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00:00Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim. Assalamualaikum. I am Waseem Badami.
00:03Today is a very special day in the lives of Pakistanis.
00:07The session that ended a few hours ago was very short in terms of duration.
00:16But it has increased a lot in terms of the number of people who have joined us.
00:24The session that ended a few hours ago was very short in terms of the number of people who have joined us.
00:33But it has increased a lot in terms of the number of judges of the biggest court in Pakistan.
00:39After the 26th amendment, when the government was preparing for the 27th amendment,
00:47the government gave a surprise because no one was expecting this to happen overnight.
01:00After the session, changes were made in the army act.
01:10A two-third majority was required.
01:14This is a different matter.
01:15This is a different matter.
01:21If there are 17 judges in the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
01:27the number of judges will be increased.
01:30The number of judges of the Supreme Court of Pakistan can be up to 34.
01:37The number of judges of the Islamabad High Court has also been increased.
01:41The practice and procedure committee, which is the case under discussion in the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
01:47determines the names of the judges to be heard by the judges.
01:52This has also been changed.
01:55Initially, the Chief Justice used to decide.
01:58But after that, the practice and procedure committee decided that the Chief Justice and the Supreme Court of Pakistan will be the judges.
02:03After that, there will be two senior judges.
02:05Then, there will be a change in the Supreme Court,
02:07that is, there will be chief justice,
02:09then there will be senior judge,
02:11and the third judge will be the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
02:14The chief justice will have the freedom to choose any judge.
02:16Today there is another change.
02:17There will be chief justice,
02:18then there will be senior judge,
02:20and the head of the very same bench that is about to be formed,
02:23that will be the third judge of this committee.
02:25Another change is that the head of the army of Pakistan,
02:29according to the law of Pakistan,
02:31he is employed for three years.
03:03We will continue our services for the next five years, which means that the leaders of Pakistan, including other Services Chiefs, Mr. Asif Munir, will not be the Army Chief of Pakistan until November 2025, but until November 2027.
03:21All these things have happened today. We will also try to understand the political aspect of this program. How does Pakistan look at justice? We have seen the history of the Army Chief for a long time.
03:33Yesterday, the PTI was sitting on the government's agenda. The opposition was sitting on it. The PTI wanted to expand the Army Chief for a while. They were not good people, but when they saw that work was being done, they also voted for it.
03:49What does the PTI do? The tables have turned now. Does the PTI oppose it? No, it doesn't. We will talk to the experts and try to understand that the government is being blamed for its own interests.
04:03But is there a legal reason for the Supreme Court of Pakistan to throw this process out?
04:10And what is the blame on the government? The blame is that the number of judges is increasing in the Supreme Court so that the judges of their own will come, so that the judges of their own will come in the overall number of judges in the Supreme Court.
04:26How can we bring the judges of our own will? This is what the Judicial Commission has to do. We don't have to do it. But the blame is that the Supreme Court of Pakistan wants to do it in its favor.
04:36They want to increase the number of judges of Islamabad High Court so that the judges of Islamabad High Court can be neutralized.
04:46The change in the practice and procedure committee is being made so that the third judge, Muneeb Akhtar, who was brought in by Yaya Afridi, can be sidelined.
04:54This is the blame on the government.
05:00Let's try to understand everything. Let's talk to the experts first.
05:05We have with us the senior lawyer, Mr. Hamid Khan.
05:15We have with us the strong legal mind, Mr. Ashtar Ausaf.
05:22We have with us the former Chief Justice of Sindh High Court, Mr. Shaykh Usmani.
05:27Let's talk to these people first.
05:29After that, we will listen to Mr. Ali Muhammad Khan and others.
05:34Let's start. Mr. Ashtar Ausaf is with us.
05:37Ashtar Ausaf, Assalamu Alaikum.
05:39Walaikum Assalam.
05:42Sir, thank you very much for your time.
05:44Mr. Ashtar Ausaf, first of all, please explain this.
05:46All the legislation that has been made, whether the pass of democratic votes has been kept or not,
05:51and how the whole thing happened in Ujlat,
05:54keeping this aside for a moment,
05:56can you tell us whether this is a challenge or whether all the requirements of the law have been met?
06:04Or is there anything that can be said about this?
