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Ingrid Fajardo, Billboard Latin’s Social Media Manager and Staff Writer moderates our now traditional and iconic women’s panel, this year devoted to global stars on the Billboard charts. A conversation between some of the women making waves in the Latin music industry (Bad Gyal, Belinda, Danna, Debi Nova, Mon Laferte and Zhamira Zambrano) at Billboard’s Latin Music Week 2024.
Ingrid Fajardo moderará nuestro tradicional e icónico panel de mujeres, este año con estrellas globales de todas partes del mundo. Una conversación entre algunas de las mujeres que están dando pasos en la industria de la música latina (Bad Gyal, Belinda, Danna, Debi Nova, Mon Laferte y Zhamira Zambrano).
Ingrid Fajardo, Billboard Latin’s Social Media Manager and Staff Writer moderates our now traditional and iconic women’s panel, this year devoted to global stars on the Billboard charts. A conversation between some of the women making waves in the Latin music industry (Bad Gyal, Belinda, Danna, Debi Nova, Mon Laferte and Zhamira Zambrano) at Billboard’s Latin Music Week 2024.
Ingrid Fajardo moderará nuestro tradicional e icónico panel de mujeres, este año con estrellas globales de todas partes del mundo. Una conversación entre algunas de las mujeres que están dando pasos en la industria de la música latina (Bad Gyal, Belinda, Danna, Debi Nova, Mon Laferte y Zhamira Zambrano).
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00:00The music has changed and we are doing many more duets between women.
00:04Before, that wasn't even talked about.
00:07It wasn't part of the records.
00:11It was always like, well, I'm going to do duets with colleagues,
00:15but when it comes to doing a duet with a woman,
00:18you realize how important it is to support each other.
00:30First, let's thank Ulta Beauty for this incredible conversation
00:34that we are going to have and for celebrating,
00:36through beauty and joy,
00:38with some gift bags from Hispanic brands
00:42founded by Latinas.
00:46How exciting to have such an iconic panel
00:49with women who are doing so many things,
00:51who have also been working for many years,
00:54outside and within the United States,
00:57in Europe as well.
01:00I think that today's conversation is like
01:03the things that women talk about.
01:05People always want to know what happens when they get together.
01:08Well, today they are going to find out.
01:10Welcome.
01:12Thank you very much.
01:13How does it feel to be here?
01:16I'm very happy, to be honest.
01:18It's a pleasure for me to be with women from so many different countries
01:23and coming from Spain, from so far away.
01:26I feel like it's a great recognition to be sitting here today.
01:30I'm very happy.
01:32Let's take this opportunity.
01:34I want to know how was your encounter with the Latin market,
01:38with music.
01:39How was the first door where you came to this side?
01:44The truth is, I guess my colleagues will understand me,
01:49it's hard sometimes to find the point of inflexion
01:53and stop singing for a specific moment.
01:56I feel like it has been quite progressive in my case.
01:59I've been in music for 8 years,
02:01but definitely the fact that Tokisha and Young Miko
02:06wanted to do the remix to Chulo's song
02:09was a very important point of inflexion for me.
02:12I feel like it was my first song that was received very well in US Latin.
02:18And I feel that since last year, when this song was released,
02:23many doors were opened for me.
02:25I had many opportunities.
02:26I also want to remember the moment when I was able to perform this song live here
02:31and I received a very good response.
02:34And definitely that has been a very important moment for me.
02:39How important do you think are these alliances between women in music?
02:47Important. Necessary.
02:50I love it because you say,
02:51what do we talk about among ourselves?
02:52We talk about ourselves and the world moves.
02:54And all the energy, I think, is very positive.
02:57I think that being able to look around and know that we are one for the other,
03:02knowing that we can be colleagues instead of being a competition.
03:05I think that all these collaborations that begin to emerge among us
03:09are much more powerful
03:11and an opportunity to continue to pave a path for all those who come in the future.
03:17So I think we are making a big change.
03:20We are in a special, powerful moment
03:23where women are taking over everything and saying,
03:27here we are, shaking the world.
03:32Mon, for example,
03:34we have always seen you as a reference,
03:38not only in music, obviously,
03:40but also in the fight for equality and women's power.
03:44What does it represent for you?
03:45How do you see it from another perspective?
03:49Well, first I want to say that I am very happy about this invitation
03:53and I love to be talking to all these talented women,
03:57including your heart, that you are here.
04:01I feel very happy, that is the first thing I want to say.
04:05And I feel that the world is changing positively,
04:10slowly, but it is changing.
04:13I realize that when I started in music,
04:16we were less women,
04:18not even on stage, but behind the stage.
04:23And today I see technical women in audio engineers,
04:28with the production cables,
04:31and that speaks of a change in the world.
04:35Women are already occupying those spaces that always belonged to us.
04:41I believe a lot in the equality of people,
04:44so that gives me hope and happiness.
04:50How did you experience your personal processes in music?
04:54For example, Belinda, we know that you started as a baby,
04:58or as a child.
05:00How has that process been?
05:02And how do you see what happened before
05:04and the things that are happening now in your career?
05:08Well, first of all, thank you for the invitation.
05:11It is an honor to be here with such talented women
05:14whom I admire and respect deeply.
05:18And yes, music has definitely evolved,
05:21it has changed,
05:23and we are doing many more duets between women.
