The Graham Norton Show S32E03 (2024)
The Graham Norton Show S32E03 (2024)
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00:30Everyone good evening. You are very welcome to the show. Yes, it's Friday night and like a fox returning to its favorite dustbin
00:37I'm back. We've got a great show for you. Later. We'll have music right over there from the mighty rag and bone, man
00:49Great will be dropping by later the Oscar winning star of a fish called Wanda. Kevin Klein is going to be here
00:54Yeah
00:57But first on my sofa tonight
01:00This comedian and writer first won our hearts in her award-winning sitcom
01:04Miranda before acting her way to a BAFTA nomination in call the midwife
01:08Making a Hollywood debut in spy and most recently starring as Miss Bates in Emma her latest book
01:14I haven't been entirely honest with you describes a challenging decade of illness recovery and love sweet love
01:21It is a warm. Welcome back to Miranda
01:42Becoming the 15th time Lord in Doctor Who this actor shot to fame in the hit Netflix series sex education
01:49Going on to star as one of the Ken's in Barbie along the way
01:53He sung and danced at the Oscars and even graced the cover of Time magazine
01:59Now he's making his national theater debut in Oscar Wilde's classic the importance of being earnest. Please welcome Judy
02:20Drama Emilia Perez first as a child star
02:24She rose to the ranks to become one of Disney's biggest names in the Wizards of Waverly place before us
02:30Hello before us and alert career as a Grammy nominated pop star last month
02:35She received her first primetime Emmy nomination for the brilliant only murders in the building. It's a Lena
02:49Oh
02:59Action blockbusters like Pirates of the Caribbean and
03:02Star Trek while her roles in Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy and the global hit franchise
03:07Avatar have made her the first actor to star in four movies earning over two billion dollars each at the box office
03:15Please welcome Zoe Zelda. Yeah
03:19Oh
03:29What a lovely glamorous couch, I've got it Miranda Hart was so pleased you're back in the world of television
03:39Thank you, and thank you for clapping even though you probably don't know who I am
03:44Does it feel like you've never been away walking into the studio and stuff
03:47Yeah, it really does actually and I haven't been into this television center since 2010 years ago where I finished the sitcom
03:54So yeah, I was like, oh god back in the telly not just watch
04:03So we you haven't been here before it is nice to see you neither blue nor green
04:10Which is worse the blue or the green the green for sure
04:13That's three hours of makeup every day and you wake up at 3 30 in the morning
04:17Sometimes I'm for avatar was just dots on my face because they they would then render a performance post
04:23Yeah, did you not suggest that to the people at Guardians of the Galaxy? I did but Marvel's cheap
04:32Because yeah, my statistics suggest they should be able to
04:39Congratulations you I mentioned your Emmy nomination for only murders in
04:47What was it like kind of being thrust into such an old friendship Steve Martin and Martin short at first I was
04:54very nervous
04:55until I realized
04:58they're about as mature as
05:01as an 18 year old boy
05:06They've become true friends to me and it's it's a pleasure to work and I hear you keep them up to date with new music
05:13Yes, I do. I think it's important
05:15They know what WAP stands for
05:30They teach me things, you know, like what it was like in the 50s and
05:36Really useful stuff like that
05:40And very demure very mindful Judy got was here
05:45I'm straight from rehearsals at the National Theatre. I have straight to you groom. And where are you in rehearsals?
05:51Are you still at a table? Are you walking around yet? No still
05:56I know things
05:58Yeah, you know, I'm still at a table dissecting the script. That's so easy and lazy, isn't it?