06:06No, sir, this could not have been done by a simple majority.
06:09In fact, this is contrary to the constitutional amendment.
06:11That is, it can only be done by two-thirds.
06:13All the constitutional requirements have been met.
06:15Let's leave the democracy aside.
06:17Or are the constitutional requirements also challengeable in today's proceedings in Pakistan?
06:22First, let's talk about the constitutional requirements.
06:26What are the constitutional requirements?
06:28The constitutional requirement is that the elected representatives should express their opinions.
06:37And how do they do it?
06:39Through vote.
06:41And here you will see that the vote is not only of a particular Jamaat.
06:48This vote is given by many Jamaats who are not even a part of the government.
06:57So this is the constitutional requirement of democracy.
06:59Sir, a good healthy debate is also a democratic debate based on spirit.
07:02What?
07:05I am saying that a good healthy debate is also a democratic debate based on spirit.
07:12Here, many parliamentarians may not even know what they voted for.
07:15No, no, let me tell you.
07:18When the 18th amendment was adopted, was the debate in the parliament?
07:24No.
07:26These debates are held in committees.
07:30These debates are held in small caucuses.
07:34These debates are held in small caucuses.
07:36These debates are held in small caucuses.
07:38Look, in debates, at times, you cannot call those people who are not a part of the parliament.
07:44And you listen to them.
07:46You listen to their talks.
07:48You listen to their arguments.
07:50You do all this.
07:52And you express all this through your vote.
07:57Sir, this did not happen in the 18th amendment.
07:59There was a committee there.
08:01It used to review the constitution of Pakistan.
08:03Then there used to be talks.
08:04Then there was civil society.
08:05Here, all this did not happen in that way.
08:07No, no, that is a lot.
08:09You will see how big the debate is.
08:11It is said that there is an 18th amendment.
08:13There are countless debates in it.
08:15And if it was not done,
08:18then your constitution would not have been in the same condition as it was in 1973.
08:27Look, there are many amendments.
08:29You have seen that Ziazad and Musharraf made amendments.
08:32And there were other amendments as well.
08:34In my opinion, those amendments are not democratic.
08:39But let's go on.
08:41I think there can be a lot of debate on this.
08:45Let's move on.
08:47Do you think all the amendments have been completed?
08:49Or is there a challenge?
08:51The real question is,
08:53whether they meet the standards of the amendments or not.
08:56Now, what does the amendment say?
08:58You will see many parts of the amendment.
09:01One part is about fundamental rights.
09:04One part is about judiciary.
09:10One part is about principles of policy.
09:12And the summary of all three
09:14tells you
09:16how you
09:18and especially
09:20in this amendment
09:22where it is going.
09:25In my opinion,
09:28and which has also been recognized by the Supreme Court,
09:30I see that
09:32there are many stumbling blocks.
09:35That is,
09:37you come to a stone's throw
09:40which makes your path difficult.
09:45If you put those stones in such a way
09:50that they become stepping stones,
09:53then that is the beauty of the constitution, law and democracy.
09:59And this is what works as a criterion.
10:04And what has been done in this?
10:07For example,
10:08when you increase the number of judges,
10:11what is wrong with that?
10:13It is written in the constitution
10:15that the parliament will determine the number of judges by its own law.
10:20So it was done.
10:22Secondly,
10:23the matter of procedure and practice
10:25is written in the constitution.
10:27I am cutting you off.
10:29Is there a legal challenge on the basis of intention
10:32that Mr. Waseem Badami or Mr. Ashtar Aussagh
10:35should go to the Supreme Court
10:37and say that this is on by book,
10:39but the intention is not right.
10:41For example,
10:42the number of judges has been increased
10:44so that the cases are neutralized.
10:46There is a situation in Islamabad High Court
10:48where six judges have written letters.
10:50That is why the number has been increased
10:52so that those six judges are sidelined.
10:54There is a problem with Muneeb Akhtar,
10:56so the practice and procedure has been changed.
10:58It is very difficult to prove
11:00how to prove the intention.
11:02First of all,
11:04the intention
11:06goes to
11:08what you call
11:10the mental state.
11:12And that
11:14mental state
11:16has no gauge.
