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00:00I was listening to Mohsin Naqvi, so I thought let's look at the other angle as well.
00:05The first question is, will something happen on the 24th?
00:08Wasim, I'll start with you in Karachi. Let's start with the analysis.
00:11What do you think? Will something happen on the 24th?
00:14Or will it just be like this and it'll go on like this?
00:17The Jalsa will be held and it'll be over.
00:19In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:20Brother Kashyap, I feel that, first of all, when we talk about negotiations,
00:24both the parties are doing the right thing in their respective places.
00:27I feel that the government, the actual government,
00:32tried to convince Imran Khan to move forward with the date of the protest
00:42and we'll see what happens.
00:43In response to this, Imran Khan said,
00:45if this is the case, you've already convinced us,
00:49we've been ditched in Sanjani,
00:51so if you do something, we'll move forward.
00:54I'm sure you've spoken to some important people in the movement,
00:57and they've given me the same examples today.
00:59That they've done this, they've done that, but they don't keep their promises.
01:04I heard the sentence, we don't want to look like fools.
01:09Like they always give a lollipop,
01:11that we'll move forward, we'll see later,
01:13and then we'll move forward like good kids,
01:15and then we'll get our hands dirty.
01:16That's why we won't do it this time.
01:17In fact, they even said in anger,
01:19that even if Imran Khan is dismissed,
01:21then on the 24th, Imran Khan will lead the protest in the form of a celebration,
01:24but still won't cancel it.
01:25No, no, no, let me tell you, there's a correction in this too.
01:28There's a correction in this too.
01:29If Imran Khan is dismissed on the 24th,
01:30Imran Khan will lead the protest himself.
01:32If all the demands are met, then there will be a celebration.
01:38By the way, let me tell you this too,
01:40that yesterday, for the celebration,
01:43to give a call for the celebration,
01:45someone was thinking of giving a call the day before yesterday.
01:49In PTI.
01:50Anyway, a lot is happening these days.
01:52Yes, I'm a little surprised about that.
01:54A common man, who has a lot of attachment to Imran Khan,
01:58everyone has the right to have an attachment to any leader,
02:00I understand that he gets excited,
02:02but some people who are aware,
02:04some people who are involved,
02:06getting excited like that,
02:09I mean, a lot of serious people called and asked,
02:12is there a liberation tonight?
02:14I'm surprised about that.
02:15I don't know why they felt that way.
02:20Now, on the 24th, your question is,
02:22will it happen?
02:23I think so.
02:24Let's stop here for a second.
02:25Let's stop here for a second.
02:26I want to ask Mr. Zubair,
02:28because you have started with a lot of talks.
02:31Mr. Zubair, what do you think,
02:34that if Imran Khan continues his protest for 10-15 days,
02:39then what will happen in those 10-15 days?
02:41The demands that he has,
02:42they can't be accepted.
02:43They can't bring down the government.
02:45They won't bring down their government.
02:48They won't say, return Imran Khan's mandate,
02:49reverse the 26th amendment.
02:51These are things that are not going to happen.
02:53So why do you think they are asking for 15 days?
02:58Look, the government will want to go as far as possible.
03:01Because you are right,
03:03the government has nothing to offer.
03:05At best, at best,
03:07they will say that we will run your cases quickly
03:10and eventually leave you.
03:11There will be guarantees for that as well.
03:14But obviously, reversing the 26th amendment
03:17and getting justice in the February 2024 elections,
03:20which are their other demands,
03:22and all other political prisoners,
03:24that is not going to happen.
03:25So PTI also has to understand that this will not happen.
03:28So by doing this,
03:30slowly slowly, the supporters of PTI
03:33will start losing hope
03:36that will there be a protest from us or not.
03:39One thing that PTI has made its supporters believe,
03:42and it is absolutely right,
03:44is that apart from a protest,
03:45they have no other option.
03:47And the government also understands that
03:48apart from a protest,
03:49PTI cannot see anything else.
03:51Neither can they go to the election commission,
03:53nor can they go to the courts.
03:55After becoming a constitutional bench,
03:57there is no hope at all.
03:59There is no hope from the parliament.
04:01So what option does PTI have?
04:03PTI only has the option of a protest.
04:05Now in a protest, they do get partial success.
04:08As soon as it is announced,
04:10and the date comes close,
04:11they start holding it,
04:12containers start being placed,
04:14threats start coming.
04:15Now there is another nature of threats,
04:17which I think is very important to repeat,
04:19that Mohsin Naqvi has also suggested,
04:21like in London,
04:23those who were going to protest,
04:25PTI's passport and ID card will be revoked,
04:28and the students,
04:29their degrees can also be cancelled.
04:31Which is absolutely unconstitutional
04:33and uncalled for.
04:34So now I don't think that the government...
04:37Mr. Zubair, I'm sorry to say this,
04:39but Malek's mischief is unchallenged.
04:42He does things like this.
04:44We'll do this.
04:45Thank God he's not saying,
04:46we'll throw your family out of Pakistan
04:48and send them to Afghanistan.
04:49What would have happened to Mohsin Naqvi
04:51if he had done all this?
04:52Look, in the world,
04:53this right has been accepted,
04:54that you should protest.
04:56If there had been any illegal activity,
04:58there would have been a case against him in Britain.
05:00They are strange people in Pakistan.
05:02Kashif, now on TV...
05:03Dictatorial minds.
05:04Kashif, now on TV...
05:05They have come close to someone.
05:07If they get a position,
05:08they think they'll run Pakistan.
05:12Kashif, now on TV,
05:14many ministers and government officials
05:17say they won't let this happen
05:19because this is a terrorist group.
05:21Now the problem is,
05:22if you don't...
05:23And when you talk to them internally,
05:25which I also talk to,
05:26some government MNAs or senators,
05:29or ministers,
05:31they are clear from the inside.
05:33And let me make it very blunt.
05:36They say,
05:37no matter how far we have to go
05:39to kill them,
05:40to stop them,
05:41we will go to that extent.
05:43Damn with fundamental rights.
05:45What do people say about it?
05:47Fundamental rights.
05:48Because this is a terrorist group.
05:49We won't let them come forward.
05:51And for them,
05:52it's a matter of political survival.
05:54If they let PTI come forward,
05:56then it becomes the seat of the government.
05:58So the choice is very clear.
06:00It's a very simple choice.
06:01I agree.
06:02They won't let them come forward.
06:04Exactly.
06:05Because if...
06:06Look, all the demands,
06:08if you agree to this...
06:10This is a conceding thing.
06:12This is a conceding thing.
06:14That yes, let Mr. Imran Khan come out.
06:16And the day Imran Khan comes out,
06:18there will be no government.
06:19Let's be honest that
06:21he is inside right now,
06:22that's why his voter...
06:23But the day he comes out,
06:25everything will change.
06:26The landscape,
06:27political landscape,