Video Information: COVID-19/ Corona Virus Session, 23.03.20, Advait BodhSthal, Greater Noida, U.P.
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~ You thought your cruel orgy would continue unchecked?
~ How to protect from coronavirus?
~ Is it possible to survive coronavirus?
~ Coronavirus's impact on the global economy
~ China, Atheism and Coronavirus
~ How to avoid anxiety and fear in this difficult situation?
~ How to use the free time?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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Context:
~ You thought your cruel orgy would continue unchecked?
~ How to protect from coronavirus?
~ Is it possible to survive coronavirus?
~ Coronavirus's impact on the global economy
~ China, Atheism and Coronavirus
~ How to avoid anxiety and fear in this difficult situation?
~ How to use the free time?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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00:00Everything was going alright.
00:11Back in November 2019, the world was operating as it does.
00:15And within three months, everything has just turned upside down.
00:19You're talking about the Corona outbreak.
00:22Acharyaji, it has always been enlightening sitting with you and talking about life.
00:29Most of us today are stunned, are not able to make sense of what has hit us, like a bolt
00:37from the blue, especially the well-to-do Western nations.
00:43For them, the Corona outbreak is like a pretty good-to-go picnic party unjustly interrupted.
00:51Where did it all come from?
00:54Where is it going to?
00:57So the picnic, as you say, has been unjustly interrupted.
01:05Somebody broke the party.
01:09It's in the partying itself that the genesis of this situation lies.
01:26It's just that the manifest results of our actions take time to show up.
01:39And they show up only episodically.
01:46It's not a continuum.
01:47It's not as if you act right now.
01:51And in the same moment, you will receive the tangible result of your action.
01:59So between the intention, the action, and the gross manifest result, there is the space
02:13of time.
02:15That time interval comforts us into feeling that all is well with the kind of life we
02:28are living, the kind of center we are operating from, the way we look at ourselves, the way
02:36we look at others, the way we look at the planet, the way we look at the entire chain
02:44of ecosystems.
02:46We just keep telling ourselves we must be doing well because there are no hugely negative
02:55repercussions.
02:56So the absence of those repercussions comforts us into a false sense of security and all-rightness.
03:06When outbreaks like these happen, then we are shocked, as you said, it's a bolt from
03:16the blue.
03:17So, I mean, that's what, it's not as if it's altogether sudden.
03:26It was brewing.
03:29And unless we really understand where this thing comes from, we would be condemned to
03:38not only be able to not present a right response to the current situation, but also remain
03:50vulnerable to more such situations in the future.
03:57Between the action and its fruit showing forth, there's a gap.
04:03And that gap ensures that we are asleep, being proactive.
04:07In fact, the reason the specialists are calling this disease very lethal is because it has
04:13a very large incubation period.
04:15So you have in a way talked of the spiritual incubation period of man, and that is making
04:23things.
04:24That's a nice way to put it.
04:26Between the moment of infection and the moment when the symptoms first show up, there is
04:34time.
04:36And this time is what deludes us into false comfort.
04:41With COVID-19, it is 4 days, 15 days, 29 days.
04:48How much time does it usually take for a man?
04:50It depends on the man himself.
04:53It depends on his perceptiveness and sensitivity.
04:58If you are quite sensitive, you will probably see the results of your actions in the moment
05:09of the action itself.
05:12That's an extreme.
05:14Right when you are acting, you will be able to sense that you are not acting from the
05:18right center and hence you don't need to wait for time to deliver results to you.
05:26The very motivation, the very center, the very intention behind the action would tell
05:41you that the action is not quite proper.
05:45On the other hand, if you are dull or extremely resistant to truth, as most people are, just
05:56as viruses can be resistant to medicines, then you require very gross jolts like these
06:13to even partially accept that your actions have not been right.
06:21And it is quite possible that even the strongest jolt might not be able to displace you from
06:29your false position.
06:32It is possible even that you may say that you are prepared to give up your life, physically
06:40die, but you will not surrender to the truth.
06:48You just don't want to concede.
06:50Acharyaji, you have been very vehemently making the point that there is a direct linkage between
07:00the corona outbreak and the animal farming industry and the lust around eating meat.
07:12I want you to speak more about it.
07:14You see, even that is not the complete explanation.
