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00:00Mark Tildesley set off for the local fair alone, as he had done many times before.
00:15The last time he was seen there was standing just outside the Dodgers.
00:24From then, it's anyone's guess.
00:28If Evans got Mark, would they please, please, please bring him home?
00:38The naked body of 14-year-old Jason Swift was found in a shallow grave in the Essex countryside.
00:44The crucial evidence linking the murders of Jason Swift and Barry Lewis is the traces of a tranquilising drug found in both their bodies.
01:00I started to hear about this dirty dozen, about paedophile gang from London, and you just think this gets worse.
01:11The central role that was played by Sidney Cooke became much, much clearer.
01:19He was a very influential, if not the leader.
01:24The police's interest in Sidney Cooke led them to question him while he was on remand at Brixton Prison.
01:34There are all sorts of villains. In my opinion, the worst are those who do bad things to children.
01:43This has got to be solved, and solved quickly.
01:47SIDNEY COOKE'S DAUGHTER
02:00Say no to strangers.
02:02Not one of these. Come on, jump in.
02:05There's nothing more precious than a child.
02:08The circumstances are horrific.
02:11He was abducted. I'm sure he must have been.
02:14Police were uncovering something that was truly horrific.
02:21These people were the vermin of society.
02:24Evil, sick, twisted. There's nothing else.
02:28Dirty perverts who get involved with children.
02:36You've gone the wrong way.
02:39You've gone the wrong way. You can't go down that way.
02:41It's all right, love. We've taken a shortcut.
02:44We were in the business of saving children's lives.
02:48I couldn't emphasise the danger that guy was in.
02:54There is wickedness in this world. Some people are evil.
03:00Sorry. I thought I was going to be all right again.
03:08SIDNEY COOKE'S DAUGHTER
03:11SIDNEY COOKE'S DAUGHTER
03:34The 28th, 29th of July,
03:37probably the two most important days of the whole inquiry...
03:44..I interviewed Sidney Cooke.
03:48Even then, with all of the problems he was facing,
03:52being accused of an absolutely horrific offence,
03:56he still wanted to be in charge and be the governor.
04:00My name is John Nutting. I became a barrister in 1968.
04:07Sidney Cooke was a man who was perfectly capable of confessing a crime
04:13and then saying that he made it up to impress the officers.
04:28He was a dreadful fantasist,
04:31one of the most manipulative men I've ever known.
04:36I know that the officers who interviewed him,
04:39Mr Bright from the Essex police,
04:42found the task of getting a truthful account out of Sidney Cooke
04:47about anything extremely difficult.
04:54He initially, over quite a lengthy interview,
04:59denied any involvement.
05:01When he's in his own territory, he takes over the conversation
05:06and he will bore you to death.
05:08But get him to talk about fairgrounds, he knows everything about them.
05:12He likes to control the situation,
05:15so you've got to play to his ego a little bit just to keep him talking.
05:22He was not legally represented
05:25and did not want to be legally represented.
05:29He could handle it himself.
05:34But he then gave in and he had his Salvation Army minister.
05:40When he came, I'd said to him,
05:43you're going to hear things, possibly, that nobody should really hear.
05:50I knew it was going to be grim to hear and sit through.
06:00When he finished with Cooke, he said that was the worst day of his life.
06:06And that stuck with me.
06:10Cooke, slowly but surely,
06:13starts to make omissions of his involvement with Jason.
06:20It was horrific. I'll say no more than that. It was horrific.
06:29They asked him to show them what had happened to the boy
06:34and Cooke actually laid down on the floor of the interview room
06:39to demonstrate what had happened.
06:42He didn't take any responsibility for the death of Jason
06:46and actually tried to shift the blame.
06:51But the police were quite clearly getting to the heart of the matter.
07:00CLICK
07:06Jason Swift was 14 years old when he died.
07:09He had been grossly abused and finally suffocated
07:13in a squalid council flat in East London in November 1985.
07:20Mum thought he was with his sister and sister thought he was with Mum.
07:26But he was with Sidney Cooke
07:29and others who associate with Cooke.
07:35Jason was with Cooke and others travelling round.
07:39He certainly came to South Immortal Sea, he went to Brighton,
07:43and we know that because he sent his mum cards from both locations.
07:48He was preyed on by these sick, twisted people.