06:05Day four. Yeah. Yeah know anything. You've got the book. Yeah. Yeah piece of piss. No wonder you're here
06:15Judy
06:19Miranda not just back on the television back on bookshelves. Your book is out in the world. I'm not on the bookshelf. No, don't
06:27I might do that now. I might go to a bookshop and just sit a pawn
06:32On a shelf
06:35Desperate for a bit of attention. I've been around for a while
06:38Sorry, carry on
06:41Tough competition on the bookshelf. Yes. Well Boris Johnson's book comes out
06:48Anyone bought it? No, but here's here's my thinking my books called. I haven't been entirely honest with you
07:03And his books called unleashed we need to swap
07:06I'm unleashed back into society much to your joy and pleasure. Well, yes
07:16Well, hopefully everyone buys you a book we'll tell them all about it later in the show
07:20All right, our big movie this week Zoe Zaldana and Zelina Gomez bring us a media Perez
07:26It is out in select cinemas from the 25th of October and then it's on Netflix from the 13th of November
07:32Before we chat, here's a taste of what to expect
08:02I
08:04I
08:07I mean
08:30I've been I've been lucky enough to see it. It is. Congratulations. It is fantastic
08:34It's kind of a musical drama, but it's really it's hard to describe or define. So over to you. They're both here
08:40Who's doing the heavy lifting?
08:47So
08:47Who do you play what we need to know about Amelia Perez? All I can say is you know about about the movie it is
08:55Provocative it is audacious. It is brave
08:59It's just like a breath of fresh air it can't be it's sexy
09:04and
09:05Yet the helm we have this amazing actress Carla Sofia Gaston
09:10Who I mean knocked it out of the ballpark with her performance. You not only played one person
09:15She played two different characters and she did such a superb job. And all we did was try to keep up
09:22That's what we always say and the recognition that we received and gun, you know at the gun film festival as an ensemble
09:31Was a dream come true. So Carla plays Amelia Perez you it's interesting because this story it's kind of seen through the lawyers eyes
09:38Yeah, wait, you don't normally see it through them. Yes. I play I play a lawyer that feels very overworked and disgruntled and
09:46Underappreciated and and looking for a way out to just sort of feel visible and I meet this
09:56individual who makes a
09:58Faustian proposition for me and I go for it
10:01Yeah, and then the ride is just you know, it doesn't stop ever and as you know, we would like to say you play the wife
10:07Yes
10:09Okay, there's a bullet on my head
10:15Yeah, and is a full musical I mean it
10:23You know not just songs but big choreographed pieces and you know Selena obviously you are a pop star penis pop star
10:30Was it kind of very comfortable going back into that world of singing and dancing? No, because this was completely different
10:36It was intricate
10:38Dance moves that I never I never knew my body could do
10:43And it was also me playing a character. So if anything I tried to avoid what I was
10:50Comfortable with and so we dance. I didn't realize that dance was your big thing. That was what we did before everything else
10:56Yes, I started out as single digits. I was I was nine almost ten when I started dancing
11:06I knew we had something
11:08I
11:12Got some music now
11:16No, but I I did it for I did it for like ten years and and right when I was you know
11:23This was ballet. This is ballet classic
11:26Interpretive dance those point shoes and the tutu
11:39You thought you were going to be a professional ballerina, I guess I wanted to but you know
11:43You you have to be honest with yourself. I didn't have the feet and that's that's a very that's a very big thing
11:54No, no, it's gonna keep them that way
11:56it is I didn't have the natural sort of ballet feet that you continue to work and and it just becomes like super arched and
12:03everything and
12:09As you need talking of dancing I mentioned earlier you singing dancing at the actual Oscars you
12:16Up on stage as one of the Cairns. Now. Were you able to enjoy that or is it just too frightening?
12:23Well, he looks like he's enjoying
12:25The time of my life with all those men
12:34Yeah, no, it's a lot of fun I got um
12:37This was mad I got a car I
12:39Had spent a day, you know
12:42Slaying aliens putting them back in their box. I went to bed my PR texts me at like 2 a.m
12:49and she's like so
12:51Ryan Gosling has
12:53Requested all the cans to come together for a special performance at the Oscars next week
12:59So we're gonna fly you out. I was like, okay Wow
13:02Cool, I'm going to the Oscars
13:05And I thought you know, it's it's just gonna be me and the boys will come out do a little two-step
13:12What landed got there got straight into rehearsals from like landing get driven to the venue and
13:19There was a lady there and a microphone and like as many people as here all dancers
13:30And I like shoot you off you pop on onto the stage
13:34The first ten minutes trying to run around do the dance. And so if you watch the performance, I actually get all my moves wrong
13:48And has this story been exaggerated or did were you a proper go-go dancer I was
13:56Dad close your ears
13:59So hot
14:03In a pair of leather hot pants in a
14:06Cubicle in a club called Polo Lounge
14:19Staple of Glasgow. I know those go-go dancers. You've really motivated them now. They're like I can break out of the shower cubicle
14:29I'm paid my way through drums and Miranda as you already mentioned. You are a dance
14:38You have a kind of a
14:39Hotline connection to strictly this year. Oh, well this year cuz my lovely co-star from my sitcom
14:45Sarah Hadland is in it and I'm just I mean I'm as both of us are super fans of strictly anyway
14:51This strictly is the Dancing with Stars equivalent
14:58Co-star in a sitcom that I did and we're friends in real life anyway, so yeah
15:08Because we we watch strictly together all the time we have strictly final parties, you know
15:13We're proper super fans and I can't believe she again. I'm like
15:18I'm really excited and I like that. You've been cheering her on you've been posting videos giving her dance tips
15:24Yes, you'll soon you are a dancer. Oh, yeah. Wait, do you see this?
