Twisted.Twins.2024.S01E01
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00:00In 1990, I had heard that JC, a girlfriend at my school, had fled from Queensland back
00:25to Sydney. JC felt her life was at risk. After she had returned, I had been invited
00:43to a dinner. She was quite, ah, the word, I would say distressed, and what she said
00:53sent chills down my spine. JC and her husband, Chris Dawson, they had it all, perfect looks,
01:04family, perfect home. But she believed Chris had murdered someone, and she was going to
01:13be next. Nothing could have prepared me for what was coming. In the 1960s, Chris and his
01:23identical twin brother, Paul Dawson, they were both Rugby League players. Dawson. They
01:30were always together. They just appeared to be like glue. I don't think either of them
01:36ever became individuals. Knows to say Chris wouldn't fart without being told by Paul.
01:42We were treated as a unit. Everyone loved them. The noses aren't natural either. And then boom,
01:4840 years later, Chris Dawson is arrested for murdering someone. It was a bombshell moment.
01:56And this just blew up. Chris Dawson. Chris Dawson. Chris, are you feeling nervous? It's a
02:02case that's attracted a lot of media attention. Not just here in Australia, but around the world.
02:06All the focus has been on Chris. These two guys live in the same street. They moved to
02:13Queensland at the same time. They have the same jobs. But when one twin has been suspected of
02:19murder, what does it mean for the other twin? They went everywhere in stereo. You're really
02:26starting to see there's this question being asked of Paul Dawson. Are you going to help
02:31them find the body? I was working in a pretty heavy district of King's Cross in the eastern
02:55suburbs of Sydney. But in 1998, I was transferred to the northern beaches of D.Y. where I grew up at.
03:05Shortly after, I was handed a cold case with the words, missing person. A woman called Lynn
03:17disappeared off the face of the earth 16 years prior in January 1982. And no one's found her.
03:24And I was tasked to investigate. I said, are you kidding me? The possibility for her case to be
03:32solved, it's very, very small. But as a cop, never give up. I received a phone call from a person who
03:50was, for legal reasons, known as JC. That afternoon, she attended the D.Y. police station.
03:57JC was five foot six, slim, brownish hair. She had left her husband, Chris Dawson, on the Gold
04:08Coast in relation to some domestic issues. And then she told me. She believed many years ago
04:15that Chris killed someone. And from what JC said, I'm thinking it could be connected to this missing
04:22person case. I commenced an electronic record of interview with her. JC told me that she first met
04:31Chris Dawson whilst she was a student at Cromer High School.
04:34And what happened next absolutely floored me. Chris Dawson, he was her physical education
04:53teacher. And 33 years of age. I was cop smacked because
05:05this wasn't the first time I'd heard of Chris Dawson.
05:07Chris Dawson, he had an unbelievably identical twin, Paul Wilson. And they were, wow, gorgeous.
05:34They were models. Both of them were successful first grade rugby players, which is bloody good,
05:41right? But I think the fact that there were two of them, they had the world at their feet.
05:49They were even on TV.
05:54I joke that Chris was too stupid to find his way out by himself. I always have the stock of
05:59that because he was so stupid I had to push him out first.
06:01In the late 1960s, early 1970s, they were playing first grade. I was generally playing
06:11second grade at the Eastern Suburbs Rugby Club in Sydney. Paul and Chris would turn up at training.
06:19One would have a white sock and a red sock, and the other one would have a white sock and a red
06:24sock. They looked entirely the same and they swore that it was a pure coincidence.
06:29Tonight, for instance, I rang Chris up to make sure what he was wearing so he could tell.
06:33It was just uncanny.
06:35Did you try?
06:36Yes, very much. Both Chris and Paul didn't drink, they didn't smoke. The impression I
06:46had was that they were fairly much model citizens.
06:49Everyone thought these twins were super cool.
06:53After their rugby league career, they both trained as schoolteachers. However,
07:05something very sinister was going on between Chris and JC.
07:19Just through those trees, there's a concrete area. JC's group, they used to sit in there.
