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00:00I'm very pro swimming on. Yeah. He is. He's real soft. I mean that this is too much. It's
00:06not so much to get me off of his side on this. Yeah. I was going to say I'm normally pro
00:09player and like baseball players deal with arbitration and like I was very much on Corbin
00:13Burns aside but eventually like if I bring him up because he famously was in a back and
00:17forth with the Brewers they like insulted him to his face but then he ultimately got
00:22out of there and was was done and now he's pitching for another team. It just feels like
00:26at every turn possible Swayman brings this up. It's like it is like you're the business
00:32guy. You've told us you're the businessman went to business school at Maine. Don't you
00:38kind of understand what business isn't always getting your way. It's quite the opposite.
00:43No but how is he not more prepared for this. OK but business is when you have the leverage
00:47you use it. Yeah. And the team has used that leverage before. You know the team. But is
00:51he making it personal because it feels like he's. Yeah. No he's supposed to. That's fair.
00:57He's making it personal. There's no doubt about that. But it's also using your leverage
01:01when you have it. He has it. The leverage is you traded your former Vezina winner who
01:06I didn't think was great anyway but you could frame it that way. Yeah yeah yeah. Lena Solmark
01:10you don't really have another option in goal and if you think you do. Let's see. We're
01:13going to find out who's right on Corby. Let's let's see what goalie Bob can get out of Corby
01:18for Brandon Bussey was pretty good in the preseason game. The other barely got any shots
01:22but he's pretty good because they're afraid of him. The preseason game the other anyone
01:25to save it anyway we might as well eat it. So utilize the leverage when you have it.
01:29And you know the Bruins had the out. This came out the other day from Fluto Shinzawa
01:33the athletic the Bruins had the option of because Swinburne brought them to arbitration
01:39giving him a two year deal and they only gave him a one year deal at three and a half million
01:44right. They could have given him two at three and a half million. They chose not to. And
01:47it's been framed as well. Maybe they were playing nice nice with him because they know
01:50how badly the arbitration process was. It kind of seems like it to me. Well I wonder
01:54if it was that. I wonder if they were cheaping out on some level. I wonder if they didn't
01:59fully believe because they've never really fully believed in Jeremy Swinburne and they
02:03said we'd rather go year to year than you know really lock this guy up for two years.
02:09I wonder if that was part of the logic there. I'm not sure that was an olive branch. I wonder
02:12if it was viewed as it is. I feel like it's like you know not telling a player not going
02:16to franchise him in football. You're like are like like rather having this hangover
02:19for another day effectively did franchise him and they didn't pay him at the top of
02:23the league. They franchise instead of giving him a contract. They really take him to arbitration
02:26or having or going through the arbitration race. Right. Because he took them going going
02:32through that process is kind of franchising a player because you won't give him his contract.
02:35But doesn't it also speed up. Like you're not going to make three and a half million
02:39this year. He could have made three and a half million right. He could. And so I feel
02:42like by doing that they're sort of like all right man this really did affect you because
02:46you tell everybody about how much it affected you. You didn't really keep that close to
02:50the vest. Everybody knows how upset you were on it. So let's just do this. We're going
02:54to. We tried trading Omar. Yep. We tried to. Your buddy wouldn't leave. We tried turning
02:59the team over to you but we stay. We finally finally did trade and then we got rid of him.
03:03Like we are committed to you. We just don't want to blow our whole budget on you. And
03:07he's saying well too late. Yeah. That's where we're at. And I think it's fair even if you
03:11put the money part aside. Yeah I know it's hard to do. But if he's like oh now you want
03:15to commit to me. You should have committed to me last year. You should have committed
03:18me the year before that. And that's again I'm not even talking contract. I'm not talking
03:21playing time. You want to hold against me that I wasn't a full time goalie. That's because
03:26you didn't commit to me. I could have been a full time goalie. You kept playing the other
03:30bum even though you tried to trade him. You tried to trade him. You got through the trade
03:34deadline and you kept playing him. You played him in Game 2 of the playoffs for God's sakes.
03:38Don't tell me that I'm a part time goalie. I would have been your full time goalie. You
03:43didn't play me. That's your fault. That's not my fault. It's not like he couldn't do
03:46it. Does anybody believe Jeremy Swineman couldn't do it. I know I think good. I think he's good.
03:50Like I mean he wants to play 55 games. I think he'll be going to play 55 games. No he's never
03:54done it. But based on the playoff run last year you don't think Jeremy Swineman could
03:59be your everyday goalie. You don't think that. I think that I absolutely think that he could
04:03be. That's not his fault. I also don't think 8 million a year is an insulting. No I agree
04:08it's not. And so like Jeremy Swineman is soft about that. I think he's I think he's soft
04:13about the arbitration process. Definitely. I think he is being offered a fair contract.
