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00:00:00Good day, dear viewers, today I thought of something a little different.
00:00:29There are no guests in the show.
00:00:32And what now?
00:00:34The editorial board of the show has decided on a,
00:00:36well, we'll see an experiment,
00:00:38I have the permission of all the editors for that experiment,
00:00:41we'll see how it will end.
00:00:43There are no intermediaries between you and me, but what are we going to do?
00:00:46Today I will read you the Constitution of the Republic of Croatia.
00:00:50The Constitution of the Republic of Croatia has about 130-140 articles,
00:00:56the highest legal act of this country.
00:01:00What do I know? It's quite important.
00:01:02None of you have probably read it.
00:01:04Not even me.
00:01:06Today we did an experiment.
00:01:08The Constitution can be read in about an hour.
00:01:12Those who have a DVD recorder, VHS recorder,
00:01:15and want to have the Constitution on DVD,
00:01:17can record this show, and that would be about it.
00:01:20I'll get going.
00:01:23I hope you won't be bored.
00:01:26We'll skip the basics,
00:01:29because that would take about an hour and ten minutes.
00:01:32We'll start with the basic rules.
00:01:34Article 1.
00:01:37The Republic of Croatia is a unique, indivisible, democratic and social state.
00:01:42In the Republic of Croatia, the government originates from the people,
00:01:46and belongs to the people as a community of free and equal citizens.
00:01:51The people form the government by the choice of their representatives
00:01:54and direct decisions.
00:01:56Article 2.
00:01:59The sovereignty of the Republic of Croatia is indivisible, indivisible and indivisible.
00:02:03The sovereignty of the Republic of Croatia
00:02:05extends over the Dnieper Basin,
00:02:08rivers, lakes, ditches,
00:02:11inland seawater, the territorial sea,
00:02:14and the airspace above these areas.
00:02:19The Republic of Croatia establishes,
00:02:21in accordance with international law,
00:02:23the sovereign right and jurisdiction in marine areas,
00:02:26and in the sub-sea and the Adriatic Sea,
00:02:28outside the state area, to the border with the neighbors.
00:02:31That is, for example, current.
00:02:33The Croatian Parliament or the people,
00:02:35directly or independently, in accordance with the Constitution and Law,
00:02:38decides.
00:02:39Article 3.
00:02:40On the establishment of economic, legal and political relations in the Republic of Croatia.
00:02:44On the preservation of natural and cultural wealth and the use of it.
00:02:48On the association with other states.
00:02:51And on the association with other states, the Republic of Croatia
00:02:53establishes, while maintaining the sovereign right to decide
00:02:57about the transfered powers and the right to freely withdraw from them.
00:03:01Then we go to Article 3.
00:03:04Freedom, equality, national equality and equality of labor,
00:03:08peacekeeping, social justice,
00:03:11respect for human rights,
00:03:13inviolability of property,
00:03:15conservation of nature and human environment,
00:03:17rule of law and democratic multilateral system,
00:03:21the highest value of the Constitutional Order of the Republic of Croatia,
00:03:25and the basis for the interpretation of the Constitution.
00:03:28Now it's Article 4.
00:03:30But before we read Article 4,
00:03:33I will still announce a guest,
00:03:36who is still with us today.
00:03:39Let me say, I was kidding a little introductory.
00:03:42Actor and director, what else to say.
00:03:46Filip Šovagović, good day, welcome.
00:03:48Good day.
00:03:50I read the Constitution for a simple reason.
00:03:54You have an intention, I read somewhere,
00:03:58what is with the Constitution? Tell me.
00:04:03We had, the first idea was,
00:04:06I think it was the idea
00:04:09of closing the last number of the Feral Tribune.
00:04:14Džikić and Lasić participated,
00:04:17the three of us,
00:04:19I think he was still immune.
00:04:22We read the first paragraph,
00:04:24the state protects the motherhood.
00:04:26A friend got divorced,
00:04:28he wanted to keep his child.
00:04:31However, we realized that
00:04:33it could be 0.1 percent.
00:04:36Don't mention the father.
00:04:38Yes, 0.1 percent.
00:04:40In some cases, it is possible
00:04:42that the child belongs to the father.
00:04:44I don't think it's important now,
00:04:46but that's where we started from.
00:04:48Now we are mainly standing.
00:04:50What did you want to do with him?
00:04:52Music, art?
00:04:54We wanted to make an illustration
00:04:56of each of those members, visually.
00:04:59We have some characters,
00:05:01we have a judge who judges.
00:05:03I know specifically,
00:05:05that picture was,
00:05:07I don't know,
00:05:09the husband is leaving,
00:05:11we don't know why.
00:05:13The judge is judging,
00:05:15who belongs to the children.
00:05:17He has 18 children,
00:05:19and the father is doing only one.
00:05:22He is arguing about one child,
00:05:25and you can't get that one child.
00:05:28It's like prejudice.
00:05:30This can be inspired.
00:05:32You mentioned motherhood.
00:05:34I, for example,
00:05:36I applied for constitutional rights.
00:05:38I got three, but I didn't know.
00:05:40I forgot that one of the highest
00:05:42constitutional values is peacekeeping.
00:05:44Yes.
00:05:46I completely forgot that.
00:05:48What I want to ask you,
00:05:50how would you put local,
00:05:52local, regional, self-government,
00:05:54artistic frameworks,
00:05:56or international agreements?
00:05:58Maybe that would be more interesting.
00:06:00Listen, we are trying,
00:06:02we are asking where there is justice.
00:06:04What are the laws,
00:06:06where are they valid,
00:06:08where are they not valid,
00:06:10where are they broken?
00:06:12Where are they broken in the interest
00:06:14of some higher goals,
00:06:16in the interest of the state?
00:06:18Where are they broken
00:06:20with some small interests?
00:06:22There are a number of paradoxical situations.
00:06:24I have no idea.
00:06:26If the laws determine society
00:06:28for a long time,
00:06:30and since we know some facts
00:06:32from history,
00:06:34then you will see that those laws,
00:06:36I don't know,
00:06:3850, 60, 70, 80 years ago,
00:06:40in Zagreb were...
00:06:42I don't have to tell you
00:06:44what they were like.
00:06:48Okay, laws change,
00:06:50morals change.
00:06:52We are subject to those changes.
00:06:54But,
00:06:56I called you actually,
00:06:58the reason was the premiere.
00:07:00Yes, in 2001.
00:07:02How did you experience the premiere?
00:07:04I won't ask you if you are satisfied
00:07:06with the show or not,
00:07:08but what is going on in your head?
00:07:10We are tired.
00:07:12I am tired.
00:07:14I have to thank everyone
00:07:16who made that show.
