Nedjeljom u 2 - Branko Lustig
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00:01:30I was in love with him because he was,
00:01:37among the first generation to finish a strong,
00:01:42strong and high-quality Academy of Drama.
00:01:46He was not from the sector of the organization,
00:01:50he finished the play, and I, as a Zagreb citizen,
00:01:54who does not know how to speak, because he speaks Zagreb,
00:01:58managed to be only the fourth generation.
00:02:02Apart from a few appearances,
00:02:04Lustek never acted.
00:02:06As he says, it is scary to constantly speak foreign texts.
00:02:10However, he loved the film, so he got a job in Jadran Film,
00:02:13where he went from a coffee carrier to a film director.
00:02:16Then he cooperated with Branko Bauer on the war drama
00:02:19Ne okreći se sine.
00:02:21Tell me everything you saw here.
00:02:23Come on.
00:02:25Go quickly.
00:02:28Run! And don't turn around, son!
00:02:31As far as Lustek understood at the beginning of his career
00:02:34in the work of a producer, Krsto Papić also remembered.
00:02:37Mirjana Majurec and Ugristije should have jumped on the foot of the stick.
00:02:43We shot it in the city of Kavanigore, on the set.
00:02:47And now we didn't have real sticks,
00:02:50but we had painted white mice,
00:02:52which we colored and thickened well.
00:02:55So they really acted like real sticks.
00:02:58However, no one will take a stick in their hand.
00:03:02Everyone is afraid.
00:03:04The director who was supposed to make it said,
00:03:07I can't do that.
00:03:09And suddenly Branko took off his gloves and took it.
00:03:12And he threw those sticks at Mirjana Majurec with his bare hands.
00:03:23I actually met him, his personality and his abilities,
00:03:27when I was preparing my big TV project, Bombing Process.
00:03:32And he often ruled in the team.
00:03:35It was a big project.
00:03:37Until Branko Lustek came.
00:03:39Branko arranged everything in a week or two,
00:03:42so that it sounded perfect.
00:03:44And then, unfortunately, he left us.
00:03:47The first time in America, he worked on TV productions.
00:03:50And a big breakthrough in his career
00:03:52brought him friendship with Steven Spielberg.
00:03:55The combination Spielberg-Lustig,
00:03:57an extraordinary Schindler's List,
00:03:59and Lustig, the first Oscar.
00:04:18This is a film about a part of my life,
00:04:21a part of my stay in concentration camps.
00:04:24And that's why that Oscar I got is ten times more expensive
00:04:28than an Oscar for some other film.
00:04:31The following films were made by Svetac, Smirotvorac and others,
00:04:35and then the first collaboration with now already
00:04:38a former friend and colleague,
00:04:40director Ridley Scott, on the film Gladiator.
00:04:43The result, the second Oscar in the hands of the Croats.
00:04:52His sixth film,
00:04:54which is characteristic of Židor,
00:04:57that is, the film for humor,
00:05:00the seventh film for a bitter situation,
00:05:03for a funny one,
00:05:05was filled with batteries.
00:05:07And the second Oscar,
00:05:09which is characteristic of Židor,
00:05:12that is, the film for humor,
00:05:14the seventh film for a bitter situation,
00:05:17for a funny one,
00:05:19was filled with batteries.
00:05:21And all the foreign directors,
00:05:24set designers, costume designers, etc.
00:05:27worked with him with great pleasure,
00:05:30although he was always strict
00:05:32towards his subordinates.
00:05:34We don't know if he was strict to the students
00:05:37of his school in Zagreb.
00:05:39There, he says, the award means more than the Oscar.
00:05:42For example, I would say
00:05:44that he is interesting as a man
00:05:46who loves beautiful shoes.
00:05:48He loves shoes.
00:05:50And to my question,
00:05:52did you prepare a speech for the Academy?
00:05:55When we recently met
00:05:57around this Jewish film festival,
00:06:00because I help him in the selection of films,
00:06:03then he asked,
00:06:05how do I get new shoes?
00:06:07That was his question.
00:06:09That one shoe is pitiful.
00:06:11It starts pitiful,
00:06:13then it becomes a habit.
00:06:15As I am all my life in the sun,
00:06:18constantly,
00:06:20then it happened to me
00:06:22that I got a skin cancer.
00:06:24And then the doctor cut
00:06:26a lot of it out of my head,
00:06:29but it didn't reach the brain.
00:06:33And then he said to me,
00:06:35you have to wear shoes.
00:06:37And then I started wearing shoes.
00:06:40These days, Lustig has talked a lot
00:06:42about the secrets of his shoes.
00:06:44In Zagreb, he is in the lead
00:06:46of the festival of the Jewish film,
00:06:48and the journalists literally mock him.
00:06:50He is peacefully building it all,
00:06:52because, as he often says,
00:06:54fame is nothing, work is everything.
00:07:03Dear viewers, good afternoon.
00:07:05Our guest is Branko Lustig.
00:07:07Welcome.
00:07:11You are in the media these days.
00:07:13Yes.
00:07:15When you turn on the TV,
00:07:17Branko Lustig comes out,
00:07:19like from Jack's Box.
00:07:21How do you deal with that fame?
00:07:23Is fame a good thing in life?
00:07:25No, I mean fame.
00:07:27I don't know how to call it.
00:07:29I know Zagreb,
00:07:31I know me,
00:07:33and I know journalists.
00:07:35For example, I walk down the street,
00:07:37a taxi driver stops me,
00:07:39and he says,
00:07:41you have something on your shoes,
00:07:43let me clean it for you.
00:07:45That's what happened to me
00:07:47for the first time,
00:07:49on the corner of Gajeva and Teslina.
00:07:51I pass by every day.
00:07:53That really moved me.
00:07:55It means that they know me.
00:07:57Yes.
00:07:59When it comes to fame,
00:08:01it's about money.
00:08:03They say that people don't understand
00:08:05how much money they have.
00:08:07I don't know how to talk about it.
00:08:09But it's a good thing.
00:08:11You have money?
00:08:13Yes.
00:08:15That's fantastic.
00:08:17How do you use it these days?
00:08:19You don't have to spend it.
00:08:21It's important that you know
00:08:23that you won't be standing
00:08:25on the corner
00:08:27of Gajeva and Teslina.
00:08:29You have to share it.
00:08:31How much do the producers
00:08:33earn in comparison
00:08:35to the directors?
00:08:37What is the ratio?
00:08:39There is no income.
00:08:41It is reflected
00:08:43in what they earn
00:08:45behind the scenes.
00:08:47When the film is released,
00:08:49the director has his share,
00:08:51the producer has his share,
00:08:53the director has his share,
00:08:55the producer has his share,
00:08:57and so on.
00:08:59What is the ratio?
00:09:01Between the directors?
00:09:03Good directors earn much more.
