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00:00Welcome to The Reporters. I am Khawar Guman and I have with me panelists Chaudhary Gulam
00:24Hansan Sahib, Haider Naqvi Sahib and Hassan Ayyub.
00:28Ladies and gentlemen, there are a lot of records that have been made in Pakistan today.
00:31There are such records that if you start talking about them, you can cover the entire program on one record.
00:39But what can we do? We are forced to talk about all these records.
00:44The first record, ladies and gentlemen, is that on the land of Pakistan, the British,
00:50our former colonial powers, they have scored 823 runs on the pitch of Multan, a mountainous score.
00:59For the first time in the 21st century, a test cricket team has scored such a big score.
01:05And now the latest news we are getting is that six Pakistani players have been out.
01:11And it seems that we are facing more than one innings of defeat and tomorrow this match will be over.
01:18The second record, ladies and gentlemen, which has been made in today's political history,
01:23let me show you a picture. This record was made in Peshawar.
01:28And when this picture was seen, people like us, who are less educated, comment a lot on politics.
01:35They also put their fingers under their teeth.
01:40First of all, look at this picture. In the picture, you will see Respected Chief Minister Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
01:49who has long, long hair, nice moustache, Respected Ali Ameen Gandapur Sahib.
01:56On his right is Respected Faisal Kareem Kundi Sahib. Our friend is very happy.
02:02He also has very nice hair. He has a lot of gel.
02:06And on his left, you can see our respected Interior Minister.
02:12These days, he is the only one-man army. He is doing all the work.
02:18Whether the work is being done or not, he is heading the PCB.
02:21The internal security issues of Pakistan, as an Interior Minister, they have to see.
02:27Along with that, the political disputes, you have seen them often.
02:32If you can show it in the footage.
02:34I think they have gone to meet Maulana Sahib more than half a dozen times.
02:41In the background of the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem.
02:44And you will also see Respected Nawaz Sharif Sahib, the President of PMLN.
02:51You will also see the current President, Asif Ali Dardari Sahib.
02:54Asif Ali Dardari Sahib has called him his son, like a son.
03:00After that, he is doing everything.
03:04So, this picture of Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin Sahib has come in front of us.
03:08Now, one comment on this picture, which is very good.
03:12In my opinion, whatever the circumstances are in KP,
03:16keeping in mind the security situation there,
03:19it is very good that despite all the ideological differences,
03:23these people are sitting together.
03:25And the news is that the issues of security that are going on there,
03:29the issues that are going on with the Qaladam Jamaat,
03:32to resolve those issues, the government has been given the authority.
03:37Chaudhary Sahib, looking at this picture of yours,
03:39and looking at the current political situation of Pakistan,
03:42what comes to your mind?
03:44It is very good.
03:45I think it is Pakistan's good development.
03:50The federation will go towards expansion.
03:53And the PTM has given the Chief Minister the authority to negotiate with him.
03:58And he will be shocked today.
04:01He was saying that they are attacking the state,
04:04crush them, blow their moustaches, do this, do that.
04:08So, now they will hide their moustaches.
04:10We have said before, don't go so far.
04:14Mr. Nagri, I will come to you.
04:16Whatever was going on, there were demands of the PTI people,
04:20they were saying that this is a matter of constitutional reform,
04:22we are not being listened to.
04:24This kind of picture, which happened over the weekend,
04:28the poor people of Islamabad, the people of Rabalpindi,
04:32the pain they were in,
04:33could have been prevented if this kind of picture had come out earlier.
04:36Why do we put the situation in such a way that
04:40later we understand that we can work together.
04:43Mr. Nagri?
04:45Look, it is a very good picture.
04:47And the kind of picture you talked about could have come out last week as well.
04:53So, it is a matter of great praise that the PTI realised this.
04:57This is a matter of great praise.
04:59The government has been talking to the PTI about this for a long time.
05:03The Prime Minister went to the Parliament floor and said,
05:06you come, you sit in a democratic manner,
05:08talk, we are ready to talk to you,
05:10but you were saying that we will not talk.
05:12So, these are the consequences that have started to come,
05:14which is a ban on meetings.
05:16And this is leading to the improvement of Pakistan,
05:18because it is Mr. Imran Khan who used to say that U-turns are good.
05:22U-turn means that whatever you say, it should be reversed.
