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00:00The endless war.
00:10East Asia is in a state of tension.
00:15And what will happen to the US-Japan relationship on the way back from the Trump era?
00:21In the age of turbulence, Japan desperately needs a foreign minister.
00:26That's right. The foreign minister will play that role.
00:33He's basically a smart person.
00:36He has a tough image.
00:39I think he's doing his job to maintain the relationship between Japan and the rest of the world.
00:45But now, a shocking book that shatters such an image has become the talk of the town.
00:51The title is The Fall of the Japanese Foreign Ministry.
00:55The author is Yamagami Shingo, the former Australian ambassador to the United States.
01:01He has proven that he is the best foreign minister in the world.
01:08I won't do it because I'll lose.
01:13In August of last year, China, which rebelled against the release of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant,
01:20stopped all imports of Japanese products.
01:24However, the foreign minister has been silent for some reason.
01:35According to Mr. Yamagami, it is because of the defeatism that he avoids the game from the beginning, saying that he may lose even if he resigns.
01:46Japan is in a state of chaos.
01:54The G7, which sought international humanitarian assistance in the attack on Gaza by Israel.
02:02Only Japan did not join this co-existence.
02:07The reason is that the Japanese have no harm.
02:12However, North Korea is seeking to participate in co-existence in non-co-existence countries.
02:21Mr. Yamagami grieves that he has no choice but to endanger his national interest.
02:28Why did the Japanese Foreign Ministry fall?
02:31The author, Mr. Yamagami, appears in anger.
02:38Hello.
02:40Today's theme is Japan's foreign ministry.
02:43Mr. Trump has returned in the US presidential election.
02:46Mr. Majima, will the US foreign ministry change significantly?
02:50It will change significantly.
02:52It is an image that the black will turn white in the Othello game.
02:56The foreign ministry of the next year will be the foreign ministry of trade.
03:00Today's theme is that Japan's foreign ministry will be tested.
03:04Unfortunately, today's theme is the deterioration of Japanese foreign ministry.
03:10We have to do something about it.
03:13As you said, the foreign ministry is important.
03:18However, Japan's foreign ministry is deteriorating.
03:23Mr. Yamagami, who was the ambassador of the United States,
03:28explained this in his book.
03:30Mr. Yamagami, why did Japan's foreign ministry deteriorate?
03:37I couldn't help writing this book.
03:44However, I want to emphasize that this is not just a cover story.
03:52I want to make Japan's foreign ministry stronger.
03:56I want to develop a powerful foreign ministry.
04:00I want to spread the spirit of foreign ministry to the world.
04:04I want to make Japan's foreign ministry stronger.
04:07You want to make Japan's foreign ministry stronger.
04:09Because Japan's foreign ministry is deteriorating.
04:11I want Japan's foreign ministry to be stronger.
04:16I want to make Japan's foreign ministry stronger.
04:20Mr. Honda, what is the image of the foreign ministry?
04:23Japan's foreign ministry is a cool, sharp, and tough country.
04:28Mr. Yamagami, he is my classmate from the same year as me.
04:31Well, I have a lot of classmates who are wearing GATA.
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05:36The other thing is, let's stop the personal attacks.
05:40You thought you were going to be criticized, didn't you?
05:43That's what you've been saying.
05:45But the more you say that, the more I feel like I have to do this.
05:49I'm not talking about personal attacks.
05:51This is a public offence.
05:53It's a public offence.
05:56After all, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a public offence,
05:59so it shouldn't be left as it is now.
06:03If you're in a position where you have to take responsibility,
06:09you've already been criticized.
06:12The people below you don't criticize you.
06:15But if you don't do that,
06:17the Ministry of Foreign Affairs won't change.
06:20I was conscious that it wouldn't change.
06:23First of all, is Japan's foreign policy really deteriorating?
06:27You know the foreign policy with that country, right?
06:30Let's take a look at whether Japan is doing what it should be doing.
06:45China's provocation to threaten Japan
06:48escalated further in August this year.
06:52For the first time in two minutes,
06:54the Chinese military's first air-to-air missile.
