Amy Allen’s songs have been stuck in your head all year, and now she is here on #AudacyCheckIn to chat about all of her 2025 GRAMMY nominations 👏
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00:00Is there anything you ever, like, wrote that you wish you kept for yourself?
00:03Sometimes I've had concepts where, like we were just talking about earlier, where I'm like,
00:07oh, I really love that concept and I don't know if I'd be able to execute that as well
00:11as I executed it that day if I did try to, like, you know, rewrite that concept again for myself.
00:17But I don't know, I try to, there was some songwriter I think that one day said,
00:22never keep your best ideas, like give your best ideas away all the time because then it forces you
00:27to come up with an even better one. Amy, it is so nice to have you in studio and in person and
00:34talk about such a great year you had. I mean, the Grammy season will be right around the corner,
00:39the holidays are here. How has 2024 been? Like, recap that real quick because I'm sure it's been
00:43insane. It has been insane. It's been very fun. And I've gotten to travel a lot for work this
00:48year, which has been amazing and really inspiring to be in so many different locations and writing
00:53there with friends and collaborators that I love. And it's just always like a cherry on top
00:58to be able to make music that you love and then also have the world react to it in a positive way
01:02and other people love it as well. So it's been, it's been a really fun year so far.
01:06Yeah. Are you someone who like, I guess you have to, but does traveling like help you work better
01:12or do you find that like you're a studio person? Because I feel like when I travel more,
01:16I'm just inspired to do work harder, I guess. Yeah, I think it's really good for the music
01:21because being in a new location around new types of people and different surroundings,
01:26it's I think it only is inspiring, especially because LA the music industry is so intense
01:31here. I feel like a lot of songwriters and producers and artists here can get a little bit
01:35sick of how like industry it feels all the time. So it's really nice to be able to get out and be in
01:40some more remote areas or just in different music cities. It's like I love going to Nashville. I
01:45love being in London. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it always helps music for me. It's so funny how it
01:49really like that's how different LA is to where it is like a nine to five. Like people are just,
01:53I'm a songwriter. Yeah, I know my office at nine to five and write music when it's such
01:57an untraditional job, you know, but well, on top of all the success with songwriting,
02:03you put out your solo debut album. Congratulations. Thank you. In September,
02:09for those that are just getting to know you to on your own personal music, how would you describe
02:12the sound of Amy Allen? I grew up on a lot of classic rock and then also
02:19like being a child of the 90s, I fell in love with like Flaming Lips. And then for songwriters,
02:24I've always loved Dolly Parton and John Prine. And so it's very singer songwritery, but also has
02:29some more rock elements. And then it also goes a little bit into experimental, like some electronic
02:36bits. But I think the storytelling is like what always bring is the heart of music for me and
02:40what I love to do the most. So they're very, it's like singer songwriter music at its core,
02:44but it's maybe just a little bit more experimental in the production part.
02:47I love it. And what made now like the right time to put out your debut album?
02:51I always had been in bands growing up, like, ever since I was nine years old,
02:55I've been in bands. And then when I started writing for other people, like seven years ago,
02:59I really fell in love with the collaboration process and making songs for and with other
03:04artists. So my own music kind of went on the backburner as I like made this conscious decision
03:09to get better at songwriting. And then I think last year, at some point, I just realized that
03:15it makes me a better songwriter for other people to keep writing for myself. And I had just
03:20accumulated this like body of work of songs that I loved, and they felt really poignant to me and
03:27like an artist statement kind of and I never really felt like that about a body of work of
03:31my own before. So I just felt like, you know, why the fuck not like just go for it. I love these
03:36songs. And I think it's important for me as a creative to not only be giving, you know, my like
03:41love of music away to other artists all the time, but also to make some just for myself,
03:46it like keeps me grounded in why I do this. So yeah, it was very cathartic, fun process.
03:51Yeah, absolutely. You don't sound like it. But were you nervous at all to put out
03:55like your own work of art?
