16:56One of my favorite students.
01:16:58So, Jime.
01:17:00I think we answered the question.
01:17:03Or do you have any questions?
01:17:06Hi, sorry.
01:17:07Yes.
01:17:09We have a person who want to give my husband a sponsor
01:17:14through DAMA agreement.
01:17:17He worked for 10 months as a baker in a casual position,
01:17:22but he quit in May.
01:17:25And now they call him for coming back
01:17:29because they want to give him the sponsor,
01:17:32but he never work or study for be a baker.
01:17:38So we are thinking about what happened
01:17:42if he studied the certification three in bakery
01:17:47while he was working part-time with these people.
01:17:53He can go straight away to the 407 visa when he finished?
01:18:00Well, the thing about it is,
01:18:02even if you don't mind me asking,
01:18:04whereabouts in Australia are you?
01:18:09Adelaide.
01:18:10In Adelaide.
01:18:11I see.
01:18:13The particular employer that your husband or partner
01:18:17has this opportunity with,
01:18:19are they located in that region as well?
01:18:23They are here in Adelaide,
01:18:25and the DAMA agreement is for whole South Australia.
01:18:30Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:18:31Okay, there is one.
01:18:33Okay.
01:18:33Because look, the thing with the DAMA arrangement
01:18:37is that sometimes the experience requirement
01:18:40for a particular occupation is less
01:18:43than in the sort of standard 4A2 program.
01:18:46Yes, sorry.
01:18:50They ask for a skill assessment,
01:18:53and for that he needs three years full-time job.
01:18:59Yeah, and look, it kind of depends on
01:19:02who needs to do the skills assessment
01:19:04or who the skills assessment is with.
01:19:07So look, what I would suggest is that
01:19:11you get in touch with me,
01:19:12and I can tell you specifically what we need to do.
01:19:16So look, the short answer to your question is,
01:19:19if we're looking for more experience
01:19:20or we need more experience,
01:19:22a 407 is a really good option for that.
01:19:24If we need a qualification to be able to get to that point,
01:19:30obviously a student visa is a really good mechanism for that.
01:19:33That sounds like to me some really good pathways
01:19:35for you and your family to be able to stay
01:19:37on a longer-term basis, at least in the medium term.
01:19:39So yeah, I mean, a 407 could be really good,
01:19:43but the 407 is for primarily a work-based training.
01:19:48Yeah, I think, sorry, Richard,
01:19:49I think what Hema wants to know, I guess,
01:19:53is because her partner was my student,
01:19:57and then I was her partner,
01:20:00and her partner was my student,
01:20:02and then I extended the visas for Hema to study.
01:20:06He's got 10 months work experience
01:20:10in the bakery, part-time.
01:20:12And I guess what they now want to know
01:20:14is they probably, he will need to study baking
01:20:18because he doesn't have the 12 months work experience.
01:20:21So he might need to return to be the student.
01:20:25But I guess they,
01:20:28because they were told that they needed a skid assessment,
01:20:31but for the 407, you don't need the skid assessment.
01:20:33No, you don't need an assessment.
01:20:35I guess once he reaches,
01:20:38but I guess he will have the 12 months work experience,
01:20:41but as a student, so it will be part-time.
01:20:44So it wouldn't actually apply, right?
01:20:48Well, it might.
01:20:50It depends on how then, what are the studies we did before.
01:20:54So what studies did we do?
01:20:55It was pathology.
01:20:56I processed his visa with pathology.
01:20:59Okay.
01:21:00Because he's a pharmacist.
01:21:02Right, and how much longer do we have
01:21:05before we need to bring another visa application?
01:21:09When, hasta cuando, Jime, sería la visa?
01:21:11I think May or June, the next year.
01:21:15Oh, next year, we still got time.
01:21:19So I guess the question is,
01:21:20can we accumulate enough work experience
01:21:23in the meantime in which to be able to get
01:21:25to that 12-month point?
01:21:27It sounds like we might be close to it.
01:21:28Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:21:30I guess he'll just need to go
01:21:31because he was working in a pharmacy
01:21:33and then he got cold.
01:21:35So I guess he just needs to start working again
01:21:37as soon as possible.
01:21:39Yeah, and look, Jime, I'd say,
01:21:41probably just send me through your resume
01:21:43and I'm happy to have a chat with you about it
01:21:46so I can kind of direct you properly.
01:21:47It'll just depend on a whole range of things
01:21:49like the skills assessment requirements,
01:21:52which are specific to a DAMA arrangement,
01:21:55but also when your visa expires
01:21:57and the relevancy of his skills
01:21:59and the qualifications and things like that.
01:22:02Mm-hmm, good, good.
01:22:04Thank you.
01:22:05Okay, thank you so much, Rich.
01:22:07I know it's pretty late.
01:22:09My pleasure, that's okay.
01:22:10And I should say as well, Bella,
01:22:12directly after this, I will send you an email
01:22:15with the occupations list for that stream.
01:22:18Oh, yes, please.
01:22:19So you can share it with the guys
01:22:20and they can have a look at it.
01:22:21Yeah, yeah, awesome.
01:22:23Okay.
01:22:24Thank you so much for your time.
01:22:26Okay, my pleasure.
01:22:27It's been really nice.
01:22:28Have a good night
01:22:29and we'll definitely see you next weekend.
01:22:31Yeah, we'll look forward to that.
01:22:32For sure, for sure.
01:22:33Thank you.
01:22:34Bye.
01:22:35Thank you.
01:22:36Bye.
01:22:37Al resto, Richard me va a mandar la lista,
01:22:38no se preocupen que la voy a compartir.
01:22:41Lisa, ¿estás ahí?
01:22:42Por ahí de última podríamos hacer también un sorteo
01:22:45en Instagram que creo que a muchos les va a interesar.
01:22:48De última podemos hablar después de hacer un sorteo
01:22:50que creo que van a estar felices de tener una entrevista
01:22:53con la posibilidad de tener una entrevista.
01:22:56A los chicos que no están acá
01:22:58o que también no tienen posibilidad de ir,
01:22:59que nos agreguen y nos digan que es a partir de esta charla
01:23:02y metemos a todos en la misma bolsa.
01:23:04Dale, de una, de una, de una.
01:23:05Bueno, chicos, buenas noches.
01:23:07Muchísimas gracias.
01:23:07Buenas noches a todos.
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