Police S01E05 A Suspicious Death
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00:47The bloke who found the body, he said he'd found the body
00:50about seven minutes previous to when we'd got here.
00:54Well, I got here at 15.25, so 25 past three.
00:59He'd come in a few minutes previous.
01:01His roommate said he'd heard a banging, or more of a thud.
01:05When he came in, the bloke told him, so he came down,
01:08checked it, and that's when he found it.
01:12I wonder whether, you know, we've got a cigarette in here.
01:18Glasses, we don't really know.
01:21I'm trying to get hold of Keith Mann,
01:23because he did one at Slough this morning, half past nine.
01:27I've spoken to Mr Milner, and he's authorised the fact
01:29we use a Home Office pathologist.
01:32Well, it's not him, it's the coroner, isn't it?
01:34Yeah, well, yeah, but I've got to get on to the coroner to do that.
01:37He said because of it being...
01:38He's not too sure what it's like in Reading, but he said if...
01:43The coroner will want to know, and he will want to officially authorise...
01:47Authorise which pathologist we use.
01:50He'll do that in retrospect, there'll be no problem.
01:52So, Mann will be on his way.
01:54Hopefully when I can get hold of him.
01:58Hello, from the police station.
02:00Yes.
02:01Yeah, can I come in just a moment?
02:02Yes.
02:04Yes, thank you.
02:05Did you speak to a policeman earlier on about one of the gentlemen
02:08over the road, often with crutches and walking sticks?
02:11Yes, three of us were here, yes, that's right.
02:13Can you clarify a little bit?
02:15Do you know what exactly he looks like?
02:17Well, I mean, we don't know that, really.
02:19I mean, there is a chap that has been on crutches, you know,
02:23and I think he broke his leg some time ago,
02:26and then he graduated to arm crutches,
02:28and then he went down to a stick, you know.
02:30But, you know, he was always very wobbly on his walking, I think,
02:34but then I think he had a lot to drink, so naturally he would be.
02:38Mm-hm.
02:39You don't know who he is or what his name would be, anything of that sort?
02:42No, I don't know him at all, no.
02:46What else are you saying needs to be done here, anything?
02:48No, I think we ought to leave that.
02:50I can't think of anything else, apart from a good search.
02:52I think we ought to have a good search of the garden,
02:54for the stick, which is only here, say.
02:57At the moment, we've got everyone necessary down the nick, is that right?
03:01Yeah, all those that were in here, that have been in here, lodging here,
03:04they're all down there.
03:05Well, there's nothing much at the moment. We're going to go back upstairs.
03:07Before we get started, search if you can.
03:09I was going to get a dog to search the back garden.
03:11Can you come with this and clock a quick statement from me?
03:13Oh, I'll need. Yeah, lovely.
03:14Before you go, have you spoken to them? Yeah, I've been over there.
03:16Yeah, it's all done. I can... I can...
03:18They said there was one person here who was a bit wobbly on his legs,
03:21a long time ago. Is it this one?
03:22She hasn't got a clue. She doesn't know.
03:24Just one. She doesn't know the people.
03:26No, they just said that an old man...
03:28We want to know whether we're definitely searching for that stick.
03:30Well, we were searching for one, but she doesn't know.
03:32Sorry?
03:34Sorry?
03:36Yeah. Yeah.
03:38OK, are you going to come over to the car and we'll take you back down?
03:40Yeah, lovely. Come on, then.
03:43Yeah, it's all right. I'll just take you for a little ride.
03:45Bit easier, wouldn't it, to have a chat with you in comfort?
03:48Who, me?
03:53Who gave you a clout, then?
03:55Who gave you a clout?
04:04What was that?
04:11Come on, let's go and have a chat.
04:14Yeah, all right.
04:17Agreeable.
04:22And you wouldn't cuddle me?
04:26So I do that, or a bodyguard?
04:28A bodyguard!
04:43Hello.
04:45What do they call you, then?
04:47Jimmy. Jimmy?
04:49How are you feeling, Jimmy?
04:51Not too bad, not too bad.
04:53We're going to be able to talk now, are we?