05:26Before that wasn't even talked about.
05:29It wasn't part of the records.
05:32It was always like, well, I'm going to do duets with colleagues,
05:36but when it comes to doing a duet with a woman,
05:39you realize how important it is to support each other,
05:43respect each other, admire each other,
05:46and I think we are in the best moment.
05:50I know.
05:51And how did you experience it?
05:53For example, Debbie, who comes from Central America,
05:56because we've been here a little bit,
05:58we go through Central, South, Europe.
06:01Now, how do you see it?
06:03How has that process been on the Central American side?
06:06Well, first of all, good afternoon.
06:08As these wonderful women said,
06:11what an honor to be here with all of you.
06:14I feel very honored and very happy that these conversations are happening.
06:19You know that in Costa Rica,
06:22when I grew up there,
06:24I really didn't have any reference in my country
06:27of women who were dedicated to music.
06:30And now I see a generation of many women, many girls,
06:35who are taking that leap, taking that challenge,
06:38and saying, I can, yes, I can.
06:41And I want to believe that it is thanks to this generation
06:46of wonderful artists who are doing it, you know,
06:49who are giving their hand, who are doing great things,
06:52and who come to countries like mine, Costa Rica, which is small,
06:55where a girl sees you from the stage and says,
06:59if she can, I can.
07:01I love you, Debbie.
07:03I love you more.
07:05Let's see, Samira.
07:08Obviously, also, how have you managed to maintain your essence within music?
07:13Also, congratulations, you just became a mom.
07:16You're living another stage in your life.
07:20How have you managed to maintain that essence?
07:23Because you also show us another side,
07:25which is the side of love, the side of family.
07:30Well, thank you for having me here.
07:32It's really an honor, as my colleagues said,
07:35to be here with such brilliant, talented women.
07:38I think the essence of one is, well,
07:42personally, I am very attached to God,
07:44to have my feet on the ground,
07:46and to have a strong foundation,
07:48which is my family, my husband, my daughter, my parents.
07:50Thank you for the congratulations.
07:52I'm a little lost, because it's the first time I've been out since the baby was born,
07:55so I'm like, I came out, there's a lot of people here.
07:58But for me, it's super important, as I said,
08:01to have that strong foundation at home.
08:04At least that's what works for me, personally speaking.
08:07A relationship with God,
08:09being happy, you, with yourself, internally,
08:11so that you can radiate the same outwards,
08:13through music, which is what we do.
08:15Or through whatever your profession is.
08:18I tell you, if you're happy and content with yourself,
08:22you're a confident woman,
08:24that's what you're going to radiate to the world.
08:26I think the world needs more of that.
08:28And although we are in an era where
08:31women empowerment is seen much more,
08:34and we all work together to achieve incredible things,
08:36I think it's never enough.
08:38You always have to keep planting and watering that plant
08:42to be able to keep achieving incredible things.
08:44For me, as I told you, my family is everything.
08:46And I'm very happy and grateful to have them,
08:49because they make me the woman I am today,
08:51and they allow me to keep my feet on the ground,
08:53and I'm very true to myself.
08:55And how do you handle the pressure from social media?
09:00We know it's strong in every way,
09:02and I can't imagine,
09:04obviously you are like a vision
09:12of all the people.
09:14A white man to throw darts at us.
09:18How do you handle that part?
09:25How do you manage to maintain that mental peace?
09:31Well, we keep working on it.
09:34Every day.
09:35I think we are human beings,
09:37not because we are artists,
09:39but because sometimes we forget,
09:41in the whole world,
09:42that we also have feelings,
09:44and sometimes there are people like...
09:46I think hate is the reflection
09:48of that person who is not satisfied with himself.
09:52For me, the process has been
09:54not to define myself as anyone,
09:57but mainly I think that the authorization
09:59or the acceptance has to come from myself.
10:01It's a work of self-love,
10:03which costs a lot,
10:04and it's easy to talk about it and say,
10:05love yourself.
10:06But I really think it's a work of every day,
10:08to take the opportunity to look at yourself in the mirror
10:10and admire who you are,
10:11because we are unique beings.
10:13Social media is a tool,
10:15which, of course, for us,
10:17is a platform as artists,
10:19as influential beings within the industry,
10:22and to take that platform also
10:24to give the positive message
10:26and to be able to break and corrupt
10:28a little more those negative things.
10:31And I think it's a daily job,
10:33also to turn around and know
10:34that reality is here,
10:36which is also quite banal
10:38and also a little distant
10:40from what things really are.
10:43And I think we have to be a little more focused
10:45in the present,
10:46and we live so close to a screen
10:48and a digital world
10:50that we are forgetting the real world.
10:52So I think that's where we can turn around
10:55and know that there are real human beings and women
10:58with whom to talk,
10:59with whom to have a conversation,
11:00with whom to know,
11:01and look them in the eye, I say it again,
11:03and here I am to help you.
11:05Social media is something that,
11:07just between women,
11:08we get too much competition,
11:10too much rivalry,
11:12and things I think are very,
11:14sorry to say it,
11:15I'm going to say a word,
11:16stupid.
11:17And I'm going to say it.
11:19Because really, we are all unique
11:21and we work very hard
11:23to achieve our dreams.
