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00:00You are intermingling two things.
00:06It was an internal matter of the party that Mr. Khan's direction through Barrister Gauhar reached all of us.
00:13Barrister Gauhar is the chairman and Mr. Khan has made him.
00:17None of us made him. He is the junior of all of us in terms of the party.
00:21The rest are big lawyers, but he is the junior of all of us in the party.
00:25But we respect him because Mr. Khan made him the chairman.
00:29Through Barrister Gauhar, he gave us this information to the political committee.
00:33On 26th November, before the operation in the night, in the afternoon,
00:37he had already passed the information that Mr. Khan has given permission to Sanjani.
00:42Now, whether Sanjani stopped there or not, whether D-Chowk should have gone or not,
00:47this is a very big debate.
00:49But my fundamental position on this is that if Sanjani did not stop and D-Chowk came,
00:55then the day before yesterday, I had spoken outside Adyala Jail,
01:00that whether D-Chowk is more sacred than the Kaaba, God forbid,
01:06that no one can come there. We came.
01:09It was a mistake. The law was broken. Let it be broken.
01:12Look, you did excessive use of force. You shouldn't have done that.
01:17Why should someone be martyred from here?
01:19You should not throw anything away by talking about the past.
01:22Look, he is the Prime Minister. He just can't jerk it off.
01:26He just can't say that you are the Prime Minister.
01:28That's exactly what I am saying. I am also asking the government, Mr. Ali,
01:31that can't you throw this thing away and move forward?
01:33That's why I am also asking you that what happened,
01:36can't it be thrown away and moved forward?
01:38PTI has to introspect about this.
01:40Because today, Ms. Aleema Khan also said that the government said that you should sit in Sanjani.
01:44We will release Mr. Imran Khan in a few days.
01:47If what Ms. Aleema Khan said is correct,
01:50then for the release of Mr. Imran Khan,
01:53the protest that PTI was going to hold,
01:56was being held in a plate.
01:58If what Ms. Aleema Khan is saying is correct,
02:00then shouldn't PTI have taken that offer immediately?
02:08Look, that's why I didn't emphasize the point of Sanjani.
02:13I have also told Mr. Gohar Bai and Mr. Barrister.
02:17I have also told them.
02:19They are a bit ungrateful.
02:21We say something harsh,
02:23they don't mind.
02:25Allah has given them courage.
02:27I have told them.
02:29Because 25th November,
02:31these dates are very important.
02:33Ms. Aneeka, if you keep these dates in mind,
02:36that 22nd November,
02:38two days before the protest started,
02:40at the direction of the political committee,
02:43the five of us,
02:45me, Sardar Koh, Mr. Barrister Gohar,
02:48Salman Akram Raja and Mr. Rauf Hassan,
02:51we went to meet Mr. Khan to talk to him.
02:54If there is a government issue,
02:56and it is possible for Mr. Khan to be released,
02:59if there is such a thing,
03:01then don't postpone the protest,
03:03but on hold it for a week or two.
03:06Or if there is a maximum,
03:08then sit in the vicinity of Islamabad.
03:11They didn't let us meet.
03:13Look, someone knew why we were coming.
03:16Maybe someone wanted this to happen.
03:19I am talking very harshly.
03:21Otherwise, why didn't we let the five of us meet?
03:24We wanted the issue to be resolved by discussion.
03:27Our goal is the release of Mr. Imran Khan.
03:30Our goal is the release of prisoners.
03:32Our goal is the return of the mandate.
03:34The protest is not a goal.
03:36The protest is a means to an end.
03:39That is, the release of Khan.
03:41They didn't even let us meet on the 22nd.
03:44On the 25th, when the protest was in full swing,
03:47it was very difficult for me to reach Diyala Jinn.
03:50It was not easy.
03:51I had to bring it to Judaism.
03:53I came out of the police and reached.
03:55Two of our people were allowed,
03:57but I was still not allowed.
03:59That day, Mr. Gohar was told by Mr. Khan
04:01to sit in the vicinity.
04:03If Mr. Gohar had given a press talk that day,
04:06it would have been clear.
04:08There was no need to go after anyone.