03:57I wasn't because I think I just took all of the pressure off of it. I think because when I write
04:02with other artists that have massive profiles, and there's like this expected response to a
04:07lot of the songs I put a lot, you know, like, that already is like fulfilling that part of my
04:12life for me where like a song will come out on the radio and my friends will fan and family will
04:16hear it and be like, Oh, we heard that song you wrote, it's so fun. And so I can totally kind of
04:20like remove any type of response from my own music that I make for myself, because I already have
04:25that part being fulfilled by songs I write with other people putting like emphasis on how it's
04:30received. So I was not nervous. It was it felt good to just put out something that I like and
04:34be like, I don't, you know, it doesn't matter if anybody besides my mom streams this song, you
04:39know, I'm like, I don't care. So it was like a very freeing place to be creating from which helped
04:44me a lot. And it just makes me a better songwriter all around. So yeah, absolutely.
04:48It's so interesting when you say like, you hear these songs, because so many of them go like,
04:52number one, or you hear them on the radio. What do you hear when you hear those songs? Is it like
04:56the experiences of writing it? Is it memories? Or is it like something different in terms of the
05:01sound? Like, oh, there's that note I wasn't really crazy about.
05:04It's like, it's different for every song. I feel so grateful because sometimes as a songwriter,
05:11the songs that you like the least that you do are the ones that somehow like make it to the top.
05:16And, you know, I've had moments of that in my career. And so many of my songwriter friends
05:20have that all the time. And I feel so grateful this year, getting to collaborate with so many
05:26great artists, especially this has been like the year of Sabrina, which makes me so happy.
05:31And those are songs that I absolutely love. Like they're songs that if I hadn't been any part of
05:35them, I would be like rinsing that album, you know, I just like, regardless, it's it's a really
05:41rare moment when as a songwriter, all the songs you have coming out are ones that you actually
05:45are like, oh, no, these are the ones that should be rising to the top. Like I champion these all
05:49the way. So I've just felt very grateful for this year that the ones that are reacting are the ones
05:54that I love as well. Yeah. And as a songwriter and making your own music, do you when it comes
05:59to like telling personal stories, do you save anything for your own music? Or do you have no
06:03problem like passing that work on to others when or offering inspiration, I guess, when it comes to
06:07that? Yeah, I enter the like the approach for writing for myself is writing for other people
06:12so different. Like when I go into a session with an artist, the first thing is always like talking
06:18about what's going on in their life. And then whatever's going on in their life, I can kind of
06:21find a way to relate to it with something that I've gone through versus what I'm writing for myself.
06:27I'm just sitting there journaling. I always start at the beginning of the song and just like write
06:31it in the through line versus when I'm writing for another artist, we like I make sure the chorus is
06:36like concrete before we do any other part of the song. So it's like kind of moving two different
06:41parts of my brain versus you know, if I'm writing for myself versus somebody else. But yeah, I don't
06:46know like a story is a story. And there's you can tell the same story in a million different ways.
06:50So I never get too precious about like, oh, I just gave some of my favorite material away.