05:25It means that in your dictionary, every word has the opposite meaning.
05:29If you say absolutely not, it means absolutely yes.
05:33If you say that we are slaves,
05:35it means that we are ready to become slaves.
05:38If you say that we are democratic,
05:39it means that you want to say that we are the most democratic.
05:42Do something else, do something else.
05:43If you say, let me complete, let me complete.
05:45If you say that you are honest,
05:47it means that you are allowing the most corruption.
05:50So, the fact is that the U-turns that you kept taking,
05:52which you kept contradicting your words,
05:55now the consequences have started to come
05:57when you have started meeting.
05:58Okay.
05:59Mr. Producer, if we talk to Bureau Chief Peshawar,
06:03meanwhile I will talk to Hassan.
06:06Hassan, a lot of your friends,
06:09on social media,
06:10that if Gandhapur comes to Islamabad,
06:11then his hair will be cut,
06:13moustache will be cut,
06:14and the statements that are made,
06:16that is how it works in politics.
06:18In the past also,
06:19what was to be done by cutting the stomach,
06:21in politics, every day is a new day.
06:23How are you looking at this development?
06:26By the way, another record has been made today.
06:27Are you asking about cricket?
06:28No, no, in cricket,
06:29Bani PTI's sisters are telling the investigators
06:33that they have found a lot of explosives,
06:36which that day they were going to blow up.
06:38Now I don't know where they were going to blow up.
06:39Basically, there is an issue with the mobile phone.
06:41They said that the password is not being given.
06:43They said that the mobile phone is with the police.
06:45But anyway, that is a different matter.
06:47It would have been better if this picture had come last week.
06:50So for this picture,
06:52the loyal government was ready to engage with Ali Amin Gandhapur.
06:56Now Ali Amin used to say that if there is a talk,
06:59then he should talk to the resident of Adiala.
07:02Then the federal government said,
07:03no, we will not talk, he is disabled.
07:07He is out of Pakistan's politics.
07:09So the person who cannot become a consul,
07:11why should we engage him?
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22:10Ladies and gentlemen,
22:12yesterday Khwaja Asif
22:14talked about the
22:16non-satisfaction of sin,
22:18listen to what he is saying
22:20about the INA bench.
22:22If a constitutional court
22:24is made from within the
22:26bench, then it is easy.
22:28I mean,
22:30it is a matter of
22:32non-satisfaction of sin.
22:34See,
22:36he is adding to it,
22:38the proposal has come
22:40that a constitutional court
22:42should not be made,
22:44a constitutional bench should be made.
22:46No one wants to leave power.
22:48Do you understand what I am saying?
22:50And they want to keep the
22:52power completely.
22:54Where did this proposal
22:56come from?
22:58Leave it,
23:00you will find out.
23:02Salman Akram Rai,
23:04what are you saying
23:06that if a constitutional court
23:08is made within the Supreme Court,
23:10can this be an option?
23:12He said that possibly
23:14it could be a JUI proposal,
23:16and the number of judges
23:18can be increased to 22 or 25.
23:20So I think this is a very
23:22feasible proposal.
23:24Are you also in favor of this
23:26proposal?
23:28Are you the creator of this?
23:30Or is it Kamran Murtaza?
23:32Put light on this too.
23:34This is absolutely reasonable.
23:36Increase the number of judges.
23:38Keep 17 judges for
23:40medical, military and tax matters.
23:42A bench of 5 judges
23:44under one Chief Justice.
23:46There will not be two equal courts.
23:48If the bench is made,
23:50all your excuses
23:52will be over.
23:54Okay, Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshan,
23:56I was listening in India,
23:58I read somewhere,
24:00that in the late 90s,
24:02this issue came to them,
24:04and they adopted this policy.
24:06Because more or less,
24:08they share the common law with us.
24:10Because our history is one.
24:12So there, within the court,
24:14a bench of 5 judges
24:16has been made,
24:18and the same issues are seen.
24:20So what is the reason?
24:22Why do you want to make a separate court?
24:24Their aims were different.
24:26To make a separate court,
24:28to put their favorite judges
24:30there,
24:32and to prevent
24:34these issues,
24:36and these 8 judges
24:38who have put them on the bench
24:40of women,
24:42and we sit there.
24:44I am telling you one thing every day,
24:46that the real aim is
24:48to cover the 8 articles
24:50they have done.