11:25And I think no one imagines
11:28what it is to live, obviously,
11:30all this,
11:32and feel self-confidence,
11:34self-work,
11:35and colleagues,
11:36for continuing to work and do.
11:39Also, forgive me,
11:40but I also think that,
11:41adding to what you're saying,
11:43it's difficult.
11:44I mean, it's something that, suddenly,
11:46we can give a perspective.
11:50As I also always try to encourage people
11:53not to let that make you, you know,
11:55collapse,
11:56or take away the focus
11:57for what social media uses.
11:59In our case,
12:00it is a super fundamental tool
12:02in our work.
12:03But it's difficult.
12:04And sometimes people forget that,
12:06that we are human beings.
12:08That behind that phone,
12:09there is a woman like you,
12:10who is reading the things
12:11that people are saying.
12:13And it also affects me,
12:15I don't know if they can relate
12:17in terms of my relationship
12:18or my family,
12:19that sometimes it hurts more
12:20when they talk about the person
12:22that one loves
12:23than when they tell you.
12:24You know?
12:25Like, tell me what you want
12:26and in the end,
12:27one sees it, gets upset,
12:29again and again,
12:30also, suddenly, you cry
12:31because you have impotence,
12:32but when they tell you
12:33that the person you love
12:34is a little stronger.
12:35So,
12:36I feel that we have to keep working
12:38ourselves as women
12:40to strengthen ourselves inside,
12:42which is what I was saying
12:43a little earlier,
12:44so that those things
12:45don't crash with you
12:46at the level that they bring you down.
12:48Because, really,
12:49I think it's something super strong
12:50and that not many people
12:51talk about
12:52what hate is
12:53in social media.
12:54Totally.
12:55And I also,
12:56as a result of what you said,
12:57we are human beings, right?
12:59It is clear that the business
13:01puts a very high demand
13:02on us in terms of social media
13:04and the industry
13:05goes at a very fast pace
13:06in terms of launches,
13:08that, well,
13:09everything that is social media,
13:11being connected with your fans,
13:12your fans want more of you
13:14in less time
13:15and I sometimes feel very good
13:16remembering that I am human,
13:18remembering that insecurity
13:20is part of life,
13:21we are all insecure
13:22at some point,
13:23men, women,
13:24especially women,
13:25we know that we have
13:26a lot of pressure,
13:28but I also think that
13:30a way to deal with it
13:32with more peace
13:33is to accept that insecurity
13:34will be there,
13:35that it is part of life
13:36and that if one day
13:37you don't want to upload anything
13:38and you need that distance
13:40to, as my colleagues said,
13:42reconnect with the real world,
13:44reconnect with real life,
13:46move away from the screen a bit,
13:47share authentic,
13:49human energies
13:51and be yourself again
13:52and disconnect from that projection
13:54or that which you want to
13:56transmit through the screen,
13:58you are a human being,
13:59allow it,
14:00business will always pressure you
14:02to be there,
14:04to be beautiful,
14:05to be happy,
14:06to show yourself as a hard worker,
14:07to show yourself at your best,
14:08but we are all human beings
14:09and we have higher days,
14:11lower days
14:13and personally I think
14:14that it is also good
14:15to accept that
14:17because it is part of life
14:18and also,
14:20as you said,
14:21I consider that we are
14:22very different
14:24but at the same time,
14:25because I also feel
14:26that maybe because of the type of music,
14:28the words I use,
14:29the way I dance,
14:31which I have also experienced a lot
14:32in social networks
14:33when I opened up to a new audience,
14:34like,
14:35what is this girl doing here?
14:37Like, take her off,
14:38she is useless.
14:42It is also very important for me,
14:43I don't have a child,
14:44I don't have a husband,
14:45but I am very connected
14:46to my family as well,
14:47I come from a very large family,
14:49we are many brothers
14:50and they always touch me
14:52from head to toe,
14:53to reconnect me
14:54with what reality is
14:56and to remind me
14:58that the world is much more than
15:00I am Batyal,
15:01I am Dana,
15:02I am Zamira,
15:03I am also Alba
15:04and I live real life,
15:06I live life,
15:07I am connected
15:08with the person
15:09I was when I was born,
15:10with my childhood,
15:12with my adolescence,
15:13and I think that also helps.
15:16I want to add something.
15:17Bravo!
15:18Bravo!
15:24I want to add that,
15:25well,
15:26I am a mother,
15:27I have a husband,
15:28I say swear words,
15:29I fart on the floor,
15:30I do all of them.
15:31Sorry to interrupt you,
15:32I didn't want to make you understand
15:34that a mother
15:35can't move her ass
15:36or say swear words.
15:37And all mothers are accepted,
15:39we all love them.
15:41What I want to say is
15:42that I am versatile,
15:43you see,
15:44I do both.
15:46We all say swear words.
15:47I say swear words
15:48and I get drunk.
15:49But...
15:53Sorry.
15:54No, what I wanted to say
15:55is that I have been learning,
15:57which is not easy,
15:58but I have been learning
15:59how to enjoy
16:00even the fact
16:01that people throw hate at me.
16:02I mean,
16:03sometimes I love
16:04that people hate me
16:06and think
16:07that I am the worst,
16:08and that I am all the nisms
16:11and Nazis
16:12and everything that comes to your mind
16:13and I enjoy it.
