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00:00The championship culture.
00:01That's what they got.
00:02Not heat culture.
00:03No, no, no.
00:04It is not NBA Cup championship culture, I can tell you that.
00:06No.
00:070 for 2.
00:08Celtics.
00:09They've never been NBA Cup champs.
00:10They at least made the dance last year, Keefe.
00:12They played in it.
00:13Yeah, they were in the dance last year.
00:14We have Justin Turpin of weei.com here on Jones and Keefe on a Celtics Wednesday.
00:20What's up, Turp?
00:21What's up, guys?
00:22I'm ready for the Secret Santa.
00:23You are?
00:24I'm ready.
00:25So pull some names.
00:26You heard about the Magnum condoms, is that why?
00:27I heard about those.
00:28Yeah, here we go.
00:29You want a cup of water?
00:30Condom.
00:31Yeah, thank you.
00:32That's what it is.
00:33That sounds fun.
00:34So, are you bothered in any way, shape, or form they're not in the NBA Cup?
00:36No.
00:37Why?
00:38I mean...
00:39Because he's a normal human being, Joe.
00:40But isn't it better for you covering the team to be like, they're in this NBA Cup, isn't
00:43that better for you?
00:44I mean, I don't think there's a lot of interest around it.
00:47No?
00:48To be honest.
00:49I really don't think there is.
00:50No, you're really hyping this thing up.
00:51I disagree.
00:52They were talking about it on Greg's show this morning.
00:53Oh, is that right?
00:54Yeah.
00:55So it must be super popular.
00:56They're also talking about who stole the cookies from the studio.
00:59Talking about what the the Celtics and heat came from the other night
01:02We talked for five seconds about Peyton Pritchard, and then we move on like there's more discussion around these games
01:07I feel like December than there ever has been because of the NBA no, but I feel like the discussion is so like
01:14Celtics were in it. Yeah, but the discussions always seems to start and end with do you like the Cup? Yeah?
01:20It's not oh, I can't wait to see this game or this path or how do they how do they win the Cup?
01:24It's more the discussion of it
01:26Yeah, and 80 people hate it then they got in it last year and they played the game against the Pacers
01:31And it was a fun game
01:31I remember where I was because it was one of the great moments of my life, okay
01:34But what do you when do you ever remember any regular season December basketball games you don't?
01:39Have a better chance, okay, that's because of how it ended yeah, the stakes going into it could conversation around it
01:45You never talk about December basketball games this changes that it's a good move for the league with this team
01:49It's a little bit different. Yeah, a hundred percent for the league and viewership was up last year because of the tournament
01:54Because the courts have okay some some Celtics fans not you Keith
01:58No, not some Celtics fans tuned in for the stupid Knicks last night
02:01Because they were interested in whether or not they would get the Celtics into the NBA Cup some turpin you
02:07Okay covers the team
02:12All right, so the NBA is doing a victory lap yeah, yeah, all right the ratings are up
02:16I don't get what you're arguing with the ratings are up. They are and my thing though
02:24All the threes they launch all right, so here's my thought on those guys
02:28Yeah, if you're the if you're gonna do the NBA Cup I feel like
02:33Do you need all the ridiculous tiebreakers and all those things?
02:36Why can't you just do your standard group play and then because you've already played enough games and because the group play games count for
02:42The regular season tiebreakers regular season record yes, therefore for you you get the better teams automatically have a better chance of making it there
02:48Which is what also so maybe maybe this is what wiggy was saying this morning. I honestly didn't understand
02:53Well you go by the record, and I'm like yeah
02:55They they were tied so you need a tiebreaker the regular season because the players don't love that part fine
03:01I think I could be coaxed into that right tweak it
03:03I like the idea of the tournament if you want to change the tiebreaker fine
03:05I have no problem with the the point differential, but if you want to do that fine
03:09What you do you like that proposal would you be better with that?