00:09:05A good director like Ridley Scott
00:09:07earns 15 million dollars
00:09:09per film.
00:09:11Steven Spielberg
00:09:13earns
00:09:17177,000 dollars
00:09:19per film
00:09:21at the syndical minimum.
00:09:23He earns
00:09:2527 percent.
00:09:27How much does a good producer earn?
00:09:29A good producer earns
00:09:31about 25,000 dollars
00:09:33per week
00:09:35if he is a line producer.
00:09:37If he is a producer,
00:09:39he earns
00:09:41100,000 dollars per week.
00:09:43He earns enough
00:09:45to live well,
00:09:47to send his daughter to school,
00:09:49so that his wife can
00:09:51go to the store,
00:09:53so that she can
00:09:55sit in the garden
00:09:57and smoke a cigarette.
00:09:59You are sitting in a new garden
00:10:01in Zagreb,
00:10:03but you have a house in Los Angeles.
00:10:05Does that mean you came back here?
00:10:07I haven't decided yet,
00:10:09but I keep saying that I am coming back.
00:10:11But where can I come back?
00:10:13I haven't even left.
00:10:15I have always been in Zagreb with my heart.
00:10:17I live with Zagreb,
00:10:19we have friends in Zagreb,
00:10:21we follow everything
00:10:23that is happening in Zagreb.
00:10:25So I don't even have to come back.
00:10:27I am already here.
00:10:29I asked you that.
00:10:31Do you live well here in Zagreb?
00:10:33I live very well.
00:10:35I do a lot of work.
00:10:37I prepare the festival.
00:10:39I didn't believe that there is so much to prepare.
00:10:41I talk to a lot of people.
00:10:43I take the opportunity
00:10:45to go to Zumberak
00:10:47and there
00:10:49my wife is shaving,
00:10:51and I collect hay when I can.
00:10:53It is very tiring, I didn't know.
00:10:55There is no one to help me anymore.
00:10:57So there are two of us.
00:10:59My wife Mirjana and I are left alone
00:11:01in Zumberak.
00:11:03You say you live well,
00:11:05but why?
00:11:07I want to make a counterpoint.
00:11:09Sometime ago, 65 years ago,
00:11:11you didn't live well,
00:11:13you didn't live well.
00:11:15Your childhood was marked
00:11:17by living in the greatest
00:11:19creature of death in the world.
00:11:21How did you get to Auschwitz?
00:11:23You know,
00:11:25I will never forget
00:11:27when we were taken
00:11:29to Auschwitz.
00:11:31When it all started.
00:11:33It started in 1941
00:11:35in Osijek.
00:11:37I will never forget
00:11:39when we got into a boat
00:11:41and went to Međimurj.
00:11:43We landed
00:11:45somewhere near Prelog.
00:11:47Then we left for Čakovec.
00:11:49That's where it all started.
00:11:51We stayed in Čakovec for a while
00:11:53and then I went to Auschwitz
00:11:55with my mother.
00:11:57Why did they send you to Auschwitz?
00:11:59Why did they send me to Auschwitz?
00:12:01You said you heard
00:12:03about your father.
00:12:05Yes, I heard about my father,
00:12:07but they sent me to Auschwitz
00:12:09because I am a Jew.
00:12:11That was the strongest reason
00:12:13and it was a reason
00:12:15that I still don't understand today.
00:12:17Today,
00:12:19to skip a bit,
00:12:21I am telling the children
00:12:23that there is no reason
00:12:25why those people were killed.
00:12:27I want to ask you about
00:12:29the banality of evil.
00:12:31We will talk about it in the show.
00:12:33People are told a hundred times
00:12:35that what you are saying is not enough.
00:12:37They sent you to Auschwitz
00:12:39because people
00:12:41can't understand it today.
00:12:43I think that at the time
00:12:45when Nazism was in the air
00:12:47and it was being talked about
00:12:49all over Europe,
00:12:51some people understood it.
00:12:53Those who understood it
00:12:55could decide whether to go
00:12:57to the side of those who
00:12:59save Jews or to the side
00:13:01of those who send them to the camps.
00:13:03That was the policy.
00:13:05I am very happy
00:13:07that a book has been published
00:13:09which is incredible.
00:13:11More than 110 Croats
00:13:13were among those
00:13:15who saved Jews
00:13:17and who received the title of righteous.
00:13:21When I was thinking
00:13:23about my wife,
00:13:27it also attracted me
00:13:29that there were people.
00:13:31What is one?
00:13:33There is an old proverb
00:13:35which is in the Bible.
00:13:37In fact, it is in the Bible,
00:13:39in the Koran, in the Jewish Bible,
00:13:41in the Talmud,
00:13:43that whoever saves one life
00:13:45is like saving the whole world.
00:13:47That is why I am very grateful
00:13:49to those people who saved Jews.
00:13:51When you remember that period,
00:13:53how did they take you to Auschwitz?
00:13:55Did you go by train?
00:13:57We went by train.
00:13:59We went in a wagon.
00:14:01We have a film here
00:14:03called The Last Wagon to Auschwitz.
00:14:05You can see
00:14:07how they took us.
00:14:09It was terrible.
00:14:11About 100 or 110 people
00:14:13were in one wagon.
00:14:19There was a corridor,
00:14:21a ditch, a little water
00:14:23and they did not open the wagon to Auschwitz.
00:14:25In Auschwitz, they opened it
00:14:27and threw us out.
00:14:29Some people ran to us
00:14:31and they called my mother
00:14:33and told her
00:14:35that she was 16.
00:14:37They did not even say the age.
00:14:39They just said that I was 16.
00:14:41They did not have more time to say it.
00:14:43My mother said that I was 16.
00:14:45How old were you?
00:14:47I was 10.
00:14:51A little more than 10.
00:14:55There was a person
00:14:57in uniform.
00:14:59The person who told me
00:15:01that I was older than 16
00:15:03was Mengele.
00:15:05I never saw him again.
00:15:09I learned a lot in Auschwitz
00:15:11when I started reading books
00:15:13and making films.
00:15:15When I was there, I was young.
00:15:17I did not know anything.
00:15:19I saw my mother
00:15:21when they took her away.
00:15:23I remember
00:15:25that I saw her
00:15:27in a field
00:15:29with a bald head.
00:15:31I am not sure about that.
00:15:33It was the last time I saw her.
00:15:39When you talk about the wagon
00:15:41that took you to Auschwitz,
00:15:43what did your mother tell you
00:15:45about those inhumane actions?
00:15:47I assume that your mother
00:15:49wanted to protect her child.
00:15:51I do not remember.
00:15:53I think that I just
00:15:55took her in my arms
00:15:57and spent the whole time
00:15:59in a coma.
00:16:01When you are young,
00:16:03you do not know.