07:26At school, JC was his girlfriend. And that's the door that leads into the gym, Chris's office,
07:36and that's where I used to sit with my friends. JC would be sitting on Chris's lap and they would
07:42be mucking around, she'd be laughing. Then we were asked to leave and they'd shut the door.
07:47When the door was shut, my friends and I, we'd knock on that door and then run and just annoy
07:54them. You would see Chris Dawson and JC always together in the playground, hidden in plain sight.
08:04Her relationship with Chris was controversial.
08:07It just became our normal.
08:08What I was hearing was bad. A teacher was having an affair with a 16-year-old student.
08:17We're going back to the statutes of that era. And if there's some sexual activity occurring
08:22between a teacher and a student under 17 years of age, it was highly illegal.
08:28And it gets much more sinister.
08:31JC alleges at that time at French's Forest High School, Paul Dawson was also involved with the
08:37student. For legal reasons, she's known as Alice. So I interviewed Alice and what she alleged
08:47it was absolutely mind-boggling. This is some excerpts from Alice's testimony taken by me.
08:54She's saying in 1979, Paul Dawson was my teacher in health studies.
08:59In 1980, I remember Paul saying words like, I love you, when he kissed me.
09:06I remember the first occasion we had sexual intercourse. It was Black Friday in 1981.
09:12She would have been 15.
09:17I used to have a hit of tennis with Chris and Paul Dawson.
09:22There was a very significant story. We'd been again playing tennis and we'd finished.
09:29And Chris approached me and said to me, Paul and I, we're thinking of getting
09:34eight guys together and having a gangbang. Would you be interested?
09:38I was, the words I would use would be shocked and astounded. I politely said no.
09:52And that was about the last time I ever saw them.
09:57Alice would have been 17 at the time. Okay.
10:00What does she allege happened?
10:08She said they take her to the gym.
10:12And she said she was handed around to other men.
10:16To perform sex acts on 10 men.
10:22Yeah.
10:23Well, that just sounds entirely like the incident that I had mentioned.
10:32Alice said, look, I did these things because he asked me to, because I wanted to make Paul happy.
10:39Well, just as I thought this case couldn't get any more disturbing.
10:44Through the interview with JSC, she outlined an even more twisted picture of Chris Dawson.
10:51She believed that Chris killed his first life. To be with her.
10:58Her name is Lynne. And Lynne was my missing person.
11:04I said, you could easily get rid of me like you did her.
11:07That's explosive. This was suspicious.
11:19This is where I used to live. Only it was a little house.
11:23And went to Maroobah Junction primary school, which was down this way.
11:28Here's a picture. Chris and Paul are right down the front.
11:32And I don't know which ones which, dressed in the same outfits as usual.
11:40In 1955, when I was a teenager, I went to school in Maroobah Junction primary school.
11:47And I was in the first year of primary school, and I went to school in Maroobah Junction.
11:53In 1955, we were about age six. They were just two nice looking little boys.
12:01We knew them as the Dawson twins. And they were always together.
12:07Then when the buses came, we got up down at the junction.
12:12The Dawsons walked along that path.
12:17In step with each other. Looking like the one unit.
12:23The twins' mother was Joan Dawson. Really nice lady.
12:30I had an aunt who worked in the school canteen with her.
12:34And she was always quoting, Joan Dawson said this about the boys.
12:38They were just the princes.
12:40Why do you think that was?
12:42This is just my theory. I think boys were highly prized.
12:46Because they'd lost so many in the war.
12:49If you were a good looking male, you had even more privilege.
12:55Joan Dawson, I think she was proud of the twins.
12:57But maybe overproud, if there's such a word.
13:02But the boys could do anything.
13:04We were treated as a unit.
13:06On one occasion, Paul decided he wanted to go to the fete with mum,
13:09and I went to the pictures with dad.
13:10And we both had miserable times, vowing that we'd never sort of go separate ways again.
13:16A strong bond is not uncommon with identical twins.
13:20I have twin sisters.
13:23I always felt really interested in watching their relationship.
13:28They had this bond that no one else could really penetrate.
13:33We had our own language.