07:53They watched and they followed
07:56and they could see that he wasn't going back anywhere.
08:00They literally groomed him, knew he was vulnerable and preyed on him.
08:05I ain't going to lie, it gave me nightmares.
08:09I was Junior Treasury Counsel
08:12during the course of the Jason Swift trial.
08:17The Old Bailey is the most famous criminal court in the world.
08:22It has the highest crime rate in the world.
08:27It has the highest crime rate in the world.
08:31It has the highest crime rate in the world.
08:36It has existed for several centuries,
08:40concerned only with the most serious cases.
08:45In cases involving the sort of degree of horror
08:51which was involved in the death of Jason Swift,
08:55it is absolutely essential to play down the emotional content
09:01and do nothing to prevent the jury
09:06from focusing on the evidence in the case.
09:15It was a long trial
09:17and every day sitting up there in the courtroom was Jason's mum.
09:25How did Jason's mum feel?
09:28Awful.
09:30Awful.
09:35They were smirking at my uncle.
09:39And I thought,
09:41who would do that?
09:44You just took a child away
09:47and now you're smirking at the parents and the family.
09:51As the four men waited in the dock,
09:53the judge warned them that he was going to pass extremely long sentences
09:57for the terrible nature of the attack on Jason Swift.
10:01Mr Justice McCulloch said he had also taken into account
10:04the sense of public outrage at what these four had done
10:07and said he found it difficult to remember a worse case of manslaughter.
10:13They were not charged with his murder,
10:16but they were convicted of manslaughter and of sexual crimes.
10:21The prosecution felt that they could not determine
10:25who actually had killed Jason.
10:28Cook was the ringleader, got the 19 years.
10:32Oliver and Bailey, 15-year sentences.
10:37And Stephen Barrell was 13 and a half years.
10:43Bearing in mind what they all said in an interview
10:47which formed the basis of most of the evidence against each one of them,
10:53it would be extremely difficult for the jury
10:56to pick through the interviews
10:59and justify finding one of them guilty of murder
11:04and another guilty of manslaughter.
11:07These people are maniacs, real maniacs.
11:10There's no getting away from it, they're maniacs.
11:14Words fail me, really, of what they are.
11:16I mean, he was only 14 years old.
11:22I was absolutely unhappy, putting it politely,
11:26that they only got done for manslaughter.
11:29They know they've done it, they're smirking at everyone.
11:32Notorious, evil, sick, twisted.
11:37That's what comes to mind when I hear their names,
11:41because they're nothing else.
11:44The details of Jason's killing were so horrific
11:47that many of those in the public gallery wept when they were read out.
11:51Police officers who worked on the case found it profoundly disturbing.
11:55This is absolutely appalling.
11:57I mean, people who can literally hold a boy down,
12:00torture him to death for their own sexual gratification,
12:03must be extremely depraved.
12:05I can't think of a worse type of person, to be honest with you.
12:08I mean, it leaves a marked impression on you, it's bound to.
12:11I mean, I've been a police officer for over 20 years
12:14and this has definitely left a marked impression upon me.
12:18After the trial, we needed to push on with the investigation,
12:22which was much bigger than just Jason Swift's inquiry.
12:28Everybody wants to get the piece,
12:30that piece of the jigsaw that's missing, to make the complete picture.
12:37Although Jason's killers were now behind bars,
12:40police knew that they still had some distance to travel
12:44before they could solve the cases of Barry Lewis and Mark Torsley.
12:50They were clear in their minds that this gang was responsible in some way,
12:56but just could not get the evidence that was required to secure a conviction.
13:05Until the police achieved a major breakthrough.
13:14The End
13:27Keep away from people you don't know, from strangers.
13:31Hello, young lady.
13:33You going home?
13:35It's a bit chilly, isn't it?
13:37Why don't you hop in and I'll give you a lift back, eh?
13:40You know that little field just off the road?
13:43There's a sweet little baby donkey there.
13:46Only born last night.
13:48I'd like to see it on the way home.
13:52Yes, please.
13:54Most people are good and kind,
13:57but there are some who want to hurt children.
14:04The disappearance and the killing of children,
14:09in whatever circumstances, always made headline news.
14:14In the 1980s, there seemed to be a number of horrific cases across the country.
14:24However, the mention of paedophiles
14:30really was quite difficult for the media at that time.
