El actor cuenta su experiencia tras ser asaltado por dos motociclistas. Los vecinos lo ayudaron en el momento y reflexiona sobre el incremento del delito, destacando la falta de consecuencias para los delincuentes jóvenes.
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00:00I'm fine, I'm fine.
00:03Yes, yes, I had the help of the neighbors who all jumped.
00:07And I have to thank them for the good disposition and the solidarity they have been with me.
00:14Well, it's a neighborhood that I've been here for many years.
00:17Where are you? Tell me how it was.
00:19That people know me.
00:21I'm in Spadua.
00:23Monteverde.
00:24I was coming to my house and I actually live in Palermo and I also live here.
00:30I'm in both places.
00:33I live there in America, half a block.
00:37And I'm coming here, I'm getting on the motorcycle.
00:41Well, they weren't coming, they were coming.
00:42And I saw that two motorcycles were coming and I said, no, I don't have to be so prejudiced.
00:46I slowed down.
00:47I said, well, there are things.
00:49But they crossed me on the motorcycle and then they started to attack me.
00:53To handcuff me, like, give me everything, give me everything, I don't know, the motorcycle.
00:56I threw the motorcycle so it wouldn't be easy.
01:01And they threatened me, but I didn't see a weapon, you know?
01:06And then he pushed one of them, I started fighting with the other.
01:10Well, it was a kind of situation there, random, of fighting and pushing motorcycles.
01:15When he got on, he threw my motorcycle so I couldn't take it.
01:18They got off, they choked me.
01:20I get up, I go back.
01:22Well, everything was like that.
01:23It was a second, but it was a lot of time for me.
01:26They hit me.
01:27Well, in fact, I got a ball in my hand.
01:29I have a couple of points in my lip.
01:32And anything could have happened, right?
01:33I had the helmet, that saved me.
01:35Yes, a foolishness, the truth.
01:37Then I regretted.
01:38You don't realize how you are going to act at that moment.
01:41You don't realize.
01:42One, the neighbors caught him and they arrested him.
01:44The neighbors caught him and they arrested him.
01:45Yes.
01:46But were they in an upset state?
01:47Yes.
01:48Do you think they weren't ...
01:49No, no, no, I didn't see that.
01:50No, no, no, I didn't see that.
01:51No, no, no, I didn't see that.
01:52In a natural stream.
01:53Obviously.
01:54They were screaming, but you saw how ...
01:55But I didn't see them, I didn't realize, I don't know.
01:58Maybe they were bluffing.
01:59The truth is that it didn't seem to me.
02:01Now, the first typical reaction is one, not wanting to give up on one's own.
02:05In this case, your motorcycle.
02:06In addition, you don't have to deal with this situation.
02:08But I say, you have to have much more repair for the next one.
02:11Because today they kill you for anything.
02:13We've been dealing with it on the show for a long time.
02:15No, you don't know.
02:16Well, my family, my daughters are very worried.
02:19And he tells me, Dad, don't you realize that today we would be watching you?
02:23You are an idiot.
02:24And I'm right.
02:25Yes, of course.
02:26Of course.
02:27I have the motorcycle insured.
02:28It's a good thing.
02:29Yes, yes.
02:30It's a stupidity.
02:31It's a stupidity.
02:32I totally regret it.
02:33Thank God you're okay.
02:34I'm very proud of that.
02:35But the insecurity doesn't stop.
02:36Yes, but you can see how she says.
02:37No, well, yes, it's very complicated.
02:39But everywhere is complicated, guys.
02:41It's a crazy thing.
02:42Today we were talking with colleagues that everything is very complicated.
02:45Very.
02:46The insecurity.
02:47It's not now.
02:48Now it's much more.
02:49It's worse.
02:50I notice that it's much more complicated.
02:52Because the promises in campaigns are wonderful.
02:55But then none of them are fulfilled.
02:57I'm not talking about this government alone.
02:59None of them fulfill the promises in campaigns.
03:01Yes.
03:02And this is worse.
03:03Yes, just as.
03:04A little bit that.
03:05But this is worse.
03:06Because they do nothing to make it worse.
03:07Because they do nothing to fight poverty.
03:09On the contrary.
03:10And poverty doesn't mean that all the poor are whores.
03:13But you have no choice but to go out to commit crimes to eat.
03:17Or what do you tell your children?
03:19With what face?
03:20Why do you dress up if you get home and you don't have anything to eat?
03:22Yes, to eat.
03:23What happens to me is that everything goes out of hand.
03:24It's what we were talking about.
03:25To eat, to drug yourself, to buy drugs, to sell things.
03:29Let's see, Sergio, what look do you have?
03:31Let's see.
03:32Do you think Bullrich's management is good?
03:36If you want, we can discuss Bullrich's management.
03:38And I would start by asking what management.
03:40Then, to analyze, we would have to take concrete questions.
03:45But this is a province, right?
