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00:00I've cancelled three NOC's and I'll tell you the reasons for all three, and you'll smile at it.
00:04The first time I cancelled the NOC, they said that terrorists have come from the border areas of Fatah.
00:09So, I cancelled the NOC on this basis.
00:11The one that got cancelled on 5th August, they said that it's the 40th after Muharram.
00:15Terrorists can also come here. This Jalsa got cancelled.
00:17The one that got cancelled on 22nd August, they said that TLP, because the Supreme Court is going out in the Mubarak-Sahni case,
00:22there's terrorism here.
00:23Today, on September, let's tell them which terrorism it is.
00:26Just for simple.
00:45So, you're saying that if they try to stop you, then there will be mass killings on the streets as well?
00:57If they don't let us do Jalsa, then why not T-Chok?
01:00Which T-Chok is outside of Pakistan?
01:02Or which one of them has gone so far?
01:04If we don't get our rights, then we can protest anywhere.
01:08This is not a big deal.
01:09Yes, they will let you enter T-Chok.
01:11Mr. Baki, they are putting you in jail for three years for Jalsa, so who will let you enter T-Chok?
01:16It's a matter of purpose.
01:18What didn't they do to us in the last two years?
01:19Already, our chairman has been in jail for the last one year.
01:23So, which law is going on?
01:25What difference does it make?
01:31Very frankly, I'm thinking.
01:33Are they going to apologize for what they did to us?
01:35Will they apologize for Mr. Khan's case?
01:37Will they apologize for the FIR that was filed against Mr. Khan?
01:40I mean, the way they were taken away from the High Court.
01:43Will anyone apologize for this?
01:45It's a war of ego.
01:47It's a war of egos.
01:48They won't let us do Jalsa.
01:49Put them in jail for three years.
01:51Put them in jail for three years.
01:52I don't want to predict whether they will get permission or not.
01:55It's possible that they will get permission.
01:57If the security situation is good, then I'm saying that they have a legal right to do this.
02:02This is a separate matter.
02:03Mr. Rana, you know and we know that they won't get permission.
02:07It's possible that they won't get permission.
02:09If the security situation is good, then I can't predict.
02:11Anyway, it's their history.
02:13They are saying that they should apologize for what they did.
02:15They should apologize.
02:16They were involved in the 9th of May.
02:18They preached that if not for Khan, then not for Pakistan.
02:22Redline Khan.
02:23And then what they did on 10th of May was unprecedented.
02:26Mr. Rana, one second.
02:28What will happen if they apologize?
02:30That's the beginning.
02:32You are saying that they should apologize first.
02:40If they apologize, will you forgive them?
02:42It's not a big deal.
02:44But if someone breaks the law, then apologizing for that is not the end of the story.
02:51Then why are they apologizing?
02:52It's not an ethical or moral responsibility.
02:54Did you hear Mr. Khair's apology?
02:56I just want to tell you that they should apologize on 9th of May.
03:02The problem is that you are saying that if you apologize, then the problem will be solved.
03:06The thing is that you don't feel responsible.
03:08Either you say that this country will run according to the law, then you will be punished.
03:11Or you say that the problem is not a big deal.
03:13We want forgiveness.
03:14If you apologize, then the problem will be solved.
03:16This country will run according to the law.
03:20But if you want to move forward, then the bare minimum is that you take responsibility.
03:26If Imran Khan apologizes on 9th of May, then his case will not go to the military court.
03:29This case will not be filed against Imran Khan.
03:31You take responsibility for this.
03:33When did I take responsibility?
03:34They said that I am responsible.
03:35We made a mistake.
03:36It happened on 9th of May.
03:37Then what?
03:38Then we can talk to this party.
03:40And you can move forward with this.
03:42This is a political issue.
03:44No, it's not a political issue.
03:45If someone is involved in this,
03:47if someone is involved in its abetment,
03:49if someone is involved in its planning,
03:51then they should be prosecuted according to the law.
03:53But if people beyond this accept that there was a mistake,
03:57then you can move forward with them.
03:59People who are not directly involved in this.
04:01Mr. Mappi, I am commenting on this very fairly.
04:05This 9th of May is not a good step in any country.
04:09If people enter Capitol Hill,
04:11if there are riots in Britain,
04:14the states will not tolerate these things.
04:16In our country, they are saying,
04:18apologize and move forward.
04:20You are not apologizing.
04:22Apologizing or not,
04:24this is a bad thing.
04:26This is an illegal act.
04:28People are angry.
04:30This is a simple thing.
04:32There should not be any condition on this.
04:34There should not be any condition on this.
04:36There should not be any condition on this.
04:38No, no, we are saying this.
04:40But why are we saying this?
04:42No, no, I will tell you.
04:44The law will find its own way.
04:46Then why are you apologizing?
04:48This is the basic minimum.
04:50This was done by PMLN.
04:52This was done by the establishment.
04:54They are showing so much stubbornness.
04:56Those who did it,
04:58are saying that we did not do it.
05:00Someone else did it.
05:02Apologize to them.
05:04This is the same thing.
05:06We got whitewashed from Bangladesh.
05:08Apologize and move forward.
05:11We have been humiliated a lot in cricket.
05:13I am laughing at these people.
05:15When they compare with Capitol Hill,
05:17that they were punished for what happened there.
05:19One person was hanged there.
05:21You took him to the court.
05:23He was punished for 3 years, 7 years, 10 years.