00:07:18We had a million problems,
00:07:20more like technical problems.
00:07:22We tried to make
00:07:24every single video,
00:07:26experiment,
00:07:28but it didn't work out.
00:07:30We had a lot of problems.
00:07:32But the feeling after the premiere
00:07:34was great.
00:07:36A day later we had a show
00:07:38where we thought we were totally ruined.
00:07:40And yesterday,
00:07:42it was even better
00:07:44than the premiere.
00:07:46When I say better or worse,
00:07:48it means shorter or longer.
00:07:50If we play a show
00:07:52for two hours, it's not good.
00:07:54If we play for an hour and a half,
00:07:56then we are good.
00:07:58And then the kids
00:08:00are not nervous.
00:08:02They watch the show.
00:08:04As long as you keep people
00:08:06in the cage,
00:08:08they go crazy.
00:08:10What about the premiere itself?
00:08:12How do you feel about it?
00:08:16I usually run from the premiere.
00:08:18I have a long archive
00:08:20of running from the premiere.
00:08:22Why?
00:08:24People congratulate you
00:08:26when you are already
00:08:28congratulating yourself.
00:08:30Especially when you are an author.
00:08:32When you announced the end
00:08:34of the story,
00:08:36then you have a chance
00:08:38to go somewhere
00:08:40and have a drink.
00:08:42These are three phases for me.
00:08:44I don't know.
00:08:46The day before the premiere
00:08:48in a conservative sense,
00:08:50will last
00:08:52until the show is over.
00:08:56Either I finished the project
00:08:58or I'm in the middle of it.
00:09:00So, the congratulations
00:09:02are very important.
00:09:04Do you think people are sincere?
00:09:06I believe they are.
00:09:08But it's also a process
00:09:10that you have to go through.
00:09:12After the premiere,
00:09:14you have to congratulate people.
00:09:16I don't see a reason.
00:09:18The shows at the premiere
00:09:20are usually 10, 15,
00:09:2220 shows.
00:09:24Usually, it's 20.
00:09:26It's considered
00:09:28that either the show
00:09:30is over
00:09:32or it's over.
00:09:34After the premiere,
00:09:36you go to the Swedish table.
00:09:38What's your relationship
00:09:40with the Swedish table?
00:09:42The Swedish table...
00:09:44It's a protocol.
00:09:46I don't know.
00:09:48I don't want to parody
00:09:50the situation.
00:09:52People will get mad at me.
00:09:54The Swedes won't.
00:09:56They consider it
00:09:58their cultural heritage.
00:10:00You can talk about the table.
00:10:02I started working on
00:10:04a bigger topic.
00:10:06The Swedish table
00:10:08was shot in the legs
00:10:10during the premiere.
00:10:12I can't reveal the content.
00:10:14My goal...
00:10:16After the premiere,
00:10:18I read in the press release
00:10:20that you criticized
00:10:22Šovagović for being
00:10:24a middle schooler.
00:10:26Yes.
00:10:28It was without a signature.
00:10:30Initials.
00:10:32I don't know.
00:10:34I don't know who Žiuca is.
00:10:36I think he's a girl.
00:10:38He's a bricklayer.
00:10:40Žiuca should be a bricklayer.
00:10:42Listen,
00:10:44I'm glad he realized
00:10:46that he's a middle schooler.
00:10:48When you look at the audience
00:10:50in the theatres,
00:10:52people hate theatres
00:10:54because in the theatres
00:10:56people scream
00:10:58from the fifth rows.
00:11:00Acoustic theatres are bad.
00:11:02Do you have a lot of screams?
00:11:04Well,
00:11:06we're trained
00:11:08in the old dramaturgy.
00:11:10The problem of acting,
00:11:12the director,
00:11:14and everything else
00:11:16comes from that.
00:11:18In a contemporary text,
00:11:20you need to have
00:11:22contemporary tools.
00:11:24We haven't reached
00:11:26that stage yet.
00:11:28We've made a list
00:11:30of 10, 15, 20
00:11:32contemporary texts
00:11:34and I think
00:11:36a completely different acting game
00:11:38will take shape.
00:11:40Do you ever get annoyed
00:11:42when someone
00:11:44writes about what you do?
00:11:46No, I don't get
00:11:48criticism in a professional sense.
00:11:50I don't think
00:11:52you should think about it.
00:11:54But I like it when people
00:11:56criticize me.
00:11:58If it's something
00:12:00you do professionally,
00:12:02that's fine.
00:12:04But if it's about
00:12:06a private life,
00:12:08that's bad.
00:12:10That's great,
00:12:12but what if it's about
00:12:14middle schoolers?
00:12:16That's what the critics
00:12:18want to suggest.
00:12:20Middle schoolers are
00:12:22the only audience
00:12:24in many theatres.
00:12:26You used to have
00:12:28this system
00:12:30where people would come
00:12:32to see a rehearsal
00:12:34and then they would
00:12:36watch the premiere
00:12:38with Domjenko,
00:12:40the premiere with
00:12:42Paradomjenko
00:12:44and the others.
00:12:46And then
00:12:48after 10 performances
00:12:50the audience
00:12:52would come
00:12:54and then they would
00:12:56enter the school
00:12:58and judge the performances.
00:13:00But you said you didn't want
00:13:02to mention SIS four times
00:13:04so that they wouldn't
00:13:06insult middle schoolers.
00:13:08Middle schoolers are geniuses.
00:13:10They are a hundred times
00:13:12better than any other audience.
00:13:14They react instinctively
00:13:16and it's funny.
00:13:18There are always
00:13:20more enthusiasts
00:13:22and it's funnier.
00:13:24The same thing is funnier
00:13:26to middle schoolers three times
00:13:28than it is to you or me.
00:13:30When I ask you
00:13:32do you care what the critics say
00:13:34or do you care what other people
00:13:36think about you?
00:13:38Do you pay attention
00:13:40to that?
00:13:42How do you look
00:13:44at other people's opinions
00:13:46about you?
00:13:48I don't know.
00:13:50You can't trust
00:13:52too much.
00:13:54Especially when you
00:13:56deal with such situations.
00:13:58It's a collective work
00:14:00and on the other hand
00:14:02you have to succeed.
00:14:04It's like your idea.
00:14:06If you start somewhere
00:14:08and finish somewhere else
00:14:10and you are not the only one
00:14:12to blame,
00:14:14then you come to the end
00:14:16and you are disappointed.
00:14:18I have trusted people
00:14:20much more
00:14:22when it comes to
00:14:24suggestions.
00:14:26Do it this way or that way.
00:14:28Do you care
00:14:30what other people
00:14:32think about you?
00:14:34I don't know.
00:14:36I was a patient
00:14:38for a long time.