06:54There's like so many ways to tell it. So it's all about like, yeah, people's own perspective,
06:59right? Like there's no really, is the chorus the most important part of the song? Or is it just
07:03the easiest you're saying to write and like get definitely not the easiest. But it's I think if
07:08we're talking pop, which, you know, I am a pop writer at heart. And I think pop music can go
07:15through so many phases. But I think if you're looking at popular music from like, all the way
07:19back to the 50s, until now, the chorus has always been like, the part that people gravitate towards
07:25that is usually like the crux of the song. And so that's why I always when I'm writing with somebody
07:31else, I'm like, we got to make sure we have the foundation, the thing that the bedrock of the song,
07:36which is pretty much always the chorus if you're listening to pop radio. So that's why I do that
07:40with other people. But for my own music, like I said, I've like released myself of any, you know,
07:44who's gonna listen to it or how much they're gonna listen to it. I'm just gonna like crazy,
07:48just make it for myself, whatever it is, if there's no chorus, it is what it is. So yeah,
07:53so I yeah, I just do it differently. I feel like it has to be such a fun time to be in pop. And
07:58you have such a foothold, you know, in this genre. But how would you describe the sound of like pop
08:02right now what the genre is doing? I'm so excited by pop music right now, because I feel like,
08:08like, up until maybe even like three years ago, for a really long time leading up till then,
08:14as a songwriter, and most songwriters, I know would attest to this is that there could be one
08:20great pop song that a songwriter writes in a session one day, and it could have gone like
08:23five years ago could have gone to a handful of different pop artists at the time. And now what
08:28I think is really exciting about pop music is that the artists that are winning like Sabrina,
08:32like Chapel, like Olivia, like, you know, so many like they are the ones that are saying things in
08:37their songs that it wouldn't make sense for their song to go and to anybody else, like it only would
08:43make sense for Sabrina to sing a Sabrina song, right? Nobody else could sing a Sabrina song and
08:47have it feel authentic. And the handful of artists I think that are making music like that, that's so
08:52tailored to specifically who they are, as an artist are the ones winning. And I think it's,
08:57it's causing other people to strive to be better and more honest and more vulnerable in their
09:02songwriting. And, and even wittier, like funny moments on the radio are happening. Now, not every
09:06artist is taking themselves so seriously, which I think is such a fun, exciting place for pop music
09:12to be in. Yeah, it definitely feels more character based. Like you can tell Chapel and Sabrina are
09:17like, you know, they're just playing it to the max. Yeah. Yeah. So it's funny to think about
09:21like, yeah, you couldn't see Bieber singing hot to go, really? No, no, like all the little isms
09:25are what making some artists like really rise to the top that people can catch on to these little
09:30like, you know, signature bits that they have. And I think that's awesome. Yeah, it's so cool.
09:35And I mean, you seem so generous with it. Like you just love to see people succeed. And whatever
09:39you make in your music is like something you want to try different. But is there anything you ever
09:43like wrote that you wish you kept for yourself? Not really. Sometimes I've had concepts where
09:50like we were just talking about earlier where I'm like, I really love that concept. And I don't know
09:53if I'd be able to execute that as well as I executed it that day if I did try to like, you
09:58know, rewrite that concept again for myself. But I don't know, I tried to, there was some songwriter,
10:04I think that one day said, never keep your best ideas, like give your best ideas away all the time,
10:10because then it forces you to come up with an even better one the next day. And I try to live by that
10:15because I feel like if you get too precious, and you put too much pressure on keeping the best idea
10:20until it's absolutely perfect, and like saving it for the person you want to do it with or something,
10:24it's like, it sometimes can stifle the idea. Yeah, sometimes if you just feel it, and you
10:29understand it, and you like want to just follow it, then I think that's the best road to do it.
10:34And then just have to beat it the next time, you know?
10:36No, it's a great concept. It's like a closed fist doesn't make money or whatever that is.
10:39Yeah, totally.
10:40It's the same concept. Yeah. And it's such a good, yeah, it's such a good thought process to have.
10:45So before you became a Grammy winning songwriter, you wanted to be a nurse, right?
10:49What was the problem? Like you couldn't?
10:51I don't know if I ever wanted to be a nurse, but I felt like that was the rational decision
10:54to make. Everyone does, right?
10:56And it was not. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad for the world that I never became a nurse,
11:01because I feel like lives would have been at risk.
11:04But yeah, it wasn't the right decision. I did two years at nursing school in B.C.,
11:08in Boston. And then I realized like a year and a half in that I can't look at blood without
11:14fainting, which, you know, that'll seal the deal.
11:17Big part.
