Un edificio de diez pisos colapsó en Villa Gesell, dejando a varias personas atrapadas. Un dron termográfico del Ministerio de Seguridad está siendo utilizado para detectar señales de vida entre los escombros. La búsqueda se centra en identificar sobrevivientes bajo la pila de cemento. En Desayuno Americano hubo una cobertura exclusiva del caso, hablo el Intendente y el fiscal de la causa.
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00:00:00Regarding the owners, Carlos, that we were talking about,
00:00:02the founding family is made up of Croatian immigrants,
00:00:06but they sold it to an anonymous tourism company.
00:00:09That's why they are also debating if the person who is inside the hotel,
00:00:12who they say is the owner, is the person in charge,
00:00:14is this person from the agency.
00:00:16There were also workers sleeping in the place.
00:00:19The vast majority of them disappeared.
00:00:21It has to do with those who were working on that remodeling.
00:00:24I don't know if Adriana can tell us more details,
00:00:27because the 10-story hotel has 45 rooms.
00:00:31It collapses on another one, which is next to it,
00:00:33which had three floors.
00:00:34What they say is that this other three-story building was not a hotel,
00:00:37but a residence.
00:00:38That's why it is understood that there were also some families,
00:00:41some people sleeping there.
00:00:43But they are the two places where people would be trapped.
00:00:48What are we seeing, Adriana, right now? Tell me.
00:00:52We are in front of Dubrovnik.
00:00:56To the right, there is a two-story apartment complex,
00:01:02with a roof of tiles.
00:01:04Behind, it is also long, this construction is long.
00:01:08That's where it falls.
00:01:09It is a 10-story building that falls.
00:01:11To give you an idea.
00:01:12The magnitude of the impact.
00:01:14It is higher than we see behind.
00:01:15And where are the people?
00:01:16It is higher than we see behind.
00:01:18Of course, of course.
00:01:20In fact, it stood out.
00:01:22If you look back, of course.
00:01:25The image is very clear.
00:01:27If you see the aerial images,
00:01:29with the same images that are in Google, of the hotel,
00:01:32it is a very important tower,
00:01:34the one that was seen behind here,
00:01:37of the circular construction that we have in front.
00:01:40I don't know if you can see it,
00:01:42because of the size,
00:01:43there is a thermographic drone
00:01:46of the Ministry of Security of the Province of Buenos Aires,
00:01:49that Javier Alonso took with the people,
00:01:51collaborating with the field work,
00:01:54to first know if there are people alive
00:01:57and work on that.
00:01:59The thermographic drone is the same one
00:02:01that was used with the Lohan case,
00:02:03to see at night.
00:02:04What does the thermographic drone do?
00:02:06It shows a heat map under the rubble.
00:02:10This means, and shows this intelligent drone,
00:02:13if there is life or not,
00:02:15if there is a body or not,
00:02:16under this pile of cement,
00:02:20that unfortunately we are seeing an image
00:02:22that is quite large and notorious.
00:02:23The question I'm going to ask you is hard,
00:02:25but that drone can detect
00:02:26if the body is alive or not,
00:02:28by the temperature of the body.
00:02:30It's thermographic,
00:02:31it's like a heat sensor that shows.
00:02:34So if the person is dead, it doesn't show it to you.
00:02:37It shows it to you day or night.
00:02:38No, but I mean,
00:02:39if the person is dead, it doesn't show it to you.
00:02:41Exactly, it shows heat.
00:02:42Only people who are still alive.
00:02:44It can show you an animal, alive,
00:02:46or a person alive,
00:02:47human heat, it detects it.
00:02:49Now, obviously, if there is a dead person, it doesn't.
00:02:51But they are looking for, with that drone,
00:02:53at this moment,
00:02:54the police of the province of Buenos Aires,
00:02:55if there are or not people with trapped lives.
00:02:58They presume that there are.
00:02:59Of course, there was talk of soundproofing.
00:03:02There was talk of soundproofing, Carlos.
00:03:04Well, very early in the morning,
00:03:07the head of the local fire department,
00:03:09let's remember a detail that I don't think is true in this story.
00:03:12Villagers have a fire department
00:03:14of voluntary people.
00:03:15What does that mean?
00:03:16That they have a job,
00:03:18that they have a place,
00:03:19that they work with trucks.
00:03:21I mean, they have preparation,
00:03:23but they are not used to this type of situation.
00:03:26So, what did they do with the soundproofing?
00:03:29They shouted out loud
00:03:30that if there was a person alive,
00:03:33please, they were going to be silent,
00:03:35and to shout to the best of their ability.
00:03:38This happened at dawn.
00:03:40Then they added firefighters,
00:03:41even from Mar del Plata.
00:03:43They are collaborating, Pamela,
00:03:44because imagine that there are
00:03:45150 people working
00:03:48only in the circumference of the rubble.
00:03:51And also, Carlos, Pamela,
00:03:52I also imagine the complications to access,
00:03:55because you can't put machines in there,
00:03:57for example, right?
00:03:58So, it's a human job.
00:04:00I don't know, Adrián,
00:04:01if you are seeing
00:04:02what elements are being used for the search,
00:04:05but what we do understand
00:04:07is that diggers cannot enter in any way
00:04:09to collaborate with the rubble.
00:04:13No, we are re-accommodating
00:04:15precisely because of a question
00:04:16of the sector that is enabled
00:04:18for us to be here.
00:04:19We have here a little post office
00:04:20where we can observe
00:04:21where there are trucks,
00:04:23behind the truck
00:04:24there are some mechanical shovels,
00:04:26some miniature tractors
00:04:28that are the ones that enter
00:04:30to the place,
00:04:31but they had to build,
00:04:32they had to,
00:04:33the word is not to improvise,
00:04:35but understand me,
00:04:36they had to improvise a slide,
00:04:38typical of construction work,
00:04:40to be able to remove all the rubble
00:04:43that is behind this construction.
00:04:45And a little further back,
00:04:47we can observe
00:04:49that there is now a police cordon
00:04:52in the ambulance sector,
00:04:55which is behind the trucks.
00:05:00We can observe,
00:05:02there is a movement,
00:05:04at this moment,
00:05:05it is happening now,
00:05:06they are making a kind of police cordon
00:05:08to avoid being seen from here,
00:05:11and they are all standing,
00:05:13I don't know if you can observe
00:05:14how they are all standing,
00:05:15all the firemen and the police
00:05:17behind this ambulance.
00:05:19This is happening now,
00:05:22we are observing
00:05:25the police
00:05:29and also the rescue personnel
00:05:31and also the nurses
00:05:32who are behind.
00:05:34We are in a cordon
00:05:36that is where they let us advance,
00:05:38a sector for the press
00:05:40that is well organized,
00:05:42I have to emphasize,
00:05:43once it is well organized,
00:05:45we are well organized in a sector,
00:05:46a cordon where we do not bother anyone.
00:05:48How far are you from the collapse?
00:05:5220 meters,
00:05:53we are in front,
00:05:56almost in the corner,
00:05:57but we are in front of the Hotel Dubrovnik,
00:05:59we are approximately 20 meters,
00:06:02obviously we don't see
00:06:04that sector,
00:06:06but I tell you,
00:06:08behind there is this ambulance movement
00:06:10that clearly shows us
00:06:13that there is something,
00:06:14some novelty we are going to have
00:06:16in moments.
00:06:18Let's remember that Fabián García,
00:06:19the Deputy Secretary of Civil Defense
00:06:21of the province of Buenos Aires,
00:06:22confirmed to us that there would be
00:06:2315 people involved
00:06:26that are in these two structures,
00:06:30because it is not only the hotel,
00:06:31but also the construction
00:06:33where there were contacts
00:06:36at least with a confirmed woman.
00:06:38They confirmed to me that there are
00:06:39three people in total.
