Electoral strategist and head of the Jan Suraj Party, Prashant Kishor, had an exclusive conversation with OneIndia. During this discussion, he shared his insights on Bihar's politics, as well as his views on the disagreements with Tejashwi Yadav (Tejashwi Yadav) and Nitish Kumar (Nitish Kumar). Listen to what he had to say…
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00:00So trust me, you won't be seen in Bihar.
00:04Media people come and ask me everyday, where is Jansuraj spending his money?
00:07I am answering them everyday.
00:08Till date, I haven't met a single media person who has asked me, where did you get your money from?
00:12Where did you get the money for RJD?
00:14Are you going to become a journalist by force?
00:16Media people have written that nothing can happen to Jansuraj.
00:19What happens if you walk in Bihar?
00:21Today, when thousands of people have joined hands with Jansuraj,
00:24then media people are awake.
00:26Tomorrow, when the election results come in Jansuraj's favour,
00:28then they will come running to make headlines.
00:34Nitish Kumar is at the end of his career.
00:36Today, Nitish Kumar is a political liability.
00:39For his own party, for his alliance partners, and for Bihar as a whole.
00:44The blind faith in Modi that anyone who stands in Modi's name will win, that is not the case.
00:50People are looking at the candidates, the parties, their programmes and their performances.
00:56They dislike Nitish Kumar, but at the end of it, because there is no other alternative,
01:01when they compare it with Lalu Yadav, at least there is no kidnapping,
01:05there is no ransom, there is no fear.
01:08Last year, the government brought the CAA-NRC law.
01:11There was a lot of opposition.
01:12There was opposition for two years.
01:14The government didn't take care of all the social groups and implemented the same law again.
01:19What happened when it was implemented?
01:21Are you seeing any benefit or loss of CAA-NRC?
01:23It is lying in the dustbin.
01:25Hello and welcome to One India.
01:28Joining me right now is the face of Jansuraj,
01:32someone who very often is credited for paving the way of the creation of an entire industry
01:40around political strategy and campaign management in India, Mr. Prashant Kishore.
01:45So, first things first, do you agree with what I said as a part of the intro?
01:49Do you believe that you paved the way for the creation of an industry in India in any way?
01:53I don't see things that way.
01:55I have done what came my way.
01:58In the process, it emerged as, I wouldn't call it an industry, but as a domain
02:04where thousands of young people who are not part of any political party
02:09are able to participate in democracy and elections,
02:14helping, advising, working together with political leaders.
02:17That's how it is.
02:19And if it is growing, it is good.
02:21One thing is there that people across the board,
02:24whether you are fighting a gram panchayat or whether you are fighting for India,
02:28increasingly there are more and more people who are realizing that
02:34help from professionals of some caliber could make a difference.
02:39You have to understand that anybody, professional or political,
02:45a single individual or an organization cannot make a difference, cannot make anyone win or lose.
02:51Because election winning or losing is largely about the leader,
02:55about the issues, about the people, about the party foot soldiers.
02:59But on the margin, having the professionals with you,
03:03if they have the caliber, they can make a difference.
03:07Before getting into the upcoming by-polls in the state of Bihar,
03:11Prashant Kishore, the political strategist, and Prashant Kishore, the leader.
03:15At an individual level, you've said in a lot of interviews already
03:19that the work is pretty much the same. Now you are going to prepare a strategy for the people of Bihar
03:23instead of a political leader. But at an individual level, is there any difference in the way you look at it?
03:27There is no change in my day-to-day work except for the fact that
03:33in my previous innings, if you want to use that word,
03:39I was doing it behind the scene. Right now, I am doing it right from the front.
03:45As far as the work is concerned, it's largely the same.
03:51The only difference is earlier the leaders were delivering what we were suggesting or writing.
03:55Now the additional work is that I have to deliver it in my voice.
03:59Other part remains the same. Whether I am advising a leader or a political party,
04:05what do we advise on? We advise them how to organize themselves better.
04:09What do we advise them? We advise them on how to select a better candidate,
04:13how to make better people connect, people outreach, how to campaign,
04:17how to put the paraphernalia together for an effective electoral management.