07:26Yes, obviously, when we look at the way man relates to physical nature, which I will refer
07:36simply to as nature in this conversation, then one cannot miss the fact that we are
07:48super violent and ultra exploitative and we somehow assume that we will be able to
08:01continue with our personal man-centric parties, no gender thing there, mankind-centric parties,
08:16remaining as exploitative and as cruel as we are.
08:22It's a surprise how we are able to maintain that inner assumption, but we do.
08:29So that's an obvious thing.
08:32But that kind of violence, that kind of inner hatred towards existence itself, that kind
08:43of discontentment with very life is not limited to the way man treats biological systems or
08:58rivers or mountains or animals or birds or fish.
09:06It shows up in every aspect of our life.
09:10We are not what we must be.
09:14It shows up in our education.
09:18It shows up in our politics.
09:21It shows up in our relationships.
09:22It shows up in our economy.
09:25It is there everywhere.
09:29Whatsoever man touches, whatsoever man creates, whatsoever bears any kind of imprint of man
09:38is obviously coming from man's center.
09:42When I say center, I mean man's identity.
09:46What does man think of himself?
09:48What does man take himself to be?
09:52What are you acting as?
09:57So because we act from the wrong center, therefore everything that we do is actually messed up.
10:09Among all those things that are messed up is this one thing called man's relationship
10:17with flora and fauna, animals and such things.
10:23The coronavirus is coming from there.
10:28What's worse, there might be much more lethal and incurable viruses to come in the future.
10:45We talk of the virus as the problem.
10:50In fact, if you go to the social media to get a hang of how we are looking at the whole
10:57thing in a cultural way, you often find the virus being depicted as a demon or a horned
11:06monster or something.
11:09That's how we are trying to portray the virus.
11:16But is the virus to be blamed?
11:21Did the virus conspire to come and affect and kill humanity?
11:29Or did we go and force the virus to come to us?
11:37In a lighter vein, even the virus must be in a state of shock right now.
11:43The virus was gladly living where it was, where it must be, in the lap of the jungles.
11:55But when we go to the jungle, we destroy the jungle, we want to just eat and consume anything
12:04that we can lay our hands on.
12:06And so we have forced the virus to come to us.
12:10And now it is the nature of the virus to mutate and travel and propagate itself and infect
12:16as many as possible.
12:17The virus is doing what the virus must.
12:21We are not doing what we must.
12:23The virus is almost a chemical, you see.
12:27It is just a little heap of genetic information.
12:36That's all that the virus is.
12:37It hardly has any consciousness.
12:40In fact, we do not even know whether to call the virus as a living or a non-living thing.
12:47So the virus is almost a chemical.
12:49What we are saying is, oh, the chemical is to be blamed.
12:52Is the chemical to be blamed seriously?
12:57It's almost like saying carbon is evil.
13:01But then who is emitting all the carbon into the atmosphere?
13:06We are saying, oh, CO2 is a problem.
13:11Has CO2 decided on its own to invade you and maim you?
13:17Are you getting it?
13:19So because our entire worldview is flawed, because the very philosophy that forms the
13:28foundation of our civilization and our existence is flawed, therefore we keep getting such
13:40episodic shocks from time to time.
13:46It would be a thing of mercy if such things happen only episodically.
13:53What I'm afraid of is that this thing may strike humanity in a way from which humanity
14:04may never be able to recover.
14:07One small little, almost innocuous virus, and you see how the entire world appears paralyzed.
14:19Everything is in a limbo.
14:21But if a stronger strain comes through, we will not take long to meet the fate of the
14:31dinosaurs.
14:32Are you getting it?
14:35And then we'll wonder, why did this happen to us?
14:37Well, it was coming.
14:39We just didn't see it.
14:43We think of ourselves as bigger than nature.
14:49So heroes are people who very fancifully talk of colonizing other planets and this and that,
15:02we'll go here, we'll go there.
15:04Right now you cannot even go to the grocery.
15:07And they are saying we'll go to Mars and we'll settle there and the moon is our next colony.
15:14Right now you cannot even walk to the next residential colony in your own city and you're
15:21thinking of having the moon as the next colony.
15:25But then the ego does not understand.
15:29It cannot.
15:31It does not have the power to understand.
15:33It can have knowledge.
15:35It's like a virus.
