Spiritual medium and psychic who discovered Nicola Bulley's body speaks out
A spiritual medium who discovered Nicola Bulley's body told of his emotionally charged meeting with her loved ones after she was laid to rest.
Jason Rothwell, 33, discussed "issues that will forever remain between me and [the] family" of Ms Bulley, a mum who vanished last year and was later found to have accidentally drowned in the River Wyre in Lancashire.
Jason Rothwell, 33, discussed "issues that will forever remain between me and [the] family" of Ms Bulley, a mum who vanished last year and was later found to have accidentally drowned in the River Wyre in Lancashire.
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00:00Hello, how are we doing? It's a bit of a random one really. I was going to wait until the
00:08morning but I always think if you wait on these things like you lose where you're up
00:14to. So I just wanted to pop on. Obviously, over the last hour or two, quite a few people
00:22have popped up and expressed interest, expressed sympathy or feelings based on the programme
00:36that has just been aired on the BBC. I appreciate a minute for 30 seconds. We did a five hour
00:46interview some months ago now, in the spring, and those five hours have turned into 30 seconds.
00:56I can safely tell you they are the most, possibly amongst the most difficult 30 seconds I've
01:04ever had to watch. But I just wanted to say a few things on the documentary. They're more
01:10thanks than anything. So I want to just say a big thank you to Rogan Productions who are
01:16the company who made this programme for the BBC. They were incredibly kind, incredibly
01:23understanding and very respectful of what it is that we spiritualists do. I also wanted
01:34to extend my thoughts and my love to Nicola's mum and dad, Dot and Ernie and Louise and
01:43obviously Nicola's partner Paul. For what has no doubt been a very, very difficult time,
01:51going back through all of that, raking it up and having to air the difficulties that
01:58they faced at the loss of their loved one at that time. I just want to send my thoughts
02:07as well to my dear friend who helped me on that day. I know for myself, and I'm certain
02:14for her, the finding of Nicola will forever be a part of our life. It will be something
02:24incredibly difficult for her as it is for myself, but nowhere near as difficult as obviously that
02:35was for Nicola's family. And one day her children who will have to grow up without the physical
02:43presence of their mother. So that's two things. I want to say thank you to the production company.
02:50They were very, very good in what they did and I appreciate how politely they approached
02:57me and dealt with what was a very difficult discussion. I already thanked Lancashire Police
03:05at the time, but I thank them again for the open-minded nature in which they took on board
03:15my own part in this story, tragedy, not quite sure which word is appropriate. But I also
03:24just wanted to send two extra thank yous, which are unknown thank yous really. It was
03:34mentioned in the five-hour recording that we did, but obviously not mentioned tonight.
03:38So this is why I've come on tonight to just say this. Just want to say a huge thank you
03:43to the committee and president of Blackburn Spiritualist Church. That is where we facilitated
03:52the recording of this interview. And it's also the place where myself and Nicola's family
03:59and my good friend met together shortly after Nicola's funeral. And I cannot thank them
04:09enough for the discretion, for the kindness, for the privacy that they showed to myself
04:17and to Nicola's family, and the very caring way in which they opened the church to us
04:22to be used. And I also want to thank, unbeknownst to many people, the spiritual circle of Saddleworth
04:31Spiritualist Church. Saddleworth Church is near where I am based. And the night before
04:40I went to obviously recover Nicola's body, we all sat together in a circle. There was
04:48at least 20 of us who sat in a circle. We all sat together in a circle. There was at
04:56least 20 of us who sat in a circle. We all sat together in a circle. There was at least
05:0520 of us who sat in a circle together, sending love. I don't know who these people are, but
05:14I don't know how to... Some people have just popped up. But I just want to say a huge thank
05:21you to the spiritual circle of Saddleworth Church, who sent so much love, so much kindness,
05:29so much energy to help us. Because these things, the finding of a missing person, it's so much
05:36harder than people think. It's harder on you mentally. It's harder legally, obviously.
05:44There are legal implications. But the energy required is so much more. And so thank you
05:49to Blackburn Church for opening its doors to myself and Nicola's family and allowing
05:54us to sit together for such a long time and discuss issues that will forever remain between
06:03me and her family. And to Saddleworth Church and its circle, who sent their love, their
06:10energy, their spiritual ability into the universe to allow for these things to happen.
06:22Feed isn't great, but I appreciate... I don't know how to go live. You'll notice I don't
06:26go live on TikTok ever. But here I am, just because I appreciate people reaching out to
06:33me, as they have done this evening. I want to say I am absolutely fine. I am absolutely
06:37fine. Nicola and her family are the main thing in this whole situation. And if you
06:46just watch the programme, it's very tastefully done. And I have to say thank you for at least
06:50putting myself in the programme. It's a nod, I suppose, to the spiritual community that
06:57we can do good. And I confess, as much as part of my involvement was to help Nicola
07:05and help her family, another part of my involvement was to stop psychics and spiritual people
07:13from trying to cash in on what is a lady's tragic ending and a family's immense pain.
07:23Those are the two reasons I got involved in this. One, to help her family, to give her
07:28parents peace of mind, to give her children the knowledge of where their mother had gone.
07:35And the second, to stop cranks, for want of a better word, cashing in on her and her
07:43life and the way in which her life came to an end, in the physical sense. Now, I'm not
07:51here to tell you anything deep and personal about myself or deep and personal about Nicola.