00:06:41At the first hour,
00:06:42it was only a woman who had contact
00:06:44thanks to the support dogs
00:06:46and the rescuers,
00:06:48but all the first three hours
00:06:49that were critical of night rescue,
00:06:53there would be three in total
00:06:55who have contact
00:06:57and in total 15 people involved
00:07:01who are trapped or disappeared
00:07:04in the rubble
00:07:05and are already in contact with relatives
00:07:07who are receiving psychological assistance.
00:07:09As for the search and the details,
00:07:12do you see the Canina unit, for example,
00:07:14which is crucial in these rescues?
00:07:16No, no, we can't.
00:07:18Can you?
00:07:20Sorry, let me add something,
00:07:23because the structure,
00:07:24I don't know if you have the image,
00:07:25I would like to show here
00:07:27with our colleague Fabián,
00:07:29Fabián, when we see that a truck
00:07:32of different firefighters is entering,
00:07:35a new one,
00:07:36which was not there until now,
00:07:38which will cover all the vision
00:07:40of the firefighters' school,
00:07:44I wanted to see if we could show
00:07:47the previous image
00:07:49of what the structure was like
00:07:51and with our colleague
00:07:53raise the camera
00:07:55so that they understand that behind
00:07:57this circular construction,
00:07:59like this viewpoint
00:08:01that the hotel had behind,
00:08:03there was a very important structure
00:08:06of 10 floors,
00:08:07almost like the one you see behind,
00:08:09but it was in front.
00:08:11It was very, very classic.
00:08:13And it was much bigger.
00:08:14One of the tallest buildings in the area.
00:08:16Of course, it was bigger.
00:08:17We have it on the screen.
00:08:19We are making the comparison
00:08:21from before and today, of course.
00:08:24We are making the comparison
00:08:26and it is overwhelming what you see.
00:08:29Pame, last moment, we are going to expand.
00:08:31They are about to rescue
00:08:33the first person alive.
00:08:35It is a woman.
00:08:36The people of the municipality of Villa Gesell
00:08:38confirm it to me.
00:08:39People close to Intendant Barrera.
00:08:41They tell me that this person
00:08:43who just sent me an audio,
00:08:45I don't know if I can put it on air,
00:08:46but he tells me
00:08:48so that I don't ask for permission,
00:08:49really, to listen.
00:08:51Very good.
00:08:52At this moment they are rescuing
00:08:54the first person alive.
00:08:56It is a woman.
00:08:57It is an adult woman.
00:08:59And this is confirmed.
00:09:00Can I put it on air?
00:09:01Yes, very good.
00:09:02Carlos.
00:09:03Let's see if it can be heard.
00:09:05Stop, stop, because I have it locked.
00:09:07We are working live.
00:09:08This is information from the moment.
00:09:10A good news that can be given.
00:09:13They are rescuing
00:09:14a woman at this moment.
00:09:15With video.
00:09:16I have everything at 10 meters.
00:09:18What I can confirm to you
00:09:20is that the first person alive
00:09:22is being rescued.
00:09:24They are finishing removing the debris
00:09:26and being able to remove the woman.
00:09:28But it hasn't happened yet.
00:09:30Everything else, I don't know.
00:09:31Good.
00:09:32Was that heard?
00:09:33I don't know if it was heard.
00:09:34Yes.
00:09:35Carlos, will it be this woman
00:09:36that they were saying a few minutes ago
00:09:38when they start screaming,
00:09:40let's say,
00:09:41that if someone was listening,
00:09:42that if someone was alive,
00:09:43there is a woman who responds
00:09:45and also says that she is very close
00:09:47to another person
00:09:48who is also alive.
00:09:49I understand that it could be her.
00:09:51Shall we go with Adrián?
00:09:52Yes, let's see.
00:09:53Do we have the audio?
00:09:54Shall we put it back?
00:09:55Let's put the audio, please.
00:09:56Let's see.
00:09:57I'm here in the place.
00:09:58I'm looking at everything at 10 meters.
00:10:01What I can confirm to you
00:10:02is that in a few minutes
00:10:03the first person alive
00:10:05may be rescued.
00:10:07They are finishing removing the debris
00:10:09and being able to remove the woman.
00:10:11But it hasn't happened yet.
00:10:12Well, the rest I can't.
00:10:13Of course.
00:10:14I'm going with Adrián to the cell phone.
00:10:16We are live and we see dogs,
00:10:17probably also for the rescue.
00:10:19Adrián, are we with you?
00:10:21Yes, the dogs, as you know,
00:10:23have a work protocol
00:10:25that they have a predetermined time of work
00:10:29and then they rest so as not to tire them.
00:10:33Just the information that Carlos told
00:10:36with that audio
00:10:38is what we are seeing.
00:10:40We are about 60, 50 meters from this ambulance
00:10:44where there is a police cordon behind the ambulance
00:10:46and there is another cordon
00:10:48looking towards the entrance door
00:10:51to the Lindero building.
00:10:53So we understand that the cleanest exit
00:10:57they can make with a possible rescue
00:11:01is through the construction next door,
00:11:04that is, from the building, from the roof of Texas,
00:11:07so that we can locate ourselves.
00:11:09As you can see, there are two cordons
00:11:11that are right at the entrance to the building
00:11:14next to the Hotel Dubrónica.
00:11:16So on the one hand there is the rescue operation
00:11:19that is being carried out by specialized personnel
00:11:22with the ambulance at the door
00:11:27and on the other hand there is the whole operation
00:11:29of removing debris.
00:11:33We can already see another truck.
00:11:35I mean, trucks with debris
00:11:37are constantly coming and going.
00:11:39Imagine, I'm reiterating,
00:11:41but there are 10 floors
00:11:43with many rooms.
00:11:45It was a hotel, a 30-year-old apartment hotel
00:11:49that was inaugurated in 1994,
00:11:52a construction that had begun in 1986.
00:11:55One of the highest in the area.
00:11:59Villagecen is not characterized
00:12:01for having very high buildings,
00:12:03so a 10-story building
00:12:05was striking.
00:12:07It is important.
00:12:09It stood out, of course.
00:12:11Yes, yes.
00:12:13Let's see, it's moving, it's impressive
00:12:15to think about the amount of debris,
00:12:17as Adrián was going to say,
00:12:19from 10 floors of a building
00:12:21on people who, some of them,
00:12:23are still alive and can be rescued.
00:12:25The work of the firefighters
00:12:27must be done carefully.
00:12:29And counterclockwise as well, Pame.
00:12:31Yes, of course.
00:12:33It's fundamental.
00:12:35This happened at 1 a.m.
00:12:37At 1 a.m.
00:12:39We are arriving at 12 a.m.
00:12:41It's a long time.
00:12:43You have to see the conditions.
00:12:45And also, beyond the conditions,
00:12:47not only to be able
00:12:49not to move, but to preserve life.
00:12:51For example, you have to see
00:12:53the structure where each
00:12:55person was sleeping.
00:12:57Those who are trapped,
00:12:59there are 9 people in the building
00:13:01that fell, and another 4 or 5 people
00:13:03in the building or house next door.
00:13:05There you can see it well.
00:13:07We are showing the production.
00:13:09In that image, if you want to go
00:13:11to full screen,
00:13:13this is it.
00:13:15The hotel is the one with
00:13:17that white balcony.
00:13:19That's the hotel that collapsed
00:13:21at 1 a.m.
00:13:23It affected the Lindera house,
00:13:25and in that Lindera house
00:13:27people were also trapped.
00:13:29What do they tell us
00:13:31from the municipality of Villagecel?
00:13:33That in the construction of the 10-story building
00:13:35there would be 9 people trapped,
00:13:37and another 4 or 5 people
00:13:39in the Lindera building
00:13:41right next door, which would work
00:13:43not as a hotel, but with summer
00:13:45rental housing. Imagine if this
00:13:47had happened in December.
00:13:49We are talking about a tragedy because
00:13:51these places are often full of young people
00:13:53who are going to spend their first vacation.