11:18And I just missed making music all the time. When I was in high school,
11:22I was writing music all the time and in so many different bands. And then when I went
11:26away to college and was doing nursing, I just like had no time. I joined an a cappella group,
11:30almost killed music indefinitely for me. I was so bad at a cappella. And I was like,
11:34it ruined music for me for like a year. But then when I realized how much I wanted to be songwriting,
11:40my mom actually was like, there's a school down the street called Berkeley College of Music.
11:43You should check it out. And then the rest is history.
11:47Perfect. Yeah, that's how it always works out. You know, it's meant to be.
11:50Was it like something like you saw blood somewhere someday and it ruined it for you?
11:54No, it's so embarrassing. It's the worst story. I went to go see this
11:58the newest Twilight movie that was out at the time. And Kristen Stewart like births this like
12:03vampire baby. And there's this like really graphic scene where this like vampire baby's
12:08like trying to come out. And I just remember like I was with my boyfriend at the time and I just like
12:13blacked out in the studio. And I came to and he had like carried me out onto the sidewalk.
12:17And I was like, I think I'm doing the wrong thing. I can't even see a fake vampire get
12:23born on a movie theater screen. Twilight, it's such a formidable experience for so many people.
12:29I know.
12:30Yours was a career defining move.
12:31It really was. I wouldn't be here without it probably.
12:33Well, I feel like growing up in Maine and obviously having that love of folk and bluegrass
12:37growing up in that impacted and helped you with your job today. How do you think that like,
12:42you know, kind of molded you into how you process now?
12:45Yeah, so I didn't know anybody growing up that did music as a career except for this one guy
12:51named Carter Logan, who was a banjo player in this bluegrass band in Maine called Jerks of Grass.
12:58And he became my guitar teacher. And every Thursday from the time I was like maybe 12
13:03until I was 18 and went away to college. Every single Thursday, I'd go to this like Irish bar
13:08in Portland, Maine called Bolfini's and I would open for his bluegrass band. So I was playing
13:13live shows like, you know, 52 weeks a year for all of middle school and high school and
13:20auditioning my like, little songs I was writing on my bed for this like group of kind of rowdy
13:24bar goers on Thursday nights. And I fell in love with bluegrass music and which then turned into
13:30me falling in love with folk music, which then led to country music. And through that, of course,
13:34my dad like blasting classic rock in the car all the time. And then my older sister's playing like,
13:39you know, Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls. So I was like getting all of the like storytellers
13:44and then like really big pop songs and then also classic rock. So I was like,
13:48getting schooled in a lot of genres at the same time, which I didn't realize, which
13:52helped me now to where I am today. It's such a big role, especially with somebody like Sabrina,
13:56who can cross so many genres in her album. And some days like we're writing a folk song or country
14:01song together and other days it's more R&B. And then some days it's like massive pop. So it's
14:06actually helped me so much in my career. Yeah. Just the diversity of it, right? Yeah. Being
14:10able to pull from so many different things. Yeah. When you think back to those early days
14:14of performing at the bar and bluegrass and all your songs,
14:18what was the first song you can think of that you really felt proud of and why?
14:25It took me a really long time to ever feel like really proud of a song. I had a band in college
14:30called Amy and the Engine. Fire name. It was because at Berkeley, the seniors who are in the
14:37production majors, their senior project is to record a band, like an EP. And I was playing at
14:43a coffeehouse and this guy named Ed came up to me and asked me if he could record me as his
14:49project. And I was like, I don't have a band. And he was like, do you think you could go find one?
14:53And I was like, when do we have to start? And he was like, next week. I was like, okay,
14:56great. And then he was playing me references of bands that he loved. And the first one he played
15:01was Florence and the Machine. And so I jokingly was like, I'll start a band Amy and the Engine.
15:07And like off of Florence and the Machine as a joke. And then we made this EP with him and people
15:11loved it. And I loved it. And we started like, you know, sending that CD around to venues. And
15:17then we started booking shows. And I was like, Well, I don't know if we should change the name
15:20now. We might as well just keep the name. So I had the name for quite a long time, like five years,
15:23probably. And we played a ton of shows. And I loved it. But yeah, shout out to Amy and the
15:29Engine. Shout out to Amy and the Engine. You never know. You never know. Reunion.