14:36There was a reluctance to sort of accept the enormity of what was going on.
14:44After the Jason Swift conclusion,
14:48to complete the job in hand,
14:51you'd need to solve the baroness in the Mark 21.
14:58I remember a prominent doctor telling me that
15:02there was no cure for this paedophile obsession.
15:06And he said to me that the best course of action
15:11was for them to be put behind bars.
15:32Lesley Bailey was serving his sentence in Wandsworth,
15:37along with Sidney Cook and Robert Oliver.
15:43Ian Gabb was a prisoner in Wandsworth Prison.
15:48Gabb had come forward to say his cellmate, Lesley Bailey,
15:56Gabb had come forward to say his cellmate, Lesley Bailey,
16:02had confessed to him about the killings of a number of boys.
16:12There was sufficient credibility given to Ian Gabb's secret reporting
16:18from his conversations with Lesley Bailey
16:21that the police launched a new operation called Operation Orchid.
16:25And it was decided that Gabb could be used as an informant.
16:34This triggered an opportunity to gain evidence.
16:38We needed to concoct a scam where we could go into the prison regularly
16:45and not draw attention unnecessarily.
16:48So I decided that I would masquerade as a vicar.
16:57It needed to be a cover.
17:00The story was that he'd seen God and seen the light.
17:04Instead he saw me with all the various accoutrements
17:10that you should need.
17:12Bibles, dog collar,
17:16even down to the car that I was driving to the prison.
17:24I did this with the agreement of the prison governor.
17:29He said to me at the time, if this comes out,
17:32he said, they'll find out what we're doing.
17:35He said both your head and mine will end up on spikes outside the prison gates.
17:41You're entering into the unknown, doing the unknown that hadn't been done before.
17:51It was a bold move at the time, and I don't regret doing it.
17:59You have to think outside the box.
18:02OK, well, thanks very much for your help.
18:04Detectives have been working to try to uncover the full story
18:08of the Hackney child sex ring
18:10responsible for the torture and murder of young boys.
18:15Detectives believe at least another six boys
18:17may have been abused and murdered by the ring.
18:22This was on a different level.
18:24This was not an isolated case.
18:27And that is why it was important for the police to keep up media interest.
18:35We have information which indicates there are other children
18:39who have been reported missing for a number of years,
18:42and we have names, first names only,
18:45of some persons who are alleged to have been the victims
18:50of a particular gang of pedophiles.
18:55At the time, journalists with very good contacts within the police
19:00would perhaps pick up pieces of information
19:03that the police had no objection to being leaked out
19:07if it felt as though it were in the investigation's interests.
19:12Now, after further information from serving prisoners,
19:15detectives running the investigation, codenamed Orchid,
19:18are planning further charges.
19:20The police believed, with a great deal of justification,
19:23that others and all members of the same gang were involved.
19:28They were quite happy to make it known that Bailey had spilled the beans
19:35and was implicating everyone,
19:38and that was to put pressure on the other members of the gang.
19:46They decided to deploy Gab to share a cell with Cook and with Robert Oliver
19:54to amass further information.
19:57Gab had secretly recorded in a notebook,
20:00and this information was passed on to Scotland Yard from the prison.
20:05It was an extraordinary risk,
20:09but it was a task that Ian Gab,
20:13despite his own background and difficulties,
20:17warned to and produced
20:23a considerable amount of very, very useful intelligence.
20:31The most dangerous person is the informant.
20:35He's put himself in physical harm or even worse.
20:39Other inmates would probably turn against him
20:41because inside they don't like informants.
20:45You will find that some prisoners will knock seven bells out of them
20:51with what they've done.
20:54You cannot emphasise the danger that guy was in.
21:01Gab's interest in helping us was probably twofold.
21:05One was the dislike for what Robert Oliver had been involved in,
21:12and secondly, he thought that he'd probably do himself a bit of good
21:16by being helpful.
21:22Analyse what's said by Oliver, by Bailey, by Cook,
21:28and there might be something, a thread, that links all three of those together.
21:34The evidence or the information he passed over
21:39could be later alleged to be totally false,
21:42make up for a variety of reasons,
21:44but at least it would give the police a starter.
21:48And if you work on the information,
21:50it's amazing what other facts you can turn up in pieces of evidence,
21:54and that makes your case stronger.