04:23We are doing the same thing. The only difference is earlier it was a party, say a JDU led by Nitish Kumar
04:32or a TMC led by Mamata Banerjee. Here it is Jan Suraj led by Mr. Manoj Bharti
04:40or the other leaders of Bihar who want to create an alternative.
04:44So, there is no fundamental difference except for two things.
04:48That here I am front facing rather than being in the background.
04:53And second, all what we want to communicate to the people, we are not communicating through the leader,
04:58we are communicating through myself.
05:00On the 2nd of October you officially launched your party. How has the first 30 days been?
05:06And what does Jan Suraj stand for? Why is it that an average voter in Bihar today should vote for Jan Suraj?
05:13Average voter or electorate in Bihar should vote for Jan Suraj because for last 30-35 years
05:20they have been bereft of any credible alternative.
05:24In Bihar almost 50% or more voters do not vote for a party, they vote against a party.
05:31So, there is a sizable chunk of electorate in Bihar who vote for Lalu Yadav not because they love Lalu Yadav.
05:40Say for example, Muslims, 18%. They vote for RJD and Lalu Yadav not because RJD has done anything for them
05:49or has given them participation right. They vote for RJD simply because they are scared of BJP
05:56or they can't vote for BJP. Similarly, a large chunk of voters vote for NDA, say BJP and Nitish Kumar etc.
06:06They are not voting because they like Nitish Kumar. They in fact criticise, they dislike Nitish Kumar.
06:17But at the end of it, because there is no other alternative, when they compare it with Lalu Yadav,
06:23the jungle raj of Lalu Yadav, they think okay, let it be where I have less opportunity to grow,
06:30I have less employment opportunity, my children are not getting education, there is lot of corruption.
06:35But at least there is no kidnapping, there is no ransom, there is no rangdari, there is no fear.
06:41So, a large chunk of voters who have been voting only negatively to defeat Lalu,
06:49they vote for NDA. To defeat NDA, they vote for Lalu. They all of a sudden in jungle raj are finding an alternative
06:56which provides them an opportunity to make a positive vote where they can vote for the better education
07:03and employment of their children. It will also kind of end the Rajnitik Bandhuwa Majduri
07:11where parties and leaders have taken sections of society as their jagir that yeh jaayenge kahan.
07:18Main kaam karoon ya na karoon, agar yeh muslim hai aur main rajat ka candidate hoon to mujhe vote dega hi dega.
07:25Aap jaakar muslim areas ke halat ko dekhiye, unke gaon ki dasa ko dekhiye, unke bachchon ki stithi dekhiye.
07:32Iske bhaujood wo 18% Lalu ji ko isliye vote kar raha hai ki unke bhajpa ko de nahi sakta hai.
07:37Aur RJD bhi yeh baat jaanti rahi hai, to isliye unka koi kaam karte nahi hai.
07:41Similarly, jo Nitish ki party hai, jo bhajpa hai yahan, wo apni aur se koi prayas nahi karte hai
07:47ki logon ki zindagi mein behtari ho. Wo jaan rahe hai ki hum Lalu ka bhai dikhayenge aur humko vote mil jayega.
07:54So for both sections of voters, Jan Suraj is a fresh air, a fresh opportunity, a third alternative
08:02which provides them opportunity to vote on merit, which provides them opportunity to vote on basis of education,
08:09employment or the program which party is putting in front of people rather than just voting out of fear of somebody else.
08:15Sir, there are two things when it comes to the upcoming by-poll elections,
08:18when it comes to the four candidates that you have declared.
08:20There's two things that are doing rounds in the media at the moment.
08:23One, three out of the four candidates having cases being registered against them in the past.
08:28The other, when you speak about Theda Swi's educational background, the counter question is,
08:34what about the educational background of the candidates that you have now proposed?
08:37You guys are putting rubbish.
08:40Which media agency has asked ki Bhajpa ne Tarari mein ek Bahubali ke ladke ko candidate panaya hai?
08:48I was actually going to come to that.
08:50No, no, no. Don't be selective, okay?