05:25What kind of calculation is this?
05:27Did someone kidnap Trump at that time?
05:29No, the Democratic Party was not involved in that.
05:31No, the Democratic Party was not involved in that.
05:33Only Trump and his followers were involved.
05:35Mr. Bappi, I will tell you one thing.
05:37Listen to me.
05:39Mr. Bappi, listen to me.
05:41I have said this 10 times on this platform.
05:43Listen to me.
05:45What should happen?
05:47Mr. Bappi is right.
05:49Punish those who are involved.
05:51Punish those who are not.
05:53They should do their politics.
05:55This cannot happen.
05:57And whether Donald Trump is doing his politics or not,
05:59he is doing his politics.
06:01Let me listen to him and then I will come to you.
06:03The Republicans were not involved in that.
06:05Trump was a presidential candidate.
06:08Trump was a presidential candidate.
06:10He was campaigning.
06:12But the party was not involved in that.
06:14Only the party is involved in this.
06:16Mr. Bappi.
06:18Kashif, it is very simple.
06:20If someone crosses the red line on 9th May,
06:22he should be punished in the courts.
06:24This is not in any of the laws of the world
06:26to ask for forgiveness.
06:28You should be punished.
06:30I will tell you something interesting.
06:32There are 102 children in our military trial.
06:34They are in the military establishment.
06:36The Supreme Court has said that they do not want to hear it now.
06:38Many of them were not supposed to be punished for more than 6 months.
06:40I think the Supreme Court has stopped them
06:42from hearing the case.
06:44You should be punished.
06:46You should be punished.
06:48What happened in America,
06:50did not happen in Pakistan.
06:52What happened in the past two years,
06:54from Wazirabad to Zaman Park,
06:56did it happen with Trump?
06:58There is a background.
07:00There is a whole story.
07:02You should react in the context of that.
07:05Again, my two cents.
07:07What happened in Wazirabad was also wrong.
07:09But nothing justifies a rash response.
07:11You cannot say that...
07:13Sir, listen to me.
07:15If it happened in Wazirabad,
07:17GHQ is allowed.
07:19Court Commander House is allowed.
07:21All three are not allowed.
07:23All three should be punished.
07:25All three should be caught.
07:27Who was behind Wazirabad?
07:29Who was behind GHQ?
07:31If we have made this mistake,
07:33we should not ask for forgiveness.
07:35I was asking you what will happen
07:37if we ask for forgiveness.
07:39If forgiveness is on the table.
07:41But if you want to put IDDAT on 9th May,
07:43if you want to put CYPHER on 9th May,
07:45if you want to put Social Security on 9th May,
07:47if you want to put Al-Qaeda on 9th May,
07:49that is a stupid approach.
07:51The propaganda you are doing to the country,
07:53and you are still doing the politics
07:55of hatred,
07:57the politics of polarization.
07:59There are already big issues in Pakistan.
08:02You should ask for forgiveness.
08:04There is no doubt that you are aware
08:06of your responsibility.
08:08Nothing will happen with that.
08:10But the whole party,
08:12who is doing wrong,
08:14should be punished.
08:16Those who did not do wrong,
08:18should be thrown out.
08:20You are saying that we did not do this on 9th May.
08:22You are saying that we did not do this on 9th May.
08:24This was a false flag operation against us.
08:26This is not a legal action.
08:28But if you have a little moral ethics,
08:30then you should take some responsibility.
08:32Without taking responsibility,
08:34if you want to move forward,
08:36this is not going to happen in this country.
08:38If you have some accountability on 9th May,
08:40then we will move forward.
08:42Who holds the responsibility?
08:44The system of justice.
08:46The system of justice will tell the whole of Pakistan
08:48who was the accused,
08:50who gave the order,
08:52who told them to go in,
08:54whether it was a false flag or not,
08:56whether the leader gave the order,
08:59the system of justice will tell everyone.
09:01As a political statement,
09:03this is what happens in our country.
09:05We are telling you,
09:07the judge, jury, executioner,
09:09they are all the same.
09:11The one who accused,
09:13he is the one who gives the punishment.
09:15Listen to my last minute question.
09:17You answer it,
09:19I will take a break.
09:21From 9th May to 3rd or 4th September,
09:23there were dozens of press conferences
09:25from all sides.
09:27The government did it.
09:29Everyone did it.
09:31And they said, we have evidence.
09:33If there is any evidence,
09:35they would have shown it to the world.
09:37We did not stop it.
09:39There is no restriction on PTA.
09:41There is no restriction on cameras.
09:43There are 2,000 evidences.
09:45There are 2,000 selfies.
09:47You are waving the flag.
09:49Look, the thing is,
09:51I completely agree that
09:53if your judicial system was effective,
09:56what would you let it do?
09:58You will decide that the judicial system is wrong?
10:00No, we did not do it.
10:02The world is telling you.
10:04The world is ranking you.
10:06Then stop it.
10:08This is our question too.
10:10Stop putting pressure.
10:12Let the judiciary decide.
10:14People should be punished.
10:16As long as there are no punishments,
10:18the PTA will continue to do politics.
10:20Let's go to the last question.
10:22Why were the judges not dismissed today?
10:24I think they have sent them
10:26to the legal committee.
10:28They will not step back?
10:30No, they will not step back.
10:32If they get endorsement from the party,
10:34then it will happen.
10:36If they get endorsement from the coalition,
10:38then it will happen.
10:40Let's take a break.