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"Govt Nay Constitutional Amendment kay liye kisi Bhi High Court kay President ko confidence Main Nahi Liya.."Shehbaz Khosa Revelations
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"Govt Nay Constitutional Amendment kay liye kisi Bhi High Court kay President ko confidence Main Nahi Liya.."Shehbaz Khosa Revelations
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00:00When you remove justice from the hands of justice, and make a supreme court a government institution,
00:10in which today's government will get justice of its own accord, then people will come to the streets.
00:16Lawyers will come to the streets.
00:18But even if this happens, all these lawyers will be on the streets.
00:22We are a free, self-governing army.
00:25We have not come here to enslave anyone.
00:27We are not living in palaces or apartments.
00:31We wake up in the morning and go to the courts for the poor.
00:34We go to the courts to get justice for the people who have been driven out of the state.
00:38If they don't want justice, if they want to be beaten up in front of the state,
00:43then people will get relief only on the streets.
00:46Mr. Shahbaz has joined us.
00:48Mr. Shahbaz, one thing is that before you move on to these amendments,
00:53I wanted to ask you a fundamental question.
00:57Right now, Maulana Fazlur Rehman is the focus of everyone's attention.
01:00There is a process going on.
01:02Politicians who can vote are being focused on.
01:05Numbers are being tried to be completed because they are stakeholders.
01:08But the legal fraternity is also a big stakeholder.
01:12Is the legal fraternity on board in all these matters?
01:16Is this process going on?
01:18Look, I myself am the secretary of the Supreme Court Bar Association.
01:21I have spoken to everyone from Karachi to Peshawar.
01:26No president of the Peshawar High Court Bar,
01:30no president of the Sindh High Court Bar in Karachi,
01:32no president of the Lahore High Court Bar,
01:33no president of the Islamabad High Court Bar,
01:35no one has been included in this loop.
01:38I am sure no one has been included in the other bars as well.
01:41Right now, their own legislators have not been included in the loop.
01:45Like you are reporting from the morning.
01:47Does the legal fraternity mean that you gather MNAs like sheep and goats
01:53and take them to the assembly and the government will go there and do as it pleases?
01:57Sir, you have said a very big thing.
01:59No one is included in the loop.
02:00No one knows.
02:01No one knows.
02:02No one knows.
02:03And the second thing is that what kind of trouble has come?
02:07Six judges have written to you that they are doing executive interference.
02:11They are making videos of them.
02:12They are entering the room.
02:13Did you legislate at that time?
02:15Did you give them protection?
02:17The people of Pakistan are shouting and saying that our electricity bills are not being afforded.
02:22There is one thing related to this.
02:23Mr. Shahbaz, I am sorry for the blunder.
02:25There is one thing related to this.
02:27Mr. Munir A. Malik says that
02:29he has been quoted that from 26th October,
02:32he will imagine Justice Mansoor Ali Shah as the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
02:37And the legal fraternity is ready to struggle for this.
02:40What is your opinion on this?
02:42Look, when this bill will be taken, then we will...
02:45By the way, I don't understand why they want to take this bill and do a controversial work.
02:51They don't have a complete number.
02:53The judgment of Article 63A is present,
02:57in which Mr. Bandyal and Mr. Munir made a very big decision on 63A,
03:03on which the election of Hamza Shahbaz as Chief Minister of Punjab,
03:08which you must have seen,
03:10the members of PTI were taken to the assemblies,
03:14and Hamza Shahbaz was made the Chief Minister by getting votes from them.
03:18When this challenge happened,
03:20the Supreme Court decided that not only this is a defection,
03:23but his vote will also not be counted.
03:25This is the law of this country.
03:27When you don't have a complete vote,
03:29how can you collect it like sheep and goats?
03:32Let's assume, Mr. Shahbaz,
03:34that if the numbers are completed in any way,
03:38after that...
03:39Sir, you cannot assume in any way.
03:41Sir, I am talking about the law.
03:43I am asking you the next question.
03:44Mr. Shahbaz, let me ask the question.
03:46Can this matter be taken to the Supreme Court for a strike down or a decision?
03:50The Supreme Court and Pakistan will still have the right to interpret.
03:54Yes, there is no doubt about it.
03:56There is no doubt about it.
03:58Yes.
04:11Yes.
04:29Yes.
04:37Sir, a while ago,
04:38Mr. Ali Zafar was with us and Mr. Asad was also with us.
04:41Basically, this kind of question was put in front of them.
04:44If at one time,
04:45these cases are being separated,
04:47where the legal cases are seen through a new court and a retired judge,
04:51and the cases of public interest are being separated,
04:54the burden of, let's say, the goodwill of the government is being reduced.
04:57So, don't you think that this matter should also start from the lower judiciary?