15:37It can multiply, but it can never be conscious.
15:43In a sense, this external virus is very, very symbolic of something within man, the tendency
16:04to proliferate, the tendency to destroy anyone it touches.
16:11Are we talking of the virus or the ego, both?
16:16The tendency to reach anyone you come in contact with and reach in a debilitating way.
16:26Is that not how we relate to each other?
16:29There are very few who would uplift someone who comes in contact with them.
16:35Mostly if you come in contact with somebody, you just infect him, not uplift him.
16:42That's the way our usual relationships operate.
16:45That's also the way the virus operates.
16:50We don't know.
16:51Is the ego the virus?
16:52Is the virus the ego?
16:53Who knows?
16:54The ego is such a subtle thing.
16:57We talk of it as a concept.
16:59Now is the time to see it in action.
17:04Because you see, we want proofs.
17:06After all, we are logical, rational people, or so we believe.
17:09We like to pride ourselves on that.
17:15So here is the proof.
17:16Acharya, I began by telling you and proving you to respond to this narrative where I said
17:26that November was one situation, March is another, but you in a way are suggesting that
17:32it's been the same all the while.
17:33I'm saying it was just the same in November.
17:36It's just that it was not visible.
17:38Now it has become visible.
17:40To a subtle mind, to a mind that is sensitive and can perceive even subtleties, even things
17:49that are not visible to the mortal eye, nothing has really changed.
17:56You see, when somebody gets diseased in an external way, then you raise a big hue and
18:02cry, don't you?
18:04When somebody dies physically, then we declare it a calamity.
18:11And only when such things happen in a physical and external way, do we feel alarmed and sad.
18:19But someone who is sensitive has remained alarmed and sad throughout because he is seeing
18:29inner death happening every day on a mass scale, because he is seeing the interiors
18:36of the entire mankind diseased in a big way all through.
18:43He is already seeing that we are diseased, we are neurotic, we are psychotic.
18:51But then the mind is a fine thing, plus the internal disease may not always be detectable.
19:06What's worse, even if it is detectable, it might not be admissible.
19:12You may not want to admit to the other that you are actually neurotic, which most people
19:18are.
19:19I'm not talking of the fringe 5%.
19:21I'm talking of the bulk of the world's population, we all are neurotic.
19:27So that disease has been there all throughout.
19:30It's just that the disease was there inwardly, now the disease has become external.
19:36If you are somebody who values only the body, then you will be alarmed only when the body
19:44collapses.
19:46But if you are somebody who values the richness of inner life as well, then you would be in
19:55mourning when the inner self collapses and dies.
20:00And inwardly we all have been dying very sad deaths continuously.
20:06Just because a man appears to be walking on his two legs and breathing and eating, don't
20:11assume him to be alive.
20:14Being alive is something totally different.
20:18There is a lot of morbidity in the way we all live.
20:24This external catastrophe is nothing but a reflection of the internal morbidity.
20:31Acharya ji, in one of the informal interactions, I heard you averting that this pandemic, you
20:41wish that it doesn't last much, but you also hinted that it may teach a lesson to mankind.
20:51It may awaken it.
20:53May that not happen, may we get away with a small punishment, but I will be greatly
21:00surprised and very glad if anything less than a million are infected.
21:08In India?
21:09No, globally.
21:10India, we should be alright if we are let off with something like 2 lakh infections.
21:22Even 2 lakh infections is probably too much to ask for.
21:27Were you personally shocked and saddened?
21:30Did you see it as an event or were you all the while aware of this coming?
21:35It didn't come as a shock.
21:37It's just that the exact details of the event open up only when the event unfolds.
21:48Obviously, that comes as a news, but the news is not a shock.
21:53Because you Acharya ji spoke of the internal pandemic, the mind rotting.
21:57Obviously, internally there has been a pandemic and I have been continuously using the word
22:01pandemic.
22:02We all are very very unhealthy internally and when you are unhealthy internally, you
22:09are bound to do stuff that will affect you badly in the external sense also, in the bodily
22:15sense also.
22:18I just pray that even right now, for example, the period of forced quarantines and self-isolation
22:28and lockdowns forces or enables us to have free space and time to reflect.
22:39Let us please figure out why we have been brought to such a situation.
22:44It is not incidental.
22:45It is not as if a random event has happened.