04:18Yeah. But I also think it's a little too late. I think it's a little too late from the Bruins
04:21side to start being fair when they haven't been the last couple of years. And now the
04:25cry fair like oh look this is a fair offer was three and a half fair the year before.
04:30No I'm not giving him a contract fair the year before. This is how I would view it though.
04:34Like if you're the businessman and if you wanted 10 and then you're like I'll take nine
04:38and a half and then you're like well in reality like how low a number would you go to all
04:43personal stuff aside. Yep. All low ball offers aside if it was just if I made 8 million a
04:48year for the next eight years that's pretty great. Like a year ago it is in your one.
04:53What is it in your 5 6 7 8. I bet he's way I bet in five years I'll still be top 10 goalie.
04:58No. Well maybe top 10 but not in the top five. I bet that 8 million dollar deal. And
05:03this is probably the holdup. Yeah I think he's right about this too. In five years we're
05:08going to look at it and say well that's a good deal. Well what if he said hey I'll take
05:11four for 32. And do you think the Bruins are saying no. What do you think. I think they
05:16would do that. This is this is where I and I know nothing. You're the one who's plugged
05:20in and I know everything. And Pierre Lebrun says they're going to get it done which I'm
05:23skeptical about. He said I think fair. He thinks they're going to get it done. I think
05:28a lot of things Pierre. You have to share. It's a good reporting tactic. I think they're
05:32going to get it done. I wonder if that's what they end up doing. A bridge deal where it's
05:36three or four years. And if you play like a hero you'll get more money either here or
05:40somewhere else. It's a four year. It's a super high AV maybe. And swimming gets to hit the
05:46market again in three or four years. Maybe that's where we're headed. I kind of think
05:50and I'm just guessing because I don't know anything. But that's what I think. Pierre
05:55Lebrun. That's what I think is they're going to land on a bridge deal at like four years
05:58at a high age. Yeah. And that's why I don't find the number I think. And then you can
06:03go out there and you'll have more of a track record. Maybe you have you know a top three
06:09Vezina finish. Maybe you have I mean got a cup would be crazy. But like if you have more
06:14playoff wins then you hit the market. You hit the open market. Yeah. You could you could
06:18cash in. Maybe they pay you. Maybe they don't. But that rather than getting locked in for
06:22eight years maybe neither side loves the idea of getting locked in for eight years.
06:26Let me bring this up to you just brought up the Vezina. That gets that gets held against
06:30him a lot that he hasn't won a Vezina. Oh yeah. You just mean like I just think people
06:35are like well he hasn't won a Vezina. So like how are you going to treat him as a top goalie.
06:39This has bothered me a while but somebody in the text line yesterday brought this up
06:42very late in the show. Why do we show so much faith in Charlie McAvoy. Charlie McAvoy has
06:48never won a Norris. No. Like he hasn't won that award. People talk about him. Oh he's
06:53a top flight defenseman. I keep picking him to be top three. He just has not. He's finished
06:57top five in the Norris twice five and four. Swain was seventh in the Vezina voting last
07:02year. Yeah. So split in time. Yeah. I mean I I don't know if you're willing to pay McAvoy
07:08you should be willing to pay Swain and if you're willing to pay McAvoy at a number he
07:11probably doesn't deserve. You should be willing to pay Swain in that. I don't think Swain
07:15is looking at the goalie market and his comps which the Bruins clearly are. And maybe the
07:20Bruins are right to and he's wrong not to. I'd be looking at the guys in my own dressing
07:24room and I'd say well you gave McAvoy that and you stretch for a guy who's never won
07:28a Norris and was about as close to a Norris as I was to a Vezina last year. We both been
07:32an all star once. So I don't want to hear about how I'm not ready and all these comps.
07:37You overpaid him. Go ahead and overpay me. Get uncomfortable by paying me. Six one seven
07:42seven seven nine seven ninety three seven. Never mind. Elias Lindholm who they basically
07:45want to pay him like Elias Lindholm who's done squat in his career. Never mind in Boston
07:49where the McAvoy ranks per year. Defenseman top 10. He's tied for fifth. Oh that's higher
07:56than I thought though. Okay. I would have thought he was more like in the seven eight
07:59nine range. I think there's only according to this Spotrack there's three guys that make
08:04over 10 million a year. Everybody else is under 10. So McAvoy is right there. You scratch
08:08it at the surface of that. And if you're going to get uncomfortable for him you should get
08:11uncomfortable for me with my stance and maybe that is how they're looking at it. But if
08:15I had to guess and it's only a guess it's what I think. Pierre LeBron. Right. I think
08:19the bridge contract is in play but we're officially on the clock. His agent came out the other
08:24day and said yeah we're going to take some time to think about it. Well they're thinking
08:27about it. Where are we at.