03:11I just think it should be longer because I like the point differential
03:16Right after we talk about the secret Santa I
03:19Just think it should be longer because when you only have four games
03:24It's there's just so much room for error like a team like the Hawks
03:27They win one game against a cell so you want they win the group not enough that you want more NBA Cup
03:37Six games yeah
03:39I
03:44Guess I'm here more NBA games. I agree are clamoring for it even thought of that terrible right point if you make it longer
03:51You won't have the Jesus time you still have these point differential scenarios and all that, but they won't be a dream
03:57Yeah, so I again the idea the old saying with the NBA is the season doesn't start until Christmas Day
04:04So you're trying to put emphasis on the games before Christmas Day. Is it perfect no
04:09No one's saying it's perfect, but most people didn't care about these games already
04:13You're trying to create a way to care about the games. I don't get how that's possibly a bad thing yeah
04:17I mean, I don't know what what's the audience though for example like what's the target audience of the NBA Cup?
04:23So most people listening to us are gonna watch every Celtics game regardless
04:27Yeah, the other there's a painted court or not
04:30I'm gonna watch the idea is to get you to watch probably more of the neutral
04:34Even when your team's not involved right if your team is involved
04:37But it'll get you to tune in because it's LeBron and Jokic for the NBA Cup championship with anybody watching a 30-point game between the Knicks
04:44And the magic in November under normal circumstances and with the starters even still I guess that's what it'd be so you have a handful
04:51Of games where you're like even if it's a blowout
04:53Maybe you have a few more people watching I keep going back to it too is last year when the Celtics were playing the Bulls
04:58And they were doing the hack of drumming all that the garden scoreboard kept show. That was awesome
05:04Like again, that was just a stupid regular season game again
05:07Who the Pistons the Bulls was Romany's like but on the stupid game?
05:10But it but there was intrigue and interest around it specifically because of the Cup they were showing updates on the
05:16Okay, that is what it was. That's why people cared. I know right? Yeah
05:22How's that was so crushed or they didn't advance a big baby
05:26Big they should have won both they should have won so far the team that has won the in-season
05:31Tournament has never won the NBA championships that the NBA have championships that got away, and it'll happen again this year
05:37Yeah
05:37Cuz the Celtics will win the real
05:39Cup and then whoever were the hell when the fake one that's part of it, too
05:42Is we're talking about a team that won 64 games last year won the NBA Finals
05:46They have bigger goals that they're focusing on where a team like Atlanta who goes three and one all right
05:51But those goals do those goals do a lot they winning all your games a lot right?
05:55But if you're getting in you only lost one game to Atlanta in a game
05:58It's not like they purposely try to lose a game because they didn't care
06:01It just happened that they didn't get in and now you get you're playing six games and nine nights right now
06:06You're gonna get two and eleven days
06:09Because you missed out and you're getting them against the Detroit Pistons and the Washington Wizards
06:13So it's kind of a fair trade-off especially to have that rest during the season like you kind of would prefer that
06:19I'd rather they played good games than waste of my time. That's what I would rather as a fan
06:23Oh, but now they're just kind of gonna be off. They're gonna have a nice stretch. I get that
06:27Oh great an extra game against the Wizards. Why do I want that as a fan?
06:30I don't well if you're talking about trying to win as many games
06:3667 is the team record, right?
06:39I'd rather watch them play an extra game against the Knicks who I imagine they'll be too. I'd rather watch that as a baby, New York
06:46Didn't go for the point differential last night because had they gone for it, New York would have played Boston
06:50I think but don't you think they were I was watching I thought they've kind of worn the fourth quarter
06:54They kind of let the rope go a little bit. Yeah, okay
06:57If they had won they would have hosted the Celtics because the Celtics would have been that wild card team and then they're looking at
07:02It's like would you rather play Orlando or to rather play Boston that I mean they already we're gonna win the game regardless
07:08So they were gonna get the win for the regular season standings
07:10It's just a matter of who they were gonna host for the plan or the in-season tournament
07:14I feel like we're a couple years away from the winner of the in-season tournament playing Real Madrid or like something like that
07:21Like turn it into like a real international team in Greece that was like thanks to the world champs
07:25Yeah, we're the world. They're only the NBA champs. We're the world. That's where we're headed. Yeah, they do this in soccer, right?