22:50Let's all just keep this illusion aside.
22:53It's not a random event.
22:56There is a clear cause effect chain involved here and unless we understand where this effect
23:02is coming from, unless we are able to pinpoint the cause, we will be condemned as I have
23:09just said to bear even stronger effects.
23:16Acharya ji, there have been multifarious reactions within the society and I would like to pick
23:25up all of these one by one and it will be really helpful if you could throw some light
23:34on how these reactions are coming from a center where the ego is trying to hide away.
23:42First of all, for example, US and most of the nations that have been harmed, I am trying
23:49to put all the blame upon a particular culture, for example, China, a nation that is eating
23:57raw meat of animals like rabbit, bat, snakes.
24:03So they are making it a cultural issue rather than realizing that all of them, the center
24:08itself is corrupted.
24:11What they are saying is not factually wrong, it is just factually incomplete.
24:18Per capita flesh consumption is probably the highest in this country, the United States.
24:30So it is quite rich when they point fingers at others.
24:36Obviously it is inhuman to kill an animal to consume its flesh and that is one of the
24:46biggest indicators of our inner depravity.
24:51But then who really are the Americans to point fingers at China?
24:57You kill pigs, you kill lambs, you kill cows, what to say of chicken and fish and then you
25:09want to castigate others because they kill dogs and bats and snakes, as if the life of
25:20a pig is any less important than that of a dog, instead of understanding that it is about
25:31man's relationship with life itself, with all forms of consciousness itself.
25:39You are trying to make it a thing that involves only certain species, what you are saying
25:47is no, no, no, dogs should not be eaten, pigs can be slaughtered, no, no, no, how can you
25:52consume insects or bats, but killing cows is alright.
25:59This kind of stupidity is making me nervous that this epidemic might not be the last one
26:13that we are seeing in our lifetimes.
26:17And probably there are benchmarks for saying that this animal is good to eat, that is not
26:22good to eat.
26:23Conditioned, conditioned benchmarks, very, very conditioned benchmarks.
26:27I do not know how anybody in his right sense can approve the killing of one animal over
26:34the other.
26:35How is it possible to declare one animal as halal and the other as haram?
26:41How is it possible to declare one kind of meat as kosher?
26:46It is beyond all comprehension.
26:51And probably those animals that are less possible, that have least possibility of creating
27:01an epidemic are eaten the most.
27:03No, it is not that way, it is not that way.
27:06There are enough number of reports available, if you would care to research a little, that
27:16tell of the insides of the animal agriculture industry, the kind of antibiotics that are
27:27being used there and the very quantum of antibiotics that are being used there.
27:36Any day, any kind of virus can simply jump to humans.
27:44And I am not even yet beginning to talk of the impact of animal agriculture on the global
27:55climate catastrophe.
27:56So Acharji, are you saying that the opinion that these epidemics, pandemics and so on,
28:05they spread from eating outrageous animals like bats and snakes, is this opinion flawed?
28:13The question is, why does one eat animals at all in the first place?
28:17What is it that makes you sink your teeth into the flesh of a living being?
28:24That's the question.
28:26Originally, all animals are wildlife.
28:30So when you say, oh, the Chinese and only the Chinese are consuming wildlife, you are
28:36kidding yourself.
28:39How is a pig not wildlife, please?
28:44How is a rooster not wildlife?
28:50How is a shark or a dolphin or a tuna not wildlife?
28:57How is a bird not wildlife?
29:01How is the humble turkey not wildlife?
29:11So the way we are, it becomes imperative for us to keep appropriating more and more space
29:25for our consumption.
29:29Hacking down forests is a compulsion with us.
29:35You cannot have the kind of civilization we have, you cannot have the values we have,
29:40you cannot have the spiritual values that we have and not hack down forests.
29:48Given the way we shop in the markets, we will necessarily hack down forests.
29:55Given the way we choose brands, given the way we choose companies to work for, given
30:01the way we choose people to be with, given the way we choose somebody to mate with, we
30:09will necessarily hack down forests and that's what people find a bit of a stretch.
30:14They say, no, no, no, that is not true.
30:16They'll say, no, no, when you say that we should not be doing all the evil things, that
30:22is all right.
30:23But kindly don't say that such intimate and personal things as relationships are related
30:36to and in the same plane as the outbreak of a pandemic.