04:55We're going to be able to talk, are we?
04:57Yes?
04:59Right, let's...
05:07Do you know Michael Wells?
05:09Sorry? Do you know Michael?
05:12Michael Wells.
05:15Do you know him?
05:17Yeah, do you know him?
05:19Yeah.
05:21Yes, that's the old man, yeah?
05:23You know him, do you?
05:25What time did you go out this morning, then?
05:29What time did you go out this morning?
05:33About what?
05:35About ten o'clock.
05:37Ten-ish, you know, or something.
05:39Ten-ish?
05:41Yeah, go on.
05:43I was more or less, you know...
05:45Yeah?
05:47Three bottles of Guinness.
05:49Three bottles of Guinness?
05:51I don't know, I was more or less, you know.
05:53Yeah.
05:55For a long of the time, you know.
05:57Fair enough.
05:59Were you by yourself?
06:03Were you by yourself?
06:05Yeah, I think so.
06:07I'm not too sure.
06:09Yeah, I think so.
06:11You think you were?
06:13I think so.
06:15What time did you get up this morning?
06:17Oh, good God, no.
06:19No, you're asking me something, mister.
06:23I just messed around.
06:25I listened to the radio and...
06:27down the locks.
06:29So as soon as the pubs were open again,
06:31you were back in the pubs again?
06:33Yes.
06:35How much have you drunk tonight
06:37prior to getting back to...
06:39About the same again, I must say.
06:41About the same again.
06:43So we got it wrong, first of all,
06:45then, you didn't go to the Swiss Cottage first.
06:47No, I got it right, you got it wrong.
06:49No, you...
06:51I've already recorded it.
06:53You went to the Swiss Cottage first.
06:55No, I was not...
06:57I thought you said you went to the garage.
06:59No, you may misunderstand me,
07:01but I ended up in the Swiss Cottage.
07:03No, that isn't what you said,
07:05but I'll re-do it.
07:07We've probably got it right.
07:09I was in the room,
07:11and the next thing I heard,
07:13the collision.
07:15You heard what?
07:17I heard this man falling.
07:19You heard the crash, did you?
07:21I did.
07:23What sort of noise was it?
07:25Fell down, fell down,
07:27and I didn't know what step
07:29at the start of the day,
07:31it was just falling from his head.
07:33Then you heard a crash?
07:35Yeah.
07:37So you went out?
07:39The next thing was there was
07:41police and so forth.
07:43So you went out of the room?
07:45I don't know what happened at all.
07:47I wasn't all that sober,
07:49I'm not saying that I was
07:51genuine sober or nothing,
07:53but I lifted the man,
07:55and the man wasn't...
07:57But you saw Mickey?
07:59Down at the bottom of the stairs.
08:01Yeah.
08:03I hadn't...
08:05I was sort of half asleep myself,
08:07and I hadn't nothing to do with it.
08:09The next thing was the police.
08:11The police was in the next thing.
08:13The police came then.
08:15Ambulance and so forth,
08:17and I don't remember
08:19nothing more than that.
08:21Nothing more than that.
08:23Nothing more than that.
08:35I don't think we'd better touch that
08:37unless we do it properly.
08:39Do we know what sort of walking stick he had?
08:43Was this an ordinary stick or...?
08:49No.
08:53We'd better wait till we get all the gear.
08:55Yeah.
09:09Right, that's it.
09:11Next room.
09:43Jesus Christ, I don't know.
09:45Mickey was the greatest friend
09:47I had in the town.
09:49God Christ, I would have met him.
09:51Have you ever seen him get so drunk
09:53that he's fallen over before?
09:55No, no, no.
09:57Oh, no.
09:59He liked his drink, but not too much.
10:01He liked his whiskey.
10:03I tell you that much.
10:05He liked the whiskey.
10:07He was a tradesman, a good tradesman.
10:09I come in every night and see Mickey,
10:11and me and Mickey might have a drink,
10:13we might have a bottle of whiskey
10:15if the money was there.
10:17If the money wasn't there, you'd have to do it there.