00:16:05I ask people
00:16:07how they experienced Auschwitz.
00:16:09How did they save themselves?
00:16:11How did they experience
00:16:13the march of death from Auschwitz?
00:16:15I do not know.
00:16:17I just wanted to stay alive
00:16:19until tomorrow morning.
00:16:21I did not even think
00:16:23about that.
00:16:25I was so lucky
00:16:27that I swore
00:16:29that I would never eat potatoes.
00:16:31I would only eat
00:16:35the skin of the potatoes.
00:16:41I wanted to ask you
00:16:45about your mother.
00:16:47In the movie
00:16:49La Vita e Bella,
00:16:51the mother protects
00:16:53her child in the camp.
00:16:55She tries to create
00:16:57a different world
00:16:59so that the child does not
00:17:01know where he is.
00:17:03You say that you lived
00:17:05day by day.
00:17:07Why did you build
00:17:09a picture of where you were
00:17:11as a child?
00:17:13Did you know that you
00:17:15were in the creator of death?
00:17:17No.
00:17:19I was not stupid.
00:17:21I saw the smoke
00:17:23and how the snow
00:17:25fell on us.
00:17:27I just wanted
00:17:29to survive.
00:17:31I wanted to be
00:17:33with my mother
00:17:35and with my father.
00:17:37It was an animal wish.
00:17:39It was not human.
00:17:41We did not think
00:17:43like humans.
00:17:45Today they write novels
00:17:47about how they were
00:17:49underground.
00:17:51There were resistance
00:17:53organizations.
00:17:55There were people
00:17:57from 40 years ago.
00:17:59They were political workers
00:18:01who were killing in Auschwitz.
00:18:03Poles and Jews.
00:18:05When you look at the
00:18:07uprisings in Sobibor,
00:18:09Treblinka,
00:18:11it was organized by Russians.
00:18:13Russian officers
00:18:15were thrown into the camp.
00:18:17They came there.
00:18:19Of course there was
00:18:21an organization.
00:18:23They carried women
00:18:25from Buna and Monowice.
00:18:27They carried them in their
00:18:29foreign organs.
00:18:31They carried them in small
00:18:33barrels.
00:18:35They were transferred
00:18:37to the crematorium.
00:18:39In October 1944,
00:18:41the 4th crematorium was
00:18:43opened.
00:18:45I did not know about it.
00:18:47I just watched them survive.
00:18:49The first day I came to the
00:18:51camp in Firste Grube,
00:18:53I was in the first row.
00:18:55I saw people
00:18:57hanging in front of us.
00:18:59They were refugees.
00:19:01I will never forget
00:19:03that they looked at us
00:19:05and shouted in Yiddish
00:19:07do not forget us.
00:19:09Tell the world
00:19:11how we died.
00:19:13It was so deeply
00:19:15ingrained in me
00:19:17that I repeated it.
00:19:19I did not prepare
00:19:21when I won the Oscar.
00:19:23I did not prepare
00:19:25for the last speech.
00:19:27My daughter told me
00:19:29something.
00:19:31I do not forget the number
00:19:33when we were there.
00:19:35At that moment,
00:19:37I remembered
00:19:39what they told us.
00:19:41I was lucky
00:19:43that I survived.
00:19:45You said that
00:19:47a 10-year-old child
00:19:49works in a mine.
00:19:51How does one day look like?
00:19:53It looks bad.
00:19:55In the morning,
00:19:57when it rains,
00:19:59you get up at 4.30 or 5.
00:20:01You stand in the rain.
00:20:03They give you
00:20:05black water
00:20:07and put you in the mine.
00:20:09I had a white horse there.
00:20:11I will never forget that.
00:20:13It was a white horse.
00:20:15It used to be white,
00:20:17but it was black.
00:20:19The horse pulled
00:20:21two wheels on the rails.
00:20:23I was leading it.
00:20:25It was on the edge
00:20:27with water.
00:20:29I gave people a pot
00:20:31and water.
00:20:33That was my job.
00:20:35They taught us how to build.
00:20:37We had to learn how to build.
00:20:39But we did not build.
00:20:41We made bricks and cement.
00:20:43It was a building school.
00:20:47After you got better,
00:20:49you moved.
00:20:51When I got better,
00:20:53they moved us to Birkenau.
00:20:55We almost died there.
00:20:57I managed to get rid of it.
00:20:59Later,
00:21:01in January,
00:21:03in January,
00:21:05in January 1945,
00:21:07when there was a big evacuation
00:21:09of the death marches,
00:21:11I was walking
00:21:13in the snow and ice.
00:21:15There were
00:21:17sleds.
00:21:19I remember
00:21:21leaning on one of the sleds.
00:21:23That is how I survived.
00:21:25We came to a place
00:21:27called Glajvac.
00:21:29They put us in open wagons.
00:21:31They drove us
00:21:33with the open wagons.
00:21:35But those are memories.
00:21:37It was just enough
00:21:39to survive.
00:21:43When you say
00:21:45that it was just enough
00:21:47to survive,
00:21:49what was the worst?
00:21:51Was it hunger?
00:21:53Torture?
00:21:55Death?
00:21:57The worst was that
00:21:59you do everything
00:22:01you can,
00:22:03like a duck in water.
00:22:05It just wants to get to the air.
00:22:07It doesn't know anything.
00:22:09You just want to survive.
00:22:11You fight.
00:22:13You would even kill someone
00:22:15if you could just survive,
00:22:17even if you don't know what it is.
00:22:19When I was little,
00:22:21I was thrown on the bottom of the wagon.
00:22:23My right leg was left out.
00:22:25When I came to Dora,
00:22:27when we got out
00:22:29of the open wagons,
00:22:31it was snowing,
00:22:33my leg was frozen.
00:22:35I couldn't stand on my leg.
00:22:37At first,
00:22:39they took me to the hospital.
00:22:41They advised me
00:22:43not to stay in the hospital.
00:22:45They pulled me out
00:22:47of the hospital.
00:22:49I walked
00:22:51and stepped on socks.
00:22:53I threw my leg
00:22:55quite high.
00:22:57I couldn't stand on it.
00:22:59Then,
00:23:01the Americans came again
00:23:03and took us further.
00:23:05That's how we got to Berke-Berzel.
00:23:07How much in such a situation,
00:23:09if you can remember,
00:23:11a man becomes different
00:23:13fighting for his own life.
00:23:15He doesn't care
00:23:17if someone wants to suffer because of him.
00:23:19But as a child,
00:23:21you can't ignore the fact
00:23:23that you were there,
00:23:25apart from the traumatic situations.
00:23:27Did you hang out
00:23:29with other children?
00:23:31Did you play?
00:23:33In addition to your misery
00:23:35and poverty,
00:23:37did you have sympathy?
00:23:39No, I didn't play.
