さらばのこの本ダレが書いとんねん！2024年10月15日 【裏側】元新聞記者が語る事件報道の裏側！警察より先に犯人が分かった！？
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00:00This program is brought to you by DAREGA KAITON NEN, the book that changed the world in two days.
00:16So, what are we going to do today?
00:19Today, we are going to do an art show in Gifu Prefecture.
00:22Oh, that sounds good.
00:24Let me ask you something.
00:26What is it?
00:27You are doing it, right?
00:29No, I'm not.
00:30It's lit up.
00:31It's lit up.
00:32There's a lot of resistance.
00:34It's huge.
00:35It's huge.
00:36What is this?
00:37It's amazing.
00:38We deal with the world's tobacco in a large number.
00:41We have 800 related products.
00:45Do you have books?
00:47Books about tobacco.
00:49Books about tobacco.
00:51We have books and, of course, tobacco labels.
00:55Tobacco from all over the world.
00:57He is the manager of Jisho Tobacco Concierge.
01:00According to the customer's wishes, he gives advice on the tobacco that suits him.
01:05He also holds a tobacco experience meeting.
01:09I smoke a lot, but my hair is getting thinner.
01:15Does it matter?
01:17It doesn't matter.
01:18Stop looking at the manager.
01:20When I smoke up to 65, I think,
01:23I see.
01:24There's a lot of tobacco left.
01:27I can make a lot of things with that tobacco.
01:30No, I don't smoke up to 65.
01:33I don't smoke up to 65.
01:35This week's topic is...
01:37The back side of the inspection report.
01:40He used to be a journalist.
01:42Is it a field?
01:45In terms of terminology.
01:48The author of the inspection report is a journalist.
01:51He wrote an article about the incident he was in charge of from a journalist's point of view.
01:57He's been doing it for decades.
02:00This is going to be fun.
02:04I used to be a journalist for the inspection report.
02:08Now, I'm doing it for free like a YouTuber.
02:14I'm Gentaro Saibusa.
02:16Nice to meet you.
02:18You're not a journalist anymore?
02:20I'm not a journalist anymore.
02:22What?
02:23Why?
02:24Did you write a lot of weird articles?
02:26There are a few things that come to mind.
02:29If there are, it doesn't matter.
02:31I've heard about it.
02:33If I talk about it, it'll be a long story.
02:36What do you mean by that?
02:38I made a mistake when I was trying to get rid of a student.
02:43Apologize, correct, and delete.
02:46It's all about being cheeky.
02:50It's a field of rampage.
02:52This is the timing.
02:54There's a list of lists.
02:58I put it on the top of the first page.
03:00First of all, this guy.
03:02The first thing that comes to mind is Mr. Saibusa.
03:07My boss came to me and said,
03:09You're on the top of the first page.
03:12I said it in a voice that everyone could hear.
03:14I have to quit.
03:16I want to quit without feeling guilty.
03:19It's okay to talk so brightly.
03:23How old were you when you got the list?
03:25I was 51 years old.
03:27What about your family?
03:28My wife worked and I was completely unemployed.
03:32It lasted about three years.
03:35You've had a hard time.
03:37Last year, I got the list.
03:39I had a backpack, so I was perfect.
03:42It's nostalgic.
03:44It's our vitality.
03:46In the first half of my 20s.
03:48I feel relieved for about a month.
03:50What was your job at that time?
03:52Is it the Ministry of Defense?
03:54The Ministry of Defense?
03:56You mean the Self-Defense Force?
03:57Yes.
03:59I made a mistake in one place.
04:01Mr. Saki, you have a sense of justice, don't you?
04:04No, no, no.
04:05You're a bastard.
04:07You're too bad at it.
04:09Do you think this is the right thing to do?
04:11No, no, no.
04:12I don't think it's wrong.
04:14You don't think it's wrong now?
04:16I don't think it's wrong.
04:17But in the Sankei Shimbun,
04:19I don't think I have to apologize.
04:21The phone rang and I got a call.
04:24I don't know if it's organized.
04:26I see.
04:27I can't help it.
04:29When you go to the Ministry of Defense,
04:31you go to get information, don't you?
04:33Where do you wait?
04:34Is there such a place?
04:35Is there a press club?
04:38It's everywhere.
04:39Is it in the National Assembly?
04:41Yes, it is.
04:42Is it in the Metropolitan Police Department?
04:43Yes, it is.
04:44Do you work there?
04:45I work in the Metropolitan Police Department.
04:47Oh, I see.
04:48So it's a direct job.
04:49There are a lot of press clubs in the Metropolitan Police Department.
04:52There are three in the Metropolitan Police Department.
04:54The first one is the Seven Societies of the Metropolitan Police Department.
04:57The second one is the Metropolitan Police Department Press Club.