10:19So me and Mickey
10:21used to have a good old time there
10:23and get out, Christ.
10:25So I'm feeling very lonesome tonight.
10:27You're going to be.
10:29That's it.
10:31Mother was good and all the rest, you know.
10:33Very good to me.
10:35Very good.
10:37OK. Well, that'll do for the moment, then.
10:39Can you...?
10:41Will you...? What time are you getting me?
10:43I've got to go out and sort out what's going to happen.
10:45Then I'll come back and see you for a couple of minutes, OK?
10:47I'll be very long.
10:49I'm not the worst in the world.
10:51I'm as good as Gordon.
10:53Who's the next one?
10:55Get on with it.
10:57All right, Phil, I'll see you in a bit.
10:59All right. Be good.
11:01I'll play to you.
11:03Don't forget them things.
11:05I won't be long.
11:07No, I won't be long.
11:09Thank you very much.
11:11Cos it was through there.
11:17Not in the sink.
11:23Has that all been seen, then?
11:25Yeah, well, there's one in there,
11:27but it's a bit inebriated.
11:29What?
11:31It took me longer to get my statement signed
11:33than it did to write the story.
11:36Hello, sir.
11:38I'm Chief Inspector Warren.
11:40Pleased to see you.
11:42This is D.I. Collins.
11:44We've called you over here
11:46because there is a body in here
11:49of a gentleman over 70 years of age.
11:52The house itself is occupied by one of Master's dossers.
11:59We'll let Concord go by for the moment.
12:06Same time after, two o'clock.
12:12Searched the place very thoroughly
12:15and the walking stick's still not been found.
12:18It's in that area, possibly.
12:20But one wonders what's happened to that.
12:23Was the crack on the head all as a result of his head hitting the floor?
12:28Yeah. Or was there anything else?
12:30So, your help, please.
12:34Right. Thank you.
12:48There's blood on the stairs, is there?
12:50I don't know, sir. Very well, thank you, sir.
12:52It's the second one of today, isn't it? Yeah.
12:54It came out this morning. I didn't come out to that.
12:57Then it was out there.
12:59There's nothing there that I can see, sir.
13:02Nothing there that I can see, sir.
13:04This was sort of where I thought it might have fell onto the leaves.
13:07Yeah.
13:10It seemed a fairly local one
13:12and the sort of place where if you'd gone over backwards
13:16where you'd expect to find... Traces of...
13:19You know, um...
13:22As well at the back of the head, you see it's not a...
13:26You see, it's going through some pretty jagged sort of gash there.
13:32And almost...
13:35..in the midline.
13:37You know, on the part of the skull that, you know, sticks out at the back.
13:42Yeah.
13:44We'll find out whether it's moved at all.
13:46The stairs are well shod, as it were.
13:50I wouldn't think it's been moved, sir.
13:52In fact, there's cobweb from there to there.
13:54We're going back to the police station, quickly.
13:57And then give us a shout later, will you?
14:00Yeah.
14:06So, what, he's getting run out and he can't remember anything else
14:09till he got back, I suppose? No, not really.
14:11That'll do.
14:12It's not an awful lot there, really, is there?
14:14Well...
14:15Unless I leave him until his sober's up and trying again.
14:18Yeah, well, better three weeks' time, innit?
14:20And then we've got to keep him away from the pub in the meantime, haven't we?
14:23No, get what you can out of him, Lee.
14:25This is Professor Mant and Mr Milner, of course, who you know.
14:30The situation now is that the body can be moved from the house
14:36up to the mortuary,
14:38where Professor Mant will be carrying out a PM a bit later on.
14:42What we want to know, of course, now,
14:44is what we've discovered from these people that we've had in here.
14:48Is there anything of interest now for Professor Mant?
14:53The person who lives in the same room, the Corgan,
14:59he went down and tried to lift him up a couple of times.
15:02He was well drunk, tried to lift him up,
15:04and the other one said, no, leave him there.
15:06And that's about it.
15:08Everyone else is drunk and the other people saw nothing at all.
15:11Was Milner drinking?
15:13Well, Milner this morning refused to drink at breakfast time.
