What is in the proposed constitutional amendments? Important details revealed
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00:00Yesterday we were very hopeful.
00:02What was the hope anyway?
00:04It was said that the government was hopeful
00:06that this table will be made, at the very least.
00:08And Maria was saying that this will not happen.
00:12So today, it did not happen.
00:14What are the chances today?
00:16And Mr. Sharmila was present with us.
00:18Very interestingly, she said that
00:20even we have not seen Musawwida yet.
00:22So then who has seen Musawwida?
00:24Thank you very much.
00:26Look, the world is based on hope
00:28and we should not give up hope.
00:32It is a very strange incident in Pakistan's parliamentary history
00:39that such a constitutional amendment
00:42which is taking a lot of time
00:44and no one has the Musawwida of that amendment yet.
00:48And yesterday you saw that 100%
00:50from the Law Ministers
00:52that I have also got that Musawwida.
00:54I don't know if they got it or not.
00:56Now you see on social media
00:58that there is so much debate on it
01:00which is obviously
01:02this is a Musawwida
01:04which the government has prepared.
01:06If all those
01:09are going to become a part of Pakistan's constitution
01:11then God knows.
01:13But tell me, Mr. Khawar,
01:14this is such a Musawwida
01:15in which the opposition members do not know,
01:17the government members do not know,
01:18Arkan does not know,
01:20the leadership does not know.
01:21Then after that, you know the legal fraternity
01:23that they are saying that we do not know.
01:25Then where is this fire coming from?
01:27Sir, I am saying that
01:29it is the responsibility of the government of the time.
01:31Because its proposer is the government.
01:34And the government has to get it passed.
01:36The government is sitting in the majority.
01:38And in the government,
01:40Mr. Sharmila was right
01:42that in the government,
01:44there is Zalawal Bhutto Zardari
01:46and Mr. Shalwa Sharif.
01:47And both of them, yesterday we were very confident
01:49that we will do it, there is no issue.
01:51The number game is in our hands.
01:53And that number game was going on at 11 in the morning,
01:55at 11 at night,
01:57then at 12 at night,
01:59then everyone had to go empty-handed.
02:01Look, I will come back to that question again.
02:03So far,
02:05no one knows what that Musawwida is.
02:07Yesterday, when it was asked
02:09that you give it,
02:11it was said that
02:13until the Kaveena does not commit
02:15a suicide on it,
02:17the Kaveena does not formally endorse it,
02:19before that, it cannot be made public.
02:21Again,
02:23it is very important
02:25for the government, for Pakistan,
02:27for the people of Pakistan,
02:29for the civil society,
02:31that whatever Musawwida it is,
02:33whatever you want to do in it,
02:35share it with the people.
02:37Share it with the people through the media.
02:39They also have an idea.
02:41Khawar, tell us one thing,
02:43yesterday everyone was very hopeful,
02:45Mr. Bilawal,
02:47his optics are very metal,
02:49he was coming with the language
02:51that the numbers are full,
02:53he was saying in the beginning,
02:55the sign of victory,
02:57coming out of Maulana's residence.
02:59But later, Khawaja Asif,
03:01who is talking,
03:03he said that
03:05Maulana Sahib did not agree
03:07with our proposal of reforms.
03:09Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidri,
03:11who is talking,
03:13when he was asked that
03:15it will take time,
03:17it will take time,
03:19it will take time.
03:21Look,
03:23I repeat my point again,
03:25that the reforms
03:27that have been made
03:29public on social media,
03:31or you are seeing
03:33on television screens,
03:35on the basis of the means
03:37that are being told that these are the reforms,
03:39they are such reforms
03:41that you need
03:43a lot of debate.
03:45It is not that you
03:47just shared it and then
03:49passed it.
03:51For example,
03:53there is a reform,
03:55Article 17 of the constitution.
03:57Article 17 of the constitution
03:59is about banning any political party.
04:01And the change that has been suggested
04:03in it is that
04:05instead of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
04:07the Federal Constitutional Court
04:09has been replaced.
04:11This means that
04:13a new constitutional court will be formed.
04:15Now, how will the chief justice
04:17appoint the new constitutional court?