08:54When I say Theda Swi is 9th pass or 9th, he has not passed 9th.
09:00It is not to say that anybody who has not passed 9th or 10th cannot be a good person, cannot be a wise person.
09:08You hear, you listen to what I have been saying for last two years.
09:12Formal education ka wisdom se koi lehna dena nahi hai.
09:16Lekin, kyunki kai baar paristiti bas, aap bahut gareeb ghar ke, aapke gaon mein school nahi hai,
09:22aapke maabap ne aapko padhane ki subhida nahi de paye, aapke maabap.
09:27Toh us paristiti mein aapki formal education nahi hui.
09:31Lekin, agar aap Mukhi Mantri ke ladke hain, aapke maabap Mukhi Mantri hain,
09:36aur aap 9th class nahi pass karte hain, toh more than your calibre,
09:40it shows your approach towards, or your thinking towards education.
09:45Agar main Mukhi Mantri ka ladka hun, aur main 9th pass nahi kiya hai maine,
09:49toh yeh dikhata hai ki shiksha ke prati mera nazariya kya hai.
09:53Iska matlab yeh nahi ki gaon mein koi kisan hai jo 9th class nahi kiya,
09:57yeh 10th pass nahi kiya, wo sahi bhekti nahi hai, wo Jansuraj se nahi ladega.
10:02Matlab, har gaon mein jo PhD kiya hua hai, wo Jansuraj ka candidate hoga,
10:06yeh thodi nahi kaha gaya hai.
10:08Aap keh rahe hain ki case hai, aap jara case nikal kar dekho.
10:12Bhai, jo normal political activist ke jeevan mein case hote hain,
10:17unki baat versus jo saamne dreaded criminals hain,
10:20jo bahubali hain, jo balu maafiya hain, jo sarab maafiya hain,
10:24media wo baat karti nahi hai.
10:26Matlab, koi samaj mein achha karne jaye,
10:28toh media ko lagta hai, ab chalo inko main lijh karta hu.
10:32Aur jo non-galti karne wale hain, usko aapko koi himmat bhi nahi hoti hai poochne ke liye.
10:36Media wale roh jaakar poochne hai, bhai Jansuraj paisa kahan se karcha kar raha hai.
10:39Main roh jabab de raha hu.
10:41Aaj tak koi media wala nahi mila,
10:42jo jaakar bhaaj paas se poochhe, bhai tumhare paas paisa kahan se aaya.
10:45RJD ka paisa kahan se aaya.
10:51Ek toh aap log samaj ke liye kuch karte nahi ho.
10:54Agar koi kar raha hai, toh aapka kaam hai,
10:56usko bas kisi tarah pyaar kheecho,
10:58aur yeh batao, ki bhi yeh kaam nahi ho sakta hai.
11:00Sir, I think...
11:01Nahi, Delhi mein baith ke, Bihar ko gaali dene wale log,
11:05Bihari kah ke mazaak udane wale patrkar,
11:08aakar wahan se gyaan de raha hai, ki Bihar mein kuch nahi ho sakta hai.
11:12Aur wahan se kah raha hai, ki yeh toh galat hai.
11:14Arre, agar tumhe itna hi Bihar se pyaar hai,
11:16apne bachche ko jara yaha padhai ke liye bhejo.
11:18Tum RJD ke voter ho,
11:20Tejasvi ka gungaan kar rahe ho,
11:22Delhi mein baith ke patrkar ke taur par,
11:24ek baar apne bachche ko Bihar mein ek saal padhne ke liye bhejo.
11:27Tumhare ghar mein koi bimaar padta hai,
11:29toh Bihar ke kisi hospital mein aake ilaaj kara lo.
11:32Baaki chhodo, tum do din aake,
11:34paanch din rahke Bihar mein dikha do.
11:36Delhi mein baith ke,
11:38Bihariyon ko gaali dene wale log,
11:40Bihariyon ko anpad vaikoof kahne wale log,
11:42humko gyaan de raha hai,
11:44ki arre, Bihar mein toh kaise hoga?
11:47Kyunki wo chahate hain ki Bihar aisa hi rahe.