00:14:40People
00:14:42are screaming for you
00:14:44on the streets.
00:14:46I was in a couple of situations
00:14:48where I had to pay
00:14:50to drunk people
00:14:52but I didn't do it.
00:14:54What did they throw at you?
00:14:56When they throw
00:14:58in your ass it's ok
00:15:00but when they throw
00:15:02in your ass monkeys,
00:15:04then it's really
00:15:06unpleasant.
00:15:08There were only a few
00:15:10situations like that.
00:15:12You can't rely on
00:15:14what people think about you.
00:15:16Maybe until 18, 19,
00:15:1825, 33 years old.
00:15:20I'm too old now.
00:15:22There was a guy
00:15:24who made an ad
00:15:26for you.
00:15:286 minutes
00:15:30and 30 seconds.
00:15:48It was impossible
00:15:50to get to Filip Šovagović
00:15:52As he says himself,
00:15:54he has a lot of unanswered calls,
00:15:56he doesn't eat, he doesn't sleep,
00:15:58all because of Ilijada.
00:16:08Ilijada 2001 is
00:16:10Šovagović's original play.
00:16:12He directed it, he acted in it,
00:16:14although he shared
00:16:16how it was published.
00:16:18After the premiere,
00:16:20a friend of his will explain
00:16:22what he literally burned out.
00:16:26Dad!
00:16:28Dad!
00:16:30I got a D from math!
00:16:34Son!
00:16:38It doesn't matter.
00:16:40There were those who saw it
00:16:42every day.
00:16:46Look,
00:16:48it's simple.
00:16:50I really...
00:16:54I've known him
00:16:56since he was little.
00:16:58He had an embryo.
00:17:00I don't have
00:17:02any problems at all,
00:17:04but he has bigger problems
00:17:06than I do.
00:17:08Here's Čadež.
00:17:12He's critical.
00:17:14It means he'll be a good critic.
00:17:16What was he like as a boss?
00:17:20He was wonderful,
00:17:22and then he's wonderful before you.
00:17:26I heard he was hysterical.
00:17:28Atritical.
00:17:30Atritical,
00:17:32hysterical,
00:17:34post-apocalyptic.
00:17:36Filip as a boss
00:17:38is a weakling
00:17:40with authority,
00:17:42and that makes him hysterical,
00:17:44which I saw
00:17:46during rehearsals.
00:17:48But he's incredibly talented,
00:17:50incredibly charming.
00:17:52I love him,
00:17:54and I enjoy working with him.
00:17:56Filip Šovagović appears
00:17:58in the film for the first time
00:18:00at the age of 22
00:18:02because of Fabian's father.
00:18:04Why did you hit him?
00:18:06He's crazy.
00:18:08He can't bend over.
00:18:10A falcon is not a brick, Marva.
00:18:12How can I beat him?
00:18:14You!
00:18:16Your mother!
00:18:18For that role,
00:18:20he was awarded
00:18:22the best debutant
00:18:24of the former state,
00:18:26and then his
00:18:28shooting start.
00:18:30Begović Čuka!
00:18:34Begović Čuka
00:18:36A film by Marva Janković
00:18:38and Filip Šovagović
00:18:40What's going on?
00:18:42Nothing.
00:18:44Let me see.
00:18:46Let me.
00:18:48What's going on?
00:18:50Nothing.
00:18:52Let me see.
00:18:54Let me.
00:18:56What's going on?
00:18:58Nothing.
00:19:00You don't look well.
00:19:02He acted in more than 15 films and TV dramas, he was a star, and then he began to dream of his own performances and films.
00:19:18Soon his novel will be published, which was written in a similar way as Iliad was a performance.
00:19:25So, with a hundred different views, manuscripts, various vignettes, jokes, riddles, even some funny episodes,
00:19:37but again in a tone, one that is more, let's call it a very humanistic tone.
00:19:48Filip Šovagović is a strange plant. In public, he leaves the impression of a breakthrough in the world that he is not given anything,
00:19:53while in his dramas, written, now we can say, in Šovagović's language, he knows exactly what he wants to deliver to the audience.
00:20:00Whether it was the disappointment with the new Croatian state in the drama Cigla, the absurdity of everyday life in the drama Jez,
00:20:06or all this packed in black humor in his first film Pušća bistra.
00:20:10For a long time like this, I knew one like him.
00:20:13He is now the king of trash among kids. If he makes another film, a little more to push the boundaries further, he will remain a legend there.
00:20:22A little distant, constantly in opposition, but very emotional. That is Filip Šovagović.
00:20:28I remember a lot of those pre-premieres and general rehearsals, where we had a very good system,
00:20:34that we were encouraging each other, watering each other with water, throwing chips and smokies.
00:20:43Filip, I know that he would scream when I was in the final state of stress, so he would, say, turn me over from the chair,
00:20:51to fall, to come to me. And on that infantile level, our communication mainly developed.
00:21:01Filip and I were sitting on the weekend in front of Fabiana Šovagović.
00:21:10So, let's say, we were silent for an hour, and we just looked at each other, and then we died of laughter all day,
00:21:23but without saying anything at all.
00:21:28And in the end, is he a clown? Clown? He's a make-up artist, man. Look at his stuff.
00:21:33Malboro Classic, Camel Active, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:21:38I bought some old shoes, which are, I don't know, Dolce & Gabbana. No, no, no, no, no.
00:21:45He's not a clown, he's a make-up artist who pretends to be a clown.
00:21:49Tomica Čadež was furious, he said, we'll make you a Red Carpet advertisement,
00:21:59no matter how much they advertise another TV station.
00:22:02But we have to start with this last one. Are you a make-up artist?
00:22:06Well, no, man, I have a few things, and I keep them.
00:22:12I don't know, I've had these shoes for 10 years, and I'm always in this part.
00:22:19Whenever you notice that I'm in this part, you'll know that it's always the same part.
00:22:25Well, that's good, it's practical.
00:22:27It's practical, yes, but it's good.
00:22:29So you don't even worry if you can put it in the same place?
00:22:32No, I'm in different phases when I feel comfortable, for example, in this part,
00:22:37but I'm also in phases when it's hot, and I have to blow on my lips, and so on.
00:22:43Ranko Zidarić, you laughed a lot, you love Ranko.
00:22:48Well, we've been friends since the beginning of the year.
00:22:51His dad and my dad, they came together from the villages in Zagreb,
00:22:56and we came up with an episode, like when we were born,
00:23:00and they organized a party in Russia, the two of them,
00:23:07and Krešo Zidarić, plus Fabian Šovagović, my old man,
00:23:13they were going to sell it there, and they were going to come to the warehouse,
00:23:17where they were going to make those slippers,
00:23:19and they were going to steal those grandmothers, because we wanted grandmothers,
00:23:24and not only did they not sell it, but they were also paying taxes,
00:23:28when they were coming back with those slippers.