13:34And we had to go to sort of speech therapy at five to seven years of age
13:37to learn to speak properly.
13:38We could understand each other.
13:40And as far as we were concerned, it was good enough.
13:42The secret language between the twins.
13:44One of the technical terms for that is cryptophasia.
13:50That's not uncommon in identical twins.
13:54Raised in an environment that did not support their individuality.
13:58This is an example of it.
14:01You can see them sort of babbling.
14:02No one else would really understand.
14:06But there's an implicit understanding between the twins.
14:11And in fact, sometimes it seems like they know what the other is thinking without speaking.
14:19It's not necessarily problematic.
14:21But if you've been raised functioning in the world as a unit,
14:26then it can become problematic for their sense of self.
14:31My sisters, I would say that they have a very healthy balance.
14:36Whereas with these two, the Dawson twins, it doesn't seem to have been the case.
14:46There was allegation of sexual activity occurring between
14:49Chris and Paul Dawson and young girls.
14:57What I'm looking at is a statement made by JC.
15:07And she was in the relationship with Chris.
15:09Well, while speaking with JC, she basically told me she'd said to Chris when she was 18
15:16that Paul had cooled towards her.
15:20It was suggested that JC had sex with Paul.
15:24If that was agreeable, then maybe the relationship would be a lot better.
15:28JC told me a day or so later, the three had sex together.
15:33But this was just the beginning of the allegations,
15:37which suggested sharing sexual activity between the both of them.
15:41It was a normal part of their relationship.
15:43This Shelley.
15:44One of my teachers was Paul Dawson.
15:46There'd be times at the fitness classes where we'd be in the storeroom together,
15:51where we'd be intimate.
15:53Usually there'd be his brother.
15:55They were used to doing this type of thing.
15:57She alleges at that time that she would have been maybe 15 or maybe 16.
16:03And then Alice said something happened with her as well.
16:07She said Chris and Paul shared her at the same time.
16:13But for them to have sexual activity with each other,
16:17it would be really, really weird.
16:20What kind of expertise are you drawing from there?
16:28This is my identical twin brother, Matthew.
16:30Have you ever actively had a relationship with the same woman?
16:33No, no.
16:34At the same time?
16:34No.
16:35That's not a common twin trait as far as we're concerned.
16:38No.
16:39When we were in our early teens, we wanted to get away from being identical twins.
16:43So we went separate ways.
16:45This is normal twin behaviour.
16:51You can see from these clips, even in their adult lives,
16:54they are a reflection of each other.
16:57We function as one.
17:00But I think generally, twins need to feel safe to explore their individuality.
17:09And there is something about having a sexual experience that's forbidden
17:15to get you back in touch with your own power separate to your brother's.
17:22But then, in this case, their togetherness, I would argue,
17:27was stronger than their individuality.
17:30So did they come together and share all those things that's forbidden as well?
17:37It's a really complex question.
17:39If they did, how much of it is to do with the twinship?
17:42How much is it to do with opportunity?
17:44How much is it to do with culture at that time?
17:48We don't know.
18:01What's twisted about this story is that while all of this was supposedly going on,
18:14Chris and Paul had wives at home.
18:18Not only that, they have children.
18:21And apparently their wives were completely oblivious.
18:24As far as they were concerned, their husbands were squeaky clean.
18:27Did you find your brother-in-law's attractive?
18:29Oh, yeah, because, you know, it's like looking at another one the same.
18:33And this is where things have gone pear-shaped and gone south.
18:38Because on the 9th of January, 1982, Lynn Dawson had gone missing.
18:46And my superior, he said, I want you to go away, investigate this,
18:48and take it to the coroner to determine what happened to her.
18:53So it started from there.
18:59There were a number of police interviews with Chris over the years.
19:29Chris's version of the events was taken at face value by the local cops.
19:52But I had JC as a witness, and she told me she believed this is very suspicious behaviour.
20:02She never contacted the children that she just loved to death.
20:06Knowing how I feel for my child and expecting that she felt the same for hers,
20:10I certainly wouldn't abandon my child. I thought it was very strange.
