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00:00Namaste Acharyaji. My name is Utsav. I'm from 2015 MBA batch. In my experience, only a crazy
00:11person can understand true love. So are you crazy?
00:18You're asking this question while assuming that what you have experienced and what you
00:25have concluded based on your experience is already true. So isn't it important that first
00:35of all we investigate the premise itself? Or do you propose that we proceed on the assumption?
00:46No. So if you look at the mind and if you look at mind's perception of its own dissolution
00:54and then enjoying its own dissolution, a normal person with an ego mind will call him a crazy
01:01person. But for him that is a true love. So in that sense, are you also that crazy in thinking that way?
01:09I could say yes. I could also say no. But I'm not really sure whether that would be
01:23useful. Because you see these are words that are recycled so much in the spiritual literature
01:34that just because one is habituated to reading them, one starts feeling one knows them. Now
01:45just because one is habituated to something does not mean that one knows that thing. For
01:52example, you could be habituated to passing by an electric pole or a slaughterhouse or a hospital
02:07or a funeral ground or something every day. Because you are very habituated to it, it arouses no
02:17curiosity when you encounter it again and again daily. But that does not really mean that we fully
02:29understand this object we are perceiving. I'm just trying to play the devil's advocate. You asked a
02:37beautiful question. I just want to add some value because what you are saying is already at a
02:44certain level of thought. And if we are here, we better attempt something higher. So that's where
02:53I'm coming from. So you read Kabir Sahab, you read Rumi and you read the words of the saints and you
03:04come across such phrases, divine craziness and seeking joy in one's own inner depth. And
03:18they say it with such conviction and such simplicity and such obviousness
03:24that we start feeling that it's something very straightforward, no? Because they are putting it
03:30putting it as an obvious fact of life. They are looking at it as directly, as simply and as clearly
03:38as one looks at as the teacup on the table, no? But we must also remember that just because
03:47they are able to articulate it in such simple terms, it does not mean the matter itself is
03:54very simple. This is where we can often be deceived, no? Let's say there is the Rishi from
04:04the Upanishads and he very simply and succinctly says Aham Brahmasmi. Now that is something
04:14that spontaneously arising from his life, he has paid the price, he knows a few things and from
04:21there it is something very ordinary for him to say Aham Brahmasmi and if he looks at you,
04:31even to you he will say Tattvamasi. But that is his prerogative to say. He is the one authorized
04:42to say that. He is not stating an objective fact. If I say here to my right is a wall and
04:55if the two are standing next to each other then this statement as an objective fact would apply
05:00to you as well, no? If there is a wall to my right then there has to be a wall to your right as well.
05:06Yes. What I say then can be repeated by you without any risk of going wrong.
05:14Yes. But if I say Aham Brahmasmi and you too say Aham Brahmasmi then there is a problem.
05:22Because it's a difference, yes. There is a huge difference because it is not an objective fact
05:27we are articulating here. Yes. One has to earn the right to use these words.
05:34Yes, because reality is subjective. Yes, because the ego has to be at its minimal
05:43before it can utter absolute truths. Truths, yes. Now if the ego stands where it is and yet it picks
05:51up words and starts repeating them and owning them then there might be a bit of a problem.
06:02Yes. So the craziness of love, well you know we have to be very cautious of it because
06:09love gives you an experience of craziness even if it is the very common ordinary vulgar egoistic
06:18love. Even in that people experience a certain craziness. Look at a 15 year old going crazy in
06:25love. Yes. You know he is looking at his classmate or somebody and he is saying this is the purest
06:36and truest kind of love possible. Yes. And in the age of social media that's happening all the more
06:42you go to Instagram or somewhere and you will have all 12 years, 14 year olds, 16 year olds
06:49all of them are going crazy in true love. Yes. So when that is the situation of the words crazy
06:59and love and truth, how do I say that I am crazy in love? If I say that then I run the
07:09risk of being misinterpreted. I also run the risk of being misclassified.
07:14Okay. No? So what does this word crazy mean for you? What does the dissolution of ego mean to you?
07:23I think these are more useful queries. This is what one should go into. No? What is the real
07:30lived meaning of dissolution? Otherwise d-i-s-s-o-u-l-i-t-i-o-n makes no difference,
07:40makes no difference. We may keep saying E-G-O, E-G-O all our life and yet have no awareness of
07:47E-G-O. Yeah. Is it there in your breath? Is the dissolution something that you are living every
07:57moment? Moment, yes. That's what one has to honestly investigate and that's what spirituality
08:05is really all about. Yes. To go into the facts, bare facts of one's life. Yes. Bare facts, how is
08:15it with me? It does not matter much how it was with the Rishis and the Rumi's and the Kabir's.
08:27That won't help you because you have your own life to live. Yes. A beautiful verse from a seer
08:34poet is obviously a thing of delight but by itself it cannot change your life.
08:42Yes, but you can always relate to those words. No, no, no, don't try to relate to them,
08:48don't try to relate to them because relationship is very, very dimension specific. Please understand
08:55how can a thing on the earth relate to something in the sky? That is beyond, yeah. That is beyond
09:02but that's the Ego's aspiration to remain where it is, to remain where it is and yet strike a
09:09relationship with the highest. Yes. And that is a great problem. If you want to relate to the sky
09:18then rise to the sky. That is the only honest way of relating. If you remain where you are and the
09:26Ego does not want to change itself because there is comfort in where it is and there is security
09:31in where it is. No, remaining where it is if it wants to have a relationship with something of
09:36the beyond then this may not be very honest. So do not just try to relate, try to rise,
09:46try to rise, that's more important. More important. Thank you.