00:23:31So, that kind of episode brought us closer,
00:23:36and we realized that our elders were terribly bad, economists,
00:23:41and that's when we slowly began to recognize the art that they carried within themselves,
00:23:46and that's where we inherited it from them, and so it was all logical.
00:23:50Ranko speaks Slovenian in the play, and now the actors in the play wonder why he speaks Slovenian.
00:23:56The director knows.
00:23:58Well, listen, it's like a documentary fact of the 2000s,
00:24:04at that time you had five or six Slovenians who were wandering around,
00:24:09and for me it was like some kind of inspiration, for some special reason.
00:24:14Well, I'm aiming to get out of the limbo, Slovenia is now our big enemy.
00:24:20How do you look at that? You acted in Ljubljana.
00:24:23Yes, yes.
00:24:25What do you think of all this?
00:24:28I did a show, you can see it on the blog, it's quite pathetic,
00:24:31but I don't know what to do with it, what to do now?
00:24:34Drawing constant borders, how?
00:24:36I would know that, like in an absurd theater,
00:24:39a guy would come and ask to sign these fish,
00:24:43which are under the water surface,
00:24:47and now, I mean, if it comes out of the truck, then okay,
00:24:50then we know for sure that these are Slovenian fish,
00:24:53these are the fish of Croats and Croats.
00:24:56But I know, since it's impossible,
00:24:59what we were talking about justice and justice,
00:25:02that's, what's it called, impossible, I mean, it's impossible to solve,
00:25:06so you have to let go of both sides.
00:25:10So we can't insist on that, they can't insist on their details,
00:25:16we can't insist on our details.
00:25:19But on the other hand, you're selling everything alive,
00:25:23and now, like, 3 amperes of water is a problem,
00:25:26I mean, I don't know.
00:25:29Actually, you can always expect the worst things from your neighbor,
00:25:35the worst things in the family,
00:25:38and all that you always brag about,
00:25:41that it's all sacred to you, and so on,
00:25:44and so on, and so on, and so on,
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00:28:20and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
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00:28:26and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
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00:28:32and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:35and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:38and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:41and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:44and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:47and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:50and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
00:28:53and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on.
00:28:56And yes, I conform withur relations,
00:28:59and I can easily say that...
00:29:02maybe I'm at fault for participating in this,
00:29:05because I'm combining some elements of fiction
00:29:08with some facts, and some facts,
00:29:11and I'm always losing this line,
00:29:14a suppposedly big one,
00:29:17so people think that these characters
00:29:20If you want to have some kind of a dramaturgical structure,
00:29:23then when my mom finds out that it was me,
00:29:26it would be hard to convince her.
00:29:29In 200-300 years, I will not be a witness of my life at all.
00:29:33This drama will certainly remain, at least 100%.
00:29:36You say that we are a small nation in Croatia that does not know who it is or what it is.
00:29:40What does that mean?
00:29:42That identity?
00:29:44Does that bother you?
00:29:46It doesn't bother me that much.
00:29:49It doesn't bother me at all,
00:29:51but I see that other people are unable to realize themselves.
00:29:55People did not realize that one idea can save them.
00:29:59Let's talk to you.
00:30:01How is it with you and the ideas that allegedly gathered you in your youth?
00:30:05Let's talk about ideology.
00:30:07What were you when you were 15,
00:30:09what did you believe in, what did you believe in when you were 25,
00:30:12what do you believe in today?
00:30:14I was a punker,
00:30:16then I was a pacifist,
00:30:19then I was an anarchist,
00:30:22then when I was 17, I was a make-up artist,
00:30:27then I was,
00:30:30I don't know,
00:30:32then I signed up for an academy.
00:30:35I didn't go anywhere,
00:30:37I went to every show,
00:30:39that's a phenomenon.
00:30:41Why did you do that?
00:30:43I had some administrative problems,
00:30:45I had some problems with some professors,
00:30:47and so on.
00:30:49I repeated every show.
00:30:51When I was 9,
00:30:53I was an actor,
00:30:55I was an actor at that time,
00:30:57then I was a director,
00:30:59I don't know.
00:31:01And these political and ideological decisions?
00:31:03Political.
00:31:05I read somewhere that you said that you were like a kid,
00:31:08like a student,
00:31:10that you had Yugoslavia,
00:31:12that you believed in PASTEK,
00:31:14then during the war,
00:31:16Croatia took you,
00:31:18then they let you go,
00:31:20and I don't know what else.
00:31:22Sadme, Sadme Drma,
00:31:24it's a circle.
00:31:26I have a book that says
00:31:28that principles are to be trampled.
00:31:30I don't know,
00:31:32maybe I'm doing it wrong,
00:31:34but I think it's stupid to believe
00:31:36in the same things all the time.
00:31:38What do you believe in?
00:31:40I don't know,
00:31:42now I'm making a movie,
00:31:44I have to believe in that movie.
00:31:46Now there will be
00:31:481 in 55 people
00:31:50who will tell me that the script is wrong.
00:31:52You have to change it.
00:31:54Now I believe in that script.
00:31:56I don't know,
00:31:58I was like...
00:32:00It was incomprehensible to me
00:32:02the separation of the Croatian
00:32:04from the Serbian.
00:32:06I don't know,
00:32:08it's incomprehensible to me.
00:32:10Separating the English
00:32:12from the American,
00:32:14it exists as a division,
00:32:16but,
00:32:18how can I explain it to you?
00:32:20There is a bigger difference
00:32:22between the Kajkian and the Čakian,
00:32:24but there is a smaller difference
00:32:26between the Štokian and the Serbian.
00:32:32So it's incomprehensible to me.
00:32:34It's incomprehensible to me.
00:32:36That language
00:32:38is already divided,
00:32:40graphically,
00:32:42there are other religions,
00:32:44but I think
00:32:46the words are,
00:32:50I can't say they are identical,
00:32:52but they are very, very close
00:32:54to each other.
00:32:56What do you say
00:32:58about that linguistic difference?
00:33:00Are you still
00:33:02living in that Croatian-Serbian,
00:33:04Serbian-Croatian,
00:33:06or how is it?
00:33:08Are you putting it on the stage?
00:33:10I was born in Zagreb,
00:33:12I lived in Zagreb,
00:33:14I was in the army in Belgrade,
00:33:16and I was in the HV in the Art 4.
00:33:18I was in two armies,
00:33:20and I can say
00:33:22that I am a deserter
00:33:24and a volunteer at the same time,
00:33:26in one person,
00:33:28in those different phases.