00:13:55Many young people, teenagers,
00:13:57there in Villagecel.
00:13:59Was that hotel licensed for use?
00:14:01Of course.
00:14:03It was not licensed to build.
00:14:05We know that.
00:14:07To build, or to make the reforms,
00:14:09or to make an elevator, as they were doing.
00:14:11In fact, Pame says that the building
00:14:13was licensed for change of carpentry,
00:14:15change of floor coating, interior painting,
00:14:17change of bathroom coating,
00:14:19and removal of tables.
00:14:21It was all that they had licensed,
00:14:23and they were making an elevator.
00:14:25Let's go to the model with Adrián.
00:14:27Adrián, we see movement from the place.
00:14:29Yes, the movement continues.
00:14:31In fact, we are also attached
00:14:33to what is the sector
00:14:35of some way
00:14:37of rest
00:14:39of the firefighters.
00:14:41They have been here since very early.
00:14:43Here comes another rescue dog.
00:14:45More dogs arrived.
00:14:47There was a reinforcement
00:14:49of rescue dogs, as we saw
00:14:51in those new trucks
00:14:53that had arrived, which were not there before.
00:14:55I mean the firefighters
00:14:57of the province of Buenos Aires.
00:14:59I think we are already above
00:15:01the 200, 150
00:15:03that are working
00:15:05in the area.
00:15:07And let's remember
00:15:09that they also arrived from different points
00:15:11of the province of Buenos Aires.
00:15:13Not only from Pinamar,
00:15:15from the Cariló area, from Madariaga,
00:15:17also from Mar del Plata,
00:15:19volunteer firefighters,
00:15:21also from Santa Clara del Mar,
00:15:23from what is called Mar Chiquita.
00:15:25There we can observe
00:15:27that they are also wearing
00:15:29a shirt.
00:15:33The press sector is about
00:15:3560 meters from the ambulance,
00:15:37we are 40 meters from the hotel door
00:15:39of this construction
00:15:41and we are waiting
00:15:43for the official word.
00:15:45Here, the press sector was only spoken
00:15:47by the
00:15:49civil defense
00:15:51of the province of Buenos Aires,
00:15:53the civil defense.
00:15:55He was there for a few minutes
00:15:57and then he retired.
00:15:59He spoke only with a local media
00:16:01and now we are waiting.
00:16:03Let's remember that
00:16:05the civil defense of the province
00:16:07confirmed that at least 15 people
00:16:09would be trapped.
00:16:119, 10 in the hotel structure
00:16:13and the other
00:16:15in the neighboring building.
00:16:17Let's remember that they are rescuing
00:16:19a woman at this time.
00:16:21This woman would be alive,
00:16:23she would be in critical condition,
00:16:25this is the primary information.
00:16:27The ambulance that you see there
00:16:29with our camera,
00:16:31located in a privileged place,
00:16:33is the ambulance waiting
00:16:35for the transfer of this woman
00:16:37to the hospital of the area.
00:16:39Imagine that the hospital of the area
00:16:41had to condition itself
00:16:43for a situation like the one
00:16:45they are facing.
00:16:47One thing is the exam
00:16:49in the federal capital
00:16:51where there is a limit
00:16:53of doctors and guards.
00:16:55They are collaborating
00:16:57in nearby municipalities
00:16:59with ambulances to transfer.
00:17:01We are talking about a lot of people
00:17:03and if you need a shock room
00:17:05you will need at least
00:17:07one or two hospitals.
00:17:09A happy news
00:17:11that I like to repeat
00:17:13is that they are rescuing
00:17:15a woman at this time
00:17:17and she would be in good condition.
00:17:19We will talk about this later,
00:17:21now the important thing
00:17:23is the people who are being rescued.
00:17:25I was just hearing about the
00:17:27fact that there will be a lot of
00:17:29hotels doing renovations.
00:17:31Although the municipality allows
00:17:33the construction of new buildings,
00:17:35it does not control them.
00:17:37It is not that after the municipality
00:17:39they will see if finally
00:17:41they did a change of floor,
00:17:43a painting, a minimal renovation.
00:17:45They allow the construction
00:17:47of the hotel.
00:17:49I think this is remarkable.
00:17:51A season that is coming,
00:17:53many places that
00:17:55should be working.
00:17:57What guarantees do we have?
00:17:59What guarantees do we have?
00:18:01We have to see
00:18:03what part of the structure
00:18:05was affected
00:18:07so that a relatively
00:18:09young building,
00:18:11a 100-year-old building,
00:18:13a relatively new building,
00:18:15for that building to collapse
00:18:17in the form of a collapse.
00:18:19What structure?
00:18:21Pamela?
00:18:23Yes, Adrián, we are with you.
00:18:25The information
00:18:27on the first morning
00:18:29by the municipality
00:18:31is that the building,
00:18:33our workers, would be
00:18:35doing work in the elevator sector
00:18:37in one of the subfloors.
00:18:39Sure, that could be
00:18:41the structure
00:18:43that collapsed.
00:18:45My question to Carlos is
00:18:47if a building on the coast
00:18:49has the same maintenance
00:18:51as here, for example?
00:18:53No, because they are
00:18:55one block from the sea.
00:18:57And did it have
00:18:59all the adequate maintenance?
00:19:01Well, that's what they're trying to verify
00:19:03after all this happened in the municipality.
00:19:05Keep in mind that they had already
00:19:07stopped a work of structure
00:19:09that collapsed,
00:19:11they were supposedly doing it
00:19:13in a clandestine way.
00:19:15This obviously now happens in the background
00:19:17because you have people there trapped
00:19:19and waiting for us to have good news.
00:19:21But after all this happens,
00:19:23someone will have to take responsibility.
00:19:25Because regardless of whether the work is clandestine or not,
00:19:27you have an engineer or an architect
00:19:29who evaluated that work.
00:19:31I'm going to take this opportunity,
00:19:33Dr. Valeria Carreras is here
00:19:35for another topic,
00:19:37and I can ask you, Valeria,
00:19:39what is the chain of obligations
00:19:41of responsibilities in a construction?
00:19:43I see a priori here
00:19:45that there was a deception
00:19:47by the hotel owners
00:19:49and the contractors for the following.
00:19:51You have two procedures
00:19:53before any municipality.
00:19:55The work notice and the work permit.
00:19:57The first thing you do is the notice.
00:19:59You make the plans, there is an architect
00:20:01who signs the plan.
00:20:03The notice is not, you don't need an architect
00:20:05and I'll explain why.
00:20:07The notice is what they declared.
00:20:09Painting, change of...
00:20:11Yes, aesthetics.
00:20:13Aesthetics in the construction.
00:20:15Walls and floors.
00:20:17You can't change, for example, frames.
00:20:19You can't change doors.
00:20:21In the frames you affect
00:20:23the structure, you have to cut.
00:20:25So there you have to make a work permit.
00:20:27And the work permit requires two things.
00:20:29The signature of a professional,
00:20:31the stages in which...
00:20:33The signature of a professional...
00:20:35Who is responsible for this.
00:20:37So there you have to say
00:20:39how are you going to give support
00:20:41to the work, for example.
00:20:43If I'm going to change openings,
00:20:45what am I going to cut?
00:20:47How am I going to cut while I remove them?
00:20:49If I'm going to affect a master wall,
00:20:51if I'm going to touch a half-timber.
00:20:53All that has to be in the second step.
00:20:55Of course, they didn't do it.
00:20:57Notice that here we are informed...
00:20:59We are going to paint and change the floor.
00:21:01Of course, they had already denied it.
00:21:03What was in favor of the municipality?
00:21:05That prohibition a priori and the municipality.
00:21:07What I'm going to tell you...
00:21:09The municipality prohibited it.
00:21:11And they did it anyway.
00:21:13And if there is deception, there is pain.
00:21:15Because who deceives you, who says
00:21:17I'm just going to paint, nothing happens.