15:15They said, have a cup of tea with some whisky in it,
15:18and he said, no, I'm not drinking anything at all today.
15:20But McColgan thinks that he would have gone out and had a drink this morning.
15:23He likes his scotch.
15:25But nobody knows.
15:27They don't know what pubs he uses.
15:29He uses the Oppridge Head. Does he? Yeah.
15:32His roommate is the one with the one shoe, the one who left it.
15:36Has he said anything about his shoes?
15:38No, he says he doesn't know anything about it at all.
15:41We've asked him about it.
15:43He's drunk. He just doesn't know.
15:46Was there any suggestion of a stick?
15:48No. No. Perfectly fit and healthy.
15:51No problems with his legs. He's never used a stick at all.
15:54Have we seen all the occupants of that house?
15:57Have we got them here?
15:59DC Morey has taken a statement from the landlord,
16:01so we know exactly who they are.
16:03Everyone we've found today we've got here.
16:05Come on, mate, are we going to have to hang on to these people
16:08until they're sober up and get the right story?
16:11Yeah, and also until after this PM.
16:13Oh, yes, but I'm talking, even if whatever the PM is,
16:17we're going to have to hang on to them to see what it tallys like.
16:24There's a narrow gap between the car, sir.
16:42Perhaps they threw the gas stove down the aft room.
16:47Well, we need to borrow 30 paces from that.
16:50Oh, yeah. Yes.
16:54Not to stay in, though, is it?
17:06They were taking him out and found he'd only got one shoe on.
17:09Yeah.
17:11And they found the other shoe by the body.
17:13That's why he's downstairs.
17:15Yeah. It wasn't under the body.
17:17No. It's where it was.
17:19So, really, that knocks you down, because he's down there with the body.
17:22In his state, he could have lost it, the body.
17:25If I tell you, first of all, that the PM's concluded,
17:28Professor Mant's come to his conclusion,
17:31the cause of death is fracture of the skull.
17:34He's got bruising to his elbows
17:37and slight bruising elsewhere on the body
17:40that's consistent with a fall down the stairs.
17:43Having said that, of course,
17:45we've got to be satisfied ourselves that that fall was accidental.
17:52And it's very difficult with a fall of that sort,
17:56as to whether it is accidental
17:58or whether somebody possibly pushed him or bumped into him.
18:02I've got a plan of the house here.
18:06And if we go through it in room order, as it were,
18:10and James Gill is the first one on my list.
18:15Who was it that took that statement? I can't read the signature.
18:19He's a lot soberer than he was originally,
18:21but at the time of taking the statement,
18:25it was completely...quite difficult to take it from him.
18:29In effect, he said nothing. Nothing at all.
18:32OK, let's leave that in the moment. Connolly. Yes, sir.
18:37Connolly isn't drunk, but he's of very low intelligence.
18:41He's unable to pinpoint a time when he returned to the house,
18:46that particular...well, this afternoon.
18:49He only recalls a time inasmuch as it was raining
18:54when he started off back to his house.
18:57He states that when he arrived home,
19:00he heard voices from the room downstairs, the first door on the right.
19:05Which room is he talking about, then?
19:07He's talking about, as you go in the door,
19:10he describes it as a room near the stairs on the right.
19:14So that's the deceased's room.
19:16McColgan, who is an older roommate.
19:20That was you, Steve, I think.
19:22Yeah, he was very drunk. Still drunk now.
19:25I'm not that happy with him in that he says he's the closest friend
19:29that the deceased had, but he doesn't seem particularly concerned
19:32that he was dead.
19:34He went downstairs. He says that he tried to pull him up.
19:37But I think he needs a lot more talking to.
19:40Yeah, we've now found...
19:44..a rag with some bloodstains on there, although they're not...
19:48No, and he hasn't mentioned in this, certainly, I know,
19:52anything of wiping his hands.
19:54Although he admits being there.
19:57He hasn't said anything about his shoes either.
20:00No, when we spoke to him about his shoes,
20:02he couldn't say anything about that.
20:04He says, I'm drunk, I can't remember things.