24:52That's all.
24:54And the people involved in the crimes,
24:56if someone has to give an extension,
24:58or a period,
25:00or if someone has to do something,
25:02there are many other things
25:04which they are not bringing forward.
25:06I myself don't want to go to them.
25:08They will give their own instructions.
25:10Like today,
25:12Ali Ameen Gandapur,
25:14who was seen as the biggest
25:16enemy of the country,
25:18today he was told that he will do
25:20all this.
25:22So let the rest come in the same way,
25:24then I will talk.
25:26We will wait for that day.
25:28I spoke to my law minister last night,
25:30on the telephone.
25:32I asked the Minister of Law,
25:34he said,
25:36that you are not sharing
25:38the deal yet.
25:40He confirmed that
25:42he will not include
25:44anything new in this
25:46constitutional amendment,
25:48which I talked about
25:50in the All Pakistan Wukla Convention.
25:52Apart from that,
25:54he told me that
25:56all the representatives
25:58of all the bars,
26:00he said that the biggest stakeholders
26:02in this amendment
26:04are the Wuklas of Pakistan.
26:06You have not asked them
26:08that in the whole world,
26:10even in the weakest
26:12democracies,
26:14when a constitutional amendment is made,
26:16the government,
26:18even in the last 8 days,
26:20the 18th amendment,
26:22the pages that were published,
26:24the feedback was taken
26:26from the civil society,
26:28the journalists,
26:30the civil society,
26:32and they said that
26:34the stakeholders are not
26:36the civil society,
26:38the stakeholders are the Wuklas.
26:40Mr. Nagbir,
26:42the problem is that,
26:44let me tell you again,
26:46Mr. Khawaja Asif is talking
26:48about power,
26:50but he does not want to leave power.
26:52Who does not want to leave power?
26:54Let me tell you again.
26:56A proposal has come
26:58that a constitutional court
27:00should not be made,
27:02but a constitutional bench should be made.
27:04No one wants to leave power.
27:06Do you understand what I am saying?
27:08And they want to keep power
27:10in their hands.
27:12Where did this proposal
27:14come from?
27:16Leave it.
27:18Who does not want to leave power?
27:20They want reforms,
27:22they want judicial reforms,
27:24they want the welfare of the common people,
27:26it is a good thing,
27:28there should be reforms,
27:30cheap justice, foreign justice,
27:32for everyone.
27:34Yesterday, Mr. Zardari said
27:36that the judges will not be able
27:38to control the judges.
27:40I don't know where this word
27:42came from.
27:44Now he is saying that
27:46he is talking about a proud person
27:48who wants to become Chaudhary.
27:50A proud Chaudhary.
27:52He did the 19th amendment
27:54and affected Pakistan
27:56like Covid-19
27:58has affected the world.
28:00Similarly, the 19th amendment
28:02of Pakistan's politics
28:04has affected the politics of Pakistan
28:06and the democracy of the parliament.
28:08Our Tahiyat Qaid
28:10led the long march
28:12to make Fawad Chaudhary
28:14the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
28:16He is a historical figure.
28:18Judicial politics ends
28:20with Fawad Chaudhary.
28:22You know who Musharraf's co-agent was.
28:24I understand.
28:26Viewers, Khaiyat Asif
28:28is worried that
28:30he will be arrested.
28:32The Election Commission
28:34has been sitting for two days
28:36and no decision has been made
28:38on the letter
28:40written by Speaker Ayaan Sadiq.
28:42If the senior penal judge
28:44becomes the Chief Justice,
28:46he will have to implement
28:48the decision written by him.
28:50If he doesn't,
28:52he will face consequences.
28:54What is Khaiyat Asif's
28:56concern?
28:58The election can be audited
29:00or the system
29:02can be terminated
29:04through it.
29:06What is the context of that statement?
29:08When the decision was made,
29:10was it 8-5?
29:12The majority decision
29:14of the eight judges.
29:16Yes, the majority decision.
29:18The PTI people
29:20said a lot
29:22about it.
29:24They portrayed this thing
29:26or this decision as their victory.
29:28The structure of that decision
29:30or the structuring
29:32of that decision,
29:34I put it in the context
29:36and said at that time
29:38that this is leading to something
29:40much more sinister.