00:21:19I already knew that what I was going to do was wrong.
00:21:21So this damage can lead...
00:21:23The crime is a damage.
00:21:25And how does prison end?
00:21:27And ten years in principle,
00:21:29because there is still no deceased.
00:21:32There is a confirmed deceased.
00:21:37The responsible is the one who signed
00:21:39or the one who made the order.
00:21:53But if it's not in the papers,
00:21:55is it a responsible or not?
00:22:01They made a notice of the work.
00:22:03I'm going to paint, I'm going to refactor.
00:22:05But they weren't going to touch anything.
00:22:07A director of the work.
00:22:09Who handles the whole work.
00:22:11And the owners are responsible?
00:22:13The owners are absolutely responsible.
00:22:15They are the ones who hire
00:22:17and are responsible for the thing.
00:22:19The owner is like a car.
00:22:21The final owner is the owner of the car.
00:22:23It is so that people understand us.
00:22:25Not only the one who drives.
00:22:27We are in communication.
00:22:29Sergio Pozzi.
00:22:31Good morning, Sergio, and thank you very much.
00:22:33Good morning.
00:22:37To begin to understand,
00:22:39the doctor gave us a screen.
00:22:41But from the responsibility
00:22:43of the architecture.
00:22:45To understand such a complex issue.
00:22:47We see a photo yesterday
00:22:49with a ten-story building
00:22:51and suddenly today it is collapsed.
00:22:53A 30-year-old building.
00:22:55What could have happened?
00:22:57According to the information,
00:22:59if they were working,
00:23:01grinding slabs and refactoring inside.
00:23:03And probably
00:23:05it was not well pointed.
00:23:07Those things can happen.
00:23:09The issue there is
00:23:11to know if there really was
00:23:13a responsible professional
00:23:15or
00:23:17or were
00:23:19the
00:23:21albaniles the ones who left
00:23:23for themselves.
00:23:25It is not proven that there is
00:23:27the signature of a professional
00:23:29in that remodeling.
00:23:31Here I want to open
00:23:33to my colleagues too,
00:23:35because I see that an albanile ends up in prison
00:23:37and I end up disbelieving in justice
00:23:39as we have all been
00:23:41disbelieving.
00:23:43There is one issue
00:23:45that I would like to raise.
00:23:47For those who know
00:23:49the area of the coast,
00:23:51the Pinamar,
00:23:53it is basically sand
00:23:55where it is being built.
00:23:57It is rare that,
00:23:59especially these buildings are very close to the coast,
00:24:01the type of
00:24:03floor they have
00:24:05is basically sand,
00:24:07so we are not talking
00:24:09about the roughness
00:24:11that we are used to in the area
00:24:13of Buenos Aires and Gran Buenos Aires.
00:24:15It is the question that my colleague asked.
00:24:17How should the structure
00:24:19be in a building
00:24:21that is more than
00:24:23100 meters from the sea?
00:24:25Of course, what is normally done
00:24:27and that is why it matters so much
00:24:29to weaken the lower slabs,
00:24:31what is normally done
00:24:33is something called a platea.
00:24:35It is as if it were a large slab
00:24:37that occupies the entire surface
00:24:39of the building
00:24:41and as an inverted slab
00:24:43to see if the viewers
00:24:45can get an idea.
00:24:47Imagine a roof slab
00:24:49that is on the ground
00:24:51and from which the columns come out
00:24:53where the entire building is held.
00:24:55If one weakens that,
00:24:57it is weakening
00:24:59in a very soft terrain,
00:25:01such as sand,
00:25:03it is weakening the building.
00:25:05What happens is that we would have to have
00:25:07much more information.
00:25:09Yes, of course.
00:25:11Sergio, you are very clear in explaining.
00:25:13We are not assuring.
00:25:15It is a hypothesis of what could have happened.
00:25:17The doctor explained to me
00:25:19the process of habilitation
00:25:21that there was not.
00:25:23These people were working
00:25:25by the decision of someone
00:25:27beyond what may have existed
00:25:29because we do not know.
00:25:33The expertise of a bricklayer.
00:25:35I imagine that there is a person
00:25:37who is controlling the work.
00:25:39There is a responsible
00:25:41who says what to do and what not to do.
00:25:43No, I guess.
00:25:45It should happen.
00:25:47And who would be responsible
00:25:49if there is no firm?
00:25:51Because everything is already illegal.
00:25:53No, no.
00:25:55In principle,
00:25:57it should be the owners
00:25:59for not having hired
00:26:01responsible professionals.
00:26:03For that, in the province of Buenos Aires
00:26:05there are professional schools.
00:26:07They did not have the habilitation, Sergio.
00:26:09That's where it all started wrong.
00:26:11They did not have the habilitation of the municipality.
00:26:13They were only able
00:26:15to do a face wash, as they say.
00:26:17Painting, change a little ...
00:26:19Not even the floors.
00:26:21Not the slabs, as Sergio says.
00:26:23Sergio, how are you? A pleasure.
00:26:25With the images we are seeing
00:26:27and your experience,
00:26:29we wonder how a 10-story structure
00:26:31comes down.
00:26:33You just talked about the complications
00:26:35that can be of the foundations of the building.
00:26:37But if not, in a work,
00:26:39touch a column
00:26:41or throw down a wall,
00:26:43can you do this?
00:26:45Can you get this result or is it a lot?
00:26:47In an concrete building,
00:26:49throwing down a wall,
00:26:51most likely not.
00:26:53Because in a concrete building,
00:26:55what supports are the columns.
00:26:57Now, if they break a column,
00:26:59weaken a column,
00:27:01especially in the lower parts,
00:27:03which is what is said to have happened,
00:27:05of course ...
00:27:07No, no, no.
00:27:09They have done the work,
00:27:11it is well pointed out.
00:27:13But keep in mind that
00:27:15on the ground that we are moving,
00:27:17which is sand.
00:27:19We are seeing the images at this time,
00:27:21how the hotel was collapsed
00:27:23and they are shocking.
00:27:25The photo in the middle is the sluice
00:27:27and everything that is the affected house,
00:27:29where there are four missing,
00:27:31and the collapse of the sides of your screen,
00:27:33you have to see in your house,
00:27:35are precisely those of the building,
00:27:37apart from the hotel, of 10 floors.
00:27:39I know it is quite complex
00:27:41that you give me a panorama from here,
00:27:43or an expertise,
00:27:45but from what you see,
00:27:47what can be said in the first instance?
00:27:49No, no, it's something below.
00:27:51Of course, it's something below.
00:27:53There is also an important issue
00:27:55on the coast,
00:27:57especially so close to the sea,
00:27:59with the concrete,
00:28:01which may be,
00:28:03due to some leaks,
00:28:05it is salt-free water.
00:28:09What is good about the area of Medano
00:28:11is that it filters the water
00:28:13and the salt does not come,
00:28:15but being a very close area to the sea,
00:28:17it may also be that there have been
00:28:19corroded irons
00:28:21due to exposure to the sluice,
00:28:23to the same humid environment
00:28:25of the sluice,
00:28:27which may also be a structure
00:28:29that is not well finished in its concrete,
00:28:31it may have been weakened.
00:28:33If we add that they are working
00:28:35and weakening even more
00:28:37with irons that are slightly deteriorated
00:28:39by the attack of the sluice,
00:28:43that result can happen.
00:28:45Adrián is on the coast,
00:28:47our colleague from the coast.
00:28:49I wanted to ask you a question, Sergio.
00:28:53I wanted to consult the architect
00:28:55because we have the information
00:28:57that they would be doing a work
00:28:59in the elevator sector,
00:29:01in the basement,
00:29:03and here we can observe
00:29:05that the terrain has a kind of
00:29:07difference in height,
00:29:09as it is noticeable that the constructions
00:29:11where the hotel is,
00:29:13the building next door,
00:29:15there is a height,
00:29:17I imagine that before
00:29:19it was a Medano sector,
00:29:21and we have this information
00:29:23that they would be doing works
00:29:25in the elevator sector
00:29:27in the second basement of the hotel.