06:59This is an information-gathering device of the Chinese military
07:02that invaded the airspace of Japan.
07:05The antenna is attached to the arrowhead.
07:11This military aircraft approaching the airspace of Nagasaki
07:15began to turn in a man-woman battle.
07:20The Self-Defense Force sent a scramble
07:23and warned that it was approaching the airspace.
07:29For about two minutes,
07:31Japan's airspace was judged.
07:35This was the first air-to-air judgment by a Chinese military aircraft.
07:40When it left the airspace,
07:42it turned again and left.
07:47What was the purpose?
08:02What does China think about this?
08:07There is no intention to invade any country's airspace.
08:13But just four days later,
08:17the Chinese Navy's speedy ship
08:20invaded the waters of Yakushima in Kagoshima Prefecture.
08:26It continued sailing for about two hours.
08:31The speedy ship's role is to collect data
08:34such as the sea level and tidal current
08:37necessary for a submarine to pass through.
08:41Did they allow the military to investigate?
08:47This is not the only concern China has.
08:51Two months after that tragedy.
08:58Two months after that tragedy.
09:01A half-day long story?
09:05This September,
09:07a Japanese student was stabbed to death
09:10while he was attending a Japanese school
09:13in Shenzhen, south of China.
09:17Two months after the tragedy,
09:20the 44-year-old innocent man was found guilty,
09:23but the Chinese government has yet to reveal
09:26the motive for the crime.
09:30This is a serious matter.
09:33It is impossible for the government
09:36to reveal the motive for the crime
09:39without considering the consequences.
09:46In Shenzhen, also known as the Silicon Valley of China,
09:503,600 Japanese people live there.
09:54They say they are forced to live a life of anxiety
09:57while being subject to information control.
10:00They are afraid to go out
10:03and play with their children.
10:06They are afraid to go out
10:09and play with their children.
10:12They are afraid to go out
10:15and play with their children.
10:20The social media is what makes them even more anxious.
10:24Destroying Japan is the best thing for humanity.
10:31Japanese devils go to hell.
10:35These anti-Japanese comments
10:38have become the talk of the town.
10:42It's been two months since the Japanese student was killed.
10:45The Chinese government has yet to reveal
10:48the motive for the crime.
10:51In Shenzhen, the anti-Japanese comments
10:54are still the talk of the town.
10:57Mr. Kondo, what do you think?
11:00I think there is a reason why China
11:03cannot reveal the motive for the crime.
11:06From China's perspective,
11:09there are only two reasons.
11:12The Japanese hate the anti-Japanese.
11:15Or maybe they are frustrated and want to be indifferent.
11:18There should be a clear resolution
11:21to this issue.
11:44It is unclear
11:47I understand that this is a serious problem, but Yamagami-san, do you think there was a problem with Japan's foreign policy?
11:53In my opinion, this is the responsibility of the Chinese side because it is the safety of the Japanese people as a foreign country.
12:01First of all, I have to ask about that.
12:03However, I think there were a lot of things that the Japanese side could not do at the same time.
12:09There was a foreshadowing.
12:12This is not the first incident of discrimination.
12:15In Sochi, Japanese people were discriminated against twice,
12:20and the second time, Chinese women who tried to protect them died.
12:26There was an incident like this.
12:28Then, for example, the Chinese ambassador in the Middle East said,
12:31If Japan supports Taiwan's independence, Japanese people will be brought into the fire.
12:38He said something that a foreign country could not think of.
12:43Or he said that he would be buried and exhumed at Yasukuni Shrine.
12:46If you look at this series of sequences, you have to be careful.
12:55This incident happened on September 18th.
12:57September 18th is the day of shame for China.
13:03On that day, the Japanese side could not put more restrictions.
13:08I think there are a lot of things to reflect on in order to leave it as a lesson for the future.
13:15The deterioration of Japan's foreign exchange, which is the theme of today's program, has also appeared here.
13:19Yes, it has.
13:21And on the other hand,
13:23we saw the VTR of the Ryoku trial and the Ryokai invasion.