20:15JC, she would also talk about experiences she had with Chris.
20:19He was getting physically violent, and I felt threatened a lot.
20:23And I feared for my life at that point.
20:27The alarms for me, they were ringing.
20:33What is your relationship to Chris Dawson?
20:37Chris Dawson is my father.
20:49He married Lynne, his first wife.
20:53They had two children, my sister and I.
20:57So Lynette Sims Dawson is my mum.
21:09We were still living in Sydney, Bayview.
21:12My mother left on January the 8th, 1982.
21:20I was four and a half.
21:23I don't have any memories of her.
21:25I have more of a memory of her essence, if that makes sense.
21:30I was quite close in my heart with my father, and my dad was heartbroken.
21:38After my mother left, dad and JC got married.
21:46And she became our stepmother.
21:54My dad, he was a good father.
21:57He taught us good manners.
22:01He often expressed that he was proud of us.
22:05He often expressed that he was proud of us.
22:08I absolutely adored my father.
22:13And at this point, if you were to ask, why did your mum leave?
22:16What would he have said to you?
22:18He told us that she ran off with religious people.
22:21She didn't love us anymore.
22:29Up there is the tennis courts.
22:31It was a common conversation that students had.
22:34We all believed that Lynne Dawson was buried under the tennis courts at school.
22:46There was so much gossip.
22:48My first thought was Lynette would not leave her children.
22:55He's done something.
23:01My goal was to find out what happened to Lynne Dawson and why.
23:12JC had told me in that interview, when she was 16 years of age,
23:18Chris suggested she moved into the family home as a babysitter.
23:23But there wasn't much babysitting going.
23:26When you first moved in with the Dawsons, how did Lynette treat you?
23:33Really well.
23:34You know, she made me feel welcome.
23:37But shortly thereafter, Lynne found out that there was an affair.
23:44Lynne went to JC and said,
23:46She said, you've been taking liberties with my husband.
23:49That's what she said.
23:50And that was the last time I spoke to her.
23:53Lynne kicked JC out.
23:57Well, you'd think that'd be the end of it.
23:58But nothing could be further from the truth.
24:02What I was told by Lynne's family and friends
24:06is that Chris had said he firmly wanted this marriage to work.
24:11He just needed some time away.
24:22But it was just bullshit because it's clear that
24:29Chris wants this relationship with JC to continue.
24:34This is a Christmas card he's written her.
24:37Do I love you?
24:38Let me count the ways.
24:40All my love forever.
24:42Happy 17th birthday, my little chickadee.
24:45Oh, these are just, they're kind of nauseating, aren't they?
24:48These messages convey his complete obsession with her.
24:57Well, after Lynne Dawson had kicked JC out,
25:00JC, she doesn't go back to her family home.
25:04Instead, it was arranged for Chris's brother, Paul,
25:08to take JC into his family home.
25:13Chris and Paul lived in the same street.
25:18On the 23rd of December, 1981, Chris, he picks up JC
25:26from the brother's house, Paul, and they head north
25:31to make a new life for themselves.
25:36And, you know, he said, we'll just make a clean break.
25:38And I don't know what he said to his wife or whatever.
25:44Do you think Paul would have known what Chris had been planning?
25:46Paul has a twin brother.
25:48I believe he's covering for his twin.
25:50So at one time, Chris was selected in a basketball team
25:53and he was ill and couldn't make it.
25:55So I stood in for him.
25:56No one ever realised the difference.
25:59Covering for each other.
26:00I would suggest that protecting the twinship
26:04is how they have functioned in the world.
26:06It's a function of keeping the unit intact,
26:10which is not uncommon.
26:12They see themselves in the other.
26:15So protecting his brother is protecting self.
26:20Chris's plan didn't go as he intended.
26:23Whilst driving up north to Queensland, JC, she got cold feet.
26:31And I was very sick because I didn't want to leave my family.
26:35And then we came back Christmas Day.
26:38This time she went and stayed with her sister.
26:40Chris returned home to Lynne and the two little girls.