07:30I feel like there's always a random tournament
07:34Going on within their season and they're like, well, no
07:36No
07:36This is now for like the Open Cup or like this is for this like this game doesn't count for this
07:41Where the NBA is trying to do both they're trying to be like are this is a regular season game
07:45And then it's also would you care if they made a this is a good point?
07:48I forgot this was a discussion last year and I guess I just kind of got used to what they did
07:53Should the winner of the NBA Cup get guaranteed a playoff spot?
07:56Like something like that
07:57No, because I think what would happen then is that team would be way more like so say the Lakers won it
08:03Yeah, LeBron would play four more games the rest of the year or anything Davis to play for you're gonna be true
08:08I think there's too much season left, but then my biggest issue with the NBA is more. All right. Oh, what a great matchup
08:15It's Nuggets versus Thunder who's playing like you have to always ask who's playing?
08:19I like out Celtics and heat the other night maybe on paper looked okay, but then no nobody's playing
08:24So like that's a bigger concern. So I think if you gave a team, you know, whatever the color is set more incentive to rest players
08:29Yeah, that's true. That's fair. That'd be my only thought any questions about the actual team and not the car Peyton
08:34pray Peyton Pritchard looks like the
08:37Far and away front-runner for six minute of the year
08:39I guess my question with him is and it seems like he's a little bit better defensively
08:44I wonder though
08:45Like well good teams still kind of exploit him on that end or is he done enough where like he's not gonna be like an obvious
08:53Weakness, I don't think he's an obvious week
08:54I really don't think they have an obvious weakness on defense just because they all take a lot of pride in their
08:59Individual defense and that starts with Missoula
09:01He does a really good job of keeping them focused on that end
09:03But it also helps that he has guys like Al Horford and Christophe's poor thing right behind him where they can kind of come in
09:08And help clean up any mess that might happen from Peyton, but I think he's a solid defender
09:13He's not great, but he's a good
09:16Or anything. It's just like are you some guys certain matchups are gonna be really tough teams are gonna try to pick on
09:20Yeah, I just have so many other defenders that can help out. So they're just so well-rounded. It's tough to pick on one individual
09:27What was wrong with Tatum the other night?
09:29Just a bad night. Just a bad night shooting. Like that's good. That's gonna happen throughout the year
09:33I mean the guy like he was he was listed on the injury reports like is there any is there any ale was there anything?
09:37Bother he looked off. I think right now just because of how many games they're playing in a row
09:42You're gonna see different names
09:43He's on the injury report again tonight him and drew holiday and that's just gonna happen because they don't want to play more games
09:50He wants more game I just I just yesterday I was like gave Tatum credit for playing and all these games like yes
09:55I want Tatum playing in games. Yes, even like a game like tonight
09:59If he's if he's actually injured then don't play but if he's just got like a little sore pinky or something like that
10:04Yeah, go play. I would say that about play. I would say that about most teams
10:07I would say that about the Greg Popovich Spurs that we were complaining about yesterday. Yeah play that you're fine
10:11Not how the NBA is though anymore and that's why like Tatum is kind of one of those rare
10:16Outsiders in a way that he's the one like one that plays every night a superstar that plays every night
10:21It's just so rare to see that it doesn't happen anymore Jalen Jalen, too
10:24I mean Jalen only misses games when he's hurt
10:26He's almost always out there Derek and the Celtics have a really they're fortunate enough to have guys that want to play in our when
10:33They're healthy. They're on the floor. You could check out his work. Justin M Turpin on Twitter
10:38W-e-i.com as well. He's Terp. He joins us here every Wednesday on a Celtics Wednesday. We appreciate it Terp
10:44We'll see you for the the Secret Santa short. Oh, yeah