" Pegham Bhi Acha Nahi Ja Raha Ke Apna Karobar Durust Nahi Chala Satke Mulk Kaisay Chalayein Ge,"
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00:00Mr. Zubair, I have already discussed the bankruptcy of Mr. Hassan Nawaz in the opening and told you what it is.
00:08Politically, how damaging do you think it will be for Mr. Mian Nawaz or Mr. Mariam Nawaz?
00:17It will be damaging, because financially it will be damaging.
00:21As a political family, Mr. Mian Nawaz's son, Mr. Mariam Nawaz's brother, and his nephew, the Prime Minister, will have political implications.
00:39Let me tell you, the process has just begun, it has not ended yet.
00:47The declaration of bankruptcy is the start of the process.
00:50As we said, there is a political side to this.
00:54I was saying earlier that the address that has been written, even in the BBC story, in the court order, 17 or 18 Avanfield.
01:03As much as this Avanfield has been mentioned in politics, the same Avanfield comes back again and again in politics.
01:10Exactly, this is the point, Kashif.
01:13If this had been solved with great difficulty, and at that time, it is obvious that it was the decision of Mr. Hassan Nawaz and Mr. Hussain Nawaz that it should be registered offshore.
01:28Mr. Nawaz's decision, as far as I know, and as far as my inside information is concerned.
01:33So he was also obviously taken by surprise at what had been done.
01:37Mariam Nawaz was made a beneficiary, and her trust deed was signed, and so on and so forth.
01:43You know, everyone in Pakistan knows, how much high price they had to pay.
01:49Now, obviously, in the eyes of the common Pakistani, Allah has given you so much opportunity, you have such a great relationship with your family.
01:57You have come out of that difficult time.
02:01Now, again, you have created a problem.
02:03How much did Nawaz Sharif know about this bankruptcy?
02:06How much was Mr. Hassan Nawaz involved?
02:08By the way, do you think that Mr. Mian would know?
02:10You were in London.
02:11It is not possible that you live together and Mr. Mian does not know.
02:14No, this is the news of yesterday.
02:16So, obviously, Mr. Mian knows 100%.
02:18But, by the way, I was reading the BBC.
02:20This may be the news of May.
02:22This is not new.
02:24Yes, yes, yes.
02:26Now, how does the party reflect this?
02:30And then, how does it stop them from making more blunders?
02:34That what has happened for God, has happened.
02:37Because, do you remember what happened in Panama?
02:39Hussain Nawaz had given some interviews to pre-empt Javed Chaudhry.
02:43By the way, if history has proven one thing, none of these people should be given interviews.
02:47Every single interview has been proven harmful for the family.
02:52For example, Mrs. Maryam's statement that she does not have any property outside of Pakistan.
02:56Her statement that Hassan Nawaz lives on rent.
02:59Salman Shahbaz's statement that which heaven field apartment to bring and prove.
03:03And then, finally, in 2006, I bought this apartment.
03:07Alhamdulillah, Hussain Nawaz left.
03:09So, everyone's statement was a strange statement.
03:11Again, the point is that when Hussain Nawaz gave the interview, he is not a political person.
03:17He did not know about political sensitivity.
03:19What was he speaking?
03:21And getting everyone into trouble.
03:23Not just himself, but the rest of the family.
03:25Especially, his father who was Prime Minister at that time.
03:28So, these are very sensitive things.
03:31I am saying that how will they handle it?
03:33Like it will come in the newspapers.
03:35And they will go around the court.
03:37So, how does PTI use it?
03:43I don't think it can be used.
03:46Like I said, the line will be that you came to save the country from Diwali.
03:50Your Diwali is over.
03:52It's just a sentence.
03:54In Punjabi, it's called joking.
03:56But at the same time, it doesn't even give a good message.
03:59That if you don't have your own ability to manage your business.
04:04And you are declaring Diwali on your own.
04:07Sir, but in this, there is a saving grace of the Sharif family.
04:11They say that whoever has the new ability to run their business.
04:15The Diwali that is happening, we didn't even let it come close to politics.
04:18But in politics, I always used to say that when people used to say that
04:22Marusi politics and Mariam Nawaz is a beneficiary of Marusi politics.
04:27I used to say that Mariam Nawaz has also proved it.
04:30She came out in the most difficult time and showed her political capacity.
04:35Hussain Nawaz was also the son of Nawaz Sharif.
04:38Atal Nawaz was also there.
04:39Could he have done it? No, he couldn't.
04:41So, it is not necessary that you have done something inherent.
04:44So, you are a beneficiary of that because your father has a position.
04:51You have to prove yourself.
04:53And I think that Hassan and Hussain didn't have that ability at all.
04:57But still, there are many problems.
05:01There are many problems.
05:02Because of which it has come this far.
05:05The more money there is, the more problems there are.
05:09Sir, what a beautiful thing you have said.
05:12You will be blamed for that.
05:13The one who doesn't have money.
05:16Do you remember the first sentence of the judge?
05:19Behind every great fortune, there is a crime.
05:21You are saying that the one who has money, the problem is with him.
05:25It is obvious that you have plunged yourself into business.
05:30You have taken a lot of risks.
05:31Business is not without risk.
05:33So, that risk sometimes backfires.
05:38But when you are from a political family,
05:40and such a big political family,
05:41then you should not only think about yourself,
05:43but also your family and especially your father.
05:47You should think about it.
05:48But do you think that,
05:49Sir, I am sure that your father must have thought about it.
05:51This is a family decision.
05:53The whole family must have known that he is declaring bankruptcy.
05:56No, he must have known.
05:58But the business that he was doing,
06:01the family was not involved in every decision.
06:05He was in the property business,
06:07in a very high level property.
06:09In a very expensive property business.
06:11Yes, millions of pounds.
06:14We will try to contact Mr. Hassan Nawaz,
06:16so that he can come and tell us how much money he has.
06:20If he can come.
06:21But you are saying that it is a property worth millions of pounds.
06:24Yes, it is obvious.
06:25He must not have said that you and I have an FDR notice,
06:29worth 1,75,000.
06:31We declare bankruptcy.
06:34We are not rich, but we are good people.
06:42Thank you very much.