04:19The Prime Minister will nominate him.
04:21And after that, the chief justice
04:23will decide on his own.
04:25So first, a full court has to decide
04:27on banning any political party.
04:29Now, this constitutional court,
04:31these four, five...
04:33And you think that the name
04:35that the Prime Minister will appoint,
04:37that is, the Prime Minister will have the authority,
04:39and it is obvious that there will be a way
04:41that he will be able to work independently.
04:43Then the question arises,
04:45will it be parallel?
04:47If a decision is made in that constitutional court,
04:49will it be able to go to the Supreme Court
04:51or will it be seen in the same court?
04:53And if the five-member bench
04:55sees this decision of the same court,
04:57then where will the intracourt appeal
04:59or the Nazr-e-Sani appeal go?
05:01There are so many questions
05:03that need to be answered.
05:05You have explained all this
05:07very intelligently, Mr. Shetty.
05:09You have made it very clear.
05:11So in that,
05:13I don't know, there are dozens of questions.
05:15I have seen a lot of things
05:17on social media so far.
05:19Again,
05:21all this will continue
05:23until the government
05:25officially
05:27with its stamp,
05:29the Prime Minister,
05:31a draft,
05:33they will not make it public
05:35that this is the draft
05:37that we are taking to Parliament.
05:39So far,
05:41Is there any specific reason
05:43why not to make it public?
05:45It is a matter of intention.
05:47This is what the legal experts
05:49have told us yesterday.
05:51If your intention is clear,
05:53if you want to work with intention,
05:55then there is no problem in hiding it.
05:57Because again and again,
05:59everyone is saying,
06:01give us the draft,
06:03put it in front of us,
06:05so that we can tell you about it,
06:07share our opinion with you.
06:09This is our opinion on it.
06:11And Mr. Khawaja, one more thing
06:13is very important.
06:15You see that always,
06:17one thing is seen,
06:19especially when we talk about the draft,
06:21among which only a few are
06:23adorned with media and social media.
06:25Mr. Arshad Sharif also used to say
06:27that the devil lies in the details.
06:29It is very important to see the details
06:31that what else is being passed on
06:33because that is very important.
06:35So this will also be something to see.
06:37See, one important thing in this,
06:39suppose,
06:41the judges of the High Court
06:43will also have
06:45posting transfer
06:47within the High Court.
06:49Another very interesting
06:51suggestion in this is that
06:53only on the basis of a source report
06:55a judge will be removed
06:57from the High Court or Supreme Court.
06:59Now who will make
07:01the source report?
07:03How will it be based on vetting?
07:05Because first of all,
07:07Article 209,
07:09Supreme Judicial Council,
07:11it is very clear that
07:13a judge is accused,
07:15he is show-cuffed,
07:17he gets a chance,
07:19he can defend himself
07:21through independent lawyers,
07:23but here it is completely different.
07:25The right to bail
07:27is being terminated
07:29according to the suggestions
07:31that have come to us.
07:33And the most important question
07:35that you raised, Mr. Takri,
07:37is that when you make two courts,
07:39one opinion is that
07:41the Supreme Court of Pakistan
07:43or the Chief Justice of Pakistan
07:45that is present at the moment,
07:47or this position, will be terminated
07:49because all those things
07:51will go to the Federal Constitutional Court.
07:53So then what is the status
07:55of this Supreme Court?
07:57There are a lot of questions
07:59about that.
08:01Who will head the Law and Justice Commission?
08:03Who will look after the Supreme Judicial Council?
08:05There are so many things.
08:07Exactly.
08:09It has been said that
08:11the membership of the Supreme Judicial Council
08:13will be increased.
08:15So whatever it is,
08:17whatever the government wants to do,
08:19first put it in front,
08:21put it on the table,
08:23present it,
08:25and then
08:27We were seeing
08:29that even Mr. Waleed Iqbal is saying
08:31that he has not seen the Constitution,
08:33the opposition has not seen it,
08:35the government has not seen it,
08:37the people's party has not seen it,
08:39then who is left?
08:41Thank you so much.
08:43Let's hope that the Constitution
08:45will be seen and presented.