" Ali Amin Gandapur Ne 23 Crore KPK Tamam Bar Ko Diye, Aur 3 Crore Lahore ... " Mian Rauf Atta
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00:00Was the increase in the judges' salaries and allowances...
00:05...a result of a lack of time or a failure of the government?
00:12In the name of God.
00:14I would like to tell you about Abid Zubairi.
00:19The KPK minister gave 23 crore rupees...
00:22...before my election.
00:26He distributed the money among the office-bearers of the KPK.
00:32He distributed 3 crore rupees in Lahore.
00:35When Abid Zubairi and his group were present there...
00:39...he used the same slogan and told people...
00:42...whether they were voting for or against the 26th amendment.
00:47The Supreme Court's lawyer is very mature.
00:50Abid Zubairi is smiling.
00:53You are saying that...
00:56Was the money given under the table or was it given properly?
01:01The money was given properly. There are photos of it.
01:04There is a photograph of it. I will give it to him if he wants it.
01:09He will give it to you. He is asking for it.
01:10He is not asking for money. He is asking for a photograph.
01:12He is not asking for money.
01:18So, 23 crore rupees were distributed.
01:20And how much did Azam Tarar give?
01:23He gave the same amount to Multan and Bahawalpur.
01:28Is there any account of this, Mr. Tarar?
01:31How much did Mr. Tarar give?
01:33No, there is no such thing.
01:36I am talking about charity.
01:39There was a programme to distribute the money.
01:43There is no hidden money. I am talking about it.
01:46What do you say about the increase in the salaries of the judges?
01:50I request Mr. Zubairi...
01:55...that the people who are challenging the 26th amendment...
01:57...why aren't they challenging the increase in the salaries of the judges?
02:02You are the president. You are the president.
02:05Did you hear the answer, Mr. Atta?
02:07He is saying that you are the president. You challenge it.
02:10I am challenging the amendment. I am saying that it is fine.
02:13The parliament has passed the amendment.
02:17It is a part of the constitution.
02:20It is a part of a party.
02:23It is not a part of a lawyer. I am telling you.
02:27Okay.
02:29There is no ambiguity in this.
02:31Article 191A...
02:34...also defines the constitutional bench.
02:38It also defines the nature of the cases.
02:41The constitutionality of law...
02:43...and the substantive question of law with reference to the interpretation of the constitution...
02:47...will go there.
02:49The pending cases of the original jurisdiction will go there.
02:55The appeals and review applications...
02:58...with reference to the enforcement of the fundamental rights...
03:02...or the decisions of the high court...
03:06...in which the explanation of the constitution is necessary...
03:10...will also go there.
03:12Do you think it is right to increase the judge's salary, Mr. Rauf Atta?
03:19I think that...
03:22...if you look at the state bank governor...
03:26...and the high-ranking officials...
03:32...they are very different.
03:34But I personally think that there should not have been an increase...
03:38...because Pakistan is a poor country.
03:4070% of its population lives below the poverty line.
03:44Every child is in debt of Rs. 300,000.
03:46I think that the judges should also protest and not accept this.
03:51He has given his statement.
03:53You are saying that he is challenging this.
03:56But you are not agreeing with him on the other issue that he is praising.
04:01Is it a good thing to increase the judge's salary or is it a bad thing?
04:05Look, if the salary increases in the normal course, then it is fine.
04:13But as the president said, the state of the country...
04:17...but if you tie it in...
04:19Now that you have got a statement from the president, you are going to beat him.
04:22The president is saying that the salary has increased wrongly.
04:24No, I am not talking about that. I am against it.
04:27Look, I am talking about the situation.
04:29Increasing the salary by giving the 26th amendment...
04:32...has clipped the powers of the judges and has made the judiciary its own.
04:36What was the meaning of increasing the salary at this time?
04:39Are you giving them an incentive to make decisions in our favor?
04:45Look, don't do it like this.
04:46Look, we are against the amendment.
04:49There is no agenda of any political party.
04:51We don't have an agenda from a political party.
04:54I was in a program today and a JUI officer said...
04:56...that the president was from his party.
04:59I found out today.
05:01So...
05:02So, anyone can have any relationship.
05:05No, look, there is no agenda. We are saying that we have challenged.
05:08No, but...
05:09Mr. Rahul, did you go to Mr. Manohar's party earlier?
05:12Yes, he told me today in the program.
05:14So, Mr. Manohar is from your party today?
05:16I am a JUI officer.
05:19But I am sitting here as a Wakala representative.
05:21Yes, you are a Wakala representative.
05:23Sir, he is still saying that he is a Wakala representative.
05:25I will talk about the constitution. I will talk about the law.
05:27Yes, we are also talking about the constitution.
05:29And he is saying that he is taking the agenda of a political party.
05:31The political party will take its own agenda.
05:33Whatever political party it is.
05:35Here he is saying that we think that if the constitution is destroyed...
05:38...then there will be separation of powers.
05:40Look, in favour of the constitution, Mr. Hamid Khan's party, Mr. Gauhar's party...
05:44...Salman Akram Raja's party was also there.
05:47They were also playing the role of friendly opposition there.
05:50But Mr. Abid, this is from Mr. Maulana's party.
05:52So, Mr. Maulana is on your side.
05:54Mr. Maulana is not tired of praising the PTI.
05:58The political relationship that you are taunting him about...
06:01...that political party is on your side.
06:03This is not my job. I didn't know that...
06:05Okay, the one you are referring to.
06:07You referred to him because he is on your side.
06:09If that is the case, it should be good news for you.
06:11I am saying that you are also a member of that party.
06:13You are Maulana's soldier.
06:15He didn't even come to 26th. He said that he supported it a lot.
06:18He said that the constitutional bench should be made right.
06:20The best judges should be included. I was talking about that.
06:23The political party has a personal relationship with him.
06:27But what you are saying that the constitutional amendment is right or wrong...
06:31...you are saying that it is right and I am saying that it is wrong.
06:33There is a case in the court. The court should decide...
06:35...whether what they say is right or what we say is right.
06:37See, under Article 249, there was the power of the parliament.
06:43They passed it. It became a part of the constitution.
06:47The implementation of it also started.
06:49The judicial commission also formed a constitutional bench.
06:53The judges who were very competent and had integrity became its members.
06:58My purpose of writing this letter today was that the press release...
07:02...should start its work as soon as possible.
07:05So that this matter can be brought to the people as soon as possible.
07:10Thank you very much, sir.
07:11Both of you have done a great job.