11:50Agar Bihar aisa nahi rahega,
11:52toh Gujarat mein 10,000 mein labour milega kahan se?
11:55Punjab mein khed kaatne wala banda kahan se aayega?
11:58Toh jo Punjab ke log,
12:00jo Gujarat ke log,
12:02jo Delhi mein baitheve patrkar,
12:04Bihariyon ka roz mazaak udate hain,
12:06jo Bihar ke 38 district ka naam nahi bata sakta hai,
12:09wo humko gyaan de raha hai,
12:11ya hum log ko bata raha hai ki Bihar mein kya hona chahiye.
12:13As a follow up question to that sir,
12:16aap jab bolte ho ki mera fee itna hai advice dene ka,
12:19that creates a lot of headlines.
12:21At the same time when you speak of education,
12:23it does not create the same number of headlines.
12:25Arre aap, aap dekho,
12:27main gaon mein jaakar samjha raha hoon.
12:29Gaon ki mahila hai, usko aap kehte hoon,
12:31yeh chunawi rannitikar hain.
12:33Mahila ko kya samajh mein aa raha hai,
12:34chunawi rannitikar ka matlab kya hota hai?
12:36Toh usko yeh bataya jaata hai ki,
12:38jaise tumhare ghar mein koi bachha bimaar pad jaata hai,
12:40tum doctor ke baad jaate ho,
12:41usko 500 rupee fees dete ho,
12:43apna dava kar aate ho.
12:45Yeh toh ek bataane ka tarika hai.
12:48Ab headline media kya bataate ho,
12:50media se,
12:51I am not guided by media.
12:54Media is guided by Jansuraj.
12:56Theek hai na,
12:57hum 2-2.5 saal se chal rahe hain,
12:59wo media ki koi usme interest nahi hai,
13:01Dil Chaspi.
13:02Yeh media ke logon ne toh likha bhai Jansuraj ka,
13:04kuch hoi nahi sakta hai,
13:05yeh pehdal chalne se kya hota hai Bihar mein.
13:08Aaj jab hazaro log Jansuraj se jud gaye hain,
13:11tab media wale jage hain.
13:13Kal ho ke chunao, parinaam Jansuraj ke paksh mein aayenge,
13:16tab yeh bhage bhage aayenge headline banaane.
13:19Jis din mai 2 saal pehle pehdal chalna suru kiya,
13:2210 logon ke saath Bihar ke gaon mein ghoom raha tha,
13:24tab toh media wale mazaak udha rahe the.
13:28Inko, bhai,
13:29yeh toh post-facto analysis karne wale log hai.
13:33Media mein 100 mein 95 aadmi wo hai,
13:35jo ghatna ghat gayi,
13:37toh yeh batata hai ki yeh ghatna kyon ghati.
13:39Wo yeh nahi bata sakta hai ki aage ghatna kya ghatne wali hai.
13:43Wo shamta bahut kam logon ko hai,
13:44isliye nahi hai ki media ko niche utar ke ground pe toh kuch dekhna nahi hai.
13:49Jo badi ghatna dikhne lagi,
13:51toh aap wahan aate hain,
13:52wahan camera lagate hain,
13:53apna analysis karte hain ki yeh ghatna kyon gati.
13:56Ki Jansuraj mein itne log kyon jude,
13:58ab aap bata rahein.
13:59Bhai, 2.5 saal se jo prayaas ground par hua hai,
14:02uske liye toh media koi interest hai nahi.
14:05Kyonki wo news nahi hai,
14:06wo uspar view aayega nahi.
14:09Toh jab aap report hi 2020 mode mein karte ho,
14:12headline ke liye ki,
14:13toh aapko kahaan se samajh aayegi ki,
14:15jameen par kya ho raha hai?
14:16That was the reason I was asking.
14:17Bhai, mere Delhi mein,
14:1970 mein 67 Aam Aadmi Party jab jeeti,
14:22aur media des ke sabse bade media ke dhurandhar,
14:25ussi Delhi mein baithe hua hai.