21:59It became abundantly clear that Gab was unearthing
22:05very, very valuable information.
22:09They confessed to the sexual abuse
22:12and indeed the killing of a number of boys,
22:16and two names were mentioned in these discussions.
22:22Barry Lewis and Mark Tolsley.
22:36BARRY LEWIS AND MARK TOLSLEY
22:55Leslie Bailey made various submissions to his cellmate
23:00regarding Barry Lewis and Mark Tolsley.
23:05There was enough there for Bailey to be interviewed.
23:14Leslie Bailey was re-interviewed in relation to the death of Barry Lewis.
23:19The detectives at the time didn't really know what to expect.
23:23These type of interviews were always full of surprises.
23:28Often the suspects would deny everything for hours and hours and hours.
23:34And other times they would just casually confess to something.
23:40In this new interview with Leslie Bailey,
23:43he confessed that he was involved in the killing
23:47and the disposal of the body of Barry Lewis.
23:56The young boy had been given sweets by Sidney Cook
24:02as they abducted him off the street in South London
24:07and taken to the Kingsmeade Estate
24:12where he was abused and drugged.
24:21The events at the Kingsmeade Estate,
24:25it was an absolutely disgusting crime
24:28on an innocent and a very, very scared young boy.
24:36A witness had come forward to say that they had seen
24:41a man with a child who looked unwell
24:45at a petrol station in the area where
24:49Barry's body was finally discovered.
24:54When police interviewed Bailey for the second time,
24:57they asked him to take them to the burial site
25:01and again he took them right to the spot where Barry had been found.
25:11Leslie Bailey was soon after charged with the murder of Barry Lewis,
25:16subsequently convicted and was sentenced to life in prison.
25:24By the time of the trial of Barry Lewis,
25:28I was a senior Treasury counsel.
25:32It's quite usual for the Crime Prosecution Service
25:36to make use of the services of the same counsel
25:41in a continuing police investigation.
25:45I used to try and ensure that the family of any victim
25:51was spared the details wherever possible.
25:56I would invite a police officer to tell the family
26:01that the opening would be deeply distressing
26:05to any relative of the victim.
26:09Let's remind ourselves, Barry Lewis was six
26:15and the assaults on him rendered it a crime of absolute horror.
26:39It's now around six years since Mark Tilsley
26:44disappeared from that fairground in Wokingham.
26:47Bailey provided credible and horrific detail
26:54of Mark's final moments.
27:00He told police that he had travelled down from London
27:06to Wokingham where Sidney Cooke was waiting.
27:12Cooke had befriended and corrupted Mark Tilsley.
27:17He had been bribed with sweets.
27:21He had been promised a ride on the Dodgems with Cooke.
27:26He had been taken to a caravan on the edge of town
27:31where he was abused by the group
27:34after being drugged with a spiked milk drink.
27:41Sidney Cooke was the sleeping man of that there is no doubt
27:48who had been seen in Wokingham that day.
28:04There's a side of me that almost wishes
28:08I didn't know what happened to Mark
28:11because I cannot imagine what Mark would have felt
28:17in his last few minutes.
28:19It's truly horrific what these people have done.
28:23It sent shivers down your spine.
28:26It's unthinkable to do that to a seven-year-old child,
28:31to lose a friend in such a way.
28:34It was very much a shock.
28:36I think that was one of the only times I'd ever seen Mark's brother cry
28:41was when he found out what had happened to his little brother.
28:47The confession of Leslie Bailey to the killing of Mark Tilsley
28:53took the police 90% of the way there, but they needed more.
28:59There were two crucial developments
29:03in that re-investigation of the Mark Tilsley disappearance.
29:10One, Sidney Cooke's alibi was proven to be false.
29:17A re-examination of the records showed that he, in fact,
29:21was not working at another fairground in London
29:25on the day that Mark Tilsley had gone missing.
29:29And secondly, police had questioned the man
29:34who had taken possession of Sidney Cooke's blue Jaguar car
29:40and he recalled seeing a plastic tiger keyring
29:45with broken feet in that car during the time that he was the owner.
29:52That keyring belonged to Mark Tilsley.
30:01Cooke denied murdering Mark Tilsley.
30:05He denied murdering Barry Lewis.