15:29Don't be serious totally serious. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah
15:37This is amazing
15:44This is Miranda giving her tips on the passage doble. Yes. I mean serious stuff Zoe watch this
15:51This is just in case
15:53Need any information or choreography
15:56Choreography about Paso. Okay, so I think it's like this. It's innate in me. It's innate
16:03inherent
16:21I
16:28Will never be allowed on strictly because too good
16:32Cheating
16:34So Emilia Perez Emilia Perez
16:36There's already so much buzz around this film in terms of everything and as you mentioned can went incredibly well for you
16:43And the four of you now the fourth actress Ari Adriana Adriana pass. Yeah
16:51Yeah, I wasn't gonna say that but
16:55You must be so proud of this movie, yes, it was such a surprise because again, I mean
17:02Carla like leads this film with her whole being and and we just wanted to be there with her
17:07But for all of us to get acknowledged felt really special. Well first of many I'm sure good luck with award season
17:14I just reminder that you can see Emilia Perez at cinemas from the 25th of October and then on
17:20Netflix excellent, very good
17:29Is taking to the stage at London's National Theatre in the importance of being
17:34Earnest it kicks off the 21st of November and runs right through to the 25th of January 2025 at the Littleton
17:41So this is the classic very funny Oscar Wilde comedy if people are being honest, they may not know
17:50So for those people who are too embarrassed to ask tell them about the importance of being honest
18:08It is a very very silly fun camp beautiful play
18:14about mistaken identity and
18:17cucumber sandwiches and a handbag
18:20a
18:22Bingo card
18:29Classic is a classic comedies that I'm so glad it's coming back. Yeah
18:37And I haven't seen it for years but in the rehearsal room I mean presumably it is still very funny
18:41You're getting all the laughs. Yeah, we're doing a really like traditional honoring
18:46A
18:47Production as Oscar would have wanted but it's like infused with I guess a modern lens. Yeah on it
18:53And the great Sharon D Clark Sharon D Clark is playing Lady Bracknell Sharon D Clark is amazing
18:58And what she's doing with that part is like it needs to be seen. Um, so get your tickets and come and see it
19:04Good, that's good. That's good. Get your tickets
19:06It's all you need to say that's all you need
19:10And
19:11Judy, obviously people understand that you want to flex your muscles as an actor and do a classic comedy Oscar Wilde, but presumably
19:20Doctor Who fans the Whovians will be making their way to the national. Are they gonna like it? I mean, what's what's that experience like?
19:28I
19:29Hope so. Yes
19:31Yeah
19:33What is what experience like well
19:37The stage door having done your Oscar Wilde classic comedy, you'll be signing a lot of pictures of the TARDIS presumably I
19:46Imagine
19:48Whovians are just the sweetest and best
19:53Because this is this is kind of the your first year where now it's you know, people have seen you
19:59So you're enjoying it so far. It's all going well and all going well. Yeah. Yeah
20:03Yeah, just finished the second season earlier this year, we've got the Christmas episode coming out at Christmas
20:17But no, it's been amazing and a rite of passage you've been to your first comic-con
20:21Was it San Diego when you went to San Diego?