00:33:30I was in the army in Belgrade,
00:33:32I was an adjutant to Momir Talic,
00:33:34he is now in Hague,
00:33:36he finished as
00:33:38the commander-in-chief
00:33:40of the Serbian Army.
00:33:42I think that's him.
00:33:44So, listen,
00:33:46I don't want to consider
00:33:48the past period of my life
00:33:50that it was wasted,
00:33:52that I didn't learn
00:33:54anything from it,
00:33:56that I didn't experience any progress.
00:33:58This is a Yugoslavian way of thinking,
00:34:00I threw away
00:34:02half of my brain,
00:34:04after the event,
00:34:06I buried it
00:34:08in the middle of happy circumstances.
00:34:10What can you do
00:34:12with that half of your brain?
00:34:14Can you just remember?
00:34:16What does it serve you?
00:34:18Well, you have it,
00:34:20you have it, I don't know,
00:34:22history, look at history,
00:34:24you will hear it,
00:34:26it's a part of life.
00:34:28Yes, when you count it all together,
00:34:30you will see that it's a shame.
00:34:32Now you have a story about
00:34:34Dansko Kraljevic as a great hero,
00:34:36Hamlet,
00:34:38can you imagine
00:34:40the state of human rights
00:34:42during the reign of Dansko Kraljevic?
00:34:44It's all totally
00:34:46distorted, falsified.
00:34:48So, I believe in the future,
00:34:50I believe in opportunity,
00:34:52I believe in some kind of
00:34:54collective.
00:34:56Our terrible, great happiness
00:34:58is that
00:35:00we are such a small nation,
00:35:02that we couldn't, theoretically,
00:35:04commit a big crime.
00:35:06For a nation to commit a big crime,
00:35:08it has to be a lot,
00:35:10you have that Tiananmen,
00:35:12and one day,
00:35:14they kill 10,000 students,
00:35:16and it can happen in China,
00:35:18it's all together,
00:35:20how many are there, 20,000?
00:35:22So, I see that as
00:35:24some kind of satisfaction.
00:35:26Well, what about those small nations,
00:35:28the Croatian small nation,
00:35:30is it a Croatian schizophrenic nation,
00:35:32is it optimistic,
00:35:34is it pessimistic,
00:35:36it seems to me that it's very pessimistic,
00:35:38was there a reason for that?
00:35:40I don't think so,
00:35:42because, I don't know,
00:35:44we experienced euphoria,
00:35:46we got that as a state.
00:35:48Were you in that euphoria?
00:35:50Did you look at our beauty?
00:35:52I was in euphoria,
00:35:54but before, maybe even before,
00:35:56before the war started,
00:35:58when the war started,
00:36:00I was already,
00:36:02I prayed to God
00:36:04not to shoot,
00:36:06I was armed all the time.
00:36:08So,
00:36:10actually, for about 6 months,
00:36:12we disappeared,
00:36:14I mean, I wouldn't be allowed to say
00:36:16some things about this.
00:36:18Why?
00:36:20Because of some reactions,
00:36:22I wouldn't want to
00:36:24make some reactions
00:36:26and talk about them
00:36:28next year.
00:36:30Why, what are you, a conformist?
00:36:32300 people,
00:36:34so I'm holding a million things to myself.
00:36:36How can I make those reactions out of you?
00:36:38Don't pretend to be a conformist,
00:36:40I understand that you don't want to hurt anyone,
00:36:42but...
00:36:44Ok, I wanted to say,
00:36:46at one point,
00:36:48there was a stupid solidarity
00:36:50with the generals.
00:36:52So, when you solidarize with the generals,
00:36:54you didn't solidarize
00:36:56with the defenders.
00:36:58I think those two things
00:37:00can't be separated at all.
00:37:02So, this is first,
00:37:04then this is second.
00:37:06How did you, you know I'm going to ask you that,
00:37:08how did you, I didn't even think,
00:37:10how did you and your family solve those things?
00:37:12Your sister, she knows
00:37:14how to solidarize with the generals.
00:37:16Did you solve them at all?
00:37:18Or is that a topic that...
00:37:20No, no, we have some topics
00:37:22that we don't discuss.
00:37:24Is that smart?
00:37:26I think it is.
00:37:28That's what I wanted to talk to you about.
00:37:30So, it's all because of Anja?
00:37:32No, no, no, I mean, I know a million things.
00:37:34People come to me, I talk to them,
00:37:36I mean, people, I really don't know
00:37:38I really don't know.
00:37:40Today we met for the second time.
00:37:42People usually experience me like
00:37:44this is a writer.
00:37:46I came to Switzerland,
00:37:48I looked like this,
00:37:50I look the same now,
00:37:52and they say, you can't enter this country.
00:37:54Why? What are you doing?
00:37:56What are you doing?
00:37:58And now I'm an actor.
00:38:00Yes, yes, you can't be an actor.
00:38:02I'm going to Switzerland,
00:38:04you can't be this.
00:38:06And what are you going to do here?
00:38:08And I'm here like a writer.
00:38:12And now they say,
00:38:14excuse me,
00:38:16please, come in.
00:38:18And now,
00:38:20people are afraid.
00:38:22I mean, there are two dimensions.
00:38:24People are afraid.
00:38:26What are they afraid of?
00:38:28Your looks?
00:38:30No, no, people are afraid
00:38:32that you could say something against them.
00:38:34They are afraid that you could
00:38:36pull my hair out,
00:38:38and I would come home
00:38:40and write a novel about you.
00:38:42That's my goal.
00:38:44Yes, yes, for example.
00:38:46But people usually have
00:38:48respect for
00:38:50what we do.
00:38:52I mean,
00:38:54I'm not a serious person.
00:38:56I'm more into humour.
00:38:58Why do you think
00:39:00you're not a serious person?
00:39:02I mean, according to literature,
00:39:04it can be determined.
00:39:06One of your colleagues,
00:39:08Nedža Duhaznadar,
00:39:10I'm going to quote you,
00:39:12said, how can you do an interview
00:39:14with a fool like me?
00:39:16Do you really think about it?
00:39:18Or was it a way for you
00:39:20to jump into the sea at that moment?
00:39:22I don't remember that.
00:39:24Yes, yes, I think it was
00:39:26intentionally.
00:39:28OK, we talked about Croatia.
00:39:30Did Croatia finally
00:39:32become a country
00:39:34without guns?
00:39:36Did you say you wanted to live
00:39:38in a country without guns?
00:39:40I would, yes.
00:39:42I mean, it's going to be hard.
00:39:44It's going to be very hard,
00:39:46but it's a utopia.
00:39:48But,
00:39:50I don't know,
00:39:52religion preserves space.