16:14Because the more people talk,
16:15the more it is like
16:16the character,
16:17like,
16:18it's terrible,
16:19it's bad,
16:20it's cruel,
16:21it's crazy.
16:22And I love all that
16:23because in the end
16:24I don't care.
16:25I'm at home,
16:26I'm with my baby,
16:27I don't know what.
16:28And there people,
16:29bombs,
16:30they are talking about me
16:31and I'm like,
16:32look bitch,
16:33you keep talking badly,
16:34I enjoy it,
16:35you know?
16:36But it's a job that...
16:37Maybe I'm older
16:38than you,
16:39I think.
16:40But...
16:41Yes,
16:42I think age also...
16:43Zero.
16:44I don't care.
16:46No.
17:10Those are facts,
17:11sister.
17:12Facts.
17:16Yes,
17:17because I don't understand that.
17:18Why only women?
17:19Does anyone know?
17:20I still don't understand.
17:21Because we live in a world
17:22that is still very macho.
17:23Totally.
17:24And...
17:25You have to say it.
17:26Because quietness is prettier,
17:27she says.
17:28No,
17:29no,
17:30quietness,
17:31no.
17:32Quietness,
17:33no.
17:34But I think it's beautiful
17:35also like...
17:36Through what you said
17:37before,
17:38right?
17:39That it changes.
17:40Very slow,
17:41but it changes.
17:42So,
17:43I live many moments
17:44of frustration,
17:45right?
17:46Because in the end,
17:47for example,
17:48behind sexy dances,
17:49sexy outfits,
17:50blond hair
17:51up to my ass,
17:52speaking badly,
17:53uncovering champagne...
17:54I'm a girl
17:55who loves to compose music
17:56and I always talk about that.
17:57What I like to do
17:58the most in my work
17:59is to be in the studio
18:00writing music.
18:01So,
18:02I feel that...
18:03Well,
18:04sometimes it's difficult
18:05not to be in the studio
18:06writing music.
18:07So,
18:08I feel that...
18:09Well,
18:10sometimes it's difficult
18:11not to be in the studio
18:12writing music.
18:13So,
18:14sometimes it's difficult
18:15not to be frustrated,
18:16right?
18:17Because I like to do this
18:18and I do it from the heart
18:19and I'm doing
18:20what I've always dreamed of.
18:21It's hard that all that noise
18:22of hate
18:23from social media
18:24doesn't contaminate you.
18:25So,
18:26it's important,
18:27like...
18:28I liked what you said
18:29about slow,
18:30but it's changing.
18:31So,
18:32with that frustration
18:33of...
18:34I want these comments
18:35to end,
18:36I want all people
18:37in the world
18:38to leave their sexism behind
18:39because even women
18:40have it
18:41in their heads.
18:42So,
18:43it's important
18:44to be patient
18:45and understand
18:46that it changes slowly.
18:47It's the prejudices
18:48of society.
18:49I mean,
18:50you say,
18:51of course,
18:52I have blonde hair
18:53up to my ass
18:54and people say,
18:55oh,
18:56she's stupid,
18:57right?
18:58I mean,
18:59the prejudice
19:00that a woman
19:01can't be
19:02whatever she wants,
19:03dress up
19:04as she wants,
19:05I mean,
19:06and that has nothing
19:07to do with
19:08being smart
19:09or not smart,
19:10capable or not capable.
19:11I mean,
19:12I used to have
19:13a high,
19:14red heel
19:15and a false eyelash
19:16and I didn't get
19:17much respect.
19:18So,
19:19there's still
19:20that stupid prejudice,
19:21but examples
19:22like,
19:23I don't know,
19:24us,
19:25you,
19:26you know?
19:27Like,
19:28the girls,
19:29we're here
19:30and we're artists,
19:31creators,
19:32bitches,
19:33and,
19:34and,
19:35of course,
19:36and faggots
19:37and long hair
19:38up to the ass
19:39and fighting
19:40with each other.
19:41Yes,
19:42totally,
19:43it's disconnected
19:44a lot,
19:45that a woman
19:46can be talented,
19:47intelligent,
19:48capable.
19:49The one who can,
19:50the one who can.
19:52I think that,
19:53sorry,
19:54sorry to interrupt,
19:55but at least
19:56it helped me a lot.
19:57I've always been
19:58an extrasensitive girl
19:59since I was little,
20:00right?
20:01Everything always
20:02affected me
20:03and they told me something
20:04and it made me
20:05smaller
20:06and more insecure
20:07and I'm
20:08introverted
20:09deep down,
20:10my personality,
20:11I cry,
20:12I'm super,
20:13everything,
20:14everything affects me,
20:15it affected me,
20:16now less,
20:17and suddenly
20:18the criticism
20:19hurt me
20:20and locked me in
20:21and I didn't want to go out
20:22and I was depressed
20:23and I got into the studio
20:24and I grabbed
20:25all the comments
20:26that said about me
20:27and I wrote a song
20:28called La Mala
20:29and from there
20:30when people saw
20:31that it affected me
20:32less
20:33and that I said
20:34oh yes,
20:35I'm La Mala,
20:36yes,
20:37reputation,
20:38yeah everything.