14:27Kitne media walon ne pehle kaha tha ki,
14:29sir sir seat aa raha hai,
14:30Aam Aadmi Party ko.
14:32Poore des ki media jab Bengal mein baithi hui thi,
14:34sab kah rahe the,
14:35BJP 200 seat jeet raha hai.
14:37Mere bhai, aap 4 din Bihar aaye,
14:40aur 4 din mein aapne 10, 20, 50, 100 logon se baat kiya,
14:44ussi ki aadhar pe analysis lik di.
14:46Aapko kaise pata chalega ki,
14:47niche gaon mein kya ho raha hai?
14:49Bihar mein 40,000 gaon hai.
14:51Logon ke liye,
14:52headline education hai,
14:54log 100 crore ki baat nahi kar rahe hain,
14:56gaon mein, kisi gaon mein jao,
14:58jaise hi Jansuraj ka naam loge,
15:00toh log kahenge,
15:01accha yeh wo aale log hain,
15:02jo sikhcha aur rozgaar ki baat kar rahe hain.
15:04Gaon mein charcha yeh hai,
15:05ki pehli baar,
15:06koi party aakar,
15:07hamare bachon ke padhai ki baat kar rahi hai,
15:10wo vote dey ya na dey.
15:12Pehli baar,
15:13koi aadmi Bihar mein,
15:14palayan ki baat kar raha hai.
15:16Pehli baar,
15:17koi yeh keh raha hai ki,
15:18netaon ke bachon ko nahi,
15:19apne bachon ke liye vote do.
15:21Gaon mein,
15:22aap kisi mahila se pooch liye,
15:23kisi aadmi se poochiye,
15:24Jansuraj ka,
15:25wo chahe voter na ho.
15:27Wo Jansuraj ke baare mein,
15:28yeh batayega.
15:29Media ko nahi dekhna hai.
15:31Media ko yeh dekhna hai,
15:33kya kaha ki unka fees kya?
15:34Reh hum,
15:3510 saal se,
15:36jo kaam kar rahe hain.
15:37Toh yeh hi media likhti rahe hai,
15:38ki sakhlo crore upaya lete hain.
15:39Aapko humse sunne,
15:40kya jarurat hai?
15:41Coming to,
15:42your policy priorities.
15:43What is your priority,
15:44in terms of policy,
15:46for Bihar,
15:47in terms of education,
15:48health,
15:49and jobs?
15:50Bilkul priority clear hai,
15:51Bihar ko,
15:53gareebi se nikalne ke,
15:54ek matra rasta,
15:56yahan ke logon ke liye,
15:57padhai,
15:58rojgaar,
16:00aur,
16:01bhoomi sudhaar.
16:02Kyunki,
16:03yeh hi teen raste hain,
16:04jisse log gareebi se nikal sakte hain.
16:06Aap padh likkar,
16:07rojgaar paa lenge,
16:08naukri paa lenge,
16:09toh aap gareebi se nikal sakte hain.
16:11Agar aapke paas,
16:12achchi jameen ho,
16:13kheti karke bhi,
16:14aap gareebi se nikal sakte hain.
16:15Ya phir,
16:16agar aapke paas,
16:17paisa poonji ho,
16:18toh aap koi rojhi rojgaar karke,
16:19gareebi se nikal sakte hain.
16:20Toh,
16:21humari,
16:22Jansuraj ki policy priority,
16:23bilkul clear hai.
16:24Bihar mein,
16:25sabse zyada,
16:26agar kisi baat ki jaroorat hai,
16:27toh wo shiksha,
16:28rojgaar ki jaroorat hai.
16:30Yahaan ke land productivity ko badhana ki jaroorat hai.
16:33Aur hum log ki policy priority,
16:34wahi hai,
16:35ki yahaan 15 saal se kam umar ke bachon ke liye,
16:38sabse behtar shiksha ki bewastha ki jaye.
16:4115 saal se,
16:4250 saal ke umar ke logon ke liye,
16:44poonji ki bewastha ki jaye,
16:46taaki wo swarojgaar kar sake.