20:08But, as we move, I'll come back.
20:10McColgan, at the moment, is the guy we've really got to look at on this.
20:16Our problem is going to be, obviously,
20:19that we've interviewed them once when half of them are bloody canned.
20:24Is the story going to vary once they're sober?
20:28And what are we going to interpret?
20:31Any other stories from them?
20:34For all that, we've got to go through it again.
20:37That's what it amounts to.
20:39And I think we can make some priorities there, can't we?
20:42Yes, indeed.
20:44Obviously, on the basis of this,
20:47McColgan has got to be closely, or his movements, closely examined.
20:51And the other people spoken to, in regard to that aspect.
20:57Brian?
20:59Brian, what time do you want them in the morning?
21:02Nine o'clock.
21:04I'm on in the morning.
21:06Show your face, anyway, at the meeting.
21:08Just to make matters worse,
21:10whoever's going to be on latest,
21:12most of them should be off by midnight.
21:15I was going to ask one to hang on till two.
21:18It's a Saturday night and we've got no night cover,
21:21so we just have to go without that.
21:23Fingers crossed, we've had enough, haven't we, today?
21:26OK, thanks very much.
21:28No point in hanging about, straight off now.
21:36Is this everyone?
21:38Yeah.
21:40I'm Chief Inspector Warren.
21:42I'm involved with this inquiry.
21:45You know that one of your colleagues is dead?
21:49Yeah.
21:51At the moment, I'm not sure.
21:54At the moment, we've got the house sealed off.
21:58Now, we're not pointing the finger at any one of you,
22:01but what we've got to do
22:03is to talk to you again tomorrow morning.
22:06We can't allow you back to the house,
22:08so you've got nowhere to keep.
22:10Yes.
22:12So what we're going to do is accommodate you here tonight.
22:15Now, you're not under arrest or anything of that nature.
22:18You're being given accommodation.
22:20You'll have breakfast in the morning.
22:22Pardon?
22:24If you don't want us.
22:26Well, I'm sorry, but, you know, we will give you that tonight.
22:32That's the situation.
22:37Well, we'll try and get you some.
22:39You must be very hungry.
22:41Yeah, two right. Two right.
22:43How old?
22:47You don't look too bad.
22:50Is that right?
22:52Anyway, that's the score at the moment.
22:54We do want to sort this out fairly for everyone.
22:58And as I said, we're not pointing the finger at anyone,
23:01but we've got a job to do.
23:03We're going to do it, and we'll talk to you again in the morning
23:07and get it sorted out then. OK?
23:09Now, in the meantime, as you've rightly suggested,
23:12a cup of tea at least, eh?
23:14OK, stay there.
23:17We'll go downstairs and see if we can't sort something out for them.
23:21It's only fair we give them something to eat, anyway.
23:26Let's try and talk it up.
23:28Somebody have a missionary on here?
23:44I think round here that this one's not too bad.
23:48It's always got the same sort of crowd.
23:51Semi-pikey, diddies, villains, local villains, you know?
23:55From now on, there aren't bloody Poles,
23:57because you've got the Poles behind you there,
23:59and there are Poles over there, aren't there?
24:01That's a crowd of Poles.
24:03We just spoke to the locals, and we said,
24:05you know, Mickey Neal's nice, he's here.
24:07He's either known as Mickey the Brick...
24:09Or, you know, a brickie. Mickey the Brickie he's known as.
24:12And this chap we know also knew him when he was in the Merchant Navy.
24:16Why, is that during the wartime, wasn't it?
24:18He did 15 years in the Merchant Navy.
24:20So he's been a brickie. He built Aldermaston 20 years ago.
24:23He's supposed to be 74.
24:24So it's all going back into sort of the 40s.
24:27He's got an age on him, yeah? He's supposed to be 74.
24:3076. 76, yeah.
24:33That's the sort of age we've got for him,
24:35but we've got nothing positive off of paperwork, you know?
24:39Do you want a drink here? Yeah, a Coke, please.
24:44What about Nick, then, the old boy who died?
24:47He drank...