20:25What was it like? Yes, I've been there. Oh, there he is on stage
20:34Incredible it's like nerds Olympics
20:38but if you is beauty like the whole town gets involved and
20:42but you enjoy all that side of it that sort of adoration and
20:50Must be an intense level of fame and obsession with this show
20:56Something yeah
21:00Comic-con is intense, but it's beautiful. It's very like it's for the fans
21:04It's like where all the fandoms come together and you get that connection with them
21:07And yeah, I mean, it's like I was going to the gym. I like 7 a.m. And you'd see Voldemort walking
21:15As the whole town dresses up and like really gets involved it's like a beautiful thing
21:21So you must have done it a few times. Yes, I have and different and you know different parts of the States as well
21:26Yeah, and of course people forget that you are attached to a part of science fiction
21:31That is a kind of different level of fandom. It's the Star Trek universe. Yes
21:36No, what is it your mother who loves Star Trek?
21:39She used to watch Star Trek when she was a little girl with her grandparents in Spanish
21:44It was dubbed in Spanish because she lived in the Caribbean and it was it was called via here. Las Estrellas
21:50I remember like listening to the reruns of it and I remember when um when JJ Abrams
21:56Asked me to audition for the role of Uhura. I called up my mom and I'm like mommy
22:01They they want me for this for this movie
22:04Remember that show you used to watch when you were little that old old shows Star Trek shows via
22:11Yeah, yeah, they want me to audition for who we're oh, no, no you have to audition
22:15Oh
22:17Amazing so he is so amazing. She was these kick-ass really
22:23Professionals the no linguistic major. I'm like mom. Okay, stop
22:29So I did I she compelled me to do like a whole bunch of research and and and I watched the the documentary Trekkies
22:36Years before because they I did a film for Steven Spielberg called the terminal and in it
22:42I played a character that was a Trekkie and I had no idea that was when I really had no idea
22:47What that was and Steven Spielberg, you know taught me how to do the whole, you know
22:55Vulcan thing and
22:56So years later when I when I did Uhura, my mother was so proud. I mean she was always proud of me
23:02Yeah, and dr. Who the Christmas special is it's on at Christmas, by the way
23:13Yeah, you can't tell us anything about it presumably no, I know it's on a Christmas that's all we need to know
23:19yeah, and and don't forget you can also see shooting in the importance of being earnest at the National Theatre from the
23:2521st of this November
23:35Has written a new book
23:37I haven't been entirely honest with you is out and now and as we'd expect it is a very funny book
23:43There's lots of jokes and laughs in it, but it begins in a really kind of shocking way with a real kind of health crisis
23:51Yes
23:52It's also quite difficult. It seems like we're all promoting things that we find quite difficult to explain what they are
23:59Yeah, so it started the book starts with me collapse on my sitting on floor with fatigue basically and
24:07Not really knowing what was going on for years and years. I've been passed from doctor to doctor with me saying I
24:14I'm so fatigued. I've got this pain
24:16I don't know what's going on and no one can give me any answers, which sadly is a familiar story for many and
24:22So I just didn't know what to do I didn't have any answer in fact the last time I spoke to you
24:27I think was about a comic relief book. I did hold a daily dose of such fun
24:31Which was kind of 365 ideas to stress bust your year each day
24:36And in the introduction of that I said it's because I have severe anxiety and agoraphobia because that's what the doctors are saying
24:43I had but didn't ring true to me at the time, and it wasn't true
24:46so I finally got a diagnosis only really relatively recently of
24:52me caused by Lyme disease and
24:55So I finally sort of my whole story was sort of my life story really was rewritten of going
25:00I knew there was something wrong, and what was the difference did this doctor that actually got it?
25:05You know were they just listening to you better, or was there something they spotted?