30:11Once again, he showed that he took great pleasure
30:16in recounting his despicable behaviour with children
30:21over many, many years.
30:23This was typical of Cooke and typical of other members of this gang
30:27who revelled in the misery that they had inflicted on people.
30:32Detectives all believed that the evidence showed
30:37who did it, who was involved and how it came to pass.
30:44And they were extremely frustrated
30:47that the prosecution authorities at that time
30:52felt that some of the evidence was insufficient
30:56to take the case all the way through court.
31:00SIREN WAILS
31:11Serial child killer Leslie Bailey,
31:13a former rent boy who fell in with a paedophile ring
31:16dubbed the Dirty Dozen.
31:18Before today's conviction at Reading Crown Court,
31:20he was already serving time for the manslaughter of two other boys.
31:24Mark Tilsley's fate was revealed by Bailey in a prison cell confession.
31:38Leslie Bailey pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Mark Tilsley
31:43and received two more life sentences
31:46in addition to the sentences he had already received
31:51for the deaths of Barry Lewis.
31:54And Jason Swift.
31:57One notable name missing from the charge sheet
32:02in the cases of Barry Lewis and Mark Tilsley
32:06was Sidney Cooke.
32:11The prosecution authorities were reluctant
32:14to rely on the evidence of one paedophile against another
32:20given the unreliability of them as witnesses rather than suspects.
32:28In relation to Cooke,
32:30there was a certain amount of circumstantial evidence
32:34that he was at Wokingham at the relevant time
32:40and was seen with Mark Tilsley.
32:50But the only evidence to associate him with Mark Tilsley's death
32:58was what Leslie Bailey said.
33:03And Leslie Bailey was not a man
33:06who the prosecution could conceivably call
33:11as a witness of accuracy and truth.
33:16His interviews were contrary, conflicting and extremely confused.
33:25He was simply not somebody who the Crown could offer
33:29as a witness against any defendant.
33:34Sidney Cooke certainly got away with not being prosecuted
33:40in respect of Barry Lewis's death.
33:46He also got away with not being prosecuted
33:50in respect of Mark Tilsley's death.
33:55I don't think that you can say that justice is achieved
33:59if men are not convicted of crime who've participated in crime.
34:0640-year-old Leslie Bailey was a member of a paedophile ring
34:10once described by police as perversion in the ultimate.
34:14He was serving life in Whitemoor for his part in three murders,
34:18including that of seven-year-old Mark Tilsley.
34:21Mark's father said today he had no regrets at Bailey's death.
34:25No, he got his justice served.
34:27If I had been found guilty of a bloke who strangled him,
34:30I'd shake hands with him.
34:33When child killer Robert Oliver decided to head for Brighton,
34:37Sussex police had just a few hours to prepare.
34:40They put him under surveillance
34:42and discovered him visiting arcades and children's libraries,
34:45but were powerless to act because he didn't actually offend.
34:49Campaigners believe he's likely to want to join up with Sidney Cooke
34:53when he's released from jail.
34:55Staggeringly, Sidney Cooke was released in 1994.
35:01When he was 19, he was released from jail
35:06and was sentenced to 10 years' imprisonment.
35:10He was a member of the Sussex Youth League.
35:14For all I know, he was a popular activist,
35:17and his brother Brian, who is also a friend of his,
35:21Sidney Cooke was released in 1998.
35:26The aftermath of last night's riot.
35:29Twelve arrests, four police officers hurt.
35:32A demonstration against Sidney Cooke degenerated into thugs throwing petrol bombs and bricks.
35:38Cooke has been under police protection somewhere in the West Country since he was released from prison.
35:45There was a very real anxiety that if Sidney Cooke were released
35:50he might well return to the sort of activity that had resulted in the death of Jason Swift, Mark Tildesley and Barry Lewis.
36:01Cooke must never repeat these offences with other children.
36:21Britain's most notorious child killer. On Monday he'll be free and on the streets.
36:28Campaigners gathered in quiet vigil outside Wandsworth Prison tonight,
36:32angered by the release of paedophile Sidney Cooke.
36:35They say he's still a threat to children and could re-offend.
36:40Of course they're going to come out halfway through. Good behaviour.
36:44Justice is not getting served for people who take lives away.
36:50It wasn't served. At all.
36:55The object of any punishment in cases like this is not only punishment of the guilty but also preventative.