00:23:41Once,
00:23:43I fed rabbits
00:23:45for the SS.
00:23:47That's how I survived.
00:23:49I stole those rabbits,
00:23:51to feed them.
00:23:53Yes, that's how people
00:23:55eat them today.
00:23:57I remember
00:23:59that if I remember
00:24:01at all,
00:24:03I kept geese
00:24:05because I was very weak.
00:24:07I saw in a movie
00:24:09that will be shown
00:24:11this week,
00:24:13an insert
00:24:15where a boy
00:24:17over the fence
00:24:19says that he can't play.
00:24:21Don't forget,
00:24:23that movie
00:24:25is not true.
00:24:27It's fiction.
00:24:29But no one played.
00:24:31Although,
00:24:33they organized
00:24:35football matches
00:24:37when they gathered some players
00:24:39who knew how to play football.
00:24:41So they played
00:24:43against Germany.
00:24:45But there were no games.
00:24:47In our free time,
00:24:49we dug a pool
00:24:51for the Germans
00:24:53in Fürstengrube.
00:24:55When we had to rest,
00:24:57they gave us jackets.
00:24:59We took them off
00:25:01and put them back on.
00:25:03And then,
00:25:05when they dug the shovel,
00:25:07we went around
00:25:09and carried the soil.
00:25:11So we always worked.
00:25:13You say that you wouldn't survive
00:25:15without good people.
00:25:17For the first time,
00:25:19they saved your life.
00:25:21Yes.
00:25:23There was an SS man
00:25:25from Osijek.
00:25:27I don't know his name.
00:25:29He took me under his wing
00:25:31and guarded me.
00:25:33He didn't let anything happen to me.
00:25:35The second time,
00:25:37they saved my life.
00:25:39They carried me
00:25:41and ran with me
00:25:43into a swamp.
00:25:45It was Birkenau.
00:25:47I remember that.
00:25:49The third time,
00:25:51they saved my life.
00:25:53There was a man
00:25:55I had never seen before.
00:25:57He was a Serb.
00:25:59His name was...
00:26:03I remember his name so well.
00:26:05I think his name was Arsen Jovanić.
00:26:07He was killed
00:26:09on a naked island.
00:26:11I heard that because I was interested.
00:26:13He saved my life
00:26:15in such a way
00:26:17that in Bergen-Belsen,
00:26:19when I had typhus and high temperature,
00:26:21he came
00:26:23and pulled me out.
00:26:25They gathered
00:26:27those former officers
00:26:29of the Yugoslav army
00:26:31who were captured in 1941.
00:26:33They gathered
00:26:35all those who said
00:26:37they were Yugoslavs
00:26:39and they saved me.
00:26:41I told him
00:26:43where I was from.
00:26:45I told him about Čakovac.
00:26:47I told him about the crossing of Drava.
00:26:49I told him that my mother
00:26:51was killed in Auschwitz.
00:26:53He told me
00:26:55what I think is better
00:26:57than Benin, by the way.
00:26:59He told me
00:27:01that a woman told me
00:27:03the same story.
00:27:05He didn't lose his mother.
00:27:07We know your mother.
00:27:09Two days before that,
00:27:11he found a woman
00:27:13who spoke Croatian.
00:27:15She told him
00:27:17when he saved her,
00:27:19when he took her out
00:27:21and sent her to the camp
00:27:23where she was recovered.
00:27:25When he sent her there,
00:27:27she told him
00:27:29the same story I told him.
00:27:31In this way,
00:27:33we realized
00:27:35that she was my mother
00:27:37and that she was alive.
00:27:39What did your mother look like?
00:27:45They took her to Esen.
00:27:47It was a town where they were
00:27:49making weapons.
00:27:51She was drilling
00:27:55bullet holes for rifles.
00:27:57She worked there for almost two years.
00:27:59How did your meeting with her look like?
00:28:01First of all,
00:28:03we didn't meet.
00:28:05We almost didn't meet
00:28:07because they put me in the wrong truck.
00:28:09There wasn't a jeep
00:28:11with a Jewish flag
00:28:13or an Israeli flag of 1945.
00:28:17It was a Jewish brigade
00:28:19from Palestine
00:28:21who told the English
00:28:23to go with them
00:28:25against the Germans.
00:28:27He found me there
00:28:29in a forest on the road.
00:28:31I got lost there.
00:28:33It doesn't matter now
00:28:35how I found my way there.
00:28:37He found my mother
00:28:39and brought me there
00:28:41in a jeep with an Israeli flag.
00:28:45Did your mother believe you
00:28:47when she saw you?
00:28:49She was aware of it
00:28:51when she heard it.
00:28:53The second time
00:28:55everyone was crying.
00:28:57There were a lot of women there.
00:28:59We hugged each other.
00:29:01I stayed there with my mother.
00:29:03We went to the hospital.
00:29:05They treated my leg.
00:29:09We went home.
00:29:11We went to Čakovac
00:29:13because we thought my father was there.
00:29:15He never came back.
00:29:17We heard he was killed.
00:29:19I told him
00:29:21about my father.
00:29:23I was filming
00:29:25Hannibal in Virginia
00:29:27during a rainy afternoon.
00:29:31Two or three years later
00:29:33I got a DVD.
00:29:35He was filming
00:29:37a film about my father
00:29:39based on my story.
00:29:41We showed it at the festival.
00:29:45When you talk
00:29:47behind a table
00:29:49everything is very simple.
00:29:51How do you explain
00:29:53everything is very simple?
00:29:55You explain it
00:29:57many times.
00:29:59How did it happen?
00:30:01You are lucky
00:30:03and good people
00:30:05who found their way.
00:30:07How did it happen?
00:30:09It is a cycle
00:30:11in a man's development.
00:30:13It had to be like that.
00:30:15From prehistoric times
00:30:17until today
00:30:19people
00:30:21develop through
00:30:23cycles.
00:30:25That part
00:30:27of the Holocaust
00:30:29is a part
00:30:31that had to be like that.
00:30:33It happened without
00:30:35our will.
00:30:37One day I had
00:30:39a meeting
00:30:41at a celebration.
00:30:43We were showing some films.
00:30:45He was the producer
00:30:47of the American film
00:30:49about the Polish partisans.
00:30:51His name was Moskowicz.
00:30:53He came out
00:30:55and said
00:30:57that the Holocaust
00:30:59would not happen
00:31:01because we Jews
00:31:03would fight.
00:31:05He forgot
00:31:07that out of 6 million Jews
00:31:09who died
00:31:113.5 or 4 million
00:31:13were Orthodox Jews
00:31:15from Russia and Poland.
00:31:17They prayed and believed
00:31:19that God
00:31:21would not allow it.
00:31:23They just prayed.
00:31:25They did not think
00:31:27to take up arms.
00:31:29Why?
00:31:31We are God's children.