30:40These two things are in the same plane and we'll have to humbly accept that.
30:46We do not know what to do and therefore we do not know what to eat and therefore we do
30:51not know how to marry, therefore we do not know how to work, we do not know how to live.
30:59I'm not being an opportunist who is using a global calamity to sermonize.
31:08I talk to you of a particular sadness.
31:11Anybody who can see a few things, anybody who bothers and cares to see a few things,
31:20anybody who has love for life would actually not be glad looking at things as they are,
31:29not only right now, but even as they were before November 2019, even when the world
31:36is busy partying, what we are actually having is a massacre.
31:42That massacre may not be an external and tangible event, but internally we are all slaughtering
31:48ourselves continuously.
31:51Moving on, Acharyaji, there's this hashtag on Twitter, if I'm naming it right, BeatTheVirus.
32:04You just talked of demonizing Corona and putting, you know, how is it?
32:10Tell them to forget the virus, beat the man.
32:15The hashtag should say forget the virus, beat the man and physically beat the one up who
32:21says beat the virus, because he is the virus.
32:28You know what is the virus?
32:30Somebody with no ability or no willingness to look at himself.
32:37Somebody with no intention at all to reflect back on himself.
32:43The virus does not do that.
32:45There is no virus that will ever ask the question, who am I?
32:48What am I here for?
32:49Why do I exist at all?
32:50Do I exist at all?
32:52No virus will ever ask this question, right?
32:55And unfortunately, 98% of the world population does not ask these questions.
33:02The virus does not, neither does the human being.
33:05The human being is the virus, so forget about beating the virus.
33:11Look at yourself, that's far more important.
33:14The virus is not the culprit.
33:19In both the genesis of the outbreak and in the kind of responses that we have been giving
33:28to the outbreak, it is very obvious that we are internally diseased.
33:33Don't you see the kind of superstitions being peddled in the name of combating the virus?
33:42People are talking of global resonance when they beat up their utensils.
33:49They are saying at a particular time, if we all raise a big noise, then all the noises
33:55will get together to create a particular creative interference that will purge the atmosphere
34:06of all kinds of harmful pathogens.
34:10I mean, please, I understand that one is not inclined towards spirituality.
34:18But then what's your problem with science as well?
34:23Neither spiritual nor scientific.
34:25What kind of people are we?
34:29And you have politicians who are furthering their own agenda.
34:33The country of origin kept hiding the numbers, probably it is still doing that, for long.
34:42Because it has a brand to uphold.
34:45Because the values of nationalism are far more important than the value of consciousness
34:53and the values of love and compassion.
34:58Because if there is a place that forbids religion, then that place cannot have compassion
35:04for the entire world.
35:11Are you getting it?
35:15Could you touch upon the superstition aspect, Acharyaji?
35:19This was something that I was anyway about to come to.
35:24Man, at this moment, in this pandemic, is just taking recourse in God.
35:31It is bringing God down, trying to relate.
35:35And broadly, there have been two ways in this relation is being established.
35:39One way is that the most common way that God help me, because science cannot, there is
35:50no other way.
35:51And the other way is where, I mean, it is being established that no God can help you.
35:55If God could have helped you, He would have already helped you.
35:58I mean, see what has happened in Italy.
36:00So what is this just obsession with God in, I mean, bringing God into something where
36:05He has no role to play?
36:06It's not about God, it's about the ego.
36:11And ego has no truth.
36:13Ego only has concepts and ideologies.
36:16Now somebody has the ideology, there is no God.
36:19It is an ideology.
36:22It does not demand any justification other than that I have this ideology.
36:30Why do I have this ideology?
36:31Where does this come from?
36:32What does it do to me?
36:34These are questions that no one bothers to ask.
36:36So the ideology is there is no God, then there is another ideology, there is a God.
36:41Both the sides are peddling their ideologies.
36:45The side that says there is no God, ask them, there is no what?
36:49They'll say God.
36:50What is God?
36:51What is it that you're denying?
36:53And they'll not know.
36:54They'll not know.
36:56There is no God.
36:58There is no what?
36:59God.
37:00What is God?
37:01That I do not know.
37:03But I am a compulsive denier of God.