37:07Those who interfere and abuse children, they almost speak a different language.
37:12Their one interest is children and sex with children.
37:18And they have a means of communicating with each other and they trade children.
37:25They'll pass on children.
37:27What do you do with these people? And what do you do with them?
37:30Well in his case it worked out very well because he ended up being back at court again.
37:37Thankfully he was charged with historic sex crimes and was sent back to prison where he remains to this day.
37:50The fact that Cooke was sent to prison for life is some compensation, to me at least,
37:59for the fact that justice was not done in the case of Barry Lewis and Mark Tilsley.
38:09Cooke got his just desserts.
38:13Barry Lewis and Mark Tilsley, as far as you could say, was satisfactorily concluded
38:21but whether others remained unresolved and undetected is a matter for conjecture.
38:29If you look at it on a worldwide basis, this sort of thing will continue to carry on.
38:39The gang has been linked to paedophile networks.
38:44Police uncovered this web of abuse taking place on a very widespread scale.
38:52In London, across the UK, in Europe.
38:58It is beyond doubt that the deaths of the three boys is not the end of the story.
39:05Eight-year-old Vishal Mehrotra had vanished while going to buy sweets near his home in Putney.
39:13Vishal's partial remains were found in a shallow grave in a field in rural Sussex.
39:18No one has ever been charged in connection with his death.
39:23It raises further questions about potential links between Vishal's death and the killings carried out by Sidney Cooke's gang.
39:30The gang that was responsible for the deaths of Jason Swift, Barry Lewis and Mark Tilsley
39:39were linked to the disappearance of other boys.
39:46The evidence against them in some of these cases is reasonably strong.
39:53In other cases, less so.
39:56Detectives are convinced at least one boy, and probably many more, were abused at these blocks of flats.
40:03Dolphin Square is close to Westminster, and over the years, many MPs have lived here.
40:09This is just part of a much bigger investigation into historical sex abuse,
40:14which began with inquiries at Elm House, a former B&B in South London.
40:19When cases like these emerge, it's inevitable that the gang is linked.
40:25It's inevitable that conspiracy theories will surround them in many ways.
40:31Rumours existed of paedophile gangs being linked to establishment figures, people in positions of power,
40:39but there is just not the evidence to support that.
40:47Visiting Jason's grave was heartbreaking.
40:51Joan's now been laid to rest with her son Jason, and they're together again now.
40:59It's heartbreaking because he's gone out and he's never come back.
41:07I remember Mark every time I drive to Wokingham. It's three miles from here.
41:13That's where I played with him. That's where he was taken.
41:16There's not a day I go into Wokingham that I don't think of Mark.
41:20And what really is the most horrible thing, I think,
41:24and the whole thing is that Mark's body has never been found.
41:28That was the last day anyone ever saw Mark.
41:47Chris and I became a couple in 1989.
41:51He had a stroke in 2015.
41:55A very severe stroke. He was left in bedbound.
41:59He can't talk now much because of the stroke.
42:03He just wants closure to find out where his brother is.
42:07We wrote a few letters to Sydney Cork over the years.
42:10But he won't disclose where Mark is.
42:14Hopefully we can find Mark and find his body before anything happens to Chris.
42:21To know that Mark has been buried with his mum and dad.
42:29Sydney Cork inflicted pain and suffering on families and loved ones.
42:35Sydney Cork inflicted pain and suffering on families without a second thought.
42:44Despite the fact that he will never be released from prison,
42:49has consistently refused to end the suffering of the Tildesley family
42:54and reveal where that boy's body was buried.
43:00And that indicates an evil person.
43:11I was in no doubt that if we hadn't secured the convictions we did against those people,
43:18they would have gone on and killed other children.
43:22After 40 years, so to miss up is really quite difficult.
43:27I wake up in the middle of the night thinking about it now, which I'd rather not do.
43:34Jason was lured into what he did.
43:38The little six year old boy, Barry Lewis, who was taken off the streets.
43:45Sydney Cork, he's in the right place.
43:48And lots and lots of children are safer for that fact.
43:52Having practiced at the criminal bar for 40 years,
43:58I have absolutely no doubt that some people are evil.
44:05Whether they're born evil or whether they become evil.
44:11I don't think that Cork is a person of lesser evil than Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were.
44:21There is wickedness.