00:31:33God will protect us.
00:31:35God did not protect them.
00:31:37They went to the crematory.
00:31:39It is a cycle.
00:31:41Today there are
00:31:43very few people
00:31:45who would not fight.
00:31:47It could not happen.
00:31:49I hope so.
00:31:51Did you visit Auschwitz after the war?
00:31:53Yes, I did.
00:31:55When did you visit?
00:31:57Before the film?
00:31:59I was there before the film.
00:32:01I went just once
00:32:03to find a place for the film.
00:32:05I did not only film
00:32:07Schindler's List,
00:32:09I also filmed a series.
00:32:11The series we filmed
00:32:13in Zagreb.
00:32:15What kind of traumas
00:32:17did you have?
00:32:19I see that you are
00:32:21in a good mood today.
00:32:23You are a bit cynical.
00:32:27No, I was lucky.
00:32:29I was too young.
00:32:31I did not have any trauma.
00:32:33I just wanted to move forward.
00:32:37My wife often tells me
00:32:39that I cry
00:32:41at night.
00:32:43I do not know
00:32:45if I cried
00:32:47and I do not remember my dreams.
00:32:49I think it comes with age.
00:32:51We have been talking about this
00:32:53topic for half an hour.
00:32:55Do people of your generation
00:32:57know enough about this topic?
00:32:59They do not know.
00:33:01Or do they think
00:33:03that you are a boring old man
00:33:05who is repeating his memories?
00:33:07That is right.
00:33:09We have a film tomorrow
00:33:11with a group of young people
00:33:13from America.
00:33:15They filmed an amazing documentary
00:33:17about young people
00:33:19who were interviewing
00:33:21their peers in Germany.
00:33:23They asked them
00:33:25what they think about the Holocaust.
00:33:27Let us be at peace with the Holocaust.
00:33:29We have had enough of it.
00:33:31We are not guilty
00:33:33for the deeds of our ancestors.
00:33:35We will not be guilty
00:33:37and we will not know anything about it.
00:33:39They went to another city
00:33:41in the east of Germany.
00:33:43There they met
00:33:45neo-Nazis
00:33:47who were repeating the same words
00:33:49from the film Crystal Night.
00:33:51They looked at each other
00:33:53and found old Jews
00:33:55like me
00:33:57in Auschwitz.
00:33:59They asked them
00:34:01and they told them the truth.
00:34:03They filmed it
00:34:05and it is a very interesting film.
00:34:07I want to ask them
00:34:09to come to the cinema
00:34:11and ask them questions.
00:34:13I am showing
00:34:15a film
00:34:17about a boy
00:34:19in a striped pyjama.
00:34:21We got permission
00:34:23from the Ministry of Education
00:34:25to bring as many children
00:34:27as possible.
00:34:29I will talk about it
00:34:31and I will explain
00:34:33why they killed
00:34:35children during the Holocaust.
00:34:37I will try to explain
00:34:39that
00:34:41they did not know
00:34:43why they killed children.
00:34:45They did not know why.
00:34:49I will try to explain.
00:34:51I spoke in America.
00:34:53I went to schools.
00:34:55I founded a show
00:34:57with Steven Spielberg.
00:34:59We made
00:35:0155,000 stories
00:35:03even here in Zagreb.
00:35:05I went to
00:35:07those schools
00:35:09and I explained
00:35:11in New York,
00:35:13in Los Angeles
00:35:15and around.
00:35:17I do not know where.
00:35:19There were a lot of questions.
00:35:21I hope that the children understood.
00:35:23I hope that
00:35:25those who heard me
00:35:27would not do it again.
00:35:29I do not know.
00:35:31You lost your voice
00:35:33because of the Ustasha signs.
00:35:35Yes, it shocked me.
00:35:37When I saw Blyberg,
00:35:39I respect the victims of Blyberg.
00:35:41I think it is a big crime.
00:35:43Every crime is big.
00:35:45Every crime is.
00:35:47However,
00:35:49to see
00:35:51that the same children
00:35:53that I will talk about
00:35:55one day later in Europe
00:35:57why they killed us,
00:35:59that the same children sell caps
00:36:01with the Ustasha sign
00:36:03and that my father
00:36:05puts a cap on his head
00:36:07and they laugh
00:36:09with a black cap.
00:36:11I think it is unforgivable.
00:36:13And that everyone watches it
00:36:15and no one says anything.
00:36:17I think it is unforgivable.
00:36:19Mr. Lustig,
00:36:21these are individual examples.
00:36:23People probably have some
00:36:25personal experience
00:36:27when they put caps on their children.
00:36:29However,
00:36:31in less than a week
00:36:33you have a concert in Zagreb
00:36:35where on the official pages
00:36:37of that singer
00:36:39everyone is invited,
00:36:41including you as a citizen of Zagreb.
00:36:43And below it is written
00:36:45God and Croats for a ready house.
00:36:47The Zagreb market will be full.
00:36:49I personally agree with God and Croats.
00:36:51I have nothing against God
00:36:53and I have nothing against Croats.
00:36:55I consider myself a Croatian Jew.
00:36:57I am a Jew of Croatian origin.
00:36:59But
00:37:01to write
00:37:03God and Croats for a ready house
00:37:05I don't know why I don't read it.
00:37:07It shouldn't be like that
00:37:09because my grandfather
00:37:11was taken away
00:37:13for a ready house
00:37:15in Lančar, Jasenovac and he was imprisoned.
00:37:17Accordingly,
00:37:19I am against it and I think it is unacceptable.
00:37:21But you know what?
00:37:23It takes time to recover.
00:37:25It's only been 60 years.
00:37:27Maybe some people
00:37:29need more, some need less.
00:37:31It depends on
00:37:33intelligence,
00:37:35whether they want to understand or not.
00:37:37And when we allow
00:37:39that to happen
00:37:41on the public surface of this city
00:37:43then we definitely
00:37:45have to be wrong
00:37:47in some way
00:37:49which we have not yet understood.
00:37:51The only way
00:37:53for festivals like this
00:37:55is education.
00:37:57And tolerance.
00:37:59Absolutely.
00:38:01Was it because of your experience
00:38:03that you were chosen
00:38:05to be a producer for Spielberg
00:38:07for Schindler's List?
00:38:09I had a wonderful experience
00:38:11with Spielberg.
00:38:13I consider Spielberg
00:38:15to be one of the best.
00:38:17I don't see a better director
00:38:19than Spielberg.
00:38:21He invited me for a conversation
00:38:23which lasted for 5 minutes.
00:38:25That conversation lasted for an hour and a half.
00:38:27We talked for an hour and a half.
00:38:29He asked me
00:38:31almost the same questions
00:38:33that you asked me.
00:38:35That's how we became friends
00:38:37and I became his producer.
00:38:39Was he the pinnacle of your career?