04:10Mr. Ali Mahmood Khan also made it very clear
04:12that this message had already come
04:14that Mr. Imran Khan would be released.
04:16If he is saying the right thing, then...
04:18I will tell you.
04:20Mr. Ali Mahmood Khan also asked me another question.
04:23The civil disobedience has also started.
04:25You have talked about civil disobedience.
04:27You have talked about it a couple of times.
04:29Let me make one thing clear.
04:31I am a political worker of this Jamaat.
04:33I am not from today.
04:35It has been a long time.
04:37I rarely comment on the policy of family members.
04:40Mr. Ali Mahmood Khan is very respectable for me.
04:43He knows this.
04:45When Mardan came to Namal in 2015-16,
04:48I was like an elder sister to him in fundraising.
04:51He is very respectable.
04:53I do not comment on his words.
04:55But this is now in the public domain.
04:57That is why I am talking about it.
04:59Mr. Gauhar says that
05:01if you want to sit with Sanjani, then sit.
05:04Mr. Gauhar does not need to lie.
05:06All these things have happened.
05:08You said that you want to talk about it.
05:10I will talk about it again.
05:12The real thing is that whether Sanjani sits or D-Chowk,
05:15was it right to shoot?
05:17If we sit with Sanjani...
05:19It is Newton's law, Mr. Ali Mahmood Khan.
05:21Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
05:23Should it have gone on or not?
05:25It should not have gone on in any form.
05:27And the government is saying that it has not gone on.
05:29So it is your word versus the government's word.
05:32But the question is that
05:34now there is talk of civil disobedience.
05:36Mr. Ali Mahmood Khan.
05:38Listen to me.
05:40I understand your point.
05:42I understand your point.
05:44Not a single soul...
05:46Not a single soul should have gone,
05:48whether it is to the PTI,
05:50to the rangers, to the police.
05:52Everyone's life is precious.
05:54And everyone is their own child.
05:56Whether it is the PTI or the law enforcement agency.
05:58My question is civil disobedience.
06:00Now I have heard,
06:02and I have spoken to many PTI leaders off the record.
06:06PTI leaders are not considering civil disobedience
06:08to be practical.
06:10Do you think that
06:12after two weeks,
06:14on the 14th,
06:16there will be an implementation
06:18on the civil disobedience call?
06:23Look, one thing is this.
06:26We have two or three big forums of the party.
06:28One is the core committee, which is the biggest forum.
06:30The other is the political committee,
06:32which is its sub-committee.
06:34This is a parliamentary party,
06:36which has MNAs and senators.
06:38My colleagues are witnesses to this.
06:40You can ask them.
06:42Even in front of Mr. Khan
06:44and in the party,
06:46I openly give my opinion.
06:48Because I think
06:50that there can be no greater hypocrisy
06:52than not telling your leader
06:54what you think is good for him and the party.
06:56But those discussions are held
06:58in the internal forums of the party,
07:00not in the public domain.
07:02So are you saying that
07:04civil disobedience is really not right?
07:06Is this what you are saying?
07:08No.
07:10There has been a discussion on this.
07:12The final decision of Mr. Imran Khan
07:14will be obeyed by the party.
07:16What do majority party leaders think, Mr. Ali?
07:18Is it right or wrong?
07:20Look, it is not necessary to say that here.
07:22I think that
07:24this is a sign of a living community
07:26that things should be discussed
07:28and there should be a pro and contra debate
07:30about what should be done and what should not be done.
07:32Because at the end of the day,
07:34everyone's wish is the same.
07:36That the party should be better
07:38and Mr. Khan should be released.
07:40For that, everyone's thinking can be different.
07:42Some say this way,
07:44some say that way.
07:46This is not a peaceful party
07:48where there is a dictation.
07:50When the final decision is made,
07:52Mr. Khan's direction comes
07:54and the party totes that line.
07:56Look, I want to talk about the question
07:58you asked about him.
08:00We are all talking about
08:02civil disobedience in the media.
08:04I am not talking about this at all.
08:06That is for later.
08:08Mr. Khan has made a committee
08:10for dialogue.
08:12Unfortunately, time is up.
08:14But we will discuss on another issue.