04:59The third one is the News Press Club.
05:01The Ministry of Justice is the News Press Club.
05:02The Seven Societies is an old company.
05:04Asahi Mainichi Yomiuri,
05:06Kyodo Tsuushin,
05:08and Tokyo Shimbun.
05:09There's another one.
05:11There's a newspaper company.
05:13NHK, Jiji Tsuushin, Sankei Shimbun,
05:15Bunka Housou, and Nippon Housou
05:17are in the Metropolitan Police Department Press Club.
05:19So there are a lot of people like that in the space.
05:23What do you do first?
05:25In the case of the Metropolitan Police Department,
05:27there's a speaker.
05:29When there's an incident,
05:31the outline of the incident comes out.
05:35Everyone goes there.
05:38It's like a start signal.
05:40Ready, go!
05:42Basically, the Metropolitan Police Department and the Osaka Prefecture are very fast.
05:46I don't want to be caught,
05:48so it takes about 40 to 50 minutes.
05:50Oh, I see.
05:52Is it impossible to fill 40 to 50 minutes a day?
05:57It's impossible.
05:58If you go to the local area,
06:00you can go after 8 hours,
06:02or after 6 hours.
06:04After the fire has gone out,
06:06you can go to the scene of the fire.
06:10I see.
06:11Then the broadcast will be broadcast.
06:13NHK and other companies are in the same space.
06:16Everyone goes there first.
06:18That's right.
06:21Do you go there and take pictures?
06:26The photographer takes pictures.
06:28If it's a local area, I take pictures myself.
06:30Then I go around the neighborhood.
06:32Rather than that kind of work,
06:35I stand near the police station late at night
06:39and wait for them to come back.
06:41That's better.
06:42What do you ask for?
06:44If there was a murder case,
06:46what if I broke the stomach of the victim?
06:49Do you teach them?
06:51No, I don't.
06:52Then why do you stand there?
06:54There are about 10 people,
06:56and one of them is a detective
06:58who will be with me for the rest of my life.
07:01Do you go to drink with him?
07:03We get along very well.
07:05Most people don't talk at all.
07:07They don't talk at all.
07:08It's like talking to Ishikuro.
07:10It's like talking to Ishikuro.
07:11It's like talking to Ishikuro.
07:13When I say,
07:14when I say,
07:15they ignore me.
07:17There are many reporters in the police station.
07:20They are used to it.
07:22They say,
07:23they are here again.
07:25I've been caught by the police
07:27with a tie.
07:29I've been caught with a tie.
07:31You are persistent.
07:33Do you still go to drink with him?
07:35I have to go to drink with him to work.
07:37I see.
07:38Is there anyone who listens to you?
07:41When I meet someone,
07:43I feel like I can get along with him.
07:46It's about people.
07:47It's youth.
07:49It's very true.
07:51But you write an article.
07:55The police will ask you,
07:57the police will ask you,
07:59who are you?
08:00It will happen.
08:01It will happen.
08:02What will happen in the police station?
08:04I rarely get caught.
08:05If I'm caught at night,
08:07if I'm caught at night,
08:09I don't know anything.
08:10I don't know anything.
08:12If I'm caught at night,
08:14the police will ask me,
08:16who are you?
08:17What are you talking about?
08:19Are you fighting?
08:20I will fight there on purpose.
08:22When I get home,
08:23I will get a call later.
08:25The police will ask me,
08:26who are you?
08:27What is that?
08:28You have to do that.
08:30I see.
08:31I will be suspected.
08:32What is that?
08:33It's a terrible drama.
08:35What?
08:36You don't have anything to do with him, do you?
08:38I don't have anything to do with him.
08:40You don't have anything to do with him.
08:41What if he gets angry?
08:43I can handle that.
08:45When I don't have anything to do with him,
08:47I'm a good father.
08:49You are a good father.
08:51You don't have anything to do with him.
08:53I have a good work balance.
08:55I see.
08:56You don't have anything to do with him.
08:58That's right.
09:00You have to pay for the investigation.
09:03Do you have enough money for that?
09:05Do you have enough money for that?
09:07No.
09:08I don't have that much money.
09:10You don't have that much money.
09:12The reason I don't have much money is that
09:14I have to pay for a vehicle when I go to Tokyo and Osaka.
09:17It's dangerous to drive a car by myself.
09:20That's why I need a car.
09:23I don't drive a car to get money.
09:25I don't have a driver.
09:27Do you have a driver?
09:28Yes, I do.
09:29A newspaper reporter?
09:30Yes.
09:31You have no image at all.
09:33I have a bad image of a driver.
09:35I used to have a bad image when I was young.
09:38I thought I had a driver.
09:40But that's not what I meant.
09:42If you fall asleep...