00:29:29Following this assumption,
00:29:31normally the strongest areas
00:29:33of the building
00:29:35are the stairs and elevators.
00:29:37In fact, the recommendation
00:29:39in this earthquake
00:29:41is that people go to the stairs
00:29:43and elevators area
00:29:45because it is the most reinforced
00:29:47area of the building.
00:29:49If that weakens,
00:29:51it may happen.
00:29:53Until now we are assuming everything.
00:29:55It should be the strongest area
00:29:57and it should not
00:29:59weaken.
00:30:01Based on what you are telling me,
00:30:03I imagine,
00:30:05we are making a descent
00:30:07of the elevator in the basement
00:30:09and we throw one of the stairs
00:30:11to make a door for an exit
00:30:13to the side.
00:30:15I am assuming absolutely
00:30:17and it does not mean that this happens.
00:30:19Surely I will be weakening everything
00:30:21because it is just the lowest part
00:30:23of the building where it receives
00:30:25and I am weakening that.
00:30:27That is why it is so worrisome
00:30:29when you are working
00:30:31in the lower areas of the building.
00:30:33Now, the house next door
00:30:35is no longer useful, right?
00:30:37Sergio, the house next door,
00:30:39that complex of rental houses,
00:30:41is no longer useful.
00:30:43Notice that it was destroyed,
00:30:45it was split in half.
00:30:47There is a part that can be rescued.
00:30:49Can a part of that property be rescued?
00:30:51And from what is being seen,
00:30:53in that aerial image,
00:30:55what happens is that it should be seen
00:30:57as the project.
00:30:59Of course, that everything is not moved
00:31:01or how the floor will be.
00:31:03From what I see,
00:31:05it fell by cutting the property.
00:31:07The most likely thing is that
00:31:09everything should be demolished
00:31:11and everything should be done anew
00:31:13for an economic reason.
00:31:15Of course, rescuing it
00:31:17can become much more expensive.
00:31:19Repair it, I say.
00:31:21It is sentimental for those
00:31:23who live in the other building.
00:31:25Keeping that part standing
00:31:27and it should be seen as the project.
00:31:29But surely it is much more expensive
00:31:31than throwing everything away and doing it again.
00:31:33Surely.
00:31:35Let's remember two important facts
00:31:37at this time of the morning.
00:31:39There is a deceased person,
00:31:41a man, male, deceased.
00:31:43This is not confirmed by the municipality,
00:31:45but we have confirmed it
00:31:47by sources of the Ministry of Security.
00:31:49There is also a woman
00:31:51who is said to have been rescued alive.
00:31:53This has just happened,
00:31:55so surely Mauchi will see it live.
00:31:57There are the ambulances
00:31:59with the doors open.
00:32:01That camera we have down there
00:32:03is located in a certain place
00:32:05because there you will see the transfer.
00:32:07In that image where the GAD is,
00:32:09which is the Departmental Support Group,
00:32:11it is a kind of Lutoy Infantry.
00:32:13You have police from the province of Buenos Aires.
00:32:15You have more than 150 rescuers,
00:32:17civil defense and firefighters,
00:32:19Pamela, working live.
00:32:21This is the image of the morning
00:32:23because there you will begin to see
00:32:25the transfer of those
00:32:27who were trapped.
00:32:29In what conditions?
00:32:31Today the priority is to rescue
00:32:33and immediately,
00:32:35but it is also true
00:32:37that there is a chain of responsibilities,
00:32:39Sergio.
00:32:41In this case,
00:32:43there is no signature,
00:32:45and how, suddenly,
00:32:47to do something illegal, something trucho,
00:32:49in our country, once again,
00:32:51it takes the lives of people.
00:32:53Precisely, professional schools
00:32:55exist for that.
00:32:57To certify that whoever
00:32:59is responsible is a professional
00:33:01registered with all the laws
00:33:03and that he is responsible
00:33:05for that kind of thing.
00:33:07I want to add my colleagues,
00:33:09Juli and Carlos.
00:33:11In this case, they denied it.
00:33:13They did not give him the authorization.
00:33:15They denied it.
00:33:17They only authorized the paint plate.
00:33:19In fact, let me read you the first paragraph
00:33:21of the report of the Municipal Works Management.
00:33:23It says,
00:33:25last August 20, 2024,
00:33:27the municipality, through the management
00:33:29of private buildings and public space,
00:33:31detected and paralyzed works
00:33:33that were being carried out
00:33:35inside the property,
00:33:37without the proper municipal authorization.
00:33:39This was on August 20.
00:33:41A few hours ago,
00:33:43they were already clarifying
00:33:45that they knew about these works,
00:33:47but they had prohibited them.
00:33:49This is the owner's response.
00:33:51Let me finish this piece of information.
00:33:55On October 15,
00:33:57they intimated the hotel, Pamela.
00:33:59On October 15,
00:34:0115 days ago.
00:34:03This is exclusive information, Carlos.
00:34:05Last moment, Carlos.
00:34:07We have the confirmation that 12 days ago,
00:34:09the municipality resolved
00:34:11that on October 15,
00:34:13they knew about the need
00:34:15for a formal presentation
00:34:17of documents
00:34:19corresponding to the work
00:34:21of the elevator, which was prohibited.
00:34:23It was prohibited.
00:34:25So, they intimated the hotel
00:34:27on October 15,
00:34:2915 days passed, and we have this tragedy.
00:34:31How is, Sergio,
00:34:33the intimation in a work?
00:34:35How long has it been?
00:34:37It's an order.
00:34:39It's an order.
00:34:41Totally.
00:34:43But I would like, Pamela,
00:34:45if you allow me,
00:34:47because this is really serious,
00:34:49and it serves for the rest of the population.
00:34:51Normally, when internal modifications are made,
00:34:53it is very rare
00:34:55that all the papers are presented,
00:34:57that the responsible professionals
00:34:59are hired,
00:35:01and these things can happen.
00:35:03This is the most tragic thing I have seen in years.
00:35:05But these things can happen
00:35:07because the right people are not hired,
00:35:09the qualified people.
00:35:11And you see,
00:35:13it ends up
00:35:15being horribly expensive
00:35:17and expensive in life.
00:35:19It's crazy
00:35:21that this happens.
00:35:23And I ask the people to know
00:35:25that to make any modification
00:35:27a responsible professional is needed.
00:35:29Sergio, I'll cut you a minute
00:35:31because we are in communication
00:35:33with the mayor of Villa Gesell.
00:35:35Gustavo Barrera, we are live.
00:35:37We are having breakfast with Pamela
00:35:39trying to understand what is happening now.
00:35:41Gustavo, welcome, good morning.
00:35:43Thank you for attending us.
00:35:45Hello, hello.
00:35:47We are here
00:35:49in the place where this collapse occurred.
00:35:51This is Avenue 1
00:35:53between Buenos Aires Avenue and 103.
00:35:55And rescue operatives
00:35:57and rescuers
00:35:59are working hard
00:36:01together with the mayor
00:36:03and the minister of security
00:36:05of the province of Buenos Aires.
00:36:07There are the firefighters
00:36:09from Pinamar,
00:36:11from La Costa,
00:36:13from Marradiaga,
00:36:15from all over the region.
00:36:17And well,
00:36:19trying to rescue
00:36:21a person
00:36:23who apparently
00:36:25had already gone with her
00:36:27and they are doing
00:36:29all the rescue operations.
00:36:31Gustavo, we were just telling
00:36:33Pamela's team at breakfast
00:36:35that on October 15 you
00:36:37intimated the hotel,
00:36:39intimated it to present documentation
00:36:41and already in August they had been warned
00:36:43that they could not build an elevator.