00:39:54Ideas
00:39:56enter that space,
00:39:58destroy that space.
00:40:00The army guards the borders.
00:40:02If you have a weak army,
00:40:04you can't have
00:40:06a good barracks.
00:40:08You understand?
00:40:10What exactly is in Croatia?
00:40:12It's all connected to that.
00:40:14Tell me.
00:40:16Do we have a weak army in Croatia,
00:40:18and a good barracks?
00:40:20No, we don't have an army at all.
00:40:22Where is our army?
00:40:24So, the barracks should be good?
00:40:26Where is our army?
00:40:28Where is our army at the moment?
00:40:30I don't know.
00:40:32They are somewhere in Syria,
00:40:34in Afghanistan.
00:40:36We don't have an army at all.
00:40:38Do we have a barracks?
00:40:40I think the barracks have a chance.
00:40:42I mean, the barracks have a chance.
00:40:44In my opinion, they have a chance
00:40:46because they can take over
00:40:48from other media
00:40:50that are built
00:40:52compatibly with the barracks,
00:40:54such as TV or movies.
00:40:56There are some things
00:40:58in the movies that the barracks
00:41:00haven't taken over from the movies.
00:41:02There are some things from the TV
00:41:04that are good,
00:41:06and that the barracks have to take over.
00:41:08For example,
00:41:10like these drums.
00:41:12When you give the actors drums,
00:41:14they become completely
00:41:16different people
00:41:18than they were before.
00:41:20These are things
00:41:22that will have to change.
00:41:24They will change.
00:41:26When you mentioned the barracks,
00:41:28I saw that Vita Miralončar
00:41:30called her colleagues
00:41:32Goran Grgić and Mustafa Nadarević
00:41:34because of the soap operas.
00:41:36What do you think about that?
00:41:38Can Croatian people's barracks
00:41:40also be soap operas?
00:41:42I think they can.
00:41:44Is that correct?
00:41:46Are they humiliating themselves?
00:41:48Look,
00:41:50I don't want to talk
00:41:54about the barracks
00:41:58like most people do.
00:42:00What's good about the barracks?
00:42:04The catch.
00:42:06No.
00:42:08You, as a TV station,
00:42:10have a law to produce a domestic program.
00:42:12You will now have,
00:42:14as far as I know,
00:42:1648 barracks,
00:42:1815 will be the worst,
00:42:20and 3 will be good.
00:42:22That will have to happen.
00:42:24All those who are now criticizing it,
00:42:26while it is still going on,
00:42:28will slip.
00:42:30You have the same law in movies.
00:42:32That law doesn't exist
00:42:34in the prison.
00:42:36That's why the prison is a problem.
00:42:38If it's a domestic production,
00:42:40a domestic project,
00:42:42I don't care.
00:42:44When you mentioned money,
00:42:46the catch is also a good thing.
00:42:48The catch is normal.
00:42:50You mentioned here,
00:42:52I don't know if I'm right to quote you,
00:42:54that religion conquers space.
00:42:56I think so.
00:42:58What do you think about the church?
00:43:00What do you mean?
00:43:02Let's say,
00:43:06in Greek mythology,
00:43:08how many gods are there?
00:43:10About 80.
00:43:1280, right?
00:43:14It's not monotheism.
00:43:16Today, it's one.
00:43:18But we won't talk about it.
00:43:20We don't need gods, we can have a church.
00:43:22It's strange to me.
00:43:24It's strange.
00:43:26Is the church the one
00:43:28that brings faith?
00:43:30People say that in Croatia,
00:43:32the church is the one that believes the most.
00:43:34Well, it is.
00:43:36Because everyone else lost their trust.
00:43:38They lost their trust in their families,
00:43:40they lost their jobs.
00:43:42Did they ever have a church?
00:43:44I'm just parodying.
00:43:46Today, in Croatia,
00:43:48more people work,
00:43:50more people don't work,
00:43:52than they actually do.
00:43:54You know?
00:43:56They are forced to retire.
00:43:58I don't know how many people,
00:44:00150,000 people retired.
00:44:02Then they retired,
00:44:04like some political cadres
00:44:06of the 91st Duma Trust.
00:44:08Those people were 50, 55 years old.
00:44:10Today, those people are 70 years old,
00:44:12plus those who are genetically predetermined
00:44:14to be retired.
00:44:16So,
00:44:18people don't do anything.
00:44:20Half of the people
00:44:22don't do anything.
00:44:24They have a lot of time.
00:44:26The only place where they feel safe
00:44:28is the church.
00:44:30You can't deny that.
00:44:32I don't have time.
00:44:34I'm really
00:44:36I don't know
00:44:38if I work a lot.
00:44:40That's a stupid thing to say.
00:44:42It's a mental process.
00:44:44It's like a job.
00:44:46That's what I do.
00:44:48I walk on the streets
00:44:50and I walk on the streets alone
00:44:52because I'm thinking about something
00:44:54that is important to me,
00:44:56about something,
00:44:58about a scenario.
00:45:00I can't do that anywhere
00:45:02where someone sees me.
00:45:04I can't talk to myself.
00:45:06If I start talking,
00:45:08I've lost that idea.
00:45:10I'll keep trying to talk to you
00:45:12for the last 15 minutes.
00:45:14I have to ask,
00:45:16why did you avoid answering about the church?
00:45:18What do you think about the church?
00:45:20I don't know.
00:45:22You told me what other people
00:45:24think about the church.
00:45:26What do you think?
00:45:28You see where the borders are,
00:45:30where the fronts are.
00:45:32I know.
00:45:34That's a fact.
00:45:38You can't be a revolutionary
00:45:40and destroy everything.
00:45:42You can't do that.
00:45:44No one can do that.
00:45:46No one can do that.
00:45:48No, no, no.
00:45:50Revolutionaries eat themselves
00:45:52and end up in a sewer.
00:45:54Like bad chevaps.
00:45:58How did the war affect you?
00:46:00I had some hits.
00:46:02But more from the sound.
00:46:04I got some hits.
00:46:14And that top
00:46:16was stressing me out.
00:46:18It destroyed me.
00:46:20I have those hits.
00:46:22But I deal with them.
00:46:24We started playing punk.
00:46:26I'm raising the acoustic level
00:46:28more and more.
00:46:30It's a global boom.
00:46:32Especially in this show.
00:46:34What does it mean?
00:46:36It helps.
00:46:38Yes, yes, yes.
00:46:40When we talk about the war,
00:46:42you once said
00:46:44that you benefited
00:46:46from the war.
00:46:48How?
00:46:50That everyone benefited
00:46:52from the war.
00:46:54Absolutely.
