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"Ham Hukumat nahi Hai..." Nasir Hussain Shah Kay Bayan Par Zain Qureshi ki Tanziya Hansi
"Ham Hukumat nahi Hai..." Nasir Hussain Shah Kay Bayan Par Zain Qureshi ki Tanziya Hansi
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00:00Shah sahib, Baitaj Badshah has gone for a consensus with Zardari sahib
00:04and if the consensus doesn't develop,
00:06Zardari sahib being the president,
00:08Bilawat Bhutto being so active with Zardari sahib,
00:11then this will be a very strange thing.
00:13PTI is saying that only talks are being held to develop the consensus,
00:18but PTI is not being made a part of it.
00:20Is there any flaw in it that Pakistan should formally contact Tehreek-e-Insaf
00:26instead of, like Rana sahib said,
00:28the opposition has to reach out to the government.
00:32You got the 18th amendment done,
00:34you got an exhaustive debate of 355 hours,
00:39you reached out to the opposition yourself.
00:41So is there still a flaw in reaching out, Shah sahib?
00:45First of all, we are not the government.
00:50We are not a part of the government's executive.
00:54Shah sahib, I agree.
00:56I'm sorry I'm cutting you short,
00:57but I'm saying that you don't even have a government.
01:01You're not the government, but...
01:03I'm coming to that.
01:05Look, the way this session was called on Saturday and Sunday,
01:10whatever was tried, whether it was done or not,
01:14the role of the People's Party at that time was to consult with everyone.
01:19That's why we were going to Maulana sahib,
01:23we were talking to Mengel sahib.
01:25I have a lot of respect for PTI's friends,
01:29I have a lot of respect for Qureshi sahib,
01:32I have a lot of respect for Pir Khan Wazir.
01:35But look, this is the only People's Party,
01:39its chairman is Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
01:41who is also going to the bar,
01:43putting everything in front of everyone,
01:46because we are absolutely clear.
01:49We are supporting what is in our manifesto,
01:53the constitutional courts for which we are speaking are in our manifesto.
01:58The age limit that we are talking about,
02:01to make it 40,
02:03that was in our 73rd constitution,
02:06which our martyr Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto sahib gave,
02:09which later Zia ul Haq, or Musharraf sahib,
02:13made it 40 to 45,
02:17and many other things were implemented in it.
02:21We are talking about those kinds of things.
02:23There are a lot of issues,
02:25on which we also have objections,
02:27and we have made it clear that
02:29we will not support any person,
02:33if there is any such person.
02:35But what can we do about it?
02:37If there is a discussion,
02:39then that is what we are doing.
02:41We are not doing it in secret.
02:43You remember,
02:45Why isn't the constitution coming forward?
02:47If the constitution can come in front of Maulana sahib,
02:51he is also saying that there was no constitution,
02:53there was no final,
02:55and the PTI is also saying that there was no constitution.
02:57The committee that was formed, 16 plus 5 senators,
02:59there also there was no constitution.
03:01Then where is the constitution?
03:03Yes, it should come there.
03:05Our position is that
03:07at least the committee
03:09should be brought in front of it.
03:11But there is a procedure,
03:13which is correct,
03:15which is that
03:17first the discussion
03:19or the parliamentary parties,
03:21their committees are formed,
03:23then it is discussed,
03:25then if there is a consensus on it,
03:27or majority is in agreement,
03:29then it is passed in the cabinet,
03:31and then it is laid down.
03:33This is the process.
03:35This should happen.
03:37Will this happen or not, Shah sahib?
03:39Because even now,
03:41if this constitutional amendment is put forward again in October,
03:43this means that
03:45before the constitutional amendment is put forward,
03:47this consensus should have been developed.
03:49October is just around the corner, Shah sahib.
03:51Yes, this should happen.
03:53I am just talking about one thing.