09:44It's dangerous.
09:46It's dangerous in Tokyo and Osaka.
09:48Oh, I see.
09:50You don't have to drive yourself.
09:52I drive myself everywhere except for Tokyo and Osaka.
09:54But in Tokyo and Osaka,
09:56do you have a driver?
09:58I can only sleep for 3 or 4 hours.
10:00I see.
10:02What about that?
10:04Do you have to give money to the informant?
10:06That's voluntary.
10:08If I let him eat my food,
10:10I have to ask for a receipt.
10:12You have to pay in cash.
10:14In case of cash,
10:16I have to ask for a receipt.
10:18What does it look like?
10:20I don't know.
10:22Basically, I don't give him money.
10:24Do you get along with him?
10:26Not like a drama.
10:28Of course, there are moments
10:30when you feel happy.
10:32Sometimes.
10:34But I don't think other reporters know.
10:36I don't know what it is.
10:38Only I don't know.
10:40I see.
10:42When I hear that,
10:44I feel rewarded.
10:46But it's a job
10:48that bothers many people.
10:50I see.
10:52Some people don't like it.
10:54For example,
10:56when a small child died,
10:58I was asked to take a picture of his face.
11:00When I was a child,
11:02I had a hard time.
11:04It's a little painful.
11:06I see.
11:08Sometimes, I couldn't take a picture
11:10because I was crying in front of the body.
11:12I see.
11:14I feel sorry for him now.
11:16I see.
11:22Basically,
11:24I don't go out with the police
11:26at once.
11:28The police go first.
11:30It's like a drama.
11:32It's not normal
11:34that a reporter goes first.
11:36But
11:38it happens.
11:40For example,
11:42the police say
11:44it's an accident.
11:46It's a suicide.
11:48When I heard that,
11:50I went there twice.
11:52Really?
11:54When I went to Tochigi Prefecture,
11:56there was a hot spring
11:58in the mountains.
12:00When it was still snowing,
12:02a high school student
12:04in Tokyo
12:06was found dead
12:08in Zoukibayashi.
12:10At that time,
12:12I called the police
12:14and asked them
12:16if it was an accident.
12:18On the other side of the bridge
12:20from Zoukibayashi,
12:22there were three houses.
12:24They were only 50 meters away.
12:26If it was an accident,
12:28the police would be there
12:30even if it was deep in the mountains.
12:32But
12:34if it was an accident,
12:36I wondered
12:38why he was dead.
12:40He was wearing a uniform.
12:42I thought it was strange.
12:44For example,
12:46if I strangled him with my arm,
12:48there was no trace of him.
12:50Oh, I see.
12:52Even if I asked the police,
12:54I couldn't figure it out.
12:56Then,
12:58I rang the doorbell
13:00of the first house.
13:02A kind-looking old lady
13:04came out.
13:06I said,
13:08I saw her.
13:10At that time,
13:12she was alone
13:14with a man.
13:16I asked her,
13:18did you see her again?
13:20She said,
13:22no.
13:24Oh, I see.
13:26What a scoop!
13:28At that time,
13:30I asked her if the police came.
13:32She said, no.
13:34I thought
13:36it was a slip-up.
13:38A slip-up is
13:40a case, not a case.
13:42Sometimes it happens.
13:44I thought it was a slip-up.
13:46I wrote
13:48the whereabouts of the man
13:50who disappeared.
13:52At that time,
13:54the head of the investigation team
13:56and a journalist
13:58were talking about me.
14:00They said,
14:02it was a slip-up.
14:04Oh, I see.
14:06If you say so,
14:08you should say it.
14:10I was naive.
14:12I said,
14:14I should start over from the beginning.
14:16Why did you say that?
14:18I was furious.
14:20One day,
14:22a suspect was caught.
14:24He was running away
14:26from the police station.
14:28Oh, he was running away.
14:30I thought I killed him.
14:32I called my girlfriend.
14:34I went to the police station.
14:36I thought I was going to die.
14:38While I was running away,
14:40I didn't get hurt at all.
14:42I ran away.
14:44Then,
14:46I went to the deputy chief
14:48of the police station.
14:50I told him that
14:52I didn't kill Tochigi.
14:54He said,
14:56what are you talking about?
14:58It's obvious that he killed Tochigi.
15:00I said,
15:02I'm happy.
15:04It was more than a slip-up.
15:06It went well.
15:08But,
15:10if he hadn't investigated,
15:12he might have been solved by an accident.
15:14That's right.
15:16Did you say something to him?
15:18Did you make a big face?
15:20I didn't want to
15:22make a big face.
15:24I was very polite.
15:28You look like this now.
15:30I made a lot of mistakes.
15:32You are experienced.
15:34Your mistakes make people feel bad.
15:36I thought I shouldn't do that.