29:42In that context,
29:44I said yesterday
29:46that this possibility
29:48is there
29:50and the PTI people
29:52said a lot at that time
29:54but even now they
29:56express their confidence
29:58that let this 25 pass.
30:00After that, it will be decided.
30:02Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
30:04this
30:06You
30:08laugh a lot.
30:10You are not talking today.
30:12You finish the conversation
30:14in one or two sentences.
30:16I will ask you a couple of questions.
30:18Answer them one by one.
30:20Is the Constitutional Amendment
30:22happening?
30:24Will the Chief Justice
30:26become with all the powers
30:28on 26th?
30:30Because according to Hassan,
30:32he doubts.
30:34What is your assessment,
30:36what is your experience,
30:38what is your news in this regard?
30:40The news is that they are hell-bent
30:42that they want to
30:44destroy the Supreme Court
30:46and the courts.
30:48They want to break them
30:50into pieces and make them
30:52their own.
30:54Although their plans
30:56will not succeed,
30:58they are also in the quest
31:00of the Constitutional Court.
31:02And another amendment
31:04they want to make is that
31:06the government officials or judges
31:08who retire cannot fight
31:10elections for two years.
31:12They want to end it.
31:14So they have many
31:16such dramas.
31:18And they are not alone.
31:20So I am saying
31:22to wait a little.
31:24Whatever they do,
31:26it falls into their necks.
31:28What they were doing a week ago,
31:30what they are doing today
31:32in Peshawar,
31:34they should have
31:36hidden their faces.
31:38Today, they are sitting
31:40at the feet of the same Chief Minister
31:42asking him to take care of everything.
31:44He was crying earlier
31:46that this is our province,
31:48our country,
31:50let's save it together
31:52and avoid bloodshed.
31:54At that time,
31:56he was a ghost rider.
31:58Do you think I will
32:00seal Guanrao?
32:02His lease has expired.
32:04The decision has come today.
32:06He has been desealed.
32:08How long has it been since his lease expired?
32:10He has been desealed.
32:12He has renewed
32:14the lease of Sindh.
32:16He has already noticed Punjab.
32:18He said that I will come back.
32:20Hassan, you said that
32:22the same constitution
32:24that he shared will remain the same.
32:26Did he share anything
32:28with you?
32:30He said that
32:32there are no military courts.
32:34He specifically asked
32:36that there are no issues
32:38related to human rights.
32:40He said that the same
32:42constitutional court
32:44will remain the same.
32:46There will be a separate
32:48court.
32:50If there is a court,
32:52there will be a Chief Justice.
32:54Secondly,
32:56the Judicial Commission
32:58will have equal representation
33:00of government and opposition
33:02members.
33:06Thirdly,
33:08the accountability of judges
33:10will be maintained.
33:12I have not asked him
33:14about the transfer.
33:16Mr. Chaudhary
33:18and all of you
33:20said that the way
33:22the government is running
33:24is to prevent
33:26elections from being audited.
33:28The first forum
33:30to challenge someone
33:32is the Election Tribunal.
33:34The Supreme Court
33:36is under the eyes of Pakistan.
33:38Even if the Chief Justice
33:40of the Supreme Court
33:42wants to take up the issue,
33:44he cannot do it.
33:46Under the eyes of Pakistan,
33:48the first forum
33:50to challenge someone
33:52is the Election Tribunal.
33:54Mr. Chaudhary,
33:56do you remember
33:58what the former
34:00Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
34:02said yesterday?
34:04Mr. Chaudhary,
34:06do you remember
34:08what the former
34:10Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
34:12said yesterday?
34:14Mr. Chaudhary,
34:16do you remember
34:18what the former
34:20Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
34:22said yesterday?
34:48Mr. Chaudhary,
34:50Mr. Chaudhary,
34:52Mr. Chaudhary,
34:54Mr. Chaudhary,
34:56Mr. Chaudhary,
34:58Mr. Chaudhary,
35:00Mr. Chaudhary,
35:02Mr. Chaudhary,
35:04Mr. Chaudhary,
35:06Mr. Chaudhary,
35:08Mr. Chaudhary,
35:10Mr. Chaudhary,
35:12Mr. Chaudhary,
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35:28Mr. Chaudhary,
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40:54Mr. Chaudhary,
40:56Mr. Chaudhary,
40:58Mr. Chaudhary,
41:00Mr. Chaudhary,
41:02Mr. Chaudhary,
41:04Mr. Chaudhary,
41:06Mr. Chaudhary,
41:08Mr. Chaudhary,
41:10Mr. Chaudhary,
41:12Mr. Chaudhary,
41:14Mr. Chaudhary,
41:16Mr. Chaudhary,
41:18Mr. Chaudhary,
41:20The report of Almi Bank says that poverty is a little high, it should not be low, the
41:27government is talking about it, and along with it, the poverty rate is directly proportional
41:32to the growth in our population.
