👉 Manifestantes, en su mayoría de agrupaciones de izquierda, ocupan la Avenida Corrientes frente a la sede central del PAMI. La protesta surge debido a las dificultades que enfrentan los jubilados para acceder a tratamientos crónicos para enfermedades como el colesterol, diabetes y presión arterial. Se discuten los requisitos y el proceso para tramitar el subsidio que cubre estos medicamentos, evidenciando las barreras burocráticas que enfrentan los beneficiarios.
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00:00The central headquarters of the PAMI on Avenida Corrientes
00:04in a protest that is taking place at the moment
00:07and that, as Pablo explained,
00:10the anti-picket protocol is activated
00:15and the police are looking for, in this case,
00:20to evict the lanes of Avenida Corrientes
00:25that are occupied by the protesters, right?
00:27Yes, we see the protesters, we have to look at the panorama,
00:30we see most of them with flags of the left-wing groupings,
00:33this must be said.
00:34Although you can see some retirees out there,
00:37the May 20 movement, we see flags of the PTS, etc.
00:42But there is a real conflict,
00:45which is that retirees who were doing chronic treatment
00:49against diseases such as cholesterol, diabetes,
00:53among others, blood pressure, among others,
00:56got up on Monday and understood that they received the news
01:01that they were not going to receive the 100% medicine anymore
01:06and that if they wanted to continue receiving it,
01:08they were going to have to go through a process
01:09and try a lot of things that we are going to tell you now.
01:11Also, as a political fact,
01:12it had been a long time since we had incidents on the street
01:16or news on the street with a barbaric demonstration.
01:19No, I want to clarify that around 5,300,000 people
01:23are affiliated to PAMI and of that number,
01:26today they have a social tariff for the subsidy of 100% coverage,
01:29850,000 people,
01:31with which there are around 3 million and a bit
01:34of people who are charging the minimum amount,
01:37so eventually they will have to do this social tariff process.
01:40Well, let's get into the subject of medicines.
01:43With this context, I practically leave those images,
01:47but what is the subject, Pablo?
01:48Who can and who cannot?
01:50Between you and Bárbara,
01:52give us a little information to see what is behind this,
01:55the subject of medicines for me.
01:56Yes, we are talking about, first,
01:58there was a benefit that gave medicines at 100%,
02:02that is to say free,
02:03to all retirees for some certain drugs.
02:08That benefit was cut
02:09because the agreement between the national government
02:12and the industry was terminated.
02:13What does the government say?
02:15Those who need it,
02:17and only those who need it,
02:20will be able to access a social tariff,
02:23which includes maintaining 100% in these drugs.
02:26For which they have to comply with certain requirements.
02:29The problem is that this social tariff,
02:32or this social tariff,
02:33they can only access ...
02:35Do you want to review it, Bárbara?
02:36What are the requirements?
02:37Come on, it's people who charge up to a half,
02:41people who are not affiliated with a prepaid,
02:45that if they live with a relative who has CUD,
02:49which is Certificate of Disability,
02:50the income is like a top of three minimum wages,
02:54if not, the wage they have to charge is 389,398 pesos,
02:59not having more than one property,
03:01and if they have a vehicle, a car,
03:03that is older than 10 years,
03:06not having assets in companies,
03:08not having anything relevant.
03:10These are the requirements that PAMI takes
03:12to be able to process this subsidy that Pablo is commenting on.
03:15Well, now, what is the problem?
03:17Because problems start, because it's never that easy.
03:20The speech is always,
03:22we have to give it only to those who need it,
03:25and in practice, those who need it
03:27have enormous difficulties to be able to demonstrate it.
03:29First step, let's go step by step.
03:32If you want to show me the first screen, Ari, there it is.
03:34You have to go to the page.
03:36It is important to put a consulting for retirees,
03:39because it is no longer an instruction that we do
03:42for those who need,
03:45just to get these drugs
03:47and give with the characteristics that the government requires,
03:51do it this way, Pablo, right?
03:52Exactly. If you can go down this screen,
03:55where you have it, Ari, to download,
03:57what documentation do you need?
03:59First you have to go to pami.org.ar
04:01bar process, bar drugs,
04:03script, reasons, script, social.
04:05You wrote it down, right?
04:06Go slowly, go slowly, come on.
04:08Go slowly.
04:09Step by step, how to sign up
04:12to get the drugs.
04:14pami.org.ar
04:16bar process, bar drugs,
04:19script, reasons, script, social.
04:22Good.
04:23The one who did not understand it, lost it.
04:25Very good.