11:18But
11:20I can tell you this much
11:22that when the parliament
11:24passes a law,
11:26and
11:28those people are not
11:30only those people
11:32who are part of the government,
11:34then
11:36you cannot attribute
11:38any intention to them.
11:40Why? Because this is
11:42a matter of near consensus.
11:44Tell me the name of one
11:46of the detractors
11:48who has talked about
11:50mutual legislation
11:52and said that I do not agree with this
11:54and I propose this.
11:56So in a nutshell,
11:58in your opinion,
12:00this whole process
12:02is not challengeable
12:04in any court of Pakistan?
12:06In my opinion,
12:08a lot of things are challenged,
12:10but this challenge cannot be successful.
12:12This is the real thing.
12:14In the end,
12:16it was also amended in the Army Act,
12:18so it means that the soldiers of Pakistan
12:20who were retiring in 2025,
12:22now Mr. Asif Muneer
12:24has become the head of the army of Pakistan
12:26Army Act,
12:28Air Force Act,
12:30Navy Act,
12:32all these laws,
12:34in them,
12:36you can amend
12:38as you like.
12:40You can do it.
12:42And
12:44this amendment,
12:46in it,
12:48you will see that
12:50many other amendments
12:52can be made.
12:54No one
12:56should have any doubt
12:58that this
13:00is a person
13:02specific amendment.
13:04If you allow me,
13:06in this discussion,
13:08I would like to include
13:10Senior Lawyer, Mr. Hamid Khan.
13:12Of course, Senior Attorney,
13:14Senior Lawyer,
13:16Huzoor-Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Hamid.
13:18Thank you for your time.
13:20Of course, you will have an opinion
13:22that this is unlawful.
13:24But, Sir, first tell me,
13:26I was asking Mr. Ashtar,
13:28do you think there is a legal basis
13:30on which
13:32this can be challenged
13:34in the Supreme Court?
13:36First of all,
13:38the 26th amendment
13:40is against the
13:42fundamental principles of the law.
13:44So that can be challenged
13:46and I think it should be set aside.
13:48Because
13:50we have to change
13:52the whole structure of the law.
13:54And in the law,
13:56especially the chapter
13:58or part of the
14:00Adhliya,
14:02we have to change it and
14:04take away the freedom of Adhliya.
14:06What is happening today,
14:08this is a continuation of that.
14:10The increase in the number
14:12of judges,
14:14in the whole of India,
14:16there are 34 Supreme Court judges
14:18and the number of judges
14:20in the Supreme Court
14:22is 6 times more than the
14:24Supreme Court.
14:26So, here too,
14:28so many judges are being made
14:30just because
14:32they are fed up
14:34with the existing judges
14:36and they want us to
14:38appoint judges of our choice
14:40in this.
14:42We have tried to change
14:44the method of induction
14:46constitutionally
14:48because
14:50this is against the freedom of Adhliya
14:52which is the fundamental feature.
14:54This is against the separation of powers.
14:56Sir, how can the government
14:58instead of making 34 judges
15:00attack the freedom of Adhliya?
15:02I understand your point
15:04where are you coming from.
15:06This is Islamabad.
15:08They have increased the number of judges
15:10to counter the 6 judges of the Supreme Court.
15:12But how can they prove that
15:14this is against the freedom of Adhliya?
15:16How can they prove this?
15:18There are many things
15:20that can be proved.
15:22For example,
15:24this happened in America
15:26when Roosevelt
15:28was President.
15:30At that time,
15:32he was unhappy with the Supreme Court
15:34that the decisions were
15:36against his will.
15:38He tried to change the constitution.
15:40There, the constitution
15:42is still in force.
15:44He could not do it.
15:46He tried to increase the number of judges
15:48to attack the freedom of Adhliya.
15:50The whole movement was going on in that country.
15:52And all of them
15:54said that this is not possible.
15:56Ultimately, they had to take it back.
15:58It could not be done.
16:00What I mean to say is
16:02that the evil in the nation
16:04is not allowed to be made fun of.
16:06Will you challenge this
16:08on your political platform,
16:10on the platform of Vukala?
16:12I am asking about today's development.
16:14Will you challenge this?
16:16Of course, we will.
16:18We have challenged the 26th amendment.
16:20We will do this as well.
16:22There are two main reasons
16:24behind this.