41:34First of all, tell us, why is the poverty rate high?
41:37What is the reason for this?
41:39Actually, in the report of World Bank today, it has been said that there is still a lot
41:44of poverty in the world.
41:46The growth rate that should have come in Pakistan has not come yet.
41:50At present, Pakistan has to give employment to 16 lakh young people annually.
41:55For that, at least your growth rate will go up to 6%, then you can give this growth.
42:00And now we are?
42:01And now we are not even at 2.5%.
42:03So for that, our population growth has increased more and our economic growth is slow.
42:08What is the population official record?
42:102.4% annually.
42:11But the unofficial is going up to 3%.
42:14Yes, this is what is happening.
42:16This is what all the people are saying in Pakistan.
42:19If you catch the momentum of growth, how will it happen?
42:22That the interest rate has started to decrease, now you get employment opportunities, industries
42:27should be opened, the environment of business should be improved.
42:30As the Minister of Treasury has just given a briefing that there are such factories
42:34in Pakistan, which are about 7,000 factories in Pakistan.
42:38which are about 7,000 factories in Pakistan.
42:43Because of them, those companies that are doing genuine work, they are at a loss.
42:47Okay, tell me that a lot of industries have shut down, especially the textile industry
42:52has a lot of concentration in Faisalabad.
42:55The small and medium industries are almost closed at this time.
43:00How long do you think it will start to open?
43:03The government is telling us about a positive impact.
43:06They are saying that in the coming days, we will reduce the interest rate further.
43:09There should be some impact on that too.
43:11What do you think about that?
43:12Two things are very good.
43:14The government has not bought the investment bond worth 300 billion rupees.
43:20They were not getting a good rate.
43:22They said that they will get it at a lower rate.
43:24So this 300 billion rupees will go towards industries.
43:27At the same time, there is a possibility that the interest rate will decrease by 4%.
43:32After that, we will see that if there are cheaper loans in Pakistan,
43:36then the industries will be able to get it.
43:38And employment will be available.
43:41In addition, if electricity is cheaper, then that will be the real impact for the industries.
43:48Yes, Mr. Nagesh.
43:50The World Bank report on poverty, that poverty has increased in Pakistan.
43:54It is not only about Pakistan.
43:56If you look at it, it is also about India, the UK and European countries.
44:01Poverty has increased in the world after the post-Covid-19 crisis in Ukraine and the Middle East.
44:06Mr. Nagesh, we know that the real problem of Pakistan is that
44:12the buying power of the common people is much lower than that of other countries.
44:20Our per capita income is not equal to anyone's.
44:23Now, the neighboring countries, people are also talking about Afghanistan.
44:27So those are our problems.
44:29It is not that there are no problems.
44:30Mr. Ghulam Sahib, before leaving, I would like to know from you that
44:34these two young men say that the longer the relations will not be good,
44:40the better the situation in Pakistan will be.
44:46They are not planning to talk about anything.
44:50What will they do?
44:53I said, let them be patient for a while.
44:56Today, Ali Amin is being criticized.
44:59So let them wait for a few more days.
45:01Who has criticized Ali Amin?
45:03The whole world is saying that.
45:05This gift has been given by Imran Khan to the people of the world.
45:08Subhanallah.
45:09Mr. Nagesh, please make a comment.
45:11Let me say a small thing.
45:12This subject has come again.
45:13I wanted to do it earlier, but I didn't get a chance.
45:15The thing is that you have been in power for 11 years.
45:17It is your responsibility to maintain peace and order there.
45:20It is not the responsibility of the government.
45:22No one is criticizing.
45:23I have asked for support from the government.
45:28They have invited me.
45:29Ali Amin did not host me.
45:31The decision of the federal government has changed the situation there.
45:36That's all for today.
45:37See you again tomorrow.
45:38Allah Hafiz.