13:28I'd like to ask Mr. Inoue about the response at this time.
13:31For example, if you try to make it a score, it may be difficult, but how many points do you get?
13:36I got 0 points.
13:38Mr. Inoue, I think some people may think that the plane was just flying for two minutes.
13:44What does this mean?
13:46You can get enough information in these two minutes.
13:50In other words, when the Ryokai invasion took place,
13:52there was a defense base of the U.S. Navy,
13:58a defense base of the Marine Corps,
14:00a pursuit base of the Air Self-Defense Force,
14:02and a New Tamriel base.
14:04These are the main bases that protect the southwestern region.
14:07It's enough for two minutes to see what kind of movement they're going to make.
14:11This is the information collection of China that was supposed to be a Taiwan incident.
14:16The biggest problem is the response of the Japanese government to the Ryokai invasion and the Ryokai trial so far.
14:28As Mr. Kamikawa said in the VTR earlier,
14:30how do you protect the Ryokai invasion and the Ryokai trial?
14:36Another thing is to be calm.
14:40She uses this word.
14:42To be calm and to react appropriately.
14:45She's not lying about anything.
14:48She can't do anything.
14:50The Foreign Minister has already said this internally and externally.
14:54Mr. Yamamoto, you said to be calm and to react appropriately.
14:57I'll ask you that.
14:59So what's actually going on at the scene of the Ryokai trial?
15:02I think the words of a politician who reads a 100-person script as it is are really all over the place.
15:09Then Mr. Kamikawa, please call the Chinese ambassador.
15:12Then call the Chinese Foreign Minister and make a strong request.
15:17That's what I want to say.
15:19So when you say the deterioration of foreign affairs,
15:21it's not just the Foreign Ministry's office.
15:23It's a problem of the entire Japanese Foreign Ministry, including politicians.
15:26Mr. Inoue said something really good earlier.
15:29The Ryokai trial is a parallel story to the Ryokai invasion.
15:34The first Ryokai invasion was in 2008.
15:37It was only around Senkaku.
15:39Since then, China has become a state that has entered the Ryokai.
15:42Once you come and try it,
15:44if you say it's not a big deal, it will come more and more.
15:47I'm worried that the same thing will be repeated at the Ryokai trial.
15:51You can't call for it.
15:53You can't get angry at your opponent with such a strong attitude.
15:58It's not about being strong at all.
16:00It's international common sense.
16:02It's a normal way of doing foreign affairs.
16:04For example, let me give you an example.
16:06After Mr. Abe took over as prime minister,
16:08he said that Taiwan friendship is a friendship between Japan and the United States.
16:13At that time, China was furious.
16:15At midnight in Beijing,
16:17I called for the Japanese ambassador, Mr. Tarumi.
16:20That's what I do.
16:22So when there's a problem,
16:24I call the ambassador of the other country to the Foreign Affairs Bureau.
16:29This is a normal way of doing foreign affairs.
16:32Why don't you do it?
16:34That's what I'm saying.
16:36It was the same at this time,
16:38and it was the same at the Shinsen murder case.
16:41Foreign ministers don't move at all.
16:44I was told by an ambassador in Tokyo in Southeast Asia
16:47why Japan's reaction is so weak.
16:51Even if you look at it from the third country's perspective, Japan's reaction is too weak.
16:54I was also very concerned about the Shinsen case.
16:58I still feel angry.
17:01For example, even if the prime minister didn't say it directly,
17:05if it's an international treaty or international law violation,
17:08for example, between Japan and China,
17:10there is a treaty on cooperation in criminal investigation.
17:14There is a treaty on police cooperation.
17:17If you don't provide such information and cooperate in criminal investigation,
17:22it's a violation of international law.
17:24Even if you didn't say it directly to China,
17:27I think you could have done it in a foreign way.
17:33As you said,
17:35why is Japan so quiet this year?
17:37There are two fronts when you say it's quiet.
17:40One is good for China,
17:42and the other is good for international society.
17:45There are these two fronts,
17:47but Japan's current foreign policy is weak on both fronts.