16:48Aur 50 saal se,
16:49jo upar ke log hain,
16:50un logon ke liye,
16:51kam se kam,
16:52kam se kam,
16:532,000 rupee mahine ki bewastha ki jaye,
16:54taaki wo ek dignified life jee sake.
16:56Toh yeh jo beech ka varg hai,
16:5815 se 55,
17:00usme kheti shamil hai,
17:01baipaar shamil hai,
17:02naukri shamil hai,
17:04aur wo kar tab paayenge,
17:06jab unke paas poonji ki uplabdata ho.
17:08Toh hum log bachon ko padhana chahate hain,
17:10jo log kaam kar sakte hain,
17:11unko poonji uplabd karana chahate hain,
17:13aur jo log budhe ho gaye hain,
17:15jo appad nahi sakte hain,
17:16rojgaar nahi kar sakte hain,
17:17unko ek dignified life dene ka promise kar rahe hain.
17:22Waade hain,
17:24jo hum log kah rahe hain ki Jan Swaraj aayega,
17:26toh kam se kam yeh paanch cheez ho jayega,
17:28yeh paanch cheez hum log ki priority hai,
17:30wo saare policy formulation ka
17:32ek tariqe se aap samajh liye jaye,
17:34ki final outcome hai.
17:35Coming to the upcoming by-polls,
17:37what is the realistic expectation that you've got
17:39about your party's performance?
17:41First of all, this is not my party.
17:43It's party made by millions of people of Bihar.
17:47What is realistic expectation?
17:49Expectation is that people of Bihar
17:51will end the political slavery
17:54to parties like RJD, ZDU and BJP
17:58and will vote for a fresh alternative.
18:00At this point in time,
18:02what is your opinion of the top leaders of Bihar?
18:05One is Nitish,
18:06the other is obviously Tejasi Yadav
18:08and what is your take at the moment on Mr. Chirag Paswan,
18:10your opinion on these three leaders of Bihar?
18:13See, Nitish Kumar is at the end of his career.
18:15I don't have to give any opinion.
18:18What opinion you would have
18:20about somebody who is at the end of his career?
18:23That his career is getting over?
18:26In matter of few months,
18:29his long political career is about to end.
18:33Today, Nitish Kumar is a political liability
18:37for his own party,
18:39for his alliance partners
18:41and for Bihar as a whole.
18:43As far as Tejasvi Yadav is concerned,
18:45Tejasvi Yadav for me is son of Lalu Yadav
18:48who has been one of the big leaders of Bihar
18:52in last 2-3 decades.
18:54Politics in Bihar has revolved around Laluji.
18:57So, Tejasvi Yadav for me is his son
19:00and hence because he is son of Lalu Yadav,
19:02he is leader of RJD
19:04but he is not the leader of Bihar.
19:06Got it.
19:07Chirag Paswan is with NDA.
19:11He is minister in the government
19:13and primarily he has been active
19:17in some pockets of Bihar
19:19talking the same issues,
19:21literally the same issues what we have been talking.
19:23He has been critical of Nitish Kumar.
19:25He has been talking about Bihar
19:27and need for Bihar to be more aspirational
19:29as far as the political diaspora dispensation is concerned.
19:34He has been talking about need for us to think big.
19:38So, I do not see any contradiction,
19:41major contradictions
19:43barring the fact
19:45that he is with BJP
19:47and we are following Gandhi.
19:49So, both cannot go together.
19:51But as far as the issues
19:53concerning Bihar
19:55or development of Bihar is concerned,
19:57there is a lot of similarity
19:59between what we are saying
20:01and what he has been saying
20:03in last few years.
20:05Maybe not with the same intensity
20:07or not at the scale at which we are talking
20:09but he has been making the right noise.
20:11Now he is in government
20:13of India.
20:15He is part of the government
20:17in the central government.
20:19He should use this opportunity
20:21to do some good for people of Bihar
20:23and for that my best wishes.
20:25Sir, you have been speaking at length
20:27about the rights of the minority community
20:29and how you will fight to safeguard them
20:31given a chance.
20:33How do you then respond
20:35if an allegation is thrown at you
20:37saying this is a strategy
20:39to dent the vote bank of the RJD?