00:36:45Yes,
00:36:47there is all the administrative
00:36:49experience,
00:36:51the prosecutor
00:36:53of Villa Gesell
00:36:55has already kidnapped all the administrative
00:36:57to make all the documentation
00:36:59and well,
00:37:01that is going to be a matter of investigation.
00:37:03And now the main thing
00:37:05is to look for a rescue
00:37:07and hopefully we can rescue
00:37:09all the people who were
00:37:11lodged both in the tower of the Parotet
00:37:13and in the Lindero building
00:37:15that, well,
00:37:17the tower of the Parotet collapsed
00:37:19on a Lindero building
00:37:21that also caused damage
00:37:23and there are also neighbors in the building.
00:37:25Gustavo, good morning.
00:37:27Pamela greets you. Thank you very much
00:37:29for this communication.
00:37:31Unfortunately, we had to give you the news
00:37:33of the first confirmed deceased.
00:37:35Look,
00:37:37that is still
00:37:39circulating
00:37:41that news.
00:37:43We still don't have
00:37:45the identification
00:37:47and we don't want to give data
00:37:49that may not yet be
00:37:51accurate,
00:37:53but yes, we are also working
00:37:55to rescue another person
00:37:57who is very close
00:37:59to being rescued
00:38:01and well, we have a volunteer plane
00:38:03also waiting to attend her.
00:38:05And we want to thank you.
00:38:07Yes, precisely your time is valuable.
00:38:09Being present in that place today
00:38:11is very important, but also
00:38:13tell that the municipality did not authorize
00:38:15the reforms that were being carried out
00:38:17and ask you if
00:38:1915 days ago
00:38:21you went to the hotel.
00:38:23What is the purpose of the intimacy?
00:38:25To stop the activities immediately
00:38:27or what?
00:38:29Yes, to paralyze the works.
00:38:31To paralyze them immediately?
00:38:33They are procedures
00:38:35carried out by the municipality
00:38:37and a file
00:38:39is being prepared.
00:38:41So here I continue
00:38:43with my question.
00:38:45It was not then that the work was paralyzed immediately
00:38:47because here is where
00:38:49it is not justified to do something
00:38:51illegally, but when one thinks
00:38:53of the bureaucracy of municipalities
00:38:55in general, they say,
00:38:57until that happens to me the season,
00:38:59I start,
00:39:01what I'm saying is wrong, but that's what happens
00:39:03and that's why this tragedy today in Villa Gesell.
00:39:05So the intimacy
00:39:07was to present papers, not
00:39:09to stop the work.
00:39:11No, no, the file
00:39:13was kidnapped by the police
00:39:15and we no longer have it in our power.
00:39:17Imagine that when I came
00:39:19at one and a half in the morning,
00:39:21what we were least interested in
00:39:23was how the file was.
00:39:25No, no, sure, it's a question
00:39:27to give information.
00:39:29But we have an area
00:39:31of inspection
00:39:33and rehabilitation that works
00:39:37and more than anything in this time
00:39:39where everyone comes to do
00:39:41repair work, maintenance.
00:39:43No, no, time trial for the season.
00:39:45But hey, yes.
00:39:47Let's see, I understand
00:39:49your rigour and respect for
00:39:51people, but they confirm me
00:39:53without giving data, they confirm me
00:39:55that the deceased person is a man,
00:39:57an adult, older.
00:39:59I know you don't want to give data
00:40:01because we don't have the identification yet, but that's confirmed then.
00:40:07I don't have
00:40:09any data to
00:40:11provide with that.
00:40:13No.
00:40:17No, no.
00:40:19Yes.
00:40:29Yes.
00:40:43Yes.
00:41:13Yes.
00:41:27Yes.
00:41:31Yes.
00:41:43Yes.
00:41:45Yes.
00:42:11Yes.
00:42:15Yes.
00:42:19Yes.
00:42:33Yes.
00:42:41Yes.
00:42:45Yes.
00:42:59Yes.
00:43:15Yes.
00:43:23Yes.
00:43:41Yes.
00:43:45Yes.
00:43:55Yes.
00:44:05Yes.
00:44:15Yes.
00:44:29Yes.
00:44:45Yes.
00:45:15Yes.
00:45:45Yes.
00:45:51Gustavo.
00:46:07Yes.
00:46:15Yes.
00:46:45Yes.
00:46:59Yes.
00:47:11Yes.
00:47:15Yes.
00:47:33Yes.
00:47:45Yes.
00:47:51Yes.
00:47:59Gustavo.
00:48:01Yes.
00:48:31Yes.
00:48:45Yes.
00:48:57Yes.
00:49:01Yes.
00:49:31Yes.
00:50:01Yes.
00:50:15Yes.
00:50:17Yes.
00:50:19Yes.
00:50:21Yes.
00:50:23Yes.
00:50:26No, no.
00:50:32Yes.
00:50:37Yes.
00:50:42Yes, yes.
00:50:45Yes.
00:50:47It's, well, what were they doing in the end?
00:50:49They're probably going to say that they weren't working on something structural.
00:50:52Yes, of course, but they were doing the arrangements for the elevator.
00:50:55Exactly, exactly.
00:50:56Adrian, I want to spend a little while with you.
00:50:59Tell us.
00:51:01Yes, yes, Pame.
00:51:02Right now, well, the whistle sounded and we asked for silence.
00:51:06Let's see.
00:51:06Yes, it's the moment of silence.
00:51:09They ask us all, that we are in the press sector,
00:51:12also to be silent.
00:51:14We are very far from the area where silence is needed,
00:51:18but obviously the whistle sounds and the firemen who are nearby raise their hands
00:51:24and ask for silence.
00:51:25Obviously, we all do it.
00:51:27To see if there is any...
00:51:28We saw the intendant who is there, who was in communication with us,
00:51:31going around the area.
00:51:33Obviously, closer to where the ambulance is.
00:51:36We are observing that it is ready.
00:51:38There is a cordon.
00:51:39Let's see, the rescue of this woman, as the intendant said,
00:51:43which is about to happen, is inside the house, the building.
00:51:50There is a cordon of rescuers who are working in the back of the building.
00:51:56Let's remember that there are two.
00:51:59One was the hotel and the other was the affected property.
00:52:06Sure, there it is.
00:52:07That was my question.
00:52:08The woman would leave the Lindero property to go to the hotel.
00:52:13Yes, she is going to go out there.
00:52:15The rescue apparatus is set up in that area.
00:52:17Sure.
00:52:18Adrián and Carlos, I don't know if there is information about who it would be,
00:52:21let's say, where the person who died would have been.
00:52:24The person they found, whether it is in the Lindero building
00:52:28or whether it is in the structure that came down completely.
00:52:31I think it is in the first collapse structure.
00:52:34In the hotel.
00:52:36Also, what they are telling me now, I think we are going to have,
00:52:39in a little while, just be patient, images of that rescue,
00:52:43of the rescue of the woman.
00:52:45There I am asking, can they come in?
00:52:47They told me that they are going to share with me in a few minutes,
00:52:50they are going to have images about that.
00:52:52I want to say that the expertise would be done by the Gendarmería
00:52:55or the Argentine Federal Police,
00:52:58the expertise that has to do with the structure.
00:53:02Obviously, then you are going to need technicians, architects, engineers
00:53:06to collaborate with that expertise.
00:53:08But obviously, what is happening right now is that,
00:53:11based on what the intendant said, with us...
00:53:14Pamela?
00:53:15Yes, Adrián, we are listening to you.
00:53:16Pamela?
00:53:17Yes.
00:53:18They are taking out, they are moving now,
00:53:20you can see, they are moving a person.
00:53:23As we told you, everything was ready for it to happen.
00:53:28They are taking out a person, we imagine that it will be this woman
00:53:32that the intendant here from Villa Gesell commented.
00:53:36The whole group came out, as we anticipate,
00:53:38of the rescue for the house,
00:53:41Lindera, who also suffered important damage.