00:38:41I think
00:38:43he was the beginning of the pinnacle.
00:38:45Then I met
00:38:47Ridley Scott
00:38:49and Steven.
00:38:51Gladiator was
00:38:53Steven's film.
00:38:55He was also a producer.
00:38:57He had money.
00:38:59I think
00:39:01Ridley Scott
00:39:03is also a very good director.
00:39:05I had some problems
00:39:07with Ridley at the end,
00:39:09but who doesn't?
00:39:11When a porcelain vase
00:39:13falls and breaks,
00:39:15you can fix it.
00:39:17I think
00:39:19I made my life
00:39:21as good as I could.
00:39:23I am a tolerant person.
00:39:25My daughter,
00:39:27who is in Hague today,
00:39:29helps
00:39:31her lawyer
00:39:33Vesna Laburic
00:39:35as a defender
00:39:37of our general.
00:39:39She is responsible
00:39:41for the house
00:39:43of my mother, Mirjana and me.
00:39:45We tried
00:39:47to act on her.
00:39:51Maybe that's why
00:39:53she chose
00:39:55that call.
00:39:57She says that every man
00:39:59has the right to defend himself.
00:40:01Absolutely.
00:40:05I wanted to ask you...
00:40:07Can I ask you now?
00:40:09Yes, you can.
00:40:11What do you think
00:40:13about Hollywood stars?
00:40:15Who do you think
00:40:17is the most attractive?
00:40:19Who would you like
00:40:21to work with?
00:40:23Directors or actors?
00:40:25I had
00:40:27big problems
00:40:29with George Clooney
00:40:31in the movie
00:40:33The Peacekeepers.
00:40:35I had problems
00:40:37with George Clooney
00:40:39in the movie The Peacekeepers.
00:40:43I still talk to him today.
00:40:45We had terrible problems.
00:40:47He is...
00:40:49He is very manly.
00:40:51He looks charming.
00:40:53I didn't let him
00:40:55act like that.
00:40:57For example,
00:40:59whenever we fixed the lights,
00:41:01he ran out
00:41:03to play basketball.
00:41:05He improvised.
00:41:07I didn't let him
00:41:09because I was afraid
00:41:11that he would break his arm.
00:41:13He broke his arm
00:41:15in Batman.
00:41:17It was very hard
00:41:19to work with him.
00:41:21We broke up.
00:41:23Is it true that you
00:41:25called his manager?
00:41:27What do you mean?
00:41:29He says so.
00:41:31I called his manager
00:41:33to come to Bratislava.
00:41:35I told him
00:41:37that we were supposed
00:41:39to finish in 8 hours
00:41:41but it is 11 now.
00:41:43Mr. Clooney doesn't know the text.
00:41:45Yes, Cinko.
00:41:47I am not Cinko.
00:41:49I don't know what Cinko is.
00:41:51He told that to Spielberg.
00:41:53He wrote a letter to Cinko.
00:41:55Spielberg rejected the letter.
00:41:57No comment.
00:41:59It is true.
00:42:01Then I had
00:42:03the first day with Russell Crowe.
00:42:05We finished it
00:42:07the next morning.
00:42:09We are best friends.
00:42:11He calls me Papa.
00:42:13We are very good friends.
00:42:15I am very good with Anthony Hopkins
00:42:17although he is also very muscular.
00:42:19I wanted to say that.
00:42:21Russell Crowe is a perfect
00:42:23role model.
00:42:25I worked with him in three movies.
00:42:27I worked with him
00:42:29in Gladiator.
00:42:31I worked with him
00:42:35in
00:42:37Dobra godina.
00:42:39In the end, you worked with a gangster.
00:42:41Yes, I worked with a gangster.
00:42:43I worked with him.
00:42:45He is very muscular.
00:42:47He lives in...
00:42:49I give him a hotel in New York.
00:42:51The best hotel.
00:42:53He wants to live in a village outside of New York.
00:42:55Of course,
00:42:57it takes two hours to get to the set.
00:42:59He wants to go by helicopter.
00:43:01In New York, you can't get off the helicopter
00:43:03wherever you want.
00:43:05So, we had a little...
00:43:07In the end, I gave him a boat.
00:43:09So,
00:43:11he came to the set.
00:43:13So,
00:43:15he is muscular.
00:43:17But you have to know where to let go.
00:43:19That's why I am a producer.
00:43:21Can you explain to the viewers
00:43:23what your job is?
00:43:25When everything goes well,
00:43:27I drink coffee,
00:43:29I eat,
00:43:31and everything goes well.
00:43:33However,
00:43:35wherever I let go,
00:43:37whatever happens,
00:43:39the problem is that
00:43:41I don't have a phone in Bratislava,
00:43:43in my trailer,
00:43:45in my house,
00:43:47because we can't get a line.
00:43:49At that time,
00:43:51we didn't have a phone.
00:43:53So, the problem is
00:43:55that the main actress didn't get coffee
00:43:57in the way she wanted
00:43:59or there was no milk.
00:44:01So, the problem is that
00:44:03the laboratory didn't get a line
00:44:05to London, because they opened
00:44:07in Carinavnica.
00:44:09All of that,
00:44:11in the end, is the producer's problem.
00:44:13As long as everything goes well,
00:44:15there is no problem at all.
00:44:17So, the job seemed very hard.
00:44:19Well, there was a lot.
00:44:21You know, I am very pedantic.
00:44:23I don't know who said this,
00:44:25but you are a very strict man.
00:44:27You know, I learned discipline
00:44:29in Auschwitz.
00:44:31That's a serious irony.
00:44:35My first film was a German film
00:44:37and it was called
00:44:39Denka often piraška.
00:44:41I learned it there.
00:44:43Don't forget that I did
00:44:45another film that won an Oscar.
00:44:47I did it
00:44:49on a much more important
00:44:51job.
00:44:53I was an assistant.
00:44:55I wasn't even an assistant,
00:44:57I was a director's assistant
00:44:59in the film
00:45:01Blumen im Umban,
00:45:03by Volker Schlendorff,
00:45:05which is a purely German film.
00:45:07I learned discipline.
00:45:09I learned that when you say
00:45:11eight, then it's eight.
00:45:13That the driver comes ten minutes earlier.
00:45:15That people come earlier.
00:45:17That people
00:45:19can't come as trained
00:45:21as they want to the set.
00:45:23The set is a place
00:45:25where
00:45:27art should rule.
00:45:29People have to be polite,
00:45:31they can't be rude.
00:45:33I led a lot of Croats
00:45:35all over the world.
00:45:37I have phenomenal pictures
00:45:39from Gladiator,
00:45:41half of the crew were Croats.
00:45:43These are all my friends
00:45:45that I talk to today.
00:45:47I'm a bit older,
00:45:49but I never
00:45:51allowed anyone
00:45:53to be indisciplined.