00:46:56People who are emotionally handicapped
00:46:58didn't even feel the war.
00:47:00People who are
00:47:02hyper-emotional
00:47:04experienced
00:47:06a lot of problems
00:47:08in the war.
00:47:10The war generates
00:47:12problems
00:47:14not only for the generals
00:47:16and the defenders,
00:47:18but also for their families.
00:47:20The syndrome
00:47:22is a collective
00:47:24problem.
00:47:26If you have one syndrome,
00:47:28all the people
00:47:30are syndromed
00:47:32not because of the syndrome,
00:47:34but because of other problems
00:47:36they had during the war.
00:47:38Does Croatia need
00:47:40some collective therapy?
00:47:42It would be great
00:47:44if Croatians could laugh.
00:47:46Laugh.
00:47:48Forgetting is the strongest medicine.
00:47:50It's terribly hard,
00:47:52but some things
00:47:54can't be forgotten.
00:47:56But in the end,
00:47:58it will be the only solution.
00:48:00When you were talking
00:48:02about Croatia-Serbia,
00:48:04some of your statements
00:48:06could cause
00:48:08some people to vomit,
00:48:10and others could
00:48:12label you as a traitor.
00:48:14What about that?
00:48:16What's wrong with that?
00:48:18Listen,
00:48:20there was a letter
00:48:22from a reader.
00:48:24He wrote,
00:48:26this is Satan.
00:48:28This is from you.
00:48:30This is a traitor
00:48:32countless times.
00:48:34This is an Ustasha,
00:48:36800 times.
00:48:38This is a leftist,
00:48:40300 times.
00:48:42This is a conformist.
00:48:44So, everything...
00:48:46But a traitor hits you more than anything.
00:48:48Look, I can't be a traitor.
00:48:50I made this shirt.
00:48:52I don't have a computer,
00:48:54I don't have a clue.
00:48:56I'm half-deaf.
00:48:58I know, it's stupid to say it now.
00:49:00They're all going to fuck me up
00:49:02when they hear this.
00:49:04When Balada Petica
00:49:06and Kenan Puha wrote the shirt,
00:49:08they're as old as I am.
00:49:10I know exactly
00:49:12when I'm going to make another one.
00:49:14So, I'm going to leave...
00:49:16When I say it,
00:49:18it stays, it doesn't go anywhere.
00:49:20And now, if this nation
00:49:22or this country,
00:49:24or I don't know who,
00:49:26treats it as a traitor,
00:49:28then I'm right
00:49:30when I say it's all absurd.
00:49:32It's interesting, absurd.
00:49:34It's the last sign
00:49:36that caught on us.
00:49:38We tried to follow it,
00:49:40and now
00:49:42they're making fun of us.
00:49:44Can something come out of absurdity,
00:49:46out of paradox?
00:49:48It's complicated.
00:49:50You can't go out with a woman.
00:49:52You can't go out with kids.
00:49:54What's the biggest problem with women?
00:49:56Everything is a problem.
00:49:58Let's start with what?
00:50:00The motherhood.
00:50:02They're like...
00:50:04It's harder to emancipate them.
00:50:06I think that emancipation
00:50:08has already passed and ended.
00:50:10They don't rule anymore.
00:50:12Even now.
00:50:14Look at the slaughterhouses.
00:50:16Look at the equalizers.
00:50:18They've already broken through.
00:50:20They were threatened
00:50:22for a long time,
00:50:24but now they're shaking.
00:50:26It's shaking.
00:50:28It's a sexual revolution.
00:50:30I don't know what it is.
00:50:32It motivated me.
00:50:34But for me,
00:50:36in these environments
00:50:38and in these structures
00:50:40where I live,
00:50:42I don't see women being threatened.
00:50:44They might say the opposite,
00:50:46but I think they live
00:50:4810 years longer than us.
00:50:50It doesn't matter.
00:50:52Do you want to live long?
00:50:54I don't want to live long,
00:50:56but it confirms
00:50:58the fact that
00:51:00they're not a problem.
00:51:02You don't have a society
00:51:04to protect abused men.
00:51:06Yes, there is.
00:51:08Goran Cipar is the leader
00:51:10of the Ocev blog.
00:51:12No, they're jerks.
00:51:14I know that.
00:51:16They're very aggressive.
00:51:18I know that.
00:51:20But these things...
00:51:22We're an innocent generation
00:51:24that inherited
00:51:26the attitude towards women
00:51:28that existed before.
00:51:30Before, the attitude
00:51:32towards real women
00:51:34didn't exist.
00:51:36Do you think that
00:51:38punkers on one side
00:51:40and patriarchy on the other?
00:51:42I'm different.
00:51:44I'm patriarchy,
00:51:46but I don't have results.
00:51:48I don't have those results.
00:51:50I see a girl smarter than me.
00:51:52What do you mean?
00:51:54I see that she's smarter than me.
00:51:56I don't know.
00:51:58I don't know how to copy her.
00:52:00She dictates to me
00:52:02that I have to activate her.
00:52:04Don't forget that.
00:52:08I don't know.
00:52:10The next generation of women
00:52:12will probably be happier.
00:52:14A woman's revolution
00:52:16will probably happen
00:52:18like in Russia.
00:52:20I have to ask you
00:52:22about your relationship with your father.
00:52:24Everyone asks about your pride.
00:52:26How did he react?
00:52:28Was he strong?
00:52:30It was short.
00:52:32How short?
00:52:34One sentence.
00:52:36Was that enough?
00:52:38At that moment,
00:52:40I wanted more.
00:52:42But now I see
00:52:44that it's better
00:52:46to have less
00:52:48because you can focus on it.
00:52:50More is less.
00:52:52Yes.
00:52:54I read your sister's book
00:52:56where she writes about her father
00:52:58and she says
00:53:00that Fabian
00:53:02with all the strength
00:53:04that he had
00:53:06and the love
00:53:08that he had for Anja
00:53:10he didn't know how to show it
00:53:12to the children.
00:53:16Tell me
00:53:18if you want to talk about it.
00:53:20I don't know.
00:53:22I know that I was crazy
00:53:24about her.
00:53:26I know that she always
00:53:28asked for more love
00:53:30and only love
00:53:32she got on stage
00:53:34where she acted
00:53:36as her daughter.
00:53:38I played the drums at home
00:53:40when I was 10 years old.
00:53:46I was out of control.
00:53:50He worked a lot
00:53:52and I believe
00:53:54that his job
00:53:56was to run
00:53:58away from home.
00:54:04It was a short answer
00:54:06but I took it all
00:54:08and put a lot of love
00:54:10into it.
00:54:12I can't say
00:54:14that it wasn't.
00:54:16I think I had a very happy childhood.