20:39People take it
20:40so much
20:41that they don't
20:42dare to bother you
20:43anymore,
20:44it's like
20:45she was mocking
20:46everything we're saying
20:47and it doesn't affect her
20:48and you're less insulted
20:48and before at least
20:50I was telling her
20:51no, no, no,
20:52and now
20:53yes,
20:54yes what you say
20:55is perfect
20:56and they no longer
20:57insult you
20:58and you're hurting yourself
20:59and as you succeed
21:00then they don't
21:01rush to another
21:02if a year
21:03maybe still
21:04happens.
21:05Let's solve it
21:06Solución, todas tenemos que hacer una canción insultándonos a nosotras mismas.
21:12¿Pero cuál ha sido la fórmula para que ustedes puedan seguir fieles
21:17a lo que sienten y al mensaje que quieren compartir, a que no importe?
21:23Pues para mí ha sido darme la mano con otras mujeres,
21:27porque mira lo que está sucediendo hoy en este momento.
21:30Yo las estoy escuchando y yo digo, claro, exacto, eso es lo que yo pienso.
21:34Entonces este es un camino muy solitario, pero cuando te das la mano con otras mujeres
21:39te das cuenta que estamos todas en lo mismo, porque somos hijas de una sociedad machista
21:46y también escuchándolas yo decía, claro, es que imagínate,
21:49nuestras abuelas no podían ni siquiera estudiar.
21:54O sea, esto es algo novedoso y yo digo, dedicarte al arte,
21:58dedicarte a la música como mujer es un acto de rebeldía.
22:01Parece increíble decirlo, pero el hecho de que podemos estar acá,
22:05como nos queramos ver, como lo que queramos decir,
22:09eso hace, no sé, 50, 60 años, era impensable.
22:13Y ahora tenemos el derecho de ser artistas.
22:16Eso que decías, como de ir al estudio y refugiarte en la música, puta,
22:21eso es lo que significa ser artistas, es nuestro trabajo,
22:24o sea, ser lo más genuinas posible.
22:27Y eso a veces cuesta fucking mucho.
22:30Es verdad que no tiene tantos años que las mujeres pueden votar, o sea, es una locura.
22:35Hoy tenemos una mujer presidente en México, después de muchísimos años también,
22:41o sea, es como que volteó y sí está cambiando, lento, pero cambiando.
22:47¿Qué cambiarían ustedes dentro, obviamente han evolucionado muchas cosas,
22:52pero qué cambiarían ustedes dentro de la música?
22:55¿Cambiar?
22:57Como lo primero.
22:59A mí me ha gustado mucho algo que has dicho, que progresivamente se ven en los equipos técnicos,
23:04en los equipos de management, en los equipos de producción.
23:08Directoras.
23:10Directoras, exacto. Cada vez hay más mujeres ocupando esos puestos
23:14y siento que las mujeres son súper válidas.
23:17Para mí una persona que es como una gran inspiración para mí,
23:21nunca lo he dicho así, me suena hasta raro, pero es mi manager.
23:25O sea, yo llevo con la misma manager desde que empecé, ocho años,
23:29ella también se llama Alba, las dos nos llamamos Alba,
23:32pero para mí ver una posición de boss, perdón, boss bee,
23:38no se puede decir la otra palabra,
23:41llevando todo un equipo de management, asesorando a un artista,
23:45ayudándome a crecer, a llevarme a otro nivel,
23:48ver toda esa capacidad que tenemos las mujeres, lo resolutivas que somos.
23:52O sea, yo no quiero tirar a ningún hombre por el suelo,
23:54los hombres son súper válidos también,
23:56pero muchas veces he visto a mi manager rodeada de equipos de hombres
24:00ser muchísimo más resolutiva y como tener una capacidad de solución
24:06muy efectiva y nada, pues como lo que tú decías,
24:10es muy bonito ver como cada vez tenemos más espacios
24:14y podemos seguir demostrando que somos válidas para lo que sea que queramos hacer
24:19y la verdad sea como con otra artista en una colaboración de música
24:23o con una directora o con una chica de producción que te cuida todo el día.
24:28Trabajar con una mujer siempre es un placer,
24:31siempre se siente como más cálido, no sé,
24:33no he tenido ninguna mala experiencia con los hombres con los que he podido colaborar,
24:37siempre han sido muy respetuosos y me han tratado muy bien,
24:39pero tengo tan buenos recuerdos de cuando he trabajado con chicas como
24:44Sisterhood, ¿sabes?
24:46Como me siento cálida aquí, me siento cómoda,
24:49me siento en mi zona de confort y no voy con cuidado,
24:52como la energía es real de tú a tú y se transmite como algo puro
24:57de nos tenemos la una a la otra.
25:00Oye, yo siempre pienso que los hombres como que no pueden hacer dos cosas a la vez,
25:04perdonen, perdonen.
25:06Y yo digo, bueno, ¿cómo han llevado el mundo?
25:09O sea, como que no pueden hacer dos cosas a la vez.
25:12Oye, perdón, cortito.
25:14Me preguntabas que le cambiaríamos a la música,
25:16yo a la música no le cambio nada.
25:18A la industria.
25:19Pero a la industria, a lo mejor por ahí unos contratos, unos masters,
25:23unas cosas ahí.
25:25Una cosita sencilla.
25:28Cositas.
25:29Cositas.
25:30Porcentajes, masters, sí, cosas así.