00:45:55People call it strict,
00:45:57but it's not.
00:45:59If you want to do a job,
00:46:01you have to be disciplined.
00:46:03I teach at an academy
00:46:05and I'm very happy
00:46:07that there are so many good young people
00:46:09at the Zagreb Academy.
00:46:11The Zagreb Academy
00:46:13is a source,
00:46:15Dr. Branka Gavele,
00:46:17but
00:46:19today there are
00:46:21a lot of young people
00:46:23who want to be
00:46:25producers and actors.
00:46:27I taught them.
00:46:29My classes were full
00:46:31and people didn't
00:46:33stay inside.
00:46:35I told everyone that
00:46:37discipline and script
00:46:39are the most important.
00:46:41Did Nicole Kidman respect
00:46:43your discipline?
00:46:45I'm sorry?
00:46:47Did Nicole Kidman respect
00:46:49your discipline?
00:46:51Did Nicole Kidman respect
00:46:53your discipline?
00:46:55I was with her.
00:46:57Was she
00:46:59indisciplined as well?
00:47:01Let me see.
00:47:03It's not that.
00:47:05One day
00:47:07she came to me
00:47:09and started crying.
00:47:11She said
00:47:13that she can't do it anymore.
00:47:15I told her
00:47:17that I always
00:47:19kept contracts.
00:47:21I told her that
00:47:23she still had 12 days
00:47:25to shoot.
00:47:27She started crying.
00:47:29I told her
00:47:31that she had to stay
00:47:33and go to Maramica
00:47:35to wipe her tears
00:47:37and ruin her make-up.
00:47:39She left.
00:47:41The next day
00:47:43her assistant
00:47:45went to Bratislava
00:47:47and bought me a box of Maramica.
00:47:49Why was she crying?
00:47:51She was crying because
00:47:53there was a lot going on.
00:47:55There was a lot of fighting.
00:47:57With Cruz?
00:47:59Yes.
00:48:01You have to deal
00:48:03with everything.
00:48:05Julianne Moore
00:48:07is a very disciplined actress.
00:48:09She is very close
00:48:11to Anthony Hopkins.
00:48:13He speaks English very well.
00:48:15I had very nice conversations
00:48:17with him.
00:48:19I remember him very well.
00:48:21We always greet each other
00:48:23and talk.
00:48:25How much did it cost you?
00:48:27I told everyone that I am an actor.
00:48:29That's how I introduced myself.
00:48:31I always said that I am not
00:48:33just a producer.
00:48:35I am an actor.
00:48:37A colleague.
00:48:39That's how it started.
00:48:41I had a good relationship with everyone.
00:48:43How much does an average American movie
00:48:45cost?
00:48:47You worked on it.
00:48:49I worked on it.
00:48:51My movies cost
00:48:57between 80 and
00:48:59147 million.
00:49:01In a way,
00:49:03the financier trusted you
00:49:05to take care of the money.
00:49:07That was the question of the producer.
00:49:09I had a fight with Spielberg
00:49:11and the directors
00:49:13of Universal.
00:49:15At that time,
00:49:17they didn't give us
00:49:1918 million dollars
00:49:21for Schindler's List.
00:49:23Don't forget
00:49:25that it was very early.
00:49:271992.
00:49:29However, I managed
00:49:31to get another 5 million dollars.
00:49:33We made Schindler's List
00:49:35for 23 million dollars.
00:49:39The last movie
00:49:43cost 116 million dollars.
00:49:45The one you worked on?
00:49:47That's a gangster movie.
00:49:49I worked on it with Universal.
00:49:55The one with Orlando Bloom
00:49:57cost
00:49:59147 million dollars.
00:50:01Do you have a feeling
00:50:03when people talk about you in Croatia,
00:50:05that you are
00:50:07seen as an Oscar winner?
00:50:09Only Croatian Oscar winner
00:50:11Dušan Vukotić stands out.
00:50:13In the last few interviews,
00:50:15it has been emphasized that he is a loser.
00:50:17Why is that?
00:50:19You had a fight with Ridley Scott
00:50:21because of that.
00:50:23If I'm not mistaken,
00:50:25he was supposed to win.
00:50:27No, it wasn't because of that.
00:50:29It was because of the money.
00:50:33He spent too much
00:50:35on the wardrobe
00:50:37of the actor.
00:50:39I didn't give it to him.
00:50:41We fought a lot.
00:50:43That's a bit of a joke.
00:50:45Let's get back to the Oscar.
00:50:47Is what you do
00:50:49authentic?
00:50:51Is it artistic?
00:50:53You can say that
00:50:55the Oscar is as relevant
00:50:57as any other.
00:50:59Those who despise Lustig say
00:51:01that he is not an author
00:51:03but he won the Oscar.
00:51:05I am not an author
00:51:07but I contributed a lot
00:51:09to the author
00:51:11to win the Oscar.
00:51:13Don't forget
00:51:15that I helped Ridley
00:51:17to write Gladiator at night.
00:51:19We made the texts.
00:51:21We were looking for new writers.
00:51:23Every night
00:51:25I sent the texts
00:51:27to Spielberg and Parks
00:51:29in Los Angeles
00:51:31to approve them.
00:51:37I tried very hard
00:51:39to make the film
00:51:41as artistic as possible.
00:51:43Schlendorf admitted that.
00:51:45He was the only one
00:51:47who admitted that.
00:51:49I have a statement
00:51:51from Steven.
00:51:53He said that it wasn't me.
00:51:55It was Schindler's List.
00:51:57I helped him.
00:51:59I think it is a kind of
00:52:01an author's work.
00:52:03To become an author
00:52:05and an artist
00:52:07is something you can't learn.
00:52:09You can't become a director
00:52:11if you don't have a heart.
00:52:13You can't become a good painter
00:52:15if you don't have a heart.
00:52:17You can't become a painter
00:52:19if you don't have a heart.
00:52:21You can't become a director
00:52:23if you don't have a heart.
00:52:27I studied that at the Academy
00:52:29for four years.
00:52:31I was told
00:52:33that I would do it one day.
00:52:35They didn't know
00:52:37that I would win the Oscar.
00:52:39What did you ask me?
00:52:41I asked you
00:52:43if it was incredible
00:52:45when I look at you.
00:52:47It is incredible.
00:52:49When they announced me
00:52:51as a doctor,
00:52:53I was surprised.
00:52:55I am a doctor,
00:52:57Vladimir Nazar,
00:52:59we are only for art.
00:53:01Maybe that's why
00:53:03I am so confident.
00:53:05How?
00:53:07Today I am confident
00:53:09because Shogo told me
00:53:11that every time I have
00:53:13I hope that he is satisfied.
00:53:15Greetings to Shogo.
00:53:17What do you think about domestic movies?
00:53:19You are here more often.