05:02Only the appellate tribunals will not be able to solve this matter in any way.
05:07Look, as you said in your program earlier,
05:10that this matter started from a report
05:13where the matter of 80% pendency was highlighted in the lower judiciary.
05:18So, this is certainly true,
05:20that reform should come in the lower judiciary and it should start from there.
05:24But tell me,
05:25that you are a journalist.
05:26In your case,
05:28can any outsider legislate without asking you?
05:32Will he have any idea what the problem is for a journalist?
05:35Will he have any idea how to solve the issues of a journalist?
05:40True.
05:41My first question to you was based on this.
05:44Were the stakeholders trusted?
05:47Which means the legal fraternity?
05:49Absolutely.
05:50It was taken across Pakistan.
05:52I have spoken to everyone on the phone.
05:54No one knows.
05:55If anyone knows, then they should tell.
05:58No one knows.
05:59No vague draft has been given.
06:01And this will be the first time
06:03where even the government members do not know what a vague draft is.
06:07Mr. Maulana is also asking for a draft through you.
06:12So, what kind of legal fraternity is this?
06:15And can such legislation be acceptable?
06:18Mr. Shahbaz, one more thing.
06:19This is a very thought-about process.
06:21Mr. Ashtar Wasaw was also saying this.
06:23This is a process.
06:24A legal process.
06:25And especially when there are such matters,
06:28there is a lot of deliberation and need to think about it.
06:32If the government agrees to this,
06:36or you are saying that there are no numbers,
06:38you mentioned 2007.
06:40We are all aware of that movement.
06:42We saw it with our own eyes.
06:44So, like Munir-e-Malik was giving India,
06:47should we be ready for any movement?
06:50Look, when you remove justice from the hands of justice,
06:54and make a Supreme Court a government institution,
07:00in which today's government will get justice of its own accord,
07:04then people will come to the streets.
07:06Lawyers will come to the streets.
07:08This is a bloodbath on the freedom of justice.
07:12And the judges are giving very open decisions.
07:15But they should, I am very surprised,
07:18that this government,
07:19either they see their government fading away,
07:21and they have made a last ditch effort
07:24to either destroy everything,
07:26and make their own government,
07:28or everything should end and we should also end.
07:31This seems to be a movement like this,
07:33because they don't have numbers.
07:34Even if they forcefully vote,
07:37they will be stolen votes from some other party.
07:40Mr. Shahbaz, there is one more thing.
07:42In the principle,
07:43if we only talk about the Constitutional Court,
07:45if we only talk about the Constitutional Court,
07:48do you think there is any flaw in it?
07:50In the sense that,
07:51let me ask the question, sir.
07:53One thing is that,
07:54there are many Supreme Court judges,
07:59and in thousands of cases,
08:00there are free judges.
08:01If we talk about the Constitutional Court,
08:04because if a case goes to the court,
08:06then a full court is made,
08:08a larger bench is made,
08:10then the deliberation starts on it.
08:12If a Constitutional Court is made,
08:14with the consultation of all the people,
08:16then will it work in parallel with the Supreme Court?
08:18What will be the procedure for it to work?
08:20Will it suit the existing judicial system of Pakistan?
08:24Look, there are many issues of the judiciary of Pakistan,
08:28just like there are issues of every institution.
08:30These issues cannot be solved on a phone call.
08:35On this, we will have to take all kinds of experts
08:37from every court and make them sit.
08:39And we will have to focus on this.
08:41How do we solve this problem in the cases?
08:46If this problem,
08:48the way this government is trying to do it
08:51by force and illegally,
08:55if they solve a good problem like this,
09:00that will also come under dispute.
09:02And no one will be able to do anything about it.
09:05Therefore, there are such institutions,
09:08even if they are good,
09:09they should be done properly,
09:11according to the law.
09:13There is a way of legislation itself.
09:15This is a regular process.
09:17There is also a way of common legislation,
09:19that it has a process.
09:20In that, if you have a month, two months, three months,
09:22then you just have to go through that process.
09:25And the power of dispensing that process
09:27is definitely with the Speaker.
09:29But that power is wrong.
09:31And if it is used in this way,
09:33then it will be wrong.
09:34And it will always remain questionable.
09:36It is not right to take a decision
09:38on someone else's back.
09:39First of all, this did not happen.
09:41But even if this happened,
09:42all these lawyers would be on the streets.
09:44We are a free, independent army.
09:47We have not come here to enslave anyone.
09:49Nor have we built palaces here,
09:51living outside and in apartments.
09:53We get up in the morning and go to the courts
09:55for poor people.
09:57And we go to the courts to get justice
09:59for people who are angry with the state.
10:01If they don't want justice,
10:02if they want to be beaten up in front of the state,
10:05then people will get relief only on the streets.