26:46A couple of weeks later, there is an appointment made
26:48to see a marriage guidance counsellor.
26:52Lynne is the instigator of that.
26:54It's my opinion Lynne firmly wanted this marriage to work.
26:58There were some bumpy patches in the road,
27:00but she wanted them covered so they can continue.
27:02I don't think she would ever have left him because she loved him.
27:07Despite all the...
27:10No, even that.
27:12But I believed Chris's main focus was to start a new life with JC.
27:18But Chris has a problem.
27:20He was obsessed with her, but he could feel that she was pulling away from him.
27:26I didn't want to be in a relationship with him.
27:28I wanted to get away because I was just him.
27:42After school, JC and her friends went on a trip together up the North Coast.
27:52JC tells me she'll stay up here with her girlfriends from school.
28:00JC, she was camping with her friends.
28:03She was saying she wanted to break up with Chris.
28:06I couldn't get away.
28:08Chris Dawson is at home fretting over the possibility that this relationship may end.
28:15JC told me that Chris said he was suffering from hives,
28:19concerned about their relationship.
28:22If you think about that from the lens of the twinship,
28:24it's an interesting thing to consider.
28:27Chris and Paul, they only know the relationship that they have with each other.
28:32If you're then going to go outside that relationship and partner,
28:36because that's your model of a relationship, that's all you've known,
28:39you're looking to replicate that in an intimate relationship outside the twinship.
28:45In my opinion, Chris is replicating with JC the intensity he has with his brother.
28:53It's intolerable to think about being separate from her
28:58because he's not used to being separate from his brother.
29:04We know that JC's staying somewhere in this Caribbean park.
29:08So when JC went cold on Chris, I think that creates an insecurity in him.
29:16In fact, it could instill panic.
29:21An old mate of mine told me that there was a telephone box here near the pub.
29:26Chris Dawson tells JC to call every night at a predetermined time.
29:33JC did make those phone calls to him each night as instructed.
29:39So this is interesting that Chris is wanting to have contact with JC every day.
29:47Again, evidence to suggest that separation was difficult, perhaps even intolerable,
29:53because that's what keeps Chris able to function.
30:00Saturday the 9th of January, on this predetermined phone call that's made every night,
30:05he says to her,
30:07Lynne's gone, she's not coming back, that's just what he said.
30:11Lynne's gone, she's not coming back.
30:16So he tells JC he's going to meet her at the end of the beach near Trail Bay.
30:23Chris Dawson drives through the night.
30:41He came up to South West Rocks and collected me.
30:44Well, over there is South West Rocks.
30:50We know that on the Sunday morning, JC's walked along the beach,
30:55meets Chris here, and they drive back to Sydney.
31:05In my opinion, there was a part of her that knew this relationship was not right,
31:11but the other part of her felt under his control.
31:17I just didn't know what was going on. She was there one minute, now I was in, I think.
31:28Chris and JC arrived back to Sydney.
31:30Lynne's gone and he installs JC into the house and she's now a de facto mother to the two children.
31:39I guess he was looking for a way for me to be in without him losing.
31:44He wanted his kids, he wanted the house.
31:48What's your belief?
31:49Well, I believe from our enquiries that he's got a good reason to be in the house.
31:55What's your belief?
31:58Well, I believe from our enquiries that Chris has murdered Lynne.
32:02Now he has unfettered access to JC.
32:05The evidence suggested this was a homicide.
32:13So it was not long after my mum disappeared that JC became pregnant.
32:19Dad, JC, my sister and I moved up to Queensland.
32:34And so did Paul and his wife and his three girls.
32:37They built houses only about over a few hundred metres apart, similarly designed.
32:43And then I would have been probably 13.
32:47JC said she was going to visit her mum in Sydney.
32:50She took her daughter with her, but then she said she wasn't coming back.
32:57My dad was heartbroken, but for me, it was a happy thing.
33:03My dad, he was suddenly more available to us.
33:07JC told the police that he was going to be a police officer.
33:10JC told the police that she left because she was scared of your dad.
33:15I never witnessed any physical abuse, but I would have been on my father's side.