25:32Y para ustedes, ¿quiénes más han sido como esas mujeres que las han acompañado
25:37o que ustedes han visto a través de los años?
25:41Ya sea adentro o fuera de la música.
25:43Pues mi mamá no forma parte oficial de mi equipo de trabajo,
25:47pero no tiene que formar parte oficial para ya ser oficial.
25:50Porque ella ha estado conmigo desde el inicio, de verdad,
25:54desde que yo a los, no sé, nueve años en Venezuela,
25:57dije quiero cantar.
25:58Ella fue la primera que me llevó a una academia de música,
26:01a unas clases de canto, a todos lados.
26:04Y yo creo que tenerla a ella es súper valioso,
26:07me llena de mucho poder.
26:09Tengo una rollada de mujeres fuertes en mi familia
26:12y yo digo que ella es mi mamayor, aunque no es mi manager,
26:15es como mi mamayor.
26:16Yo recuerdo una vez, esto es una historia un poco graciosa
26:19y un poco vergonzosa en el momento, si me preguntas por qué era pequeña,
26:22y sabes cuando tú eres más pequeño que todo te da vergüenza.
26:24Como que no, mamá, no hagas eso, por favor.
26:26Yo había grabado por primera vez en un estudio un demo en Venezuela
26:30de tres canciones que eran covers, una de Michael Jackson
26:32y las otras dos no recuerdo cuáles eran.
26:34Estábamos en el carro y me acuerdo que al lado había un cantante venezolano
26:38y mi mamá me dice, mira, ahí está.
26:40Era Chino, el de Chino y Nacho.
26:42Y me dice, ahí está Chino.
26:44Le voy a tirar un disco de esos tuyos del demo que grabaste en Venezuela
26:47por la ventana.
26:49Y yo digo, esta mujer se volvió loca.
26:51Y mi mamá bajó a la ventana y empezó a gritarle como una loca,
26:54él tenía música y mi mamá.
26:56Obviamente él dirá, algo está pasando, se volteó.
26:59Mi mamá bajó a la ventana, él baja a la ventana
27:01y mi mamá sin decirle nada le tiró el disco por la ventana
27:04y le cayó al carro y le dijo, ¡esa es mi hija!
27:07Y yo abajo así en el carro,
27:09que Dios mío, ¿cómo me escondo aquí?
27:11Y decía, escúchala, canta bellísimo y es bellísima.
27:14Escúchala, escúchala.
27:15Y ese hombre siguió.
27:16Mira, yo más nunca me lo encontré.
27:18Yo más nunca me lo encontré.
27:19Yo digo, ¿ese hombre de verdad habrá pensado que somos unas locas?
27:22De verdad que sí.
27:24¿Quién era Chino?
27:25¿O Nacho?
27:26No, era Chino, era Chino.
27:28No, porque Nacho viene mañana.
27:29Ah, ok.
27:32Por eso le digo, tenías por ahí guardado.
27:34Por favor, esto no se comente, esto se queda aquí entre nosotros.
27:37Y en verdad, olvidé la pregunta que hiciste,
27:39porque esta memoria de madre a mí me tiene mal.
27:41Yo te iba a preguntar, ¿a ti te pasó eso?
27:43Que la memoria es como que se fue.
27:44Terrible.
27:45Yo olvidé la pregunta, pero yo sé que te dije esta historia.
27:47O sea, no es un hito.
27:48Yo te dije esta historia por algo que tú preguntas.
27:51Por tu mamá, que era tu referencia.
27:53Mi mamá es mi referencia.
27:54De poder, de que no le tenga pena nada
27:56y que de cualquier cosa puede salir una oportunidad,
27:58uno nunca sabe.
28:00¿Cuánto tiene tu bebé?
28:02Un mes y dos semanas.
28:03Ah, bueno, estás recién.
28:06Yo le digo, ¿dónde no se hace?
28:09Cambia el cerebro.
28:10Está complicado.
28:11Ah, no, sí, horrible.
28:12Yo ya de por sí ya tenía mala memoria.
28:13Imagínate, ahora yo no sé ni quién soy.
28:14Hay estudios, eso.
28:15Sí, no.
28:16Bueno, no sé cómo estás aquí.
28:17Yo duré como un año para poder salir de mi casa.
28:20¿También eres mamá?
28:21Sí.
28:22Sí, también estabas perdida, yo estoy perdida.
28:23Perdida.
28:24Y sin dormir, con tres horas de sueño por aquí.
28:26No, qué bonito.
28:27Yo sé que ustedes también se han atrevido muchísimo a experimentar
28:29con su propia música.
28:30Volviendo otra vez, Bely, te hemos visto últimamente hacer
28:32más del lado del regional mexicano.
28:34¿Cómo has disfrutado de esa etapa?
28:36Me encanta.
28:37Me encanta esta etapa porque hace, hace tres, cuatro años
28:41que estoy aquí.
28:42Me encanta.
28:43Me encanta.
28:44Me encanta.
28:45Me encanta.
28:46Me encanta.
28:47Me encanta.
28:48Me encanta.
28:49Me encanta.
28:50Me encanta.
28:51Me encanta.
28:52Me encanta.
28:53Me encanta.
28:54Me encanta.