03:47What?
03:48This is a province.
03:49But let's not forget that the crime of drug trafficking is a federal crime.
03:53But beyond all that, it seems to me that, and I say this because of all the cases that we solve every day in the province of Buenos Aires,
04:03those that we detain because they were stealing, none of them steal because they didn't have anything to eat.
04:08They steal because Argentina doesn't play.
04:10Because stealing is free.
04:12The truth is that.
04:13Stealing is free.
04:14And we enter the generation of a culture of theft.
04:17We enter the generation of violence.
04:20And we enter the neighborhood in the generation, if you don't go out to steal, you're not well seen in the neighborhood.
04:28I may be wrong, but it's my turn.
04:30In those small cores.
04:32That is, one does not see that the crime today is associated exclusively with the fact that I have no money to eat, I go out to steal.
04:42Yes, it is.
04:44But there are no new thieves, like new immigrants.
04:47But permanently.
04:48That has nothing to do with it.
04:49But it happens to me to see families near my house, families that are new immigrants.
04:53But permanently there is crime, permanently it continues to grow, and it continues to grow because, I repeat, it is free.
05:00Let's suppose today they arrested the one who robbed the man.
05:05There is a 19-year-old detainee.
05:0719 years.
05:08Look, put the stopwatch on now.
05:10Let's see how long it takes to get out.
05:13And what is worse.
05:15No, no.
05:16And what is worse.
05:17Not only that it comes out, but put the stopwatch on and see how long it takes to commit the same crime again.
05:24Nothing.
05:25So if we do not generate mechanisms to cut this cycle.
05:30What could be done?
05:31A lot can be done.
05:32But like what? Something like that. Summarize.
05:34This is a purely and exclusively judicial problem.
05:37It is the same as the discussion.
05:38The jails are crammed. Where do they put them?
05:40But it is not a question.
05:41Jails that would mean that there is no place.
05:42And the state has to solve it.
05:45It is impossible to hear that a person is not going to be arrested because there is no place.
05:52But it is also impossible to hear that a person is arrested and left in a jail like in a broken sack.
05:58In jail, what the criminal system has to solve is the resocialization of those people who commit crimes.
06:06So the criminal cycle is not fulfilled.
06:09It is not stopped. It is not resocialized.
06:12And every 10 prisoners who leave, 7 are reinstated.
06:14Because the reinsertion is failing.
06:18The whole system is failing.
06:19That is why I am saying that the problem is that the whole criminal system is totally outdated and obsolete.
06:26And that it has failed.
06:28And then there comes the discussion where all those who try to comment on security,
06:33comment on this is a police problem.
06:36No, it is not a police problem.
06:38This is not solved with more or less police.
06:40Obviously, the police is a link of that great circuit.
06:45But look, I'm going to give you an example.
06:47I don't want this to get out of hand. Sorry, Sergio.
06:50No, it's okay. I'm listening very carefully to what Bernie is saying.
06:56Stay with us.
06:58Look, and this has nothing to do with a bad idea of many problems of few.
07:05Look, to the point that those who believe that the problem is solved with more or less police,
07:11I'm going to give you a very clear example.
07:13In the province of Buenos Aires, it is 200 times larger than the city of Buenos Aires.
07:17In the city of Buenos Aires, you have one police officer per corner.
07:20In the province of Buenos Aires, one police officer every 80 blocks.
07:24There is a tremendous difference.
07:26If the problem were police, the statistics of a place and the province would be totally different.
07:32No, no, it is not reflected.
07:35It is not reflected in any parity.
07:41But in the province there is no more control, settlements, bunkers, etc.
07:46This is not a problem, it is not solved with more or less police.
07:48This is solved with a criminal system.
07:50Do you agree with what Waldo Wolf said,
07:52that he asked the police officers of the city that live in the province to put on their vests
07:56because they attack them or kill them in the province and not in the capital?
07:59Look, it seems to me that this has to do more with political issues.
08:02No, we are not going to agree.
08:04I invite you to come out with the camera out here.
08:09We are in the city of Buenos Aires.
08:11Ask the people what is happening with the insecurity in the city of Buenos Aires.
08:14It is exactly the same.
08:16The statistics vary, but it does not reflect that great difference.
08:23This is the burglar-robbery.
08:26They crossed a low-cylinder motorcycle.
08:28His is a Kawasaki 150.
08:30A high-cylinder motorcycle.
08:32Another motorcycle, obviously.
08:34Another cost.
08:36What the criminals see there is the price of resale quickly,
08:39or the waste for the car that has a lot of money left.
08:41But they see it alone.
08:43They don't give them anything, because they need to steal several times.
08:45Look at the precariousness of that crime, that they don't even have weapons.
08:51They realize that the crime is becoming more precarious,
08:55the crime is becoming more amateur,
08:57which is also a danger,
08:59because the more precarious and amateur it is,
09:01those who carry weapons end up killing without wanting to have killed.