33:20My father was my hero.
33:26But one day I went to visit my mum's brother and his wife.
33:33They showed me something really confronting about my father.
33:36Suddenly, my life became shattered glass.
33:42Well, to me, the only plausible explanation was that Chris had killed Lynne.
33:47Firstly, everyone that I spoke to all said she wouldn't have left her children.
33:53Lynne left everything behind, her wallets, her jewellery.
33:56Her wedding rings were there and all her underwear and all her clothes.
34:01These clothes were taken to her mother's house.
34:03These clothes were taken to her mother's house.
34:06And her mother said, well, you know, everything's here.
34:09What did she take?
34:11Well, the most compelling piece of evidence was not even within 48 hours of
34:15Lynne allegedly going missing.
34:17He installs JC into the house.
34:21That tells me he knows she's not coming back.
34:24In 2001, I'd compiled a brief of evidence to present to the New South Wales state coroner.
34:30I told the coroner that I believe Chris Dawson murdered Lynne Dawson.
34:35That wasn't preceded with by the director of public prosecutions.
34:39That's the people who I think can testify to my character.
34:43The problem was the evidence in its part was circumstantial.
34:46I was down.
34:47I was down in the dumps.
34:49To believe Lynne's friends, her kids, were told that their mother didn't love them and ran away,
34:55was wrong.
35:00And sometimes I get upset talking about it.
35:05So many years, and it went nowhere.
35:10I was so upset about it.
35:12So many years, and it went nowhere.
35:18And then suddenly everything pivoted again.
35:21In 2018, a crime podcast came out.
35:25It was like the podcast had brought the whole country into this case.
35:31He was getting physically violent, and I felt threatened a lot.
35:35The numbers of downloads started to snowball.
35:38Close to 30 million downloaded more than 50 million, 60 million times across the world.
35:43And the whole story just became bigger than Ben Hur.
35:50Forcing the authorities to look at what had actually happened nearly 40 years ago,
35:54it was unbelievable.
35:57In December of 2018, I was at work.
36:02I find that I have an alert on my computer.
36:08I press the spin handcuffs, you know, and I'm thinking, wow, has it really happened?
36:15And I'm sort of like...
36:17That was the day that most of the Cromer alumni had their mobile phones catch on fire from overuse.
36:30My uncle went and got the brief of evidence.
36:33And there was a lot in this brief of evidence that was completely new to me.
36:38And I believe that was the first time I came into the knowing that my father
36:41was actually having an affair with JC and the sex acts with the students.
36:46What was that like?
36:47Who is this person? And who is this person I thought I knew and loved?
36:52Suddenly, there was a glitch in my perception of my father.
36:56Little moments in time came back to me while I'm trying to process this.
37:00I recall a moment.
37:02I would have been 13.
37:04We were driving.
37:05He said, it's a shame your mother let herself go.
37:08She had such a pretty face.
37:10Something just didn't sit right with me in that statement.
37:14And I remember feeling quite shocked because I really love my dad.
37:19There was another moment when I was about 17.
37:21I, for some reason, said to him, I feel like you need to forgive yourself for something.
37:26And he flashed me a look and he looked deep into my eyes.
37:29And I remember thinking that was a strange, deep look.
37:32I feel like, in retrospect, it was, does she know?
37:36But he's my hero.
37:37So, of course, I just ignored that intuition.
37:43I just had another flash of a major memory on the 9th of January, 1982,
37:49when my mum disappeared.
37:51We went to the North Bridge baths where we were meeting my mum's mum.
37:56My father says that he took my mother to the bus station early in the morning.
38:03But I remember the feeling of, that's not actually what happened.
38:06Why is he saying that?
38:09I remember correcting his version of events.
38:12And he took me into the bathrooms.
38:15And I remember him scolding me.
38:17I have no idea what he said.
38:21There's that expression, the penny dropped.
38:25It was much more than a penny.
38:26It was more like the bomb dropped.
38:31And all my denial could no longer hold.
38:33This web of lies that had held me in this illusion for so long.