16:26I will say three.
16:28One is
16:30to reduce
16:32the freedom of Adhliya.
16:34The second reason
16:36is the separation of powers.
16:38Two separate bodies
16:40and two separate organs
16:42of state
16:44have to interfere
16:46in each other's affairs.
16:48For example,
16:50when this was presented
16:52in a Senate committee,
16:54I said that
16:56you want to do 17 to 25.
16:58First, ask the Chief Justice
17:00of the Supreme Court
17:02what he says,
17:04whether he needs it or not.
17:06If you are interfering
17:08in the affairs
17:10of the organs of state,
17:12it is necessary
17:14to consult them.
17:16You say that you will
17:18live separately
17:20and cooperate with each other.
17:22You are making such a big decision
17:24without their cooperation.
17:26Similarly,
17:28that is wrong.
17:30Similarly,
17:32the Chiefs of the Army
17:34have no reason
17:36to increase
17:38their terms of service.
17:40There is no reason.
17:42Except that they see
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28:46In particular, does Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab want to oppose this change or support it?
28:56Thank you very much, Haseeb bhai.
28:58Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
28:59Allahumma salli ala Muhammadin wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallim.
29:03First of all, I would like to say that no matter how good the work is,
29:08no matter what the work is, no matter what the legislation is,
29:10but there is a way to do it.
29:13Whatever legislation you want to do, whether you want to amend the Army Act,
29:17increase the number of judges, whatever you want to do,
29:21you can table it in the Parliament, discuss it in the Qaema Committee for Law,
29:27have a discussion on the floor of the Parliament.
29:30If you agree with it, then we will agree with it.
29:34But the way the government brought all these bills today
29:40and the way it was passed,
29:44it seems that they had no desire to debate it,
29:50nor could they afford it.
29:53In your opinion, was this work done in the wrong way or was it wrong?
29:59Look, I am saying that in principle,
30:02Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab is not in the hands of extremists.
30:06If you are the service chief of any office,
30:09if you are in any other office,
30:11if you are in the federal government,
30:13if you are in any constitutional office,
30:15and you want to extend it,
30:17then first tell us what are the reasons for which you want to extend it.
30:22In principle, Tariq-e-Insaab is not in the hands of extremists.
30:25But if you have done anything for a long time,
30:30Bajwa sahib has already extended the PTI.
30:32This is a new concept of the PTI.
30:35The extension has already been done,
30:38and you know the opinion of Imran Khan sahib about it.
30:43And I don't think that after Bajwa sahib's extension,
30:47in today's history, any Jamaat,
30:50be it the Muslim League Noon or People's Party,
30:52which was in opposition at that time,
30:54or Maulana sahib's Jamaat,
30:56all agree that they should not have extended it.
30:59But I am telling you,
31:01post 2019-20, when all this happened,
31:05and today I am telling you about 2024,
31:07that in principle, Tariq-e-Insaab,
31:09be it a service chief,
31:11be it the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
31:13or any other constitutional office,
31:15as of practice, we are not in favour of extension.
31:18But if you want to do something like this,
31:21then you should bring it to the assembly,
31:23you should discuss it.
31:25If you are going to do something good,
31:27then what is the need for so much
31:29brightness, so much speed,
31:31and so much transparency?
31:33If you want to do something, then you should discuss it.
31:35Secondly, under the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
31:39who is now full-fledgedly
31:41appointing a judge,
31:43India is a country
31:45four times more populated than us,
31:47and I think
31:49the number of judges is less than 25.
31:52What was the sudden need
31:54for you to
31:58appoint Mr. Yaya Afridi?
32:01We did not appoint him.
32:03We welcomed him,
32:05we gave him respect,
32:07which is the demand of that office.
32:09But what was the sudden need
32:11for you to go to that college
32:13with 33 judges?
32:15You have to make a cricket team,
32:17what is the purpose?
32:19What is the purpose?
32:21What is the logic behind it?
32:23If the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
32:25was going to appoint a judge,
32:27then what was the reason for it?
32:29And what was the reason
32:31for Mr. Bajwa's extension?
32:33What was the reason
32:35for Mr. Bajwa's extension?