24:50He's an old man, isn't he?
24:52Old man, I tell you, many times.
24:54Where does he get his money from? Huh?
24:56Where does he get his money from?
24:58And, er, well, that is secret.
25:02He have some money, somebody,
25:05no keeping bank and giving, cos he can afford a drink.
25:09He all the time share.
25:11He seem to have money for drink.
25:13Just wonder where he came from.
25:15Hi.
25:18Sorry.
25:24What's the secret source of his money, then?
25:27Farm in Ireland. No, that's not down to him.
25:30The farm in Ireland is down to Pilkington.
25:33When we took Bill in the statement,
25:35he said that he has got this property in Ireland and he lives off of that.
25:39I don't think there's anything to suggest that Lady did.
25:43We bumped into the parish landlord.
25:46And he felt there was a secret source of money on that.
25:53You know, Mick did have money.
25:56Well, we heard from...
25:58When we was in there that, erm...
26:00I mean, Connolly said he's got a couple of sons
26:04that he knows that Mick Nills has got.
26:07And we heard today that one of them was Mick Nills, the England footballer.
26:11That's right, wasn't it?
26:13And Jimmy was in the brewery yesterday,
26:15and he told Eileen she asked where Mickie was.
26:18And what was the expression she used?
26:21Er...
26:23Drunk as a stick, wasn't it? Drunk as a stick.
26:26Always as drunk as a stick.
26:29I think we'd better see how things go, then,
26:31with our interview down the road, down here now, with Bill Taylor-Maxwell.
26:44Go on, you go. All right.
26:48Set yourself down over there. All right.
26:54How do you do? I'm fine, thanks. I'm fine.
26:57Have you been treated well?
26:59Yes, all right, yeah.
27:01All right.
27:02What's your name?
27:04Michael.
27:05Your Christian name? Philip.
27:07They call you the big fella?
27:09Aha, big fella.
27:11Is that right?
27:12Philip, they call me, yeah.
27:14Yeah.
27:18How do you think he went down those stairs, then?
27:21Well, I don't know.
27:23I think he must have fell down them.
27:26Were you there when he fell down?
27:28No, I was not.
27:30I was in bed.
27:32All right. I must have been in bed.
27:35You sure of that? I'm sure of it.
27:37I must have been in bed, yeah.
27:39I was in bed, didn't you?
27:41Yep.
27:43You weren't at the top of the stairs?
27:45No.
27:46I was not.
27:48You had an argument in the morning, didn't you?
27:51In the morning?
27:53I haven't. That would be nice.
27:56Well, you had an argument, though, didn't you?
27:58I don't know what it was about, either.
28:00Well, you did. You were shouting and bawling at each other.
28:03In the morning? Yeah, the two of you.
28:05Yeah.
28:06Well, that wouldn't be nice.
28:08Well, maybe nothing.
28:09That would be nothing, anyway. That would be only a bit of craic.
28:12That's what I'd take, that sort of craic, you know.
28:15When you've had a few to drink, and you had a few that morning...
28:18Yeah?
28:20..you were a bit argumentative, weren't you?
28:22I'm afraid I wouldn't think so.
28:24You don't think so? No.
28:26Other people do.
28:27Well, that could be, but...
28:29There'll be no harm in my arguments, I'll tell you.
28:32No harm in them?
28:34No, that...
28:36That's what I'd have the craic going on, you see.
28:38Yeah? You think it's a bit of a joke, do you, sometimes?
28:41Well, that's all. Yeah?
28:43That's all.
28:44And that's all I do it for, isn't it? A bit of a joke.
28:47Yeah. That's all.
28:52It's possible, though, isn't it, that you could have had an argument?
28:56You fell out.
28:58You didn't intend him to fall down.
29:00I don't think so, no.
29:02But you could have pushed your hand out and he could have gone down the stairs.
29:05Is that right?
29:06No, I don't think so, no.
29:08That's not right.
29:12Because me and him might have an argument,
29:14but we'd never... never fall out like that,
29:17or push one another, or even fight or anything like that.
29:20Not at all.
29:21Never any fisticuffs? No.