00:53:21Do you follow the domestic production?
00:53:23I do.
00:53:25Can you praise someone?
00:53:27I like some movies.
00:53:29I don't know if it's because
00:53:31I love Dejan Šorak.
00:53:33Maybe because
00:53:35I worked with him
00:53:37on his first movie, Tramvajka.
00:53:39I love Ivan.
00:53:41He is my friend.
00:53:43I hope I can help him
00:53:45in his new movie.
00:53:47The topic of Ivan's movie
00:53:49that is coming
00:53:51is also a topic
00:53:53that touches me.
00:53:55It is a journey to Auschwitz.
00:53:57It is a journey...
00:53:59No, it is not.
00:54:01It is the life of a small
00:54:03temple in Zagreb.
00:54:05But unfortunately
00:54:07it ends
00:54:09with the Holocaust.
00:54:11Again, someone will say
00:54:13that it is the work of the Holocaust.
00:54:15But at that time
00:54:17the life of all Jews
00:54:19ended in the Holocaust.
00:54:21That was the time.
00:54:23I hope
00:54:25that Ivan will make
00:54:27a beautiful movie
00:54:29and that Daria,
00:54:31that little Volksdeutscher
00:54:33from Osijek
00:54:35and that little Jew from Zagreb
00:54:37will warm up the audience
00:54:39and that this movie
00:54:41will have some meaning in the world.
00:54:43Today, more and more people
00:54:45visit Cannes.
00:54:47In Cannes, there are 3-4 movies
00:54:49with Jewish themes.
00:54:51One would not expect
00:54:53that 60 years later...
00:54:55It is like Western.
00:54:57There are always stories.
00:54:59There are 6 million stories
00:55:01that are not told.
00:55:03You mentioned Cannes.
00:55:05Can the popularity of the movie
00:55:07in the world allow
00:55:09that after the premiere
00:55:11of the movie in Cannes,
00:55:13when people say that the movie
00:55:15is made for the audience?
00:55:17Those who have money.
00:55:19If he has a producer
00:55:21who gives him money,
00:55:23he can do whatever he wants.
00:55:25What does he care?
00:55:27Look at the audience in Cannes.
00:55:29Not all, but...
00:55:31Who?
00:55:33Nothing.
00:55:35You are constantly asked
00:55:37about the movie in the war.
00:55:39What is my question?
00:55:41All of you expect...
00:55:43I have a feeling
00:55:45that you are confused.
00:55:47All of you expect
00:55:49that you will find a script
00:55:51for Neret or Kozara.
00:55:53We do not have Neret in Kozara.
00:55:55I think Kozara is the best
00:55:57Yugoslavian movie.
00:55:59No, you are wrong.
00:56:01Neret and Kozara.
00:56:03In Kozara,
00:56:05I helped the director more.
00:56:07Don't forget
00:56:09that I was still
00:56:11a kid.
00:56:13I still carried coffee.
00:56:15People say
00:56:17that I carried coffee.
00:56:19I was...
00:56:21I did not help Bauer
00:56:23that much.
00:56:25But I lived with Veljko
00:56:27in Kozara and I think
00:56:29it is a very good movie.
00:56:31What was the question?
00:56:33The question was
00:56:35about the war.
00:56:37I was
00:56:39in Zadar,
00:56:41in Sibenik.
00:56:43In Sibenik.
00:56:45It does not matter.
00:56:47I talked to the defenders.
00:56:51I promised them
00:56:53that if I send
00:56:55a good script,
00:56:57I will find a producer
00:56:59and I will make a movie
00:57:01about the war.
00:57:03But I don't want
00:57:05the movie to be sad.
00:57:07I don't want people to die.
00:57:09I want a movie
00:57:11where people
00:57:13after the war
00:57:15start a new life.
00:57:17Like me,
00:57:19when I left the camp.
00:57:21I want them to have
00:57:23a positive side
00:57:25and I want them to know
00:57:27that such a movie
00:57:29does not end with
00:57:31murders and suicides.
00:57:33I will try to make
00:57:35such a movie.
00:57:37Since then,
00:57:39such a movie has not come.
00:57:41When we were preparing
00:57:43for the show,
00:57:45you asked me
00:57:47if there would be
00:57:49a conversation about politics.
00:57:51I said no.
00:57:53Tudjman is good,
00:57:55Stjepan Mesic is also good.
00:57:57You can find him in Berlin.
00:57:59You are also the current
00:58:01Prime Minister of the Senate.
00:58:03Do you think that you are not
00:58:05a conflicted people?
00:58:07How can I measure
00:58:09anything in the Senate?
00:58:11If there was no Senate,
00:58:13I would not be able
00:58:15to make this festival.
00:58:17The Jewish community
00:58:19was silenced
00:58:21and there was no Croatian government.
00:58:23How can I measure
00:58:25anything in the Senate?
00:58:27Besides that, I know the Senate.
00:58:29I am not only asking about the Senate.
00:58:31Mesic was also there.
00:58:33Mesic was my statistician
00:58:35in Neoključe za sine.
00:58:37Do you remember him?
00:58:39Of course.
00:58:41We discussed it.
00:58:43I stayed with him.
00:58:45I was with Tudjman.
00:58:47I remember that
00:58:49Tudjman
00:58:51in the year when we
00:58:53issued a permit for Kozara
00:58:55and we needed
00:58:57uniforms, not uniforms,
00:58:59but weapons.
00:59:01I went to Belgrade and Tudjman
00:59:03signed for me.
00:59:05He was working in the General Staff
00:59:07in the Political Department.
00:59:09He signed an approval
00:59:11that I can get weapons.
00:59:13I knew all those people.
00:59:15I did not have any problems.
00:59:17You did not have any problems with them.
00:59:19Let's not talk about that now.
00:59:21Tell us in a minute
00:59:23when the Jewish Film Festival
00:59:25starts today.
00:59:27The Jewish Film Festival
00:59:29starts today.
00:59:31I hope there will be a lot of people
00:59:33today.
00:59:35I invite all those
00:59:37who want to learn
00:59:39about what we talked about today
00:59:41to come.
00:59:43It will be interesting.
00:59:45There is no ticket.
00:59:47There is no free ticket.
00:59:49Until the hall is filled
00:59:51and then we start the film.
00:59:53I did not allow people to pay
00:59:55the entrance fee for something
00:59:57that I got money for.
00:59:59We do not want to charge.
01:00:01In addition to learning about Jews
01:00:03and paying the ticket,
01:00:05it would be too much.
01:00:07It is not just a festival about Jews.
01:00:09It is a festival about children.
01:00:11It is called the Jewish Festival.
01:00:13Thank you for your presence in the show.
01:00:15I wish you success in your life.
01:00:19Dear viewers,
01:00:21that's all for today.
01:00:23See you next time.
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