32:39Look, Mr. Khan has given
32:41a very clear point
32:43that if he goes
32:45at that time,
32:47or if something like that happens,
32:49then maybe Mr. Khan should not take that step.
32:51He has said that
32:53maybe he should not have taken it.
32:55But I am saying that
32:57if you had to take
32:59such a step,
33:01did you discuss it
33:03with the Parliament?
33:05Did you discuss it
33:07with the Parliamentary leaders?
33:09Did you engage the opposition
33:11that you are going to take this step
33:13for the benefit of the country?
33:15You should tell us
33:17what is the benefit of the country.
33:19Mr. Bajwa is here today,
33:21he will not be here tomorrow.
33:23But the institution is in its place.
33:25Similarly, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
33:27is here today,
33:29or Mr. Faridi is here today,
33:31or Mr. Faizi is not here today.
33:33But we are talking about the institution
33:35that if you want to extend
33:37the term of employment,
33:39then you have to tenure it.
33:41We don't even know
33:43what you actually want to do.
33:45So if you want to take such a step,
33:47what will be the effect
33:49on the institution?
33:51What will be the effect
33:53on the promotions?
33:55We are all Pakistanis,
33:57we all love our country.
33:59It's not like you are the only Pakistani
34:01and you love your country.
34:03We are more than half
34:05of Pakistan's representatives
34:07in the 45th form.
34:09But even in the current situation,
34:1180-90 seats belong to a community
34:13of crores of Pakistanis.
34:15You should engage with
34:17Barrister Gauhar,
34:19Opposition Leader Umayyad
34:21for at least 5 minutes before
34:23making a law.
34:25So what happened in Ehwan today,
34:27does PTI want to come
34:29to the ground against it?
34:31We protested in the Parliament today,
34:33although there were some scenes
34:35where I don't agree as a
34:37Parliamentarian.
34:39There should be a protest,
34:41but the physical matter
34:43should not be there.
34:45It's not good for the people.
34:47It's not good for the people.
34:49You are right,
34:51we were protesting,
34:53then there was a strange
34:55protest from the government.
34:57I don't say that we are right,
34:59but what happened was wrong.
35:01We have a right to protest,
35:03we should have let them protest.
35:05You didn't listen to us,
35:07you didn't listen to our
35:09Opposition Leader.
35:11Mr. Waseem, you have been
35:13covering for a long time.
35:15Whenever the Opposition Leader
35:17stands, when Shabaz Sharif
35:19was the Opposition Leader,
35:21Asad Qaisar used to give him
35:23a mic as a practice.
35:25Before that, when Syed Khursheed
35:27Shah was the Opposition Leader,
35:29our respected Ayaz Sadiq used
35:31to speak here.
35:33Khursheed Shah used to speak
35:35for 4-5 hours.
35:37You are making such a big law.
35:39Mr. Ali Umar Khan never
35:41speaks with bad manners.
35:43He is a responsible man.
35:45Couldn't you give him 2 minutes?
35:47Then you say democracy,
35:49then you say parliamentary sovereignty.
35:51What kind of parliamentary sovereignty
35:53is this, where there is no freedom
35:55even to talk to the opposition?
35:57Do you think, Mr. Ali Umar Khan,
35:59that for PTI,
36:01there was a debate that
36:03Bushra Bibi has come out,
36:05Mr. Khan is avoiding media interaction,
36:07he is not taking the names
36:09of big people,
36:11so maybe something is going on,
36:13a path is being made.
36:15Is that path closed
36:17because of today's development,
36:19or has PTI come up with an option
36:21that if you support it,
36:23the path will open,
36:25or not?
36:27In the coming days,
36:29do you think today's development
36:31is better,
36:33or is the situation
36:35better
36:37that we make a decision
36:39for our convenience
36:41or not?
36:43As dear to us
36:45as Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf
36:47came to power again,
36:49or as dear to us
36:51as our people
36:53have no more wrong cases,
36:55we have great respect for institutions
36:57and the safety of our institutions
36:59is also dear to us.
37:01Our common efforts are necessary
37:03to make a decision
37:05for any institution.
37:07Suppose we have to make a decision
37:09for the Supreme Court,
37:11we have to make a decision
37:13that is in the interest
37:15of the Supreme Court,
37:17not that we want
37:19any personal gain from it.