28:55Es una etapa muy divertida, hace tres, cuatro años,
28:57una persona me dijo que ese género no era para mujeres
29:00y que yo nunca iba a poder cantar ese tipo de canciones.
29:03Y regresamos a la Bely.
29:05Como, ¡no es que!
29:08Y cuando firmé con mi disquera, dije, quiero hacer regional.
29:11Quiero hacer algo diferente.
29:13Quiero hacer corridos tumbados.
29:15Y Nathanael Cano, que tengo una canción con él
29:17que se llama 300 Noches, me inspiró muchísimo
29:23porque yo lo admiraba.
29:24And I said, I want to make a song with him, but I don't know if he's going to think that I don't.
29:31I mean, there's always that part of, no, no, no, maybe I don't dare to show him what I wrote,
29:35because maybe he's going to say he doesn't like it, he's going to embarrass me,
29:39I don't want to be told no, I'm afraid of rejection.
29:43And I was like, oh, I wrote a song, it's called 300 Nights,
29:48and when we put it together, at that moment he said, I love it, I want to record it.
29:54And I couldn't believe it, that a song that I had written in another genre,
29:59was going to be sung by Nata, who is the one who started with that genre.
30:04So how life changes when you do things feeling them,
30:10and being sure of yourself, and fighting for what you want,
30:15because maybe if I hadn't dared, I would have continued doing things
30:19that didn't fill me up as much as what I'm doing now.
30:22And taking risks, I've always said that's what you have to do,
30:27take risks and lose your fear, little by little, but lose it.
30:32And I think that's important too, because obviously we're talking about the strength of women,
30:37but it's also the strength with which we come up with new ideas for men,
30:42who are also going to accept them, why not?
30:44There doesn't have to be a division.
30:46How many of you have dared to do new things in music?
30:53Well, in my experience, I admire a lot, obviously, all the producers,
30:59composers, guys I've worked with, and they've also admired the way I work,
31:05which I think is super nice, because really, this isn't throwing shade at any man,
31:09but in my experience, I think that even openly, there have been women
31:14who have talked about harassment of producers, writers, people in the industry,
31:19and it's very strong when you arrive at a studio with an idea,
31:22as Bely says, and you don't know how they're going to react.
31:25It's not because of something, but we also live with a prejudice of theirs,
31:29also marked by society, by what you're listening to.
31:32And in my experience, it was incredible.
31:34The last album took me about three years to make, which came out this April,
31:38and I did it with a team of guys that I admire, that I love,
31:43that are family, that are friends, where, for the first time,
31:46I also produced my own music.
31:49Basically, I kidnapped my project and I didn't show it to anyone
31:53until I said, this is my album and this is what we're going to do.
31:56All the creative part, all the photos, all the videos,
32:01it's like taking the responsibility without telling anyone
32:06and having a team of people that connects and can collaborate.
32:10I think I was just talking these days about the power of co-creation,
32:14that in the end, we come from a creation,
32:17powerful, of two human beings to give birth to a baby, etc.
32:21But I think that when you enter a studio,
32:24it's very cool to know that you're available in that energy to create.
32:28And then everything around you works.
32:30That's also very cool.
32:32In terms of experience, I had never imagined that I would be able to finish.
32:35I love producing voices, for example,
32:38and I didn't sleep producing the voices of Child Star on this album.
32:42And I realized that I thought I needed someone else,
32:46or that I needed approval from someone, or from a director,
32:49or from EMIAR, or whatever,
32:51and presenting the finished product and feeling proud of it,
32:56because in the end, I followed my vision, I followed what I wanted to do,
32:59and I spent all my energy there.
33:02So, I think that was a bit of pushing me not to be afraid
33:06of wanting to own everything in the sense of a creative director
33:10and fully go to your vision.
33:12And I think that in experience and in experimenting,
33:15something good always comes out.
33:19Sorry, I wanted to add that I loved what you both said,
33:23because it seems like we've dropped a bit of shade,
33:26but then I think we also have to highlight these men
33:29who are accomplices within the industry, right?
33:32Because since the first time I was able to come here to record in Miami,
33:35I think it was in 2019,
33:37I had the legends, the producers, the legends of reggaeton,
33:41supporting me, pulling me up,
33:44and with a super open vision of what a woman can say in a song,
33:49of what rhythms a woman can choose,
33:51of darker rhythms, more masculine,
33:55to see the confidence in their eyes when I started to sing,
33:59to speak and to say nonsense on the mic,
34:02and that they looked at me and said,
34:04he's a bastard, he's handsome, as we say in Spain,
34:07he's handsome, I love what you've done.
34:09Well, I think we also have to highlight all these super talented producers
34:13and male artists too, who are accomplices
34:16and who support this new wave of the woman who speaks without hair on her tongue
34:21or the woman who chooses what kind of tape she wants to use,
34:26what kind of drum, what kind of light for a photo shoot,
34:30and having accomplices in this is something that we have to highlight
34:33and the truth is that it makes everything much easier, more pleasant,
34:36and you work at ease.
34:39And what is the best secret?
34:41Because I know that all of you have worked very hard for your careers,
34:44independently, but what is the best secret to be the owners of yourself,
34:49of everything you are doing?
34:59I think we go to the same thing as the social media response,
35:02you have to get together with tools that allow you to have a kind of armor
35:06so that your sacredness, your creativity, no one touches it.