17:50Japan is reluctant to cooperate with China.
17:52Perhaps Xi Jinping and former President Kishida
17:57and now President Ishiba
17:59want to have a meeting with China.
18:01I think there is a reason why Japan's foreign policy has become quiet
18:05after receiving instructions from the emperor
18:07not to make a conflict with China.
18:11Mr. Yamagami,
18:13in your book,
18:15there is a shocking story about China's foreign policy.
18:19It says that the Chinese president of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
18:22works for China.
18:24Is this true?
18:26It's true.
18:27I still remember it well.
18:30It was in 2003 or 2004,
18:32so it's been over 20 years since then.
18:35At that time, I was in charge of economic relations
18:37between Japan and the United States.
18:40But the opinion of the two countries was different.
18:43I had to negotiate with the two presidents.
18:45So I went to China at night
18:47and did it in front of other members.
18:50Then I heard that the two presidents of the United States
18:52work for the United States,
18:54and the Chinese president works for China.
18:56How did that happen?
18:58I don't think there is a concept of national interest.
19:03I think that the Chinese president works to maintain
19:06good relations between Japan and China
19:09as soon as he becomes the president of China.
19:12You mean to make sure that nothing happens?
19:14Yes, to make sure that nothing happens.
19:16I think that the word national interest and patriotism
19:19are a little confusing.
19:21There are a lot of people who think that
19:24it is foreign policy to maintain good relations
19:27with the other country in front of them.
19:29That's deep.
19:30It's deep.
19:31Does that mean that Japan is weak against China?
19:36I don't think it's just against China.
19:39As Mr. Zumi said, it's a little deep.
19:41Today, everyone is in trouble
19:43with the atmosphere of being in trouble
19:46without being able to be a versus,
19:48but why is Japan's foreign policy
19:51really deteriorating?
19:57One of the reasons Mr. Yamagami pointed out
20:00is the exchange of information.
20:04Mr. Honda, you did some research.
20:06How many are there in the world?
20:08Yes, please take a look at this.
20:11Exchanges of information are
20:13233 places around the world
20:15in Japan's embassies, consulates, and government offices.
20:24It can be said that it is a network of information collection
20:26that has spread all over the world,
20:29but Mr. Yamagami said
20:31that this function is deteriorating.
20:36In the process of foreign exchange,
20:38parties and dinners are held
20:40to invite local foreigners.
20:44In order to build human relations,
20:46the so-called pure oil is
20:49cooking.
20:52The one waving his arm is the emperor's cook.
20:56Hello, my name is Shugo Ito,
20:58and I am the emperor's cook.
21:00I am the chef of a restaurant
21:02in Vietnam called
21:04Zai Danang.
21:06In terms of providing hospitality
21:08in a special situation
21:10that can't be provided
21:12in a normal restaurant or hotel,
21:14it is an experience that can only be obtained
21:16by the emperor's cook.
21:19But after this,
21:21a surprising word came out.
21:25In other words,
21:27the emperor's cook is treated
21:29like a treasure trove.
21:32What do you mean by a treasure trove?
21:41Danang, the city in the middle of Vietnam.
21:45Mr. Ito Shingo is working as an emperor's cook
21:49in a special situation
21:51that can't be provided
21:53in a normal restaurant or hotel.
21:55In terms of providing hospitality
21:57in a special situation
21:59that can't be provided
22:01in a normal restaurant or hotel,
22:03it is an experience that can only be obtained
22:05by the emperor's cook.
22:07The workplace is the emperor's house
22:09where the emperor's wife lives.
22:11Here, parties and dinners are held
22:13once or twice a week
22:15to invite foreign people.
22:17Mr. Ito is the only one
22:19to prepare the course meal
22:21from the preparation to the course meal.
22:25This is Aozora Ichiba.
22:27Local ingredients such as fish and vegetables
22:29are sold here.
22:31Of course, you have to be careful
22:33about the freshness.
22:35Of course, it's a young man.
22:39What kind of food is made
22:41with the ingredients acquired locally?