37:08Then there is this side, there is God and God Almighty will descend and He'll help us
37:13all and only God can cure man of this affliction and probably God to punish man and chastise
37:19man has sent down the virus, fine, all right.
37:22So there is God.
37:25There is what?
37:26There is God.
37:27But what is God?
37:29That we do not know.
37:30That we do not know.
37:31Maybe they'll not admit it so quickly, but probe a little, scratch the surface a bit
37:38and you come to see that all the believers do not know what they believe in.
37:43Ultimately, it's just a belief, a blind belief.
37:46Similarly, the disbelievers, ask them what is it that you don't believe in?
37:50No idea.
37:51So the virus named ego is in this case also trying to spread itself, propagate itself.
37:56Just propagate itself, just propagate itself.
37:59So there are atheists who are trying to propagate their atheist virus and then there are the
38:05believers who are trying to proliferate the virus of belief.
38:11This question is rather personal for me, which virus is more lethal, which virus you consider
38:21more lethal?
38:22I mean, one side we have.
38:23There are no two viruses.
38:26It's the same virus that acts differently upon different people.
38:31Just as the coronavirus, we know does not affect everybody equally.
38:38And that brings me to a very important point before I forget it.
38:42Remember that this disease affects the elderly the most.
38:52You might be a very strong young person and looking at the stats, you might realize that
38:59the survival rate for young infected people is almost 100%.
39:04Maybe one in a thousand succumbs to the disease.
39:06If you are talking of the young population, let's say under the age of 40.
39:11And that may tell you that you do not need to take precautions, you do not need to maintain
39:17social distancing and these things.
39:19But then please, that's exactly what the virus is all about.
39:25Self-centered behavior.
39:28You may not really be affected much by the virus.
39:32But you will act as a carrier that will take it to several elderly people and they will
39:41suffer a lot.
39:42Are you getting it?
39:44So please, for their sake, the first short-term measure should be to do whatever you can to
39:53prevent yourself from getting infected.
39:57And that does not involve doing much.
39:59That actually involves not doing your regular stuff.
40:03Just avoid your regular stuff.
40:05Have some concern for the other.
40:08The disease will probably not take you, but it will take away the old man, please, for
40:13his sake.
40:14Acharya ji, we spoke of various reactions of this virus, this outbreak coming from the
40:23society.
40:24And in all of them, we found that the substratum more or less is the ego and ignorance is being
40:30spread and propagated.
40:31Lastly, I would want you to throw some light on how you think one today can just be, one
40:43can just quarantine oneself from misinformation.
40:46For example, the prime minister said that this is something that you have to do for
40:50five minutes and probably the leaders of a particular society would have said that this
40:54is something that will, you know, eliminate the virus.
40:57And then yesterday, we saw that the entire nation was on the streets despite the lockdown,
41:04believing that creating a particular noise would eliminate the virus.
41:07That noise is just the noise inside man.
41:12Didn't you see maniac behavior on the streets, knowing fully well that this kind of a thing
41:22is not going to have any impact upon the virus, if anything, the assembly or the congregation
41:32can lead to further spread of the virus.
41:36So yes, the leaders have an important role to play, but then when the entire population
41:45is conditioned to live and believe foolishly, first of all, the leaders are helpless.
41:53Secondly, you must remember that the leaders just reflect the quality of the people.
42:00Acharya ji, I had seen some videos last night and they were really disturbing.
42:05They were videos of leaders because we're speaking of them.
42:08They are mullahs and maulvis who have audience of thousands and they are saying things like,
42:15I saw corona in my dream.
42:18It was a man and he told me that this, that, there's a narrative story that, you know,
42:23a Muslim woman was raped in China and there's another one who is saying that corona is cured
42:29when you eat the flesh of pigeon.
42:31How does, I mean, how does a common man, you know, safeguard oneself from such misinformation
42:38and nonsense?
42:39Is there a way?
42:40We listen to the doctors and the scientists and that's only the short-term solution.
42:49The real solution is to go to real spirituality.
42:55Only that is the real solution.
42:57But for you to live long enough or to just survive, to implement the real solution, first
43:06of all, you need to implement the short-term solution.
43:09And the short-term solution is, do not listen to anybody except doctors, scientists, researchers,
43:16the ones who have scientific and technical knowledge.
43:19They are the only ones worth listening to, full stop.
