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"Bilawal Bhutto Kisi Waqt Bhi Prime Minister Ban Sakte Thay Magar un Kay Walid..." Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain's Analysis
"Bilawal Bhutto Kisi Waqt Bhi Prime Minister Ban Sakte Thay Magar un Kay Walid..." Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain's Analysis
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00:00The question that is being debated is not whether the Ayni court is needed or not.
00:07The question is that the powers that the Ayni court will have, how much will it compete with the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
00:18There are very famous lawyers on this.
00:21Respected Muneer-e-Malik, you may remember him in the Lawyers' Movement.
00:26He played a key role in this.
00:28I think he was a lawyer for Ghazi Faisal.
00:33What is he saying?
00:34If this happens, what kind of problems will arise?
00:39Do you know what the situation is in Korea?
00:41There are two courts like this in Korea.
00:43One is the Constitutional Court and the other is the Supreme Court.
00:46One court gives a verdict against the other.
00:49The other court gives a verdict against the other.
00:51What happens is a paralysis.
00:53Do you want this?
00:55Don't we want judicial stability?
01:00Salman Akram Rai, General Secretary of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
01:04what is he saying?
01:06The issue is the intention.
01:08The intention behind making the Ayni court,
01:12we see some flaw in it.
01:15It should not be made and it should not be made at this time.
01:18Whatever arguments are there in favour or against the Ayni court,
01:22the Ayni court that is in place at this time,
01:24is purely on the basis of ideology.
01:26The intention is that the Prime Minister should appoint a new Chief Justice of the court,
01:32who has come before us.
01:34And that Chief Justice should appoint as many judges as he wishes.
01:39So this is exactly a kitchen, you can call it a court,
01:44that is being made at this time,
01:46through which the Supreme Court should be brought down.
01:49And all the Ayni-type cases should be sent to that court,
01:53which party should be banned,
01:55who should be punished by the military court,
01:58all this should be achieved through the four or six judges chosen by hand.
02:03This is the most historic moment in the history of Pakistan,
02:07which we are going through.
02:10Viewers, the other day, Fawad Chaudhary came to the program of Kashif Abbasi.
02:14Obviously, he has experience, he is a lawyer as well.
02:18In his opinion, if something like this happens,
02:21then the existing judges of the Supreme Court,
02:23may not be in this position.
02:25Should they resign?
02:27These eight judges, and if you include three or four more judges,
02:31they do not have a job problem.
02:33These are judges of international standard.
02:35These people will never sit in such a court,
02:38which will have such conditions.
02:40They will not sit in the Session Court?
02:42No, they will not sit in the Supreme Court.
02:44Even in the High Court, you will not find an honorable person in this system.
02:48So you are saying that the judges can resign?
02:50They will 100% resign.
02:52It is not possible to judge in this system.
02:54Okay, Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshan, the government is adamant.
02:58Earlier, you know, Pakistan Muslim League Noon tried.
03:01Now, Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, it appears,
03:05that he has taken up this responsibility.
03:08Now, some people also think that,
03:10you have seen that there is a lot of discussion on social media,
03:14that Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's days have been counted.
03:17And Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, he has come forward with his CV,
03:21that the Prime Minister tried to make an amendment,
03:26but he failed.
03:27So we will take up this responsibility,
03:29we will complete it,
03:30and then the Prime Minister's post,
03:33will also go to the Pakistan People's Party.
03:35Mr. Chaudhary.
03:38No, obviously, whatever majority he shows there,
03:41he has the right to make it a government.
03:43But the independent observers, the political ones,
03:46they do not agree with these things.
03:48Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari could have become the Prime Minister at any time.
03:52And if he wanted to become,
03:54his father would not have agreed at that time.
03:57Otherwise, it would have been better,
04:00if the People's Party would have made it a government,
04:02and the PTI would not have opposed it.
04:05Sooner or later, the country is going to move forward,
04:08and the country will move according to the law and the constitution.
04:11Through their desires and mischief,
04:16the country that is already going down,
04:19will not be allowed to go down further.