22:43Western cuisine is his specialty.
22:45He is particular about
22:47being an emperor's cook.
22:49I'm often told that I'm a food foreigner,
22:51but foreign guests
22:53always feel Japan
22:55in the course meal,
22:57such as the ingredients,
22:59servings,
23:01and desserts,
23:03such as wabi-sabi,
23:05and fuze.
23:07I'm trying to make it
23:09so that you can feel
23:11it.
23:13We believe that
23:15Japanese people
23:17are becoming more and more
23:19like an emperor's cook.
23:21However, when I proceeded with the interview,
23:23I was surprised.
23:25When I listened to the stories
23:27of people who have been
23:29with me in the past,
23:31I found that
23:33Japanese people
23:35are becoming more and more
23:37like an emperor's cook.
23:39According to Mr. Yamagami,
23:41this is because
23:43the number of parties and meals
23:45are decreasing.
23:47What is a party?
23:49It's a very important thing.
23:51It's a part of collecting information.
23:53For example,
23:55it's not a sweet story
23:57where you can go to
23:59the other person's office
24:01and ask for information.
24:03First of all,
24:05you need to build a trust relationship.
24:07For that purpose,
24:09you need to invite people
24:11to Japanese food,
24:13drink alcohol,
24:15and have fun.
24:17Then you build a trust relationship.
24:19Then you can get information
24:21that you can't get
24:23anywhere else.
24:25In that sense,
24:27Mr. Ito used the word
24:29treasure,
24:31but it's a good picture.
24:33The emperor's cook
24:35is a treasure that supports
24:37Japanese people.
24:39We live in a good place
24:41with a good driver
24:43and a good car.
24:45I don't know if he's playing golf,
24:47but he's playing with
24:49an upper-class person.
24:51He's probably in a private house.
24:53He's in a country
24:55where there's a lot of
24:57foreign exchange.
24:59He's at the top.
25:01But it's meaningful
25:03to be there.
25:05It makes me feel good.
25:07If I do it every day,
25:09my stomach hurts.
25:11Most of the meals
25:13served at the emperor's palace
25:15are the same menu.
25:17I eat the same food
25:19over and over again.
25:21I can't live without
25:23the medicine.
25:25Mr. Yamagami wrote
25:27in his book
25:29that there are emperor's cooks
25:31who are hired by the emperor
25:33and cook only for the emperor.
25:35Is that true?
25:37The cooking system
25:39is a very good system.
25:41When the emperor
25:43or prime minister
25:45goes abroad,
25:47the emperor's cook
25:49pays a certain amount
25:51at a high cost.
25:53In my case,
25:55I paid one-third
25:57of the cooking bill
25:59with pocket money
26:01The most important thing
26:03is that they are
26:05emperor's cooks.
26:07They are not
26:09prime minister's cooks.
26:11So it's a good idea
26:13to make private meals.
26:15The most important job
26:17they should do
26:19is to serve
26:21the guests
26:23who come to
26:25the emperor's palace.
26:27The main part
26:29is to serve
26:31the guests who come
26:33to the emperor's palace.
26:35Even if they don't
26:37meet the standard,
26:39the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs
26:41doesn't say anything?
26:43I don't think
26:45there is a rule of law.
26:47However,
26:49if you don't do it,
26:51you have to be careful
26:53to do it more.
26:55For example,
26:57from the perspective of
26:59the prime minister,
27:01I understand that
27:03the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs
27:05is a network of information.
27:07How did you see it?
27:09Mr. Ishihara,
27:11when I was young,
27:13I thought
27:15it was necessary
27:17to work
27:19as a prime minister.
27:21For example,
27:23it's the same in Japan.
27:25In Japan,
27:27there are some people
27:29who are stupid
27:31to eat and drink
27:33in the related industries.
27:35But if you talk about it
27:37with your heart,
27:39you can draw out
27:41the economic and industrial
27:43industries.
27:45If you do this,
27:47you can go to this country
27:49and invest in this country
27:51and bring the Japanese economy
27:53to this country.
27:55Why are there so few parties?