00:54:20Your sister says
00:54:22that you always buy her perfumes.
00:54:24Why?
00:54:26I don't know.
00:54:28Don't lie to me.
00:54:30In one of your interviews
00:54:32you said that
00:54:36your sister can't tell
00:54:38how you smell
00:54:40and that's why she always
00:54:42buys you perfumes.
00:54:44You are really unpleasant.
00:54:46Perfumes smell to me.
00:54:48I don't have a book
00:54:50for you.
00:54:52I was looking for that book
00:54:54while preparing for the show.
00:54:56Anyway,
00:54:58thank you.
00:55:00Can I read what it says?
00:55:02It says a bit later.
00:55:04It came out yesterday.
00:55:06I know.
00:55:08I was looking for it.
00:55:12It was a short interview.
00:55:14Yes.
00:55:16What's next?
00:55:18Do you want to read
00:55:20a story by Harms?
00:55:22I don't know.
00:55:24I have a short one.
00:55:26Do you like Harms?
00:55:28Yes.
00:55:30If you like him,
00:55:32you can read it.
00:55:34An engineer set a goal
00:55:36to build a huge brick wall
00:55:38around St. Petersburg.
00:55:40He slept at night
00:55:42and calculated.
00:55:44Over time,
00:55:46a circle of engineers
00:55:48was formed.
00:55:50He decided to build
00:55:52the wall at night.
00:55:54We did it in the first year.
00:55:56Was it good?
00:55:58Yes.
00:56:00Do you want to give it
00:56:02to our viewers?
00:56:04Yes.
00:56:06The wall was built by
00:56:08the engineers.
00:56:10Thanks to their calculations,
00:56:12they managed to build
00:56:14the wall in one night.
00:56:16The next day,
00:56:18in St. Petersburg,
00:56:20the engineer himself
00:56:22was surprised.
00:56:24He didn't know
00:56:26what the wall
00:56:28could do.
00:56:30I tried to create it.
00:56:32Yes.
00:56:34Yes.
00:56:36But the outro is good.
00:56:38Yes.
00:56:40Let's not get into
00:56:42absurdity and paradoxes.
00:56:44Maybe something can be pointed out
00:56:46with absurdity.
00:56:48Is it possible to think
00:56:50in this way?
00:56:52No, no.
00:56:54We have to elaborate on this topic.
00:56:56We are talking for an hour.
00:56:58You have a 355th episode.
00:57:00We talked about everything.
00:57:02It's better
00:57:04if no one heard it.
00:57:06Why?
00:57:08There will be problems.
00:57:10I want to see the problems tomorrow.
00:57:12It won't be a problem.
00:57:14It's an experience.
00:57:16What about alcohol?
00:57:18Do you drink?
00:57:20We drink.
00:57:22I don't want to show you
00:57:24alcoholics.
00:57:26It's good.
00:57:28When you watched Zidaric...
00:57:32You have different phases.
00:57:34I think I'm dead.
00:57:36I really think I'm dead.
00:57:40People should be
00:57:42calmer in alcohol.
00:57:44Especially those who drive.
00:57:46They shouldn't drink.
00:57:50Why do you drink?
00:57:52Why is it good for you?
00:57:54Some say it's a drug.
00:57:56I read your statement.
00:57:58You say that you want
00:58:00every serious conversation
00:58:02to be thoughtless.
00:58:04It's true.
00:58:08You spend all day alone.
00:58:10Your kids are at school.
00:58:12Your wife is at work.
00:58:14Your mom is...
00:58:16I don't know.
00:58:18There's no one.
00:58:20You have to find someone.
00:58:22You can't be alone.
00:58:24You can't be like
00:58:26Ranka or me.
00:58:30You have to be with people.
00:58:32That's it.
00:58:36Big ideas came up
00:58:38at the bar.
00:58:40Big ideas came up
00:58:42behind the table.
00:58:46Big ideas are random.
00:58:48You just have to
00:58:50make sure
00:58:52that someone comes
00:58:54to your house.
00:58:58I met Abdullah Sidran
00:59:00three or four weeks ago.
00:59:02He drank all his life.
00:59:04He doesn't drink anymore.
00:59:06He's ashamed.
00:59:08He says that alcohol
00:59:10was a drug.
00:59:12Now that he doesn't drink
00:59:14he feels better.
00:59:18I don't know.
00:59:20I really don't know.
00:59:22I don't have a problem.
00:59:24Let's mention
00:59:26High Fashion Tension.
00:59:28What is it?
00:59:30High Fashion Tension
00:59:32is a script for
00:59:34movie number two.
00:59:36It's a sequel.
00:59:38Pusca Bistra.
00:59:40We should film it this year.
00:59:42Is Pusca Bistra gone?
00:59:44Or was it a debacle?
00:59:46We got the worst rating
00:59:48in the history of film festivals.
00:59:50You weren't happy?
00:59:52I was unhappy.
00:59:54But after 10-15 days
00:59:56I got over it.
00:59:58I realized that
01:00:00it was the way.
01:00:02I don't know.
01:00:04That movie
01:00:06hypothetically
01:00:08compared to other movies
01:00:10hypothetically
01:00:12can be
01:00:14accepted
01:00:16as good.
01:00:18If you watch it
01:00:20I've always watched movies
01:00:22directed by
01:00:24screenwriters,
01:00:26directors, actors.
01:00:28Bunuel's movies,
01:00:30Hitchcock's movies.
01:00:32No one has ever seen
01:00:34his first movie
01:00:36because it was hijacked by the tsar.
01:00:38His first movie
01:00:40was total.
01:00:42I went out with the movie
01:00:44but he couldn't show it
01:00:46because it was hijacked.
01:00:48Let me ask you.
01:00:50We have to finish the show.
01:00:52Will this second movie be better?
01:00:54I don't know.
01:00:56It's up to you.
01:00:58Thank you for hosting us.
01:01:00Thank you for your time.
01:01:02I want it to be better.
01:01:04I want it to be 1.8, not 1.7.
01:01:06Thank you again,
01:01:08dear viewers.
01:01:10It's all for today.
01:01:14You should've read Ilijad.
01:01:16You should've read it.
01:01:18It had a record of 11 hours.
01:01:20It was a record.
01:01:22I wasn't involved in it.
01:01:24I was doing one or two shows
01:01:26but I was there
01:01:28while you were reading it.
01:01:30There was one more person left.
01:01:32At the beginning, there were 40.
01:01:34At the beginning, there were 20.
01:01:36Filip Nola will tell you more.
01:01:38He was a direct judge.
01:01:40Dear viewers, it's all for today.
01:01:42Goodbye.
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01:02:14See you next time.
01:02:16Goodbye.