29:23Not ever? No.
29:26Not with me, no.
29:30You told me you'd tell me the truth.
29:32Yeah.
29:36Well?
29:38Blood?
29:39Yeah.
29:40On a cloth?
29:41Yeah.
29:42In your room?
29:43No.
29:44Was there?
29:46I got no blood on me. I don't think so.
29:50Not lately.
29:52Well, you ought to know. You were there.
29:54Well, I don't think I did, I'll tell you that much.
29:58I don't remember getting blood on me.
30:01But you got hold of him, didn't you?
30:03I did.
30:04And you saw blood there?
30:06I did.
30:09But you got no blood on you?
30:10I don't think I did, I'll tell you that much, I did.
30:13And yet there's a cloth in your room with blood on.
30:15Right there?
30:17Hmm.
30:23You know that one of your shoes was downstairs,
30:26and one was upstairs?
30:27I said.
30:28Because that's what you've been told?
30:29That's what I was told.
30:31But you can't remember?
30:32The policeman told me.
30:33He says your other shoe's downstairs, and he came to...
30:35Yeah?
30:36But I don't know how it came to be that.
30:39That don't make sense.
30:45That don't make sense to me at all.
30:50Well, that's what it was anyway.
30:52Does it make sense to you?
30:56It don't make a lot of sense.
30:58But I don't know why it was there.
31:00It don't to you, it can't to me, can it?
31:02No, it don't to me either.
31:04I must have took the shoe off something wrong,
31:06it walked on.
31:14He must have come up to his room, mustn't he?
31:16He must have come up to his room, to your room.
31:20He didn't.
31:23Well, he must have been at the top of the stairs at some time,
31:26for him to fall back down them.
31:28Yeah, that's what I say.
31:29But he didn't always go into the room, did he?
31:31He never was in the room.
31:34He never...
31:38Well, what would he come up to at the top of the stairs,
31:40if he didn't want to come into the room?
31:42Well, I suppose if he wanted to come in,
31:44he could have fell down, couldn't he?
31:47That could happen.
31:54Bit odd, isn't it?
31:56It is.
31:57It is or what?
32:00I don't know, right?
32:14OK.
32:17Not at the moment, I don't think.
32:20Stay with us for a bit.
32:21What?
32:22You're going to stay with us for a little bit longer, eh?
32:24Me? Yeah.
32:25Yeah.
32:26All right.
32:28I'll drink a cup of water, if it's good.
32:31Yeah, we'll get one.
32:32Yeah.
32:33Yeah.
32:34Take mine off.
32:36Come on.
32:37All right.
32:49Yeah.
32:58Yeah, well, listen, I'm not very happy with that.
33:00Not one little bit.
33:02Not really.
33:06Yeah, where we go, if he maintains...
33:08If he maintains it, yeah.
33:10We're stuck, aren't we?
33:11We're stuck.
33:12Now...
33:15He doesn't seem particularly concerned,
33:17no matter the fact that we've been sitting here talking to him.
33:19He's wandered off in there quite happily.
33:26Where do we go from there?
33:27I mean, you keep talking to him.
33:28We've got nothing else to put to it.
33:33He's telling us the story.
33:35We can't tell him one, can we?
33:39We're relying on him.
33:48So...
33:53Anything we can do is perhaps help.
33:55A little bit later, I'll go right the way back through it with him again.
33:58Through the statements.
34:03I still think there's a little bit more than this.
34:05I might be wrong.
34:06Yeah, that's gut feeling.
34:07It's gut feeling, yeah.
34:08Yeah.
34:10But on what we're getting...
34:13We're getting nowhere, aren't we?
34:16We're getting nowhere, aren't we?
34:21Well, give him half an hour.
34:24Give him another go.
34:28And as it stands now, they'll both have to go out.
34:34We've got nothing to hold them on.
34:37Only our nasty, suspicious minds.
34:41Yeah, we'll have another chat, see how his story goes.
34:44Does it vary off on what he's said this afternoon?
34:49What he's said this afternoon doesn't vary...
34:53..much from the previous interview.