27:57Is there no energy
27:59to get information
28:01from other people?
28:03In the first place,
28:05isn't that
28:07what you're talking about?
28:09Why is that?
28:11It's a compound effect.
28:13There's no energy.
28:15It's tiring.
28:17It's hard to call people.
28:19It's hard.
28:21It takes a lot of time
28:23and effort.
28:25As you said,
28:27even if you do that,
28:29Tokyo won't appreciate it.
28:31That's the way
28:33people think.
28:35If that's the case,
28:37it's ridiculous to do it.
28:39It's serious,
28:41but it's not just
28:43the party and dinner
28:45at the Taishi Bureau.
28:47The deterioration
28:49of information
28:51is happening.
28:53Information?
28:55For example,
28:57the human relations
28:59of foreign people
29:01in your own country.
29:03Or, to put it more simply,
29:05when Russia is going to
29:07invade Ukraine.
29:09That kind of thing.
29:11Take this as information
29:13and send it as a telegram
29:15from the embassy
29:17to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
29:19That's right.
29:21It's also called a telegram.
29:23It's like a big artery
29:25of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
29:27It's decreasing.
29:29That's right.
29:31There's a lot of information
29:33gathering,
29:35so there's nothing to give to the government.
29:37That's why the basic operation
29:39of going out,
29:41creating human relations,
29:43and collecting information
29:45is not a cost-cutting issue.
29:47There's no incentive.
29:49When I was at the embassy,
29:51it was really strange.
29:53For example,
29:55when I thought that
29:57Australians would eat lunch
29:59at the Embassy of Canberra,
30:01a large number of foreign officials,
30:03including young people
30:05from the Ministry of Finance,
30:07were staying in their rooms
30:09and eating sandwiches.
30:11So, the answer to the training
30:13of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
30:15was given on their computers.
30:17Or, when they were introduced
30:19to the Australian side,
30:21they sent an email.
30:23So, the basic operation
30:25of going out,
30:27meeting, and eating
30:29is really decreasing.
30:31If a foreign official does it,
30:33it really damages
30:35the national interest of Japan.
30:37That's right.
30:39But it's not evaluated.
30:41I don't think so.
30:43In Tokyo,
30:45there are less and less opportunities
30:47for people of elite rank
30:49to experience foreign exchange.
30:51So, they can become
30:53an official without foreign exchange.
30:55That's the most surprising thing.
30:57So, they don't know
30:59how to do the job of an ambassador.
31:01So, it's not elite to go out
31:03and do foreign exchange.
31:05That's what I thought
31:07when I joined the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
31:09So, the people in the center
31:11of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
31:13don't go out.
31:15They stay in Japan.
31:17So, it's an internal exchange,
31:19not an external exchange.
31:21I thought a lot about
31:23why Japan's foreign exchange
31:25is deteriorating.
31:27So, I visited
31:29the U.S. Foreign Office
31:31in Nagoya.
31:33Then, I saw
31:35another weakness
31:37of the U.S. Foreign Office.
31:39Good morning.
31:41Good morning.
31:43Nice to meet you.
31:45Anna Wansai
31:47has been living in Nagoya
31:49since July this year.
31:51Actually,
31:53she is
31:55the head of
31:57the U.S. Foreign Office
31:59in Nagoya.
32:01This time,
32:03the camera
32:05is on.
32:13What on earth
32:15is the U.S. Foreign Office doing?
32:21Passing through the strict security,
32:23I peeped into
32:25the room of Anna,
32:27the head of the U.S. Foreign Office.
32:29She is in the middle
32:31of a remote meeting.
32:33She was talking about
32:35the support of Japanese students
32:37at a university in the U.S.
32:53The role of the U.S. Foreign Office
32:55is not only to support the students.
32:57They send
32:59private companies and young people
33:01to the U.S.
33:03and provide opportunities
33:05for them to learn about
33:07cyber security.
33:09The goal of this program
33:11is to strengthen
33:13the U.S.-Japan alliance
33:15in the future.