37:21Similarly, the decision
37:23about the armed forces,
37:25we do not want to support
37:27or oppose it
37:29because we are not getting
37:31any benefit from it.
37:33We have to support
37:35or oppose the army
37:37for the benefit of the institution.
37:39Similarly, we have to support
37:41or oppose the Supreme Court.
37:43Look, I have told you
37:45that Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf
37:47is not in favor of any extension.
37:49But if you want to fix a tenure,
37:51you should have engaged with us.
37:53We would have put your suggestions
37:55in front of our chairman
37:57Mr. Imran Khan.
37:59Mr. Khan would have given us
38:01a final go-ahead.
38:03You did not engage us
38:05with the sitting chairman
38:07Mr. Imran Khan,
38:09nor did you give us
38:11access to the founding chairman
38:13Mr. Imran Khan
38:15that we have come up
38:17with extremely important
38:19amendments in the Supreme Court
38:21or in the Army Act.
38:23Our parliamentary party
38:25was not given a chance
38:27to do anything.
38:29We are not enemies of Pakistan.
38:31But you have built a wall
38:33and passed all the laws
38:35in five minutes.
38:37Then what is this parliament for?
38:39Then why do you come here?
38:41Mr. Rana Sanwala has given
38:43a very innocent statement.
38:45What is your comment on this?
38:47He says that the army chief
38:49has been in Pakistan for 11 years.
38:51It has been 9 years.
38:53It has been 6 years.
38:55It has been 5 years.
38:57What do you have to say?
38:59I think that there are
39:01some positions in the country
39:03that are very sensitive
39:05whether it is the Chief Justice of Pakistan
39:07or the Governor of the State Bank
39:09or the head of
39:11any other government
39:13or the Army Chief or the Air Chief.
39:15There are many such important positions.
39:17I don't think such statements
39:19should make them controversial.
39:21The work should be done
39:23for the benefit of the people.
39:25What I am saying to you is that
39:27you think that you should
39:29do this legislation.
39:31You think that the number of judges
39:33should be reduced.
39:35You think that the service chiefs
39:37in our country should have
39:39a minimum of five years
39:41of service.
39:43Whatever you did,
39:45you should have given us that permission.
39:47There is a forum in the parliament
39:49called the Standing Committee
39:51which is very special.
39:53You can engage and discuss with us.
39:55You can sit at the table and
39:57come up with solutions.
39:59But what is this?
40:01It feels like someone has
40:03forced you to do something
40:05in 10 minutes or else
40:07you will be arrested.
40:09This is not how the government works.
40:11Is this how the government works?
40:13There are difficulties in politics.
40:15There are also eases.
40:17Our journey is for Pakistan.
40:19Pakistan wants to make Pakistan
40:21an Islamic state in the vision
40:23of Qadi Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
40:25There are difficulties and
40:27eases for that.
40:29This journey is not just
40:31a struggle for power.
40:33I have also come out of a death cell.
40:35Our leader is also in a death cell.
40:37Our leader's family has also
40:39gone through that pain.
40:41Look at Shah Mahmood Qureshi,
40:43the foreign minister twice.
40:45You have interviewed him a lot.
40:47He is a democratic person.
40:49With what he has been through,
40:51whatever happens,
40:53everything is acceptable for Pakistan.
40:55Thank you very much for your time.
40:57We will conclude after a break.
40:59Before we leave,
41:01we will discuss the
41:03far reaching effects of
41:05what has happened in Pakistan.
41:07I think we need to watch
41:09another element closely.
41:11That is Maulana Fazlur Rahman's
41:13reaction to all this.
41:15When Maulana Fazlur Rahman was
41:17talking about the 27th amendment,
41:19he clearly said that
41:21even in the 26th amendment,
41:23if we try to bring the
41:25right path of our wishes,
41:27then we will be on the streets
41:29and the government will not let us go.
41:31In all these matters,
41:33if Maulana Fazlur Rahman
41:35openly comes out against the government,
41:37then we think that he is
41:39a person who can be a headache
41:41for the government.
41:43He can be a disturbance
41:45for the government,
41:47but he can't be a headache
41:49for the government.
41:51We will see what happens
41:53in the next few days.
41:55See you tomorrow.
41:57Allah Hafiz.