34:58And that was when he was canned.
34:59We're still feeling the effects of it.
35:02Go down this time, you talk to him.
35:15We're going to go through it again.
35:18Yeah.
35:19Right from the start.
35:20Yeah.
35:22Was there ever any trouble between you and Mick?
35:25Anything at all?
35:26Never.
35:27Never.
35:29Best of buddies?
35:30Huh?
35:31Best of buddies.
35:32Yeah.
35:35Never any trouble between me and Mick.
35:37At all.
35:39Not even when you've had too much to drink?
35:41No.
35:42Someone told you like an argument when you...
35:44A crack's been...
35:45Just a crack, we're joking.
35:46That's all it is, a joke.
35:54Greta, you can really tell us other than what you've said now, is it?
35:57What?
35:59Nothing more you can tell us, isn't there, really?
36:01No, that's a lot now.
36:03That's as much as I know.
36:07If you showed him and it was an accident, would you tell us?
36:10Huh?
36:11If you did push him down the stairs but it was an accident.
36:15Oh, I never did, no.
36:17Yeah, but if you had done, would you tell us about it?
36:20Of course I would tell you.
36:22If I'd done it.
36:23I'd poised him and had him.
36:24I mean, you were drunk, wouldn't you? You could have been missing a bell.
36:27Ah, geez, I never annoyed him.
36:29I'd never put a hand on a man like that, never.
36:32Or a no-man.
36:34Never would I.
36:35Never would I.
36:37Don't mind having a bit of an argument for the fun of it, you know.
36:41I wouldn't push people about like that.
36:44Never would.
36:46Christ.
36:48Could have been an accident.
36:50No, no.
36:51I wouldn't do that, I wouldn't.
36:52It wasn't, then?
36:53That lady, no.
36:55I'd never push like that at all.
36:57Could be a bit of horseplay, couldn't it?
36:59No, no.
37:01I wouldn't put a hand near him.
37:03You were bloody drunk, weren't you?
37:05I was, but I wouldn't.
37:06I'd be sober.
37:07Drunk as a load, you were.
37:08I would.
37:09I was drunk, all right, yeah.
37:10Yeah?
37:11I admit that.
37:12But I'd never put my hands on a man like that.
37:16Or a pensioner.
37:19Never.
37:26Want me to get out now?
37:29What, do you want to go out?
37:30No.
37:31I'm stopping you.
37:32Huh?
37:33No, I'm stopping you.
37:35No, I'm not stopping me.
37:36Huh?
37:38Well, then I'll go.
37:40Yeah?
37:41Yeah.
37:42All right?
37:43Yeah, I'm going in.
37:51All right?
38:03You got any offers, Hedley?
38:05Huh?
38:06Got any offers?
38:08Hedley, I don't know.
38:11How's it sounding?
38:12Five minutes.
38:13Five to seven.
38:15All right.
38:17Can you give us a signature just there?
38:19That's to say that you've had all your property returned to you.
38:22Yeah, right.
38:33Right, all right, thank you.
38:35That's the job.
38:36Thanks very much.
38:37Cheers.
38:46All right?
39:03Do you have a source, mate?
39:05Well, we've not become any more wiser now, have we?
39:09No, no.
39:12We were at the beginning.
39:15We've got nothing extra.
39:18So all we can do is get a bit of decency for the old fella
39:21and get some relatives informed.
39:23So can I leave that one with you?
39:25Yes, sir.
39:26Get that sorted out, I think.
39:28Got to be a coroner's job, innit?
39:30Yeah.
39:31I'll talk to Brian Greaves tomorrow, then.
39:33I think that's the answer.
39:35Yeah.
39:36He's going to show his face tomorrow and leave it like that.
39:41That's how it's going to stay.
39:43I'm going to get some grub.
39:45And how are you?
39:47Oh, not too bad.
39:49I thought about coming home for a meal.
39:55Yeah, I thought it might be. What are you having?
40:01What's it called?
40:06Yeah, all right, then.
40:08I was just thinking, by about eight o'clock, I might make it.
40:13Yeah, OK, fine.