35:11And it's very difficult, it's very difficult because there are many things
35:14that are factors so that you can be heard,
35:18or you can be at the table, let's say, sitting at the table,
35:23and those insecurities get stuck in what you have inside.
35:28Do I have to do this differently?
35:30Should I give in a little to this producer to tell me what I have to do?
35:35Because he does have a song on the radio.
35:37But I think those tools, which are the same ones you have to put together
35:43to receive that hate on social media,
35:46are the same ones to say, this is me, and defend it.
35:50This is my essence, and this is what I'm going to do,
35:52and with this I'm going to die, I'm going to die.
35:56Besides, I feel that it also depends on the interests that each artist has.
36:01Now, it doesn't matter if you are a woman, if you are a man,
36:03or how you identify, what are you looking for?
36:06I mean, I want to be a hit, I want to be number one in the world.
36:13So, you have to go with the people who are going to help you achieve that.
36:19And that doesn't mean that you have to be faithful to yourself.
36:22I mean, I'm faithful to what I want, because what I want is my hit.
36:26It's like being clear about what you want with your career, finally.
36:33Obviously, on the road, you doubt, and it's all the time.
36:38I mean, no matter how sure you are of yourself, of your art,
36:42of your aesthetics, or whatever, there are still doubts, all the time.
36:48And it's okay to doubt, but that's it.
36:52I mean, it depends on being clear about what I want to do with this song or this album.
36:57And don't be afraid to experiment, too.
37:00I think that, in the end, just Bely is the perfect example of an artist
37:04who decided to be regional and run barefoot in her style.
37:08And it's a beauty, because in the end, this is what shines.
37:11It's definitely not a genre.
37:14I think that as an artist, knowing who you are, you can do whatever you want.
37:18So, you get the right people with whom to follow your vision.
37:22I love that today, that music is not as closed as it used to be,
37:27which was like rock and pop.
37:31It was super segmented.
37:34I didn't like that at all.
37:36I felt like, when I was a kid, I used to say,
37:39but why is that?
37:40Like caged.
37:41Super caged.
37:43And I guess because of my punk spirit,
37:46because even if you see me as Señora de Rojo and Arito Perla, I'm punk.
37:51So, my punk spirit has always led me to do different things in each album.
37:58It's like I challenge myself, because that's what entertains me.
38:02So, of course, you listen to my music and one album has nothing to do with the other.
38:07But I have a lot of fun with that, because I feel that, in my case,
38:11it's exploring a character per album.
38:14More than a musical genre, it has a lot to do with the theatrical and aesthetic.
38:20So, it's like a character for each album.
38:24And now I'm in my autobiographical character.
38:27I love it.
38:28And it's also important, I think, to remember that numbers don't define us.
38:33Totally.
38:34That's important, because maybe you make an album because you want to make a certain style of music,
38:42a concept that you like, and you're super happy with your idea,
38:47with your concept, with your lyrics, with everything.
38:50And that's your success.
38:51Not because you don't have the numbers that maybe other artists have.
38:55Your album was a failure.
38:58Numbers don't define us.
39:01Nobody.
39:02And I think that's also important.
39:04Not feeling that pressure of,
39:06well, it's not going well for my song because it's not on top.
39:10It's not true.
39:11There's so much music.
39:12It's going well because there are, I don't know how many people right now,
39:16maybe five people listening to it, and it's changing their lives in some way.
39:20And it's giving them love, support, or helping them, or accompanying them.
39:26So for me, I think it's also important that you do what you like
39:30and that you don't think about satisfying others to achieve certain numbers or success.
39:37It's a consequence of something genuine, I think.
39:41Well, to close, we have a few seconds left.
39:44If you made a song together,
39:47what do you think would be more on the side of love or disloyalty?
39:52A song together?
39:53If you made a song all together,
39:55would you lean more on the side of love or disloyalty?
39:58I think it would be a song like those songs that last six minutes and change.
40:02That tell the whole story.
40:03The rhythm and the beat.
40:04The beat and the style and everything changes,
40:06but then you come back and you're at the beginning of the song again
40:09and everyone is singing the same thing again.
40:11I think it would be something like that.
40:12I know.
40:13I would take advantage of it.
40:14Because I'm lazy.
40:15I sit at the piano playing ballads.
40:16No, I would take advantage of the fact that I'm naked
40:19and you're there to party.
40:21That's what I would do.
40:23I think it's learning, listening to each other.
40:26I would love to listen to each one's vision.
40:28And fair.
40:29I mean, we're a very strong team of women.
40:31And I think it would be something like that.
40:34And fair.
40:35I mean, we're a very strong team of women.
40:37Powerful, beautiful, talented.
40:39Where suddenly, each one of us creates a wonderful song.
40:43I think it's fair.
40:44It's a collaboration of ideas so that we all shine.
40:47And now I'm hearing...
40:48Me too.
40:49I thought it was the guitar in the song.
40:51What were we going to do together?
40:52Well.
40:53Please.
40:54They're not playing the guitar for us.
40:56For the ending.
40:58Let's start composing together.
41:01At once.
41:03That was the surprise at the end of the panel.
41:07Thank you all for this time.
41:10It was a pleasure.
41:11It's an iconic moment we had here.
41:14And thank you for this space.