07:57The only thing I hope is that in the fullness of time, when I pass from this world and move
08:04into the next world, I only hope that Nicola will be amongst those people who I meet.
08:19I only hope that she will be amongst the people that I meet when my own life ends and that
08:26we can greet one another and be friends with one another, as she is such a huge part of
08:32my life and she will forever be a part of my life in this sense. And I only hope that
08:41she can appreciate that I have done everything I can to protect her memory, to protect her
08:48family in the best way that I am capable of doing, and that she will be happy in the way
08:55in which, for my part, I have dealt with this situation. And I'm sure there will be
09:04other people who I have helped to come home, waiting, but Nicola is the one who I really
09:12do pray she will be stood there and be like, hiya Jay, nice to meet you at long last. Since
09:18the only time we have ever met each other is my living self to her deceased self. And
09:26you can't, I will say this, I apologise, I'm trying to word it very carefully. There's
09:31very little I have more to say about it. I'm so glad that the documentary has been put
09:39together so tastefully. I really didn't want to be in it. And so I'm only grateful that
09:48it's such a sort of short moment. Because, you know, talking to dead people is such a
09:53mind blowing thing. And, and it can, it's so complicated. And I could talk for hours
09:58and hours about the situation. There is an interview, I have done one interview with
10:08Psychic News. It is a written article by a very, very well established spiritual journalist.
10:19And that will possibly be published over the next few months. It is the only interview
10:25I have done. The only one I suspect I ever will do. And it will go into, I assume from
10:35what the gentleman who interviewed me did, it will go into the spiritual side of finding
10:41Nicola rather than any of the personal aspects of it. I will just say also a huge shout out
10:51to Gisla from Grizzly True Crime. She was actually one of the very, very few TikTokers,
11:01YouTubers, who was really genuinely very nice about me at the time. And so I really
11:06do want to just say a shout out to her because she is genuinely a lady. And I've watched
11:11some of her videos since. And she's always very respectful, always tries to stick to
11:16the facts, and was actually one of the only ones who didn't accuse me of being like a
11:19demon worshipping Satanist, or a murderer. And so I thank her for that. I'm so glad that
11:25she got some airtime in this documentary because she really did show the best, the
11:32very best of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Besides that, guys, that's all I've come to say. I
11:41don't want to stick around too long because I'm conscious that I talk bullshit a lot of
11:47the time. Like I say, I talk too much. I just start saying things I don't need to talk about.
11:52That's all I'm here for. Just want to say thank you for reaching out, those of you
11:55who have. I'm totally okay. I really, really just hope you send your thoughts and your
12:03love to Nicola's mum and dad and her sister and her children and Paul. For what is a difficult
12:11time for them at this moment. It's all come back. Oh, Sarah Louisa. I'm not sure. I didn't
12:24mean to send an invite. I'm not sure who Sarah Louisa is. And I really feel like I should
12:29if I helped you with yours. I'm really sorry, my darling, if my brain is escaping me. It's
12:36not where it should be today. But I hope that came to a successful conclusion in whatever
12:43way a successful conclusion can be in these matters. I'll leave yous with the love. God
12:51bless yous. You know, let me just say this before I leave yous. Spiritualism, spirituality,
12:58psychics and mediums. Some of us are really, really lovely people. Really genuinely lovely
13:06people. Spiritualist churches are a beautiful place. They're filled with so much kindness,
13:12so much love. Then there's people like me who are kind of in the middle. We can be twats
13:16and we can be nice. It depends what day of the week you catch us. And then there can
13:21be some awful people who will literally, you know, reach out to a family who are in
13:27trauma and tell them the most dreadful things about what's happened to their children. You
13:32know, they're tied up in an attic being abused by drug dealers and all sorts of things like
13:37that. And my final, my final word. If you do see a missing person post on your Facebook,
13:45please share it. 18,000 people a year go missing. 18,000. They're all somebody's loved
13:56one. They're all somebody's family. Somebody will be going to bed tonight wondering where
14:02their grandson is, wondering where their son is, wondering where their daughter is. And
14:07your post could be the difference between them never being found and being brought home
14:18in whichever way it ends up being. And I confess, I personally cannot help everybody. I get
14:25so many requests for people who want me to find their passport or want me to find their
14:32dog or their cat or want me to find their, or want me to find their, their brother or
14:40their sister, their mother, cousin, friend, et cetera. And genuinely, if I could help
14:48every single one of them, I would do. But, you know, I'm not Jesus. I'm not anything
14:56particularly gifted. But in this one particular case with Nicola, we were lucky, quote unquote.
15:07And in finding Nicola, I did the most incredible thing and the most terrible thing in my whole
15:13life. You know, I can't explain how, how amazing it is to think that, you know, I walked to
15:22a river one day and stood there and waited for somebody's body to turn up based on the
15:28idea that an invisible person had told me to go and do it. And at the same time, the
15:32real genuine realisation that you were about to take some family's hope away from them
15:38by confirming their worst fears. I'll leave it there. Leave yours with love. Thank you
15:46for watching. If you haven't watched the programme, maybe do. Nicola deserves a good airing
15:52to see her on video, how she really was. Not just the pictures that were shared at the
15:57time, but videos of her, hear her voice, see how loving and kind she was, see how much
16:05her mum and dad love her and obviously miss her still. I'll leave yous with that because
16:13I'm going to start crying if I don't. Tetti, bye.