43:24And Acharya ji, scientists all across the globe have more or less singular say on it.
43:31But people from different religions, leaders from different communities are creating their
43:36own stories.
43:37They are afraid.
43:38They are afraid because they have been upholding false religion and I am not talking of any
43:45one particular religion with a particular name.
43:48I am talking of the multitude of religions themselves.
43:55Be it any religion carrying any name, real religiosity is missing.
44:06But real religiosity I call as spirituality.
44:10That is totally missing.
44:12So when the moment of test arrives, then the false one obviously shivers and shakes in
44:22insecurity and then they come up with all kinds of nonsensical, even malicious propaganda.
44:29Somebody would say that if you slaughter a pigeon and eat its flesh, then you can be
44:35cured of coronavirus.
44:36Somebody will say that you can go and perform a pilgrimage here or there.
44:41And such voices are coming from all kinds of places.
44:47This true religiosity, the last point of this interaction Acharya ji, this true religiosity
44:53is nowhere to be seen.
44:55Perhaps it is that which is silent, there is no reaction coming from it.
45:02This true religiosity is being really attacked by the liberals today using the reaction that
45:13is coming from the false religiosity, false, false, you know, the leaders who are representing
45:20the false religion.
45:21It is a very strange situation you see.
45:24On one side are the ones who are upholding false religion in the name of religion and
45:31then on the other side are the ones who are attacking religiosity itself in the name
45:40of attacking false religion.
45:43So what we right now have is the worst of both worlds.
45:48On one hand, we have the priests and the dharmic gurus and the mullahs who are all talking
46:01nonsense in the name of religion, in fact who are talking stuff that even their own
46:07scriptures would never approve of and the gullible masses, they are being conditioned
46:16and influenced in a very bad way and very very foolish thing is being peddled as religion.
46:27Stuff that has nothing to do with religion at all.
46:29Stuff that religion would actually abhor and laugh at is being branded as religion.
46:37That is one side.
46:38Then there is the other side that is equally poisonous, the liberal side and they are saying
46:45that religiosity itself is a problem.
46:50They do not see any distinction between true religion and false religion.
46:53They are saying all religion is false, there is nothing called true religion.
46:57So they are attacking spirituality itself.
47:01They are saying there is just the material, there is nothing called the spirit and by
47:05the spirit I mean the transcendental.
47:08By spirit I mean the subtle aspects of life.
47:13They are denying all those things.
47:15They are saying man is just flesh and bones.
47:20There is nothing really called consciousness and even if there is something called consciousness,
47:25the consciousness too is purely material or social or conditioned.
47:32They are just not prepared to see and accept that there is stuff beyond the limitations
47:44and the mechanizations of the physical universe, that the human body is not merely material
47:57and had the human body been merely material, then we would have not longed for things like
48:04contentment, like peace, like joy, like love.
48:09These are not material things and it is such an obvious thing to see.
48:14But then if the liberals want to act blind, even in full sight of the facts, then what
48:23does one do?
48:24They too have their own egoistic compulsions.
48:27Acharyaji, like Krishna had to show his real self to Arjuna, his mighty self, for him to
48:36understand who he really is.
48:39Should true religiosity not come forth and show itself to both the parties?
48:46It is showing itself forth.
48:47It is not as if it is hiding somewhere in a cave, everything that happens is nothing
48:56but an opportunity for true religiosity to shine forth.
49:03And remember that true religiosity is not man-centric and therefore true religiosity
49:09really has no great interest in conserving or protecting man as a species.
49:18You live, fine, and if due to your own follies you perish, fine.
49:29True religiosity lies in understanding that you have the capacity to know, to realize,
49:40to understand, to act beyond your chemical tendencies, to not to be a slave to your hormones,
49:53your glands, your primitive conditioning.
49:58That's what true religiosity is.
50:00Thank you, Acharyaji, in this short interaction we really discussed those aspects of this
50:09outbreak that really need to be uncovered, they need to reach the masses.
50:14You explained how it's not an event, it has always been in queue and this ego itself is
50:20the virus that we need to get rid of.
50:23You touched upon all the reactions that are coming from the society in general and you
50:28established that how all these reactions are just ego trying to propagate itself and
50:35we hope that we really come out of this very soon.
50:39Thank you, Acharyaji.