15:38That's great.
15:42The truth
15:44At the embassy of a certain country,
15:46I worked as a cashier.
15:48Oh, you were an outrage.
15:50Yes, I was an outrage.
15:52Oh, I see.
15:54At that time,
15:56I was a security guard of the police station.
15:58The manager called me.
16:00He said, I'm a special agent.
16:02That's not true.
16:04He said,
16:06at the embassy of a certain country,
16:08I worked as a cashier.
16:10He said,
16:12I'm in trouble because I'm a special agent.
16:14Write it down.
16:16I said,
16:18I'm okay.
16:20He said, write it down.
16:22I wrote it down.
16:24He came to me.
16:26He was a celebrity.
16:28He said,
16:30I'm sure it's this.
16:32I wrote it down.
16:34Then, he called me.
16:36He told me to come to the embassy.
16:38I went there.
16:40I opened the door.
16:42He said, I can't see you.
16:44He said, what can I do for you?
16:46Then, there were a lawyer,
16:48a special agent of the Japan XX Association,
16:50and two other people.
16:52There was an embassy lady.
16:54She was crying.
16:56She was crying.
16:58She said,
17:00I can't see you.
17:02She said, I can't see you.
17:04She said, I can't see you.
17:06I said, I'm in trouble.
17:08I'm alone.
17:10I don't know how to take responsibility.
17:12I'm in trouble.
17:14Then,
17:16I went to the chief of security.
17:18I went to the chief of security.
17:20When I talked to him,
17:22he said,
17:24I'm sorry.
17:26I opened the drawer.
17:28I said, I'm sure I took it.
17:30I saw a picture of us
17:32carrying out a bribe.
17:34The secretary of the police was taking it.
17:36What kind of surprise was that?
17:38I was taking it.
17:40I said, please lend it to me.
17:42I was taken by the secretary of the police.
17:44I was taken by the secretary of the police.
17:46It's dramatic.
17:48What kind of prank is this?
17:50What is this?
17:52He said, please lend it to me.
17:54He said, please lend it to me.
17:56He said, please lend it to me.
17:58I went to him again.
18:00I said, I have something to say.
18:02I went to him again.
18:04I haven't come to him though,
18:08he said,
18:10Our cameraman is shooting
18:12an McDonald's billboard
18:14from the stairs at 7.56 a.m.
18:16Our cameraman is shooting an McDonald's billboard
18:18from the stairs at 7.56 a.m.
18:20They know how we are.
18:24If no one pays attention when he gets mad at me,
18:26I need tool of joy
18:28in case of retaliation.
18:30before that my co-workers
18:32The lawyer and the chairman of the board said,
18:35we're not trying to make things worse.
18:38Oh, they were.
18:39Until the day before, it was a problem of foreign relations.
18:43It was a domestic problem.
18:44What responsibility do you take?
18:45Your wife is crying.
18:46My wife is crying, and so is my wife.
18:48My wife is crying, and so is my wife.
18:49And my wife is like this.
18:52But you can't help it.
18:53But I can't help it, so I said,
18:55it's okay,
18:56so please end it now.
18:58I put my hand in my pocket,
18:59and it was shaking.
19:01It's not a joke.
19:03I'm busy, but it's not a joke.
19:07I went home and turned to a place where I couldn't see it.
19:11I was so surprised.
19:13I thought,
19:15You're a big deal.
19:17You're a big deal.
19:19The next day, I went to the house of the police officer I was close to.
19:23And then,
19:24You're an idiot.
19:26The chairman of the board made a plan,
19:30If it's Asahi or Yomiuri,
19:32He's tall, so he won't write.
19:34He's stupid, so he'll write if you talk to him.
19:38But he said,
19:39You're good at everything.
19:41I was surprised.
19:42He was drawing a picture.
19:43And he put it on the board.
19:45The chairman of the board is scary.
19:47I'd like to hear from you, too.
19:50He's stupid.
19:52He's amazing.
19:54He's the chairman.
19:56He's amazing.
19:59It's funny.
20:04Lastly, what do you want to say in this book?
20:07I think it's a little different from the editor's intention.
20:11Basically,
20:13What is a funeral?
20:15What kind of arrest is there?
20:17That's what I was writing.
20:19It turned out to be a story about my failure.
20:23I think the editor was supposed to write a professional term.
20:32But it turned out to be a story about me.
20:36I can't even listen to what the editor says.
20:40I'm sorry.
20:42I'm sorry.
20:46I'll go first.
20:48I said behind the scenes.
20:51It's not like that.
20:53It's probably the back story of a distra YouTuber.
20:58It's just about me.
21:00I can't say anything back.
21:04What do you think?
21:06I think there's a mistake in this book.
21:10Again?
21:12I'm a reporter.
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