25:11I mean anyone with these sort of chronic conditions will will know that it's just
25:15Constantly going on the journey to the next next doctor trying something else different sort of blood tests and this person sort of joined the
25:21dots with my
25:22symptomology in my history and and
25:25Discovered I probably must have got the tick-borne illness that Lyme is when I was about 14 or 15 when I lived in
25:32Virginia and in America my father worked there, so I'd actually had it in my system for years, but it had never
25:40That must be so damaging for you to have it on
25:43System then gets completely disordered every virus you get then it can't deal with your body
25:48Just gets more depleted more and more fatigued and sadly
25:50I'm not the only one with this with this story, so but I have to the book isn't just my illness
26:02But it starts with that
26:04But it's basically this story of me discovering before I got any diagnosis and before I was being told it was just stress
26:12Okay, what there's so much wellness expertise out there so much discourse is so much knowledge
26:17But what can actually help me in this moment because I can't go on a yoga retreat. I can't do a nice bath
26:22I can't do a hashtag self-care weekend in a Norwegian chalet. I'm on my floor. I'm in bed
26:27What do I do so I did loads and loads of research and studied and studied to find ten keys
26:33I call them my ten treasures which
26:37Meant that I found a way to live well and with joy and meaning despite my circumstances so
26:43Hopefully those treasures that I share speak to
26:46Whatever anyone's game everybody's life generally
26:48it's not it just happened to be and I have to say it's extraordinary that I'm on the show with Selena because
26:52It makes me quite emotional because when I saw your documentary on Apple that your illness struggles I
27:00Was thinking do I share, you know, is this something I should do?
27:04Because it feels quite vulnerable. Yeah, it's not something I've done before and I watched a documentary and I just thought
27:10Absolutely. Yes, and that's what kept me writing. So the fact I'm on the show with you
27:23To do on film as well to witness somebody in in in the pain that I was in for different conditions
27:29but we you know, we know what a chronic condition is like and
27:33It's always rumbling there and and they you know, I know what it's like in a very different way
27:38I wasn't in arenas as a pop star
27:40But I was backstage at the BBC, you know trying to go on not knowing what whether to go on and whether
27:45How I was so it's amazing. So and I think she's incredible
27:49But back to me
27:52I
27:58Should just say
28:00This journey you're finding your treasures and the the you know
28:03The physical pain the mental pain it all has a very happy ending it does
28:09Yeah, well within it was extraordinary that with what I got the diagnosis during the pandemic
28:14So it was a very lonely and difficult time and I remember this moment where I said to myself
28:18I just don't want to be alone anymore. I'd been single most of my adult life and
28:24So I sort of put up this little prayer and I thought I don't want to be alone anymore
28:27I thought literally there's not not not not not 1% of hope and
28:32I met someone during the pandemic during chronic chronic illness and I got married in July
28:37I mean because we didn't hear about it. Was it a very small affair?
28:52We're very very small, which it would have been anyway
28:54So first we'll gather not a big party person small is about 35 40 of us and it was
29:00Well in the spirit of being entirely honest with yourself, it was for no reason at all Hawaiian themed
29:07Literally there were inflatable flamingos around in the pool, we were in the garden
29:15There was a coconut bowling, which apparently is a thing bowl you bowl pineapples. Okay, there was
29:22There was a steel band
29:24Nice for no just just for the fun
29:26My mother was in a coconut bra and a grass jacket
29:28And is it scary now that it's all out in the world or is it a kind of a relief to know that oh
29:32Everyone knows I'm in this good place. It's a relief. It's really nice. And
29:38Yeah, because because the journey of the book was becoming more freely me, which I think is you know
29:43This is to bring the tone down a bit, but it's hopeful the top regret of the dying is
29:47that the researchers is that I wish I'd be more myself and not what others have expected of me and
29:52Which just breaks my heart and in a way that's the story of my book was right
29:56I don't want that to happen to myself or anyone. I want to be holy who I am
30:00So I feel more at home and more joyful in my skin and so to be able to go. Yeah, this is
30:06Wearing the ring because I didn't wear it for ages because we wanted to keep it. So yeah, so it's just really nice
30:10Okay, this is part of who I am now. Yeah, I don't young bride at 51
30:22Oh
30:26Is he still walking under a blanket my house
30:29But I still and just can't it's it's only joy. We got married and I can't just love saying my husband my husband
30:37my husband
30:39No, he's he does not want to be he's very private person, but he's called Richard
30:44Oh
30:50We're best mates we laugh all the time. I'm so glad he's lovely. That's good
30:56Choice choice nice Miranda's book is I haven't been entirely honest with you and it's a great read and it is out now