15:33I love them all. Yeah, we're still all friends. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So cool. Well, artists
15:37always, you know, just gush about your talent and learning so much from you. What do you think is
15:41the most valuable lesson you've worked or you've learned from an artist that you've worked with?
15:45I mean, so many every day in the studio, I like try to take as a learn, like a real moment to
15:51learn because everybody writes songs so differently. And everybody tells stories differently. So I'm
15:55always trying to learn how different how everybody does it and try to get better at doing it myself.
16:00But I don't know, I think Sabrina has been such like a positive light in my understanding of
16:07music. So I feel like I went through this phase of taking music very seriously and trying to,
16:12you know, if I wasn't like making somebody cry, I didn't feel like I had done my job.
16:16And it's ironic, because I grew up on so many writers like John Prine and Dolly,
16:20who are really witty, like, they're very heartfelt, but they're also very witty and
16:23funny in their, in their songwriting. And I think Sabrina is such a phenomenal artist,
16:29because she can do all of it at the same time. And her personality is exactly how she writes a song.
16:34So it's really exciting to be amongst that and then also get better at that myself. I'm like,
16:38okay, not every song, you know, of course, we love the heartfelt songs that make people cry. But also
16:42you can write songs that are funny and witty at the same time. And like, within the same chorus,
16:47you can have something real and honest and vulnerable and then turn around and say something
16:51hilarious. So I think this has been a really exciting year for me to learn how to harness
16:56that better within myself and, and write like very three dimensional songs that have a range
17:01of emotion and not just one. But I mean, Tate, I work a lot with Tate McRae, and she's such a
17:06phenomenal dancer. And so I'd never really thought about writing for movement. And she that's so
17:14important for her, obviously, with her live shows and how great of a dancer she is. So that has also
17:18been really fun for me to like, to write songs with the concept of like, she's gonna be doing
17:23a ton of choreography to these songs and how to make them feel vulnerable and real, but also like
17:29very movable, you know, so yeah, I'm learning all the time. Gosh, that's so interesting to think
17:34about like writing for that movement. How does that how would that even change the process is
17:37like, let's add some more? I mean, yeah, it's like making, you know, melodies are huge for that. So
17:44it's like, it's really exciting to have really dynamic melodies, then also some that are more,
17:50you know, kind of like, staccato and a little bit more boxed in so that there's a big juxtaposition
17:55between the chorus or one part of the song being really dynamic, then another part being more,
18:00you know, like, linear, but I don't know, I'm still I'm learning. Yeah, you're talking about
18:05Dolly Parton, too. And like how it kind of, you know, parallels with Sabrina, do you see that
18:10between the two of them? Because man, like I heard, I think Slim Pickens or something like,
18:13yeah, it comes right to my mind. We had so much fun with that one. Definitely. I see in the fact
18:18that they're both phenomenal storytellers. And I feel like what I know, for me is the most important
18:25part of music has always just been to tell the story, like in the best way possible. And I know
18:30Sabrina holds herself to that as well. And Dolly, of course, is like the mother of telling an honest,
18:35vulnerable, real story. So I think, you know, yeah, the parallels are endless there, because
18:42they're driven by the same thing. Yeah, it's amazing. You have a songwriting credit on every
18:46song for Sabrina's album, which is I don't know if that's normal. It sounds impressive. I've never
18:51had that before. Yeah, that's so cool. And you talked about building the song and how you start
18:55with the chorus and everything. And I don't know how to like ask this really. So help me like kind
18:58of form the question if it makes sense around songwriting. But I feel like a lot of songs have
19:04almost like a formula or you're building it in a way that, you know, is repetitive. When I first
19:09heard Please, Please, Please, like nothing is the same. It's so unique. How would you describe that
19:14song? That song was so fun because we did that really like the first and second day I met Jack
19:20Antonoff, who's a really good friend of mine now. And I love Jack because he doesn't live within a
19:25box at all with music. He crosses so many genres, and he's really free with how he creates. And
19:31I don't know that song. We just, you know, we're like following the inspiration and not trying to
19:36stay to any formula. And so there's like a key change halfway through the song, which you never
19:40hear on pop radio ever. And I don't even know what allowed us to feel like we could do that that day.