38:39To tell your own children their mother left them because she doesn't love them.
38:54It's okay.
39:08One of Australia's most high profile murder trials is underway.
39:11Did you ever think this day would happen?
39:14This was a judge alone trial.
39:15So there's no jury here.
39:17The risk here is that the judge may find that the evidence is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
39:24Is that the Queen and President Michael Dawson for judgment?
39:29I had the whole verdict as I was pretending to work on the other monitor.
39:34The circumstantial evidence in this case considered as a whole is persuasive.
39:39None of the circumstances considered alone can establish Mr Dawson's guilt.
39:44There are times when we'd be going like this.
39:46And then it was down the next minute.
39:48Oh, I'm not sure.
39:49People were saying, oh, he could get off.
39:51You'd feel it go this way.
39:52You'd feel it go that way.
39:53It was an up and down roller coaster ride.
39:55It could have gone either way.
39:57Suddenly he looked up and said.
40:00Christopher Michael Dawson on the charge that on or about 8 January 1982 at Bayview,
40:06you did murder Lynette Dawson.
40:08I find you guilty.
40:10You may sit down.
40:11And it was like.
40:18Yes, got it.
40:23Boom.
40:28Bring out some raw emotion, mate.
40:30Bloody hell.
40:54Separating from my mom while she was still alive meant that he would then have to pay out some money to her.
41:02So it was keeping the relationship going with the young girl and not having to lose any money.
41:10That's my father's motive.
41:12What comes down to sex and money, right?
41:16What do you want to say to Paul?
41:24Given just how close these twins have been, your natural inclination is to then wonder about what is known by Paul.
41:35It would be very surprising if there was not a question about it, would it not?
41:45Did you play any part in Lynette's death?
41:47Well, fuck off.
41:54These two guys lived in the same street.
41:56They moved to Queensland at the same time.
41:59They built their houses together.
42:01To live within spitting distance of each other.
42:04Always dressed the same.
42:06Always.
42:07Your stomachs, push ups.
42:08Studying together, following the same career.
42:12Both part-time models, both played rugby union.
42:14Yeah, they're having to play for the same team at the same time.
42:18They went everywhere in stereo.
42:20They're still the same people in their 70s.
42:23When did they ever become an individual?
42:25Paul, you can't tell us anything about this?
42:27We can't make confidence.
42:28And it's never going to be finished until Lyn's body is disclosed.
42:44We're about three and a little bit out from Sydney going north.
42:53Well, here's some really interesting facts about this location.
42:58On Saturday, 9th of January, 1982, the day Lyn Dawson had disappeared.
43:08Chris Dawson is driving to South West Rocks to collect his teenage lover,
43:13JC, to return back to Sydney.
43:16At the same time, Paul is camping here.
43:19And this area where I am now today is literally right on the route to where Chris is going.
43:28So as a twin, I knew my brother was staying here.
43:34There's no chance in the world that I would have driven past here and not stopped and seen him.
43:43In the context of the history of this twinship,
43:46there's definitely a question mark over Paul.
43:49Did he know that his brother was going to murder his wife?
43:54I don't think we have clarity on that.
43:57Did he know where this body is?
44:00On which plot of land it is?
44:02I'm not sure.
44:03But to not know something, I would be very surprised.
44:08But it's possible he didn't know.
44:10Correct. Maybe he didn't.
44:11We'll make sure this one's closed first before we open the other one, yeah?
44:17Hello.
44:18My daughter's seen me cry way more than she probably should have.
44:24The saying that time heals wounds, I guess that there's something to that.
44:28But I do have to give myself some credit that I have not had a nurturing presence in my life.
44:35And yet I somehow have it innately.
44:38It's OK, you're safe.
44:39You're so beautiful.
44:44Really?
44:46So I thank my mother that I do have that nurturing quality.
44:50Are you ready to explore the world, are you?
44:54You will be released when you're ready, OK?
44:57I hope the next part of your life is good.
45:04What would you say to your mother?
45:06Growing up without a mum, I see how much I missed out.
45:15I hope that you're proud of me and of Keala.