04:24This is my firm belief,
04:26and very soon you will hear,
04:28that whatever they are doing,
04:30will fall on their necks.
04:34Okay, Mr. Naqvi,
04:35the Supreme Court's Senior Penal Judge,
04:38who is going to be the Chief Justice in the future,
04:40Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
04:41who is in the Federal Judicial Academy,
04:42he gave an address.
04:43Yesterday, he gave an address there.
04:46During the address, he said,
04:48the information he shared,
04:50that I don't think,
04:51the next trial can be a trial of 24 lakh cases.
04:56This is what Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah said.
04:58The number of cases is increasing every day.
05:00The number of judges is only 4,000,
05:03Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
05:05Now, the question, Mr. Naqvi,
05:07is this,
05:08that we need reforms in the courts,
05:11we need them in the lower courts,
05:13we need them at the district level,
05:15we need them at the district level,
05:17at the provincial level.
05:19This is what was said in the Charter of Democracy.
05:22A while ago, you gave your observation,
05:25that if a legal issue arises,
05:28it seems that it can be solved.
05:31My and your opinion may differ on that,
05:34but which legal issue is pending?
05:37The Supreme Court's decision has come,
05:39in this regard,
05:40the decision of the special sessions has come,
05:42for 2-4 days,
05:43for 7-10 days,
05:44for all the days,
05:45the case has been heard,
05:46the decision has come.
05:47Now, by creating a new court,
05:50what objectives will be achieved,
05:52if you do not reform the courts,
05:55if you do not reform the courts,
05:57at the level of lower courts?
05:58Mr. Naqvi.
05:59Yes,
06:00I will talk about the decision later,
06:03I will say a small thing.
06:04If tomorrow,
06:05there is a resolution in the National Assembly,
06:07that Mansoor Ali Shah is the senior most judge,
06:11and he will become the Chief Justice,
06:13and he will be notified immediately.
06:15And this resolution comes from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
06:17and the Fidesz party also votes for him.
06:19So, should this happen?
06:20What do you think, should this happen?
06:22Whether this happens or not,
06:23Mr. Naqvi,
06:24it does not make any difference,
06:25because the law is very clear,
06:27it is the law of the land.
06:28It should happen, right?
06:31No,
06:32whether he does it or not,
06:33whether he notifies or not,
06:35the resolution,
06:36he is not in need of that notification,
06:39it will be notified on the 26th.
06:40Yes, Mr. Naqvi.
06:41If the National Assembly passes this notification,
06:43it does not make any difference.
06:46So, which National Assembly is this?
06:47If the members of the National Assembly are not authentic,
06:50then why do you all accept the decisions
06:52that are in your hands,
06:53and those decisions,
06:54I am talking to you about the opposition.
06:56Why don't you all accept the decisions
06:57that are not in your hands?
06:59So, this is a big question.
07:00Then let's talk about the decision.
07:01Now, let's come to the Supreme Court.
07:03Let's get out of the National Assembly.
07:04Let's go to the Supreme Court.
07:06A decision was made by the Supreme Court
07:08in reference to Mansoor Nashis,
07:10which the National Assembly,
07:12as of now,
07:13and the Election Commission,
07:14has still refused to accept.
07:17If they did,
07:18then it means that
07:19they are going against the Supreme Court's decision,
07:23which you can also call the contempt of court.
07:26You can't say that.
07:27This is what the law of the land says.
07:29Listen, what I am saying,
07:30let me complete my argument.
07:32Okay?
07:33Now, this Supreme Court has given one more decision.
07:35The one with the flag.
07:37The judges of the Supreme Court
07:39do not accept their own decision.
07:41Whether they are sitting in that bench or not.
07:43So, what kind of logic is this?
07:45The decision on the flag was not reviewed.
07:48No decision has been made on it yet.
07:50The decision on the flag is still pending.
07:52So, what should the Election Commission do?
07:54What should the National Assembly do?
07:55Someone with logic,
07:57tell me this.