20:41I am born Brahmin.
20:43So, that way
20:45if I am fighting, I am denting
20:47BJP and NDA vote.
20:49If I will
20:51reach out and talk about the rights
20:53and betterment of
20:55EBC or Dalits
20:57then you will say that I am denting NDA.
20:59If I am reaching out to Muslims
21:01then you are saying I am denting RJD.
21:03Of course, if a new party
21:05comes, whichever part
21:07of society I will reach out,
21:09it will dent someone's vote.
21:11So, what is the rocket science about it?
21:13No, there are people who are
21:15alleging and not only in this state
21:17but in a lot of states. Team B is something
21:19that has become very usual for people to allege.
21:21If you are an RJD supporter
21:23and you have
21:25taken this 18%
21:27voters for granted
21:29taking their vote
21:31giving nothing
21:33to them, doing
21:35nothing for them
21:37continue to
21:39take them for granted
21:41and only talk
21:43about the fear of BJP
21:45all of a sudden somebody goes
21:47and tells them that wait
21:49why are you voting for these people?
21:51They haven't done anything for
21:53your children. They haven't defeated
21:55BJP either.
21:57The RJD has not
21:59been able to defeat BJP either.
22:01Then why do you vote for them?
22:03They haven't done any development work
22:05for you. They haven't given you
22:07political participation
22:09and they haven't been able to defeat BJP.
22:11Why do you vote for someone?
22:13You vote for your
22:15and your society's development.
22:17You can vote for political
22:19participation. Or if both are not there
22:21you can vote to defeat your political opponents.
22:23The equation of RJD and Muslims
22:25in Bihar
22:27Muslims haven't got development.
22:29After Dalits
22:31the poorest and the worst
22:33are Muslims in Bihar.
22:35Even after 30-35 years of
22:37voting for RJD
22:39they haven't got any development.
22:41The situation of political participation is
22:43that the Lok Sabha has been elected
22:45and RJD has given two Muslim candidates
22:47a ticket.
22:49In the entire assembly there are 19
22:51Muslims. So RJD is not
22:53giving you political participation.
22:55Since 1989 Muslims
22:57have been voting for RJD.
22:59And since 1989
23:01BJP has increased from 0 to 30.
23:03In the country it has increased from 2 to 240.
23:05So this is being told to Muslims.
23:07You haven't got any development
23:09or political participation. You aren't able to defeat BJP.
23:11Then why are you burning like kerosene in a lantern?
23:13So obviously when
23:15kerosene will start coming out of the lantern
23:17your lantern will start extinguishing.
23:19Then you will shout.
23:21So they are shouting.
23:23Muslims are not shouting.
23:25They are shouting
23:27that they are losing to RJD.
23:29Till now they have been voting for Muslims for free.
23:31Now they are shouting.
23:33And they will shout more in the future.
23:35So there was a question that was coming in
23:37keeping in mind the 2025 assembly elections
23:39of Bihar.
23:41Post Haryana do you feel that
23:43there is a wave going in
23:45for the BJP which
23:47because following Maharashtra, Jharkhand and obviously Delhi.
23:49So do you think it will lead up to
23:51Bihar?
23:53I told you that the media
23:55saw Modi's wave before Lok Sabha elections.
23:57When the seats came down
23:59they said it was Rahul's wave.
24:01When Haryana elections came,
24:03they started making Modi's wave.
24:05My brother, you have to
24:07do news in the media 24x7.
24:09You have to say something every minute.
24:11You have to say something every hour.
24:13Politics or society,
24:15its topics, its support, its opposition
24:17doesn't change minute to minute.
24:19Once
24:21Modi's popularity or blind faith
24:23decreases, then
24:25it won't improve.
24:27Why did he win in Haryana?
24:29What happened?
24:31It's a matter of time. It's an election.
24:33Some will win, some will lose.
24:35But the larger message
24:37that there was blind faith
24:39that anyone standing in Modi's name
24:41will win, that's not the case.
24:43That's not the situation today.
24:45People are looking at the candidates,
24:47the parties, their programs,
24:49their performance.