00:53:45They are taking out at least one person.
00:53:48Approximately there are about 30 rescuers,
00:53:51all with their corresponding safety helmets and vests.
00:53:57They are taking out a person, they are entering the ambulance.
00:54:02There is a police cordon.
00:54:05We are about 50 meters away.
00:54:08We are with the images of our colleague Fabián Discipio,
00:54:11correctly located to be able to take these images,
00:54:14without, of course, respecting the distance,
00:54:16which is also important.
00:54:18We are working in a sector where we can respect families
00:54:22and, of course, the victims as well.
00:54:24Applause, applause from all firefighters.
00:54:28The emotional moment that we are living.
00:54:32A closed applause from all rescuers and firefighters.
00:54:36They finished applauding and automatically a group returns.
00:54:41Another group is going to make a change, you see?
00:54:44Here we are, the change.
00:54:46They make a change, those who were working until recently,
00:54:49they go to rest, to hydrate.
00:54:51And the lieutenant is coming.
00:54:53I imagine he is going to give some kind of statements,
00:54:57as well as the police of the province of Buenos Aires.
00:55:02I imagine he is coming here.
00:55:04Emotional and hopeful.
00:55:06Emotional and hopeful.
00:55:09Are you with him?
00:55:12We are live.
00:55:14We are here, we are here.
00:55:19And well, the thermographic drone that we were talking about goes down there.
00:55:23Yes.
00:55:24Here, here.
00:55:26We are very good here.
00:55:28We are live.
00:55:30We are here.
00:55:31We are ready, accommodate us.
00:55:33So that we can talk.
00:55:35Well, a good news that can be given
00:55:37is that this woman has already been rescued
00:55:40and has already been removed in the ambulance.
00:55:42And it is good news that generates hope, in some way,
00:55:45for a gray day for Villa Fesel.
00:55:52An ambulance has just left with the first rescue.
00:55:55Lieutenant.
00:55:56The first rescue?
00:55:58It is the first rescue.
00:55:59A person with life.
00:56:00Yes, yes, yes.
00:56:01I don't have, I don't know if they have been able to corroborate their identity, but ...
00:56:05Was she lucid, lieutenant? Was she beaten, injured?
00:56:08Yes, she was quite beaten, obviously,
00:56:10and she was lucid communicating with the rescue team.
00:56:13It is the person who was communicating with that rescue team?
00:56:15Exactly.
00:56:16How many more people are you looking for right now?
00:56:18All those who are in the two buildings.
00:56:20It's a pleasure, lieutenant.
00:56:21We don't have precise information, but we calculate that around 10.
00:56:24What area was that person in, lieutenant?
00:56:27What area was she in, in the hotel or next door?
00:56:29She was in the apartments next door.
00:56:31It is necessary to corroborate if this corresponds to the fact that she was living in the hotel
00:56:36or in the Olindero building.
00:56:37A woman of what age?
00:56:39An older woman.
00:56:40An older person.
00:56:42Could it be the residents of Balcarce who came to spend the weekend?
00:56:45It could be, I don't know, I don't have it corroborated.
00:56:47There is another person, where are you taking them?
00:56:49You said you had an ambulance.
00:56:51We are taking them to an ambulance, and the hospital, the health personnel,
00:56:56will evaluate if it is necessary.
00:56:58There is, on the part of the governor of the province,
00:57:00available a health flight with a helicopter and a plane.
00:57:04Is she the second person to be transferred to the hospital?
00:57:06She is the first.
00:57:07Neighbors or people have come out by their own means of the collapse
00:57:12and they have told us a little bit of everything.
00:57:14Is there any confirmation of a person?
00:57:17I don't know if it is confirmed yet.
00:57:21Are you talking about the 89-year-old man?
00:57:24I don't know.
00:57:27How many people are working in the operation?
00:57:30Firefighters from all over the region are working,
00:57:33including the province of Buenos Aires.
00:57:36Well, you saw, drones, rescuers, municipal personnel.
00:57:43There is an important accompaniment.
00:57:45And I thank the presence of the minister and the support of the governor.
00:57:49Minister, how long have you been working in this field?
00:57:52Well, we have been coordinating since one in the morning, approximately,
00:57:57when the police personnel and the firefighters arrived.
00:58:00We have been working.
00:58:02Personally, I arrived from Buenos Aires around 3.30, 4 in the morning.
00:58:07There were already 80 firefighters working that hour.
00:58:10Today we must be more than 300 now.
00:58:13The prosecutor called the expert team of the Federal Police,
00:58:16which was formed after the AMIA attack,
00:58:18who are going to be key to building the expertise of all these things.
00:58:21Minister, confirm that there are four prisoners,
00:58:23who are the people who were in the hotel?
00:58:25The prosecutor ordered the arrest of four people.
00:58:28Currently, two of them were in the hotel.
00:58:30Two others approached when they found out about this.
00:58:33Presumably, they would be people who would be linked to the works
00:58:36that were being done in the building.
00:58:38And we are waiting for the testimonial to advance.
00:58:42Minister, what is the search protocol?
00:58:44Well, the search protocol is to work with the dogs of search and rescue.
00:58:49There are dogs that look for people who are dead.
00:58:54We work with a probe that has a camera
00:58:57that allows us to enter with a hose that has a camera at the tip.
00:59:01It allows us to get there.
00:59:03We were in visual contact with the person,
00:59:05with the 80-year-old lady we just rescued.
00:59:08Next to her was an older person, an adult,
00:59:11a 89-year-old male who is unfortunately dead.
00:59:16And well, we don't know...
00:59:19No, no, we are looking for that place,
00:59:22which is the building next to it, the Lindero,
00:59:24and we are looking for it on the other side,
00:59:26at another point of the building that collapsed,
00:59:28in a place where they marked the dogs that there would be victims.
00:59:31There we didn't have...
00:59:33Of course, that's why we have them trained.
00:59:36They are...
00:59:37In that place we didn't have any sign of life.
00:59:40In the other place, yes,
00:59:41since dawn we were in contact with this person who spoke
00:59:44and with whom we maintained contact.
00:59:46One person because there are 15 in total.
00:59:49We are talking about two people,
00:59:50every morning we talk about marriage, nothing more.
00:59:52We don't know how many people there are,
00:59:54because apparently that building, that hotel,
00:59:56wasn't working as a hotel,
00:59:58it was in ruins.
01:00:00We don't know for sure.
01:00:02We have heard from neighbors
01:00:04that some tell us one thing, others tell us another.
01:00:06The people who were there,
01:00:08the people who were there tell us other things.
01:00:10So, we believe that between 9 and 11 more people
01:00:13may have been in that place.
01:00:15Minister, when does the operation end?
01:00:17When we remove all the rubble.
01:00:19According to international experience,
01:00:22there are people who have survived
01:00:24more than a week among the rubble.
01:00:26So, the work protocol indicates
01:00:29to work this way.
01:00:30We made a big ring to be able to have silence.
01:00:33We have made a smaller ring
01:00:36where no one enters,
01:00:37only the people who are working have to enter.
01:00:40We are going to do the removal by hand
01:00:42and we will get a crane
01:00:44when the engineers arrive
01:00:46from the Federal Police together with our firefighters
01:00:48and they will indicate the way
01:00:50to remove the slab plates
01:00:52which are very heavy.
01:00:53And all this implies
01:00:55knowing that possibly there are people
01:00:57who have survived under 10 floors of rubble.
01:00:59Minister, what do you think about the cause of the collapse?
01:01:02Do you know anything about it?
01:01:04No, we don't know.
01:01:05There is a prosecutor
01:01:06who is carrying out the investigation.
01:01:08I think we have to be clear,
01:01:09let the prosecutor work.
01:01:11There are many causes
01:01:13that may be involved.
01:01:15It makes no sense to speculate.
01:01:17We are collaborating with that.