09:05It's almost like a gun.
09:07They come out with a gun, Sergio.
09:09It's very dangerous.
09:11They know they can kill.
09:13What is happening now is that that amateur crime has increased,
09:18that unprofessional crime,
09:20which is much more dangerous than those who are professional criminals,
09:26with a lot of expertise,
09:28because these people get to have a gun.
09:30In that reaction, they end up killing the victims.
09:32The great work of the production is to get the video.
09:34We are watching the video where they attack you, where they hit you.
09:37Are there any words that cross you in the middle of the threat,
09:40even if you don't see a weapon?
09:42Is there a death threat or something?
09:44Kill him, kill him.
09:46Kill him, kill him, and they put their hand on his waist,
09:48but I realized they weren't armed.
09:50He had nothing.
09:54Can I say something?
09:58Because I was listening to Sergio Berni,
10:00and what he was saying, and what he was saying fully coincided.
10:02Because I tell you,
10:04even I live, as I told you before,
10:06in Palermo and I live here.
10:08I live half the week here, half there.
10:10I come and go.
10:12I'm from Merlo, I know the neighborhood,
10:14I have a lot of streets, I have a lot of routes.
10:16And it's true, guys, here it's totally different.
10:18You see here,
10:20the police that they do here in the province,
10:24they get here, they stay for a while,
10:26because if they don't,
10:28the cops know they're here.
10:30I was talking to the sub-commissioner
10:32here in Padua,
10:34and we were talking about that,
10:36because I see them, but it's not enough, guys.
10:38And I go to Palermo,
10:40they get here anyway, because there are millions of police cars,
10:42and there's a cop in every corner.
10:44I mean, it's not a police issue,
10:46it's a matter of justice, guys,
10:48because there is no justice.
10:50Because this guy,
10:52wait, let me finish.
10:54They say he's a rapist.
10:56They say he comes from a family of young workers.
10:58They put him like that, you see,
11:00these things that I can't...
11:02I can't say anything.
11:04That it was the first time he came out,
11:06he was disarmed.
11:08You could see he was a bit of a pervert,
11:10you see, that he didn't...
11:12that he came up without knowing...
11:14I don't know, I don't know.
11:16I think it's a matter, as Berni said here,
11:18of justice,
11:20of education,
11:22of family support for those who have these kids
11:24with these problems.
11:26Because they can't handle it,
11:28and there's no institution that can handle it, guys.
11:30Look, it's a big problem we have.
11:32A little bit of that I wanted to ask you.
11:34The person who is arrested, if I'm not mistaken, is 19 years old.
11:36Yes.
11:38What do you feel when you think about that, right?
11:40I mean, I know you also have
11:42teenage children,
11:44what goes through your head?
11:46It's a shame, I swear it's a shame.
11:48It's a shame. When they had him there,
11:50they wanted to lynch him.
11:52I was one of those who said, guys, don't touch him,
11:54don't touch him, he's a little kid, don't touch him.
11:56Besides, you're going to get hurt
11:58because something happens to the kid,
12:00and we have a case,
12:02today we would be talking about something else,
12:04or if they had hit him with the car
12:06and the little kid fell on his head, he kills himself.
12:08And today we have a mess,
12:10the family is destroyed,
12:12the kid's family is destroyed,
12:14the family that carries him in front is destroyed.
12:16All because of a stupidity of a motorcycle
12:18that, I'm sure,
12:20I was the one who faced it,
12:22I shouldn't have done it,
12:24my daughters screwed me up, I don't understand,
12:26it was a reaction that is not right,
12:28it was my nature, let's say.
12:30Yes, it's fine.
12:32It's not good, you see, because anything could have happened.
12:34So we have to see that too,
12:36guys, we have to go a little more,
12:38we have to scratch a little more
12:40so that this doesn't happen.
12:42Well, you can't blame yourself, Ale,
12:44because it's something that came out of you.
12:46I blame myself.
12:48Yes, I blame myself for my reactions,
12:50yes, I blame myself for that.
12:52It was a stupidity.
12:54I shouldn't have reacted like that.
12:56I should have said, stay on the motorcycle,
12:58take it, bye.
13:00To avoid all kinds of mess.
13:02Yes, of course. Thank you very much,
13:04Mercedes Mora, for being there.
13:06Yes, thank you, Mechi.
13:08Thank you very much.
13:10Look, if you want ...
13:12Insecurity, I think it's the biggest problem
13:14that Argentina has today.
13:16If you want to understand what's going on,
13:18follow this case, follow it.
13:20It is a clear example of the disaster
13:22that is the fighting system in Argentina.
13:24Follow it.
13:26Let's see, the 19-year-old boy
13:28is going to be released in a short time.
13:30And that boy has no dreams,
13:32he has no future.
13:34Why not?
13:36They will surely find the accomplice.
13:38Exactly the same thing will happen.