31:03I would
31:11It's time to meet my next guest in a good interview
31:14There's Pollywood great has started films like Sophie's Choice and the Big Chill and Dave and of course
31:20He won an Oscar for his performance in the Brit comedy smash a fish called Wanda now
31:25He's starring in the psychological thriller series disclaimer, please. Welcome the great Kevin Kline
31:33Oh
31:45Well, I'm gonna ask you who you know, but you know everyone now so that's oh, yeah. Yeah world way back. Oh, yes
31:54But you are here perched on a couch to tell us about the new thriller series disclaimer
31:59It's going to be released on what is released on Apple TV Plus today
32:04So tell us who you play what's happening in the series on that guy right under the name Kevin Kline as a Steven
32:11that's who I play. Okay, and I'm married to the brilliant Leslie Manville and
32:16My arch enemy is is Kate Blanchett whom I try to destroy because I'm angry
32:24And in grief for various reasons, yeah, I'm just a an ex
32:30English professor. Yeah, who's retired and
32:34Angry and miserable and it's very twisty attorney really watchable. We've got a clip. This is you
32:41Steven trying to leave there's a book involved in this story. Yeah, and I'm planting the book
32:47with the son of Kate Blanchett in the hopes that he will then move it on to her and then she'll be
32:53No, no, so he'll read it and be scandalized. Okay, that's exactly what's going on in the scene
33:05Is that now after the s that is a K
33:13How'd you like to pay if I may I'd love to put this on my credit card
33:19Are you sure I shouldn't get the other clean I told you I think you're buying an amazing cleaner
33:26I'm sorry. I'm not sure
33:29It's a lot of money for someone on my pension, but I I'm so sorry
33:34I don't think I can go through with it. I'm sorry about my change of heart
33:40You've been fairly helpful
33:43I haven't wasted your time
33:45Thank you, I hope he might at least have come close to persuading me to buy something I didn't need but he was hopeless
33:52a complete waste of space
34:05Brilliant actor young young men and
34:08Famously you're one of these actors now you turn most things down
34:11You're one of these actors now you turn most things down don't they call you Kevin decline, isn't that a
34:21Well, I mean that caught on some okay years ago, but I don't turn down most things because I'm not offered most things
34:29But I don't do everything. I'm offered. I
34:32Sometimes I think
34:34No, there's other actors who are more right for this than they think I'm right for it. And also it means I have to go work
34:42And
34:43You've done so much theater. Should you go to while making his National Theatre debut in November? Yeah. Yeah
34:51Yeah, I don't know. Do you have any advice for a young actor treading the boards?
34:56When do you start rehearsal? I just started on Monday and we started this past month this past. Okay, you know all your lines
35:04half of them
35:11I
35:13Actually went into the first rehearsal with my lies
35:16I was told by an elder even more elderly actor than myself in your years ago
35:20So, well, you know if you work for the lungs who were famous Alfred London in front a you had to be there
35:26With all of your lines the first day you work for no coward you had to have your lines the first day
35:32Otherwise, it's a well, how are we going to work? What's it a rehearse?
35:36But you take your time
35:41I
35:46I'm sorry. I asked
35:52What does he know I mean
35:56You've told a sort of so many extraordinary things have happened to you on stage and you've also done that very brave thing
36:03Outdoor theater. Oh, yes Shakespeare in the park. We call it. Yeah. Yeah, Joseph Papps theater
36:08in Central Park, which is
36:11A brilliant wonderful place to work. I mean Shakespeare's plays were done outdoors and
36:16So it felt felt quite comfortable, but there was this there were these
36:21There's this big rock that people could perch on
36:26Sort of from and not have the greatest view but they could still watch and everything was we were migrant we were miked
36:36Over the spot he a system funny
36:41But the sound was quite quite full
36:44And I was playing Richard the third and there's a scene where one and of course one is in Central Park
36:50And if you can achieve silence, you know, if you can create find the stillness in a scene if the audience is
36:56Wrapped and everything's gone quiet
36:59It's pretty exciting. And I had this
37:02it's wonderful scene with all the men that I'm
37:07I'm Richard the third and and and I say
37:10if
37:11Talks out to me of ifs
37:14Now what a traitor off of his head now by st
37:17Paul I swear I will not dine until I see the same level and Ratcliffe
37:23Looks at it to be done the rest that love me
37:26rise and follow me
37:41Oh
37:43Kevin it's been too long. We've waited so long for you to come on the show. Thank you very much
37:47It's my pleasure to meet you a disclaimer is on Apple TV Plus right now Kevin Klein everybody
37:57All right, it is time for music
38:00He's a three-time Brit Award winner whose first album human was the fast-selling
38:05Male debut of the decade the decade here performing pocket it is
38:21Thank you so much for that, thank you so much just gorgeous so that is pocket
38:26Yes pocket and it is off the new album at what you believe in that's out. Is it next Friday, isn't it?