19:47But we did and we went for it. And I'm really proud of that song because it's pushing the
19:51boundaries musically in so many ways. Like lyrically, it's pushing the boundaries. Melodically,
19:55it's doing some weird things. And like quarterly, like I said, Jack doing a key change in the middle
20:00of nowhere of the song. It's like, there's so many things that make that song exciting to me.
20:04Yeah. And yeah, I just chalk it up to being really inspired by Jack and Sabrina that day. And we just
20:10had the best time. No, I still remember like hearing it for the first time. I'm just like,
20:13whoa, whoa. Yeah. It's like a ride, you know, in among those songs where it feels like everyone is
20:20essential for the album. Did any almost not make the cut between you guys? I don't know if you're
20:25in that process at all. But Sabrina drives the ship fully. And I'm like such a fan of hers for
20:30that reason. She's such an artist through and through and makes great decisions. And every
20:34artist I work with is so different like that. Like some artists I work with write a hundred
20:38songs for the album and some artists I work with like write 14 and pick 12. So everyone's different.
20:44But I'm really inspired by the artists that have like a very true like North Star of what they
20:49think is right for the album. And yeah, yeah, you know, everyone's process is different. But Sabrina
20:54knows for sure. Totally. It's the end of the year where we're getting a lot of like year end stats
20:59and everything. And so many of your songs you write are on our playlist. What's someone you're
21:04a fan of that's on your playlist right now? Oh, so many. I'm always a massive fan of SZA. I love
21:10everything she does. There's an artist called Adrian Lenker who I listen to all the time.
21:14I hear that all the time. So great. I do. Yeah, I just did. I met Willow yesterday who I fucking
21:24love. Oh, man. Yeah. So like, it was the anniversary of Wait a minute. Oh, I mean, wait a minute. So
21:30good. Yeah, I'm a fan. There's so many artists out there that I haven't worked with that I'm
21:35massive fans of. So that's amazing. Do you have a favorite lyric? I know it's such a broad question.
21:40Do you have any lyric? You're like, I that's my favorite lyric, or one that you wish you had
21:44written. Have you ever heard a lyric? You're like, Oh my gosh, that just my core. It changes every
21:49day. Honestly, like, there's some lyrics that I look back on that I'm so grateful to have been a
21:54part of writing or I mean, all the time. Like I'm, I'm really inspired by so many artists and my
22:02friends that are helping write these songs that are just coming up with things that I'm like,
22:05my gosh, I'm so jealous. They thought of that. Like, that's amazing. I did this panel the other
22:10day with a bunch of my friends. And the reaction that we all were talking about having is that
22:14when we hear something on the radio that one of our friends did, we're like, so happy for them.
22:18And then instantly like pissed. Like, how did I not think of that? Like, that's so smart.
22:22Absolutely. So yeah, I don't know, constantly hearing things that I wish I had thought of first.
22:27For sure. Well, before we wrap, I want to play a quick game with you that I created this morning.
22:31Oh, no. Terrified. Amy Allen answers. Check it out. Alright, so you obviously work with so many
22:40incredible people. And instead of just asking about, you know, tell me about blah, blah, blah,
22:45I'll draw a name and just tell me whatever comes to mind a story about working with the artist.
22:50Something fun, whatever. And they got some ping pong balls. So let's see what we got here.
22:55Justin Timberlake. Oh, he was the first artist I worked with that I had grown up listening to.