03:55Many of our friends,
03:57maybe Mr. Zain does not say this,
03:59but many of his other friends
04:01are talking about this,
04:03but they forget that
04:05during the PTI's rule,
04:07when such memes used to come,
04:09when a bill used to be passed,
04:11it was brought in such a hurry,
04:13in fact, many times,
04:15even the counting was announced wrongly.
04:17One time,
04:19there was a very strange drama,
04:21that the number announced
04:23was not even
04:25combined with both.
04:27And you are saying this right, Shah sahib.
04:29There was a factory of ordinances.
04:31Such things used to happen.
04:33It was circulated.
04:35At least,
04:37this is in the government process.
04:39If the number is not complete,
04:41then of course,
04:43efforts are being made
04:45to bring in Mr. Maulana,
04:47Mr. Mahindra,
04:49and somehow,
04:51such things happen.
04:53Let me come back to you, Shah sahib.
04:55You have raised two or three important points.
04:57First, Mr. Zain,
04:59you have been continuously smiling.
05:01You find all the government talks
05:03to be a joke.
05:05You are not taking anything seriously.
05:07Some say,
05:09no one has asked us formally.
05:11Some say, we should develop a larger consensus.
05:13Some say,
05:15we don't want to be a part of the reform.
05:17Some say, we are presenting our proposals.
05:19Tell me, what is the PTI saying?
05:21Anika, look,
05:23this is not a joke.
05:25This is a very serious situation.
05:27You are playing with the future of the country.
05:29This is not a joke.
05:31What makes me laugh is that
05:33the PPP has to decide now.
05:35Some say, we are not a part of the government.
05:37The president is theirs, the chairman senate is theirs,
05:39the governance is theirs,
05:41the government in one province is theirs,
05:43the government in another province is theirs.
05:45Interestingly, in this process,
05:47the power brokers have also become the PPP.
05:49Like Shah sahib is right,
05:51today, the pillar to post,
05:53Mr. Bilawal Bhutto is running.
05:55And where there is so much opposition
05:57for Maulana's eight votes,
05:59Maulana has eight votes,
06:01the PPP has about 60-70 votes.
06:03The biggest stakeholder in this PDM alliance
06:05is the People's Party.
06:07If the People's Party leaves,
06:09then they will sit for the rest of their lives.
06:11Agreed.
06:13Let's move on.
06:15Telling them that we are not a part of the government
06:17is wrong.
06:19This is a part of the government,
06:21this is a part of the PDM,
06:23and this is also a part of the 26th amendment.
06:25The interesting thing is that
06:27Mr. Shah says that
06:29Mr. Bilawal is going to the bar,
06:31but if Mr. Bilawal Bhutto should go,
06:33he should go to the Prime Minister.
06:35If he should go, he should go to the Muslim Noon.
06:37If he should go, he should go to the PDM government.
06:39And he should go up and say
06:41that we should not do this work.
06:43We should make this campaign public.
06:45We should onboard the stakeholders.
06:47We should onboard the legal fraternity,
06:49civil society, which they are not doing.
06:51Now, for God's sake,
06:53stop talking about the Ordinal Factory.
06:55Why should we stop?
06:57If we remind you of something bad,
06:59please let me finish.
07:01No, but what I am saying is valid.
07:03You cannot just brush it aside
07:05and leave the last part.
07:07I have two minutes left.
07:09I am not brushing aside.
07:11Anika, you are not letting me answer your question.
07:13I am.
07:15You are answering the question.
07:17Let me finish.
07:19I have two minutes left.
07:21Please let me finish.
07:23You are talking about the Ordinal Factory,
07:25which is the third party
07:27and the SADARTI ordinance
07:29that you are going to do this work.
07:31Please know this.
07:33In the 26th amendment,
07:35you are going to change 25% of your constitution
07:37into the fourth part.
07:39You are going to change the whole constitution.
07:41You are going to do this work.
07:43It cannot be compared with any small bill.
07:45But even that cannot be brushed aside.