38:33And the title of this album, it's it comes from a kind of a beautiful sad place
38:39Yes a little bit. I
38:42Was trying to figure out
38:46Talk to the children about loss and
38:48How how are you sort of sugarcoat things and you say someone's gone to a better place
38:54even if you don't necessarily believe that it was sort of it was okay to say, you know, and
39:00I guess like what do you believe in means?
39:10Are you okay?
39:15Don't you're honestly you're fine you're gonna know it's fine. It's fine
39:19basically, I was trying to tell my kids about
39:23the loss of my mum and
39:26Basically what I concluded was it doesn't really matter
39:29What we believe in it's about our sort of collective love for each other and you know, how we get through that together as a family
39:47Now you've called the album that you are gonna have to tell that story
39:50I
39:52So I'm so sorry to yeah to crack you but talking of love this will cheer us all up and
39:58Rory yeah, there are wedding bells in your future. Certainly are they're getting louder, aren't they?
40:09The hen and stag has happened. Yes. Does it a name when you do it together?
40:15Well, we were in the same place
40:18Always but we did we didn't do like the hen and stag together, but we were both in IB for at the same time
40:24Okay, was that bad planning?
40:32I thought you were very emotional
40:36Well, I'm sure you'll have a marvelous day you can chat to Miranda about it it's all fresh in her mind
40:40I recommend yeah, I heard I recommend a Hawaiian theme
40:47Yeah
40:51That's very freeing walk up the aisle to under the sea
40:57Very quickly and for you get lost in your wedding planning and we must say that after the wedding you're then ending off on tour
41:03I am yes straight away
41:09Yeah, and you're all over the country and listen good luck with the tour and have a lovely lovely wedding
41:14Thank you for that gorgeous performance
41:26Okay, it is time for a quick visit to the big red chair who is there hello. Hi. Hi
41:33Hi, what's your name? Farah Farah lovely and where you from far Kensington Kensington. Hello
41:40And what you do Farah, um, I used to do production actually, but I'm in a mom recently, okay
41:49Recent like how recently Oh God
42:01Calling Farah
42:05So that is quite bad Farah
42:08I'll have a word. We'll cut this bit out. We've mom's
42:19Let's call it baby brain
42:24Is this your first night out with it since baby yeah is can you tell
42:30Excitement you're never going home
42:33And is it a little boy or a little girl it's a girl I remember that
42:40Well, I'd be brave and ask for a name I don't want to push you Aurora Aurora
42:48But Aurora's older she'll watch this and go dear God you forgot me
42:53Sorry off you go with your story right, please no judgment. I was very young and I went to a house party and
43:00We were mixing our drinks I went to the bathroom. I needed to go pretty urgently sat down immediately as you do. Yes
43:08And I realized there was no toilet paper. So I looked around what could I use? There was a flannel
43:15Picked it up used it. Oh, it's okay. I'll throw it out the window. There was no window
43:22So I just folded it put it back and exited
43:30Isn't there a crucial question we're missing asking here. Oh, was it?
43:39Assuming we're all assuming sitting it looks confused
43:47Number one or number two is what we're asking. I wouldn't be here if it was number one. Let's say that
44:01Oh
44:03Aurora is the one who's trying to forget her now. I don't recognize her
44:10Okay, that really is all we've got time for if you'd like to go the red chair yourself and tell you a story you can
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