04:26What documentation do you need?
04:27There are the requirements that Bárbara has just read.
04:29Let's go down a little more.
04:31What documentation do you need?
04:32Because there are three things.
04:34First, national identity document.
04:37Second, and here it seems a controversy,
04:40prescription of the medication requested,
04:42by the head doctor or specialist
04:44with the diagnosis that gives rise to the benefit.
04:46That is, you have to be able to present the prescription.
04:49What?
04:50A problem appears here,
04:51because many times the prescription is digital
04:53and it arrives directly to the pharmacies,
04:54especially in PAMI.
04:55Yes, apparently this will be corrected by PAMI
04:57and it will be requested only for the exception route,
05:00where there you have to see what medication is requested.
05:02Because for the social rate,
05:03being a subsidy,
05:04the digital prescription will not be required.
05:06It is a more economic issue.
05:08The prescription now, this time,
05:11you have to present it when you do the procedure.
05:13And then a sworn statement,
05:15which we will now also show on the screen.
05:18Keep going down, please.
05:20Notice that there,
05:21when you go down to this page that I said,
05:22pami.org.ar-medicines-reasons-socials
05:26Look, look how clear it is.
05:27Who can carry out the procedure?
05:28What documentation do you need?
05:31There it is.
05:32Keep going down a little more.
05:35And there you will see that it says,
05:36click on any of these options to continue.
05:40And it says,
05:41start this procedure on the web
05:43or request an appointment at the agency's attention.
05:46These are the two options you have
05:48to start the procedure
05:49to request social service.
05:51Requesting an appointment is
05:53a face-to-face part.
05:54Starting a web procedure is
05:56to be able to do it virtually.
05:58What is the form for the sworn statement
06:00that they will ask you to download
06:02also in that link?
06:03Look, it's here.
06:05There it is.
06:06Form.
06:08Disposition 059.
06:10Request.
06:11And there you have to put
06:12what the drugs are
06:14and some other questions
06:18related to the drug
06:21and the summary of the clinical history.
06:23The first screen you have to have,
06:25this has to be signed
06:27and sealed by the doctor.
06:28And the first screen,
06:29you have to have this
06:30filled out and completed
06:32while you enter the web.
06:34I mean, you have to have this
06:35filled out from before.
06:36And when you enter the web,
06:38and up to here we can go,
06:39if you want,
06:40pass me the next one.
06:41The only thing...
06:42Wait, stop a minute there.
06:43One thinks to what extent, Barbara,
06:45that you treat all the time,
06:47one can send the retirees
06:49to do the procedure, right?
06:50This is the issue.
06:51Yes, I also wanted to tell people
06:53not to go spontaneously to PAMI
06:55because they will not be attended
06:57because it is crowded with people
06:58who, if possible,
06:59take turns.
07:00I know it's kind of desperate
07:02and that it's a procedure
07:03that will take some time.
07:04From PAMI they are saying
07:05it will take around 15 days
07:07this management.
07:08I hope it is done effectively, efficiently
07:10and that people do not interrupt
07:11their treatments.
07:12Of course.
07:13But yes, it is continuous
07:14in a virtual way.
07:15Good, good.
07:16Do you want to complete, Wino?
07:17Let's complete with the last screen.
07:18For this procedure,
07:19you are a person affiliated with PAMI,
07:21enter your full affiliation number.
07:23That is, in addition to having the ID,
07:25in addition to having the sworn statement,
07:27in addition to having the prescription
07:29of the drug,
07:30you have to have the PAMI card
07:32at hand.
07:34That's how it ends up being seen.
07:36With the affiliation number,
07:38without space,
07:39or bars,
07:40and the document number.
07:42Why do I frame this?
07:44Because, as you raised before,
07:46retirees in general
07:48cannot do this procedure.
07:50This procedure ends up being done
07:52by the family.
07:53No, you can't pretend
07:55that the retiree does it.
07:56There are many retirees,
07:57obviously a 60-year-old retiree
07:59is better off.
08:01I mean, I don't know,
08:03you can't demand it.
08:04You can't ask for that.
08:05And I come back,
08:06this screen that I just showed you
08:08is essential because
08:09the amount of papers they are asking for
08:11to do this procedure,
08:13which is also surprising
08:14because no one expected it.
08:16No one knew.
08:17We can't do this in a month.
08:19I think the government is
08:20about to step back
08:22in this requirement.
08:23I think they have enough information
08:25to cross data
08:26as far as they perceive,
08:27how much a person perceives
08:29retirement and pension
08:31in order to grant it automatically.