23:02Like I said, like I have older sisters. So I was like schooled and in sync and,
23:06you know, Justin Timberlake growing up. And I think I underestimated exactly what it would feel
23:11like to be in the room with somebody and creating with them. It was very meta thing where I'm like,
23:15my instincts are kind of like derived from learning from him for so long, like listening
23:21to his melodies, listening to how he sings. And so to be with him in the room and like
23:26having instincts to do something with the song I'm writing with him in real time that I know
23:30are like informed by learning from him, like just so many moments like that. And
23:35he's become like a big brother to me. He's, he's phenomenal. It's amazing. It's trippy,
23:39though, right? Trippy for sure. It's like Inception. Halsey. Oh, Halsey. One of my first,
23:46I think actually my first song that ever did go number one that I worked on was called
23:50Without Me. And it was a Halsey song. And I will love that song till the day I die.
23:56Yeah. Very appreciative of it. Absolutely. Thank you. Olivia Rodrigo. Oh, absolutely. Love was with
24:02her the other day. Phenomenal talent, friend, person. Inspirational for sure. Love working with
24:10her. So much. Sabrina. Sister. Big time sister, phenomenal songwriter, trailblazer, fearless.
24:19Amazing. Shout out to Sabrina. One more. Let's see. Harry Styles. Oh, H. H. Yeah,
24:27he was like the first time I was like really starstruck. I think in a session. I had never
24:32read. Yeah, I hadn't gotten scared really before. And I remember walking in that day or we met,
24:37we got like lunch before with my friend Tom, who was producing. And like before we did two days
24:42together, and I was so nervous to meet him. But within one second, we were like, break dancing
24:47in the studio and having so much fun had the best two days. And we did the first day we did a song
24:52called Adore You, which is one of my favorite songs I've ever been a part of. So yeah, love
24:56Harry. No, no big deal. All right. Last one, actually. Okay. Tate McRae. Oh, also one of the
25:02absolute best to ever do it. Sweetest girl I fucking know. And so talented and hardworking
25:08and humble. Like humble, humble, humble. Oh, she feels like one of my friends back home in Maine.
25:13Honestly, I love her so much. Yeah, like you said, so talented. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Do you see
25:19that immediately with some of these people when you first meet him? You're like, yeah, easy.
25:23Definitely. It's interesting, because I meet so many different types of people. And sometimes I
25:27go into a room and I meet an artist, or a writer or producer, and I'm like, okay, that's somebody
25:32that is like, so artsy, and so about their craft. And, you know, like, put into kind of like this
25:39whole other sphere, I can't even imagine ever being in like, I don't see myself that way. And
25:42then I meet somebody else. And I'm like, Oh, they're like a friend. They're so artistic,
25:47but they also have some this thing about them. They're, they're so approachable, and like one
25:50of my best friends from home. And those end up being the people that I am like constantly creating
25:55with, because not only are they so artistic, but they somehow amongst the fame and the art they're
26:00making, they've like managed to keep themselves like so intact as a human as a good person and as
26:07a creator. And so it's really fun for me to work with those people. And then to have success with
26:11those people is like the best possible feeling the best. Yeah, they deserve it. Right? 1000%.
26:16And you deserve it, too. Congratulations on all the success. It's been an unreal year. How are
26:21you going to celebrate like we're wrapping up 2024? I know going home to Maine in two days,
26:26which I'm very excited. I'm going to see the whole fam. And then I'm going to London for a long time.
26:31So I'm very excited to get some like cold weather for the holidays. Wow. Very excited.
26:36Cold weather fan. Around the holidays, like Christmas time. Yeah, big cold weather feels
26:40right. Yeah. Escape LA for a little bit. Definitely. Well, I can't wait for all the
26:44awards season to come up. I'm sure it'll be a big part of it. And continued success. Thank you
26:48for the time and letting us know what you're up to and telling us some fun
26:51stories. Appreciate it so much. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too.