24:51It doesn't mean that Modi is finished.
24:53But the situation in 2014,
24:55in 2019, that's not the situation today.
24:57Sir, you have cleared your stand on UCC.
24:59But the recent
25:01Tirupati controversy has provoked
25:03a larger debate.
25:05What is it?
25:07Should there be government control
25:09on religious institutions or not?
25:11What is your stand on that?
25:13My brother, you are talking
25:15about the work board bill.
25:17Should there be government control or not?
25:19On religious institutions,
25:21on matters, on society.
25:23I believe that as far as possible,
25:25the government should do its job
25:27and not interfere in society's affairs.
25:29Whether it's the liquor ban,
25:31whether I wear clothes,
25:33whether I eat food,
25:35which religion I practice.
25:37The constitution does not
25:39allow the governments
25:41to interfere
25:43in people's personal matters.
25:45But
25:47the people who live in the government
25:49keep doing this.
25:51Liquor ban is in effect in Bihar.
25:53Where is it written in the constitution?
25:55If you are against liquor ban,
25:57then you should try to
25:59do it as a social effort.
26:01But you have made a law
26:03that whoever drinks liquor,
26:05will be put in jail.
26:07Tomorrow you will make a law
26:09that I will put a non-vegetarian
26:11in jail.
26:13If a non-vegetarian
26:15does not wear clothes,
26:17then I will put him in jail.
26:19So, as far as possible,
26:21the country we live in,
26:23as far as we understand the constitution,
26:25the government should not interfere
26:27in people's personal rights and freedom.
26:29But if the government
26:31is making a policy
26:33that can have a big effect
26:35on people's personal lives,
26:37then the way forward is
26:39to make people confident.
26:41Whether you talk about UCC,
26:43the time vote,
26:45or the farmer's law.
26:47The law was made for the farmers.
26:49It was not for Muslims.
26:51But if you did not take the farmers
26:53in confidence,
26:55then the law had to be returned.
26:57In 2014-15, the government brought
26:59four amendments to the land acquisition bill.
27:01If there was no public support for it,
27:03then it had to be withdrawn.
27:05If you make any law,
27:07if you do not make it
27:09in confidence,
27:11then a democratic set-up
27:13like India's
27:15execution on the ground will be difficult.
27:17The government brought
27:19the CANRC law.
27:21There was a lot of opposition.
27:23It was opposed for two years.
27:25The government did not take care
27:27of all the social groups
27:29and implemented the same law again.
27:31So what happened to the land?
27:33Do you see any benefit or loss of CANRC?
27:35It is lying in the dustbin.
27:37When you make any law,
27:39the law is being made for the people.
27:41When the society does not agree
27:43with the law you are making,
27:45then what is the point of making
27:47a law?
28:11The question of alliance
28:13either with BJP
28:15or any
28:17other party,
28:19Congress included,
28:21or RJD, or any party
28:23does not exist.
28:25Neither pre-poll nor
28:27post-poll.
28:29There can be no pre-poll
28:31or post-poll
28:33alliance
28:35with any party
28:37in Bihar.
28:39It is impossible.
28:41Jansuraj will fight 243 seats
28:43and not 242.
28:45Now there are four elections.
28:47There is only one party,
28:49Jansuraj, which is fighting all four elections.
28:51BJP is fighting two.
28:53RJD is fighting one, two or three.
28:55Jati is fighting one.
28:57Manjhi ji is fighting one.
28:59Chirag Paswan is not fighting.
29:01Jansuraj is fighting all four seats.
29:03There is no question of any alliance.
29:05Whether the government is formed or not,
29:07win or lose,
29:09alliance is impossible
29:11with any party.
29:37Join politics.
29:39The news is nothing new.
29:41It has been there in air for last many months
29:43or rather years.
29:45He has taken the plunge. I wish him
29:47all the best.
29:49In democracy, we need more parties.
29:51We need more leaders.
29:53We need more options for people.
29:55It is good for democracy.
29:57It's good for people. It's good for the country.
29:59Thank you, sir. Thank you for spending your time with us.