33:23Anna's mission
33:25is to strengthen
33:27the U.S.-Japan alliance
33:29in the future.
33:31In order to do that,
33:33she needs to know
33:35more about the U.S.
33:37Foreign Office.
33:39This is
33:41Ikebana's experience.
33:43It's important
33:45to know
33:47about other countries
33:49as well as
33:51the U.S.
33:57She expresses
33:59the autumn of Japan
34:01while being confused
34:03about her first experience.
34:05But it's not
34:07over just yet.
34:13I'm going to post
34:15a photo of my Ikebana lesson
34:17on social media.
34:19I'm going to select
34:21a photo.
34:23Ah, this is good.
34:27She uses social media
34:29to spread information.
34:33People who think
34:35that the U.S.
34:37Foreign Office
34:39is in Nagoya
34:41are probably watching
34:43this video on YouTube.
34:45So I'm going to
34:47spread information
34:49about the U.S.
34:51through social media.
34:53It's important.
34:55However,
34:57according to Mr. Yamagami,
34:59the U.S.
35:01Foreign Office
35:03is very limited in Japan.
35:05Collecting information
35:07and spreading information
35:09is the job
35:11of the U.S.
35:13Foreign Office.
35:15Spreading information
35:17to resonate
35:19with the hearts
35:21of people
35:23is the job
35:25of the U.S.
35:27Foreign Office.
35:29Ms. Anna Wang,
35:31we interviewed you
35:33on VTR.
35:35There are 13,000
35:37followers on Twitter.
35:39I was surprised.
35:41There are less than 500 followers
35:43on Twitter.
35:45There are 27 followers
35:47on Twitter.
35:49One of them
35:51is the Japanese Embassy
35:53in Qatar.
35:55Qatar is an important
35:57important import
35:59for Japan.
36:03There are 186 followers
36:05on Twitter.
36:07I was surprised.
36:09There are 29 posts
36:11on Twitter.
36:13It's very active.
36:15However,
36:17there are less followers
36:19on Twitter.
36:21Compared to other
36:23embassies in Qatar,
36:25there are 23,000 followers
36:27in the U.K.
36:29and 12,000 followers
36:31in France.
36:33I understand
36:35that X is not everything.
36:37But it's a shock.
36:39I think it's a good thing.
36:41But why don't they
36:43make it happen?
36:45It makes me cry
36:47when I hear this.
36:49The Foreign Office
36:51is getting more and more
36:53conscious of using
36:55social media.
36:57They've been calling
36:59for it for a few years.
37:01However,
37:03they haven't been able
37:05to deliver it yet.
37:07What should the Japanese Embassy
37:09do?
37:11For example,
37:13if there is a request
37:15for an interview
37:17from the local newspaper
37:19or TV,
37:21they should respond.
37:23If they don't
37:25send it,
37:27the interview won't come.
37:29The Foreign Office
37:31is completely different
37:33from other financial agencies.
37:35They are trying to hide it.
37:37Other agencies
37:39exchange information
37:41and send it.
37:43But the Foreign Office
37:45is trying to hide it.
37:47It's difficult.
37:49It's hard to get
37:51the impression
37:53that the Foreign Office
37:55is taking a step.
37:57It's like
37:59listening to Zougenotou.
38:01It shouldn't be like that.
38:03The Foreign Office
38:05needs to deliver
38:07both domestically and
38:09internationally.
38:11Without the understanding
38:13and support of the people,
38:15a strong Foreign Office
38:17won't be able to do it.
38:19They are clearly
38:21lacking in efforts.
38:23They need to send
38:25a request for an interview.
38:27To be more specific,
38:29they are lacking in ability.
38:31Ability?
38:33They graduated from a top university
38:35with good grades.
38:37There are many smart people
38:39in Japan.
38:41There are many smart people,
38:43but there are no smart people.
38:47You mentioned smart people.
38:49I think it's related to
38:51the education system in Japan.
38:53You can study
38:55in the Foreign Office.
38:57You can study
38:59by memorizing
39:01what the teacher told you.
39:03But you need to think
39:05about the message
39:07and explain it to the other person.