01:01:19But today, fundamentally,
01:01:20we have to find the victims
01:01:22and disarm all these rubble
01:01:24because the building next to it
01:01:26is in danger of collapsing.
01:01:28So we have to take care of the firefighters.
01:01:30We have to speed up what is being removed
01:01:32and we have to find more people.
01:01:38We are working,
01:01:39until now,
01:01:40the entire emergency system
01:01:42in the province of Buenos Aires.
01:01:43This implies the federation of firefighters,
01:01:46which are voluntary firefighters.
01:01:47It is a mixed system.
01:01:48The police firefighters of the province,
01:01:49the rescue group of the police
01:01:51of the province of Buenos Aires
01:01:52is working on the medical emergency system
01:01:54of the province with the emergentologist.
01:01:56We have the sanitary plane,
01:01:57the sanitary helicopter.
01:02:00It can be moved.
01:02:01First, the doctors have to stabilize it.
01:02:03Different studies have to be carried out
01:02:05to see if it is a risk, the air transport.
01:02:07So let the doctors work now.
01:02:10Surely there will be the hospitals
01:02:12of the Barrio de Plata situation
01:02:14that will go there.
01:02:15We will see how it evolves.
01:02:17We have to let the doctors do their job.
01:02:19All the logistics for the transfer
01:02:21is available here.
01:02:27Yes, the audio is heard better.
01:02:28But what the Minister of Security is saying
01:02:30is so clear,
01:02:31how it is worked as a team,
01:02:33the logistics and coordination.
01:02:35How are we going?
01:02:36Raising the collapse
01:02:37and at the same time
01:02:38it is being documented
01:02:39what happens with the rubble.
01:02:40Because that is what he is going to explain later
01:02:42why what happened happened.
01:02:44Good, good.
01:02:46They are not leaving loose ends, Carlos.
01:02:49No.
01:02:52We are going to show now, Pamela,
01:02:54in seconds only,
01:02:56the image of the rescue
01:02:57from the same place of the rescue
01:02:59to the ambulance.
01:03:01This woman
01:03:02of 80 years,
01:03:03we told you early,
01:03:04a deceased of 81
01:03:06and a woman of 80 years
01:03:08rescued alive.
01:03:09In the image you had the Minister
01:03:11and the Intendant.
01:03:13But this is with audio
01:03:14and in real time.
01:03:15That's how the rescue was minutes ago.
01:03:17Look.
01:03:35Next to the firefighters,
01:03:36next to the police,
01:03:37raising their hands
01:03:38so that, well,
01:03:39the image is not leaked,
01:03:40but we are showing it.
01:03:42This is the woman
01:03:43of 80 years
01:03:44rescued
01:03:45by the firefighters.
01:03:46This is the place
01:03:47where it was,
01:03:48obviously,
01:03:49that shield
01:03:50that the police made
01:03:51for the firefighters,
01:03:52but that the image
01:03:53shows the number
01:03:54of people
01:03:55who are working
01:03:56in the rescue
01:03:57of at least
01:03:5810 missing people.
01:03:59The news,
01:04:00we extended it,
01:04:01we told it very early.
01:04:02There is a man
01:04:03of 81 years
01:04:04deceased.
01:04:05He just confirmed it
01:04:06now, publicly.
01:04:07This is official now.
01:04:08The Minister of Security
01:04:09of the province of Buenos Aires,
01:04:10Javier Alonso,
01:04:11just confirmed it
01:04:12and, in addition,
01:04:13the rescue
01:04:14with the life
01:04:15of the first person
01:04:16after working
01:04:17almost 10 hours
01:04:18alive.
01:04:1980 years,
01:04:20but they tell me
01:04:21rescued in critical condition.
01:04:22The woman
01:04:23transferred to the hospital
01:04:24of the area.
01:04:25Good.
01:04:26Marcelo Severio is with us.
01:04:27Thank you for being, Marcelo.
01:04:28How should the containment
01:04:29of the families
01:04:30of the victims
01:04:31be done?
01:04:32The fear of many people
01:04:33who say,
01:04:34I don't know if he is still,
01:04:35if he is still
01:04:36under the rubble,
01:04:37if they are going
01:04:38to rescue him.
01:04:39How is that containment done?
01:04:40This is an absolutely
01:04:41critical situation
01:04:42for the families.
01:04:43Sure.
01:04:44The families live
01:04:45in a state of uncertainty.
01:04:46Uncertainty generates
01:04:47a lot of anguish
01:04:48and anxiety.
01:04:49Basically,
01:04:50in the face of anguish
01:04:51and anxiety,
01:04:52they have to stay
01:04:53together,
01:04:54together
01:04:55in affection,
01:04:56in containment
01:04:57and avoid,
01:04:58basically,
01:04:59the opinionators.
01:05:00The opinionators
01:05:01are in the order
01:05:02of the day.
01:05:03The opinionators
01:05:04decide
01:05:05whether
01:05:06they are going
01:05:07to rescue him
01:05:08or not.
01:05:09So,
01:05:10far from
01:05:11generating
01:05:12tranquility,
01:05:13what they produce
01:05:14is an effect
01:05:15precisely
01:05:16of increasing
01:05:17uncertainty
01:05:18because
01:05:19opinions vary.
01:05:20If it doesn't add up,
01:05:21don't do anything.
01:05:22Absolutely.
01:05:23If it adds up,
01:05:24what the superintendent
01:05:25did,
01:05:26that in a critical moment
01:05:27where he is
01:05:28working,
01:05:29give a note,
01:05:30make it
01:05:31in an extensive way
01:05:32and respond
01:05:33everything
01:05:34that is within
01:05:35his reach,
01:05:36the superintendent,
01:05:37he must,
01:05:38fundamentally,
01:05:39adhere to
01:05:40one information,
01:05:41the clearest
01:05:42information,
01:05:43in this case,
01:05:44the superintendent's
01:05:45information,
01:05:46which is the one
01:05:47that can be
01:05:48giving the step-by-step.
01:05:49And since we are
01:05:50talking about
01:05:51the step-by-step,
01:05:52the families
01:05:53absolutely
01:05:54have to
01:05:55enter that
01:05:56step-by-step
01:05:57process,
01:05:58day-by-day,
01:05:59hour-by-hour
01:06:00because
01:06:01if they don't
01:06:02enter...
01:06:03In general,
01:06:04human beings,
01:06:05what we do
01:06:06and what we are
01:06:07thinking in the future,
01:06:08this is a moment
01:06:09to exercise
01:06:10the here
01:06:11and now
01:06:12and in the step-by-step.
01:06:13Valeria,
01:06:14we have the confirmation
01:06:15of the deceased.
01:06:16Yes,
01:06:17and I insist
01:06:18with something
01:06:19that I am not
01:06:20sympathetic,
01:06:21but that will happen.
01:06:22Notice that
01:06:23the two people
01:06:24that have been
01:06:25rescued,
01:06:26one without life,
01:06:27belong to the
01:06:28housing complex
01:06:29on the side.
01:06:30There are no
01:06:31reports of someone
01:06:32or some
01:06:33signal
01:06:34in the hotel.
01:06:35And here
01:06:36there is something
01:06:37important.
01:06:38I did the test
01:06:39of wanting to
01:06:40hire him
01:06:41and he can be
01:06:42hired.
01:06:43What thing?
01:06:44Rooms in the hotel.
01:06:45At this moment?
01:06:46At this moment?
01:06:47Do you know what?
01:06:48Of course not.
01:06:49This is in the minute,
01:06:50right?
01:06:51Sure,
01:06:52but hire him
01:06:53for when?
01:06:54He was
01:06:55enabled.
01:06:56Tomorrow and the day before.
01:06:57Tomorrow and the day before.
01:06:58You didn't put January,
01:06:59February.
01:07:00No,
01:07:01no,
01:07:02no,
01:07:03no.
01:07:04No,
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