39:09You need to make a lot of effort
39:11to do that.
39:13You need to pay a lot of money.
39:15You need to work hard.
39:17You can't say
39:19you are a hero
39:21even if you are in a difficult situation.
39:23You can't say
39:25you made a huge impact
39:27on Japan
39:29even if you are in a difficult situation.
39:31You have to
39:33aim for that.
39:35It's not a matter of money.
39:37It's a matter of
39:39doing something for a living.
39:41You have to start
39:43with that.
39:45Even if you are a member
39:47of the National Assembly,
39:49you have to start with that.
39:51When the CEO of Sony
39:53asked me if I wanted to be
39:55the British Ambassador,
39:57I said no,
39:59because it would
40:01reduce my salary.
40:03But now,
40:05if you want to make money,
40:07you don't have to
40:09become a diplomat.
40:11You just have to
40:13do a big job.
40:15If you want to be useful
40:17you have to do a big job.
40:19Are there fewer young people
40:21who want to be diplomats?
40:23Yes, there are fewer.
40:25What's more serious
40:27is that more and more people
40:29are quitting the job.
40:31Including the good people.
40:33The organization is...
40:35It's a mess inside.
40:37If you don't get a lot of people
40:39from outside,
40:41the organization will be
40:43out of breath.
40:45I saw people in their 20s
40:47and 30s and 40s
40:49and I wanted to be like them.
40:51But I was fired
40:53when I was 19.
40:55Let's leave my story aside.
40:57I think there are fewer people
40:59who want to be like these people.
41:01That's why...
41:03The role model.
41:05It's bad, but
41:07I'm in my late 50s,
41:09but I think it started
41:11with people a little older than me.
41:13There are young people
41:15who want to be like them.
41:17I don't know about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
41:19but the Ministry of Finance
41:21and the Ministry of Calculation
41:23have been quitting for 5 or 6 years.
41:25It's pretty serious.
41:27If you don't get a lot of people
41:29from outside,
41:31you have a lot of problems
41:33in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
41:35It's also related to politics.
41:37After the Cabinet and the Human Resources Bureau
41:39were established,
41:41people who are easy to use
41:43were put in the center of the organization.
41:45They wanted to be in Tokyo.
41:47When that happened,
41:49the officials
41:51started wagging their tails
41:53to the politicians.
41:55They were trying to match
41:57the political wind of the time.
41:59I think this has become a trend.
42:01Mr. Yamagami,
42:03I'm sure you think it's hard to use.
42:05I'm sorry.
42:07I think the more you bite,
42:09the harder it is to use.
42:11Mr. Maezuma,
42:13the Trump administration
42:15will be in office in January.
42:17The role of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
42:19will be very important.
42:21At first,
42:23it was just a game.
42:25But now,
42:27a lot of things have changed.
42:29Security guarantees
42:31are also a deal.
42:33You have to protect yourself.
42:35Otherwise,
42:37we have to say
42:39it's okay for the U.S.
42:41to have a more solid
42:43U.S.-U.S. alliance.
42:45Also,
42:47because it's Trump,
42:49there will be more tariffs.
42:51As an alliance,
42:53we have to say
42:55it's not right.
42:57Climate change
42:59will also change.
43:01There may be
43:03various opinions,
43:05but we have to say
43:07it's not right.
43:09It's important
43:11for the U.S.
43:13to know
43:15how the U.S.
43:17is doing
43:19and convince the U.S.
43:21and the domestic
43:23politicians.
43:25So,
43:27it's not good
43:29if the heroes
43:31don't come back.
43:33That's what I think.
43:35Can I say something?
43:37Yes.
43:39For 40 years,
43:41my relationship with foreign countries,
43:43especially the U.S. and China,
43:45has changed.
43:47I think the way
43:49Japanese people treat
43:51Americans has changed.
43:53There is no weird complex.
43:55I think that's the
43:57big difference.
43:59When baseball players,
44:01foreign players,
44:03and politicians
44:05are fighting,
44:07it's because they
44:09haven't fought in the world.