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00:00There is a serious humanitarian crisis in Kurum and it is only getting worse and more and more children are coming in its arms.
00:06Last week when we spoke to Faisal Iddi, he said that about 50 children have died in this matter
00:12because medicines could not reach there and treatment could not be done.
00:15The Majlis-e-Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen claim that there are about 100 children in total.
00:20This is their claim and they should be verified independently.
00:24All the organizations that are involved in this humanitarian crisis can tell us about it.
00:29But for now, its effects are seen all over the country.
00:32In Karachi, protests have been held at about 13 places.
00:36In Lahore, protests have been held.
00:38In Peshawar, protests have been held.
00:41Now we are seeing that the other stakeholders are also going there and having meetings.
00:48So its scope can increase.
00:50This is a very worrisome thing.
00:52The government, as usual, as all governments do, is downplaying the deaths.
00:57Last week, Barista Saif said that 29 children did not die.
01:01But Faisal Iddi said that they have died.
01:03Now he is saying that the claim of 100 is also wrong.
01:06100 children have not died.
01:08So the governments, as usual, are doing the same work as Barista Saif is doing now.
01:12When Majlis-e-Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen's head gave an interview in Wasim Badami's show,
01:16he was very upset.
01:18He said that the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is an ally of Tehrik-e-Insaf.
01:24Let's listen to what he said.
01:49What is the magnitude of carelessness?
01:53Last week, Faisal Iddi was saying in my show that at least 50 children's deaths can be confirmed.
01:59How much more time has passed?
02:01Ten more days have passed.
02:03And surely the number of children's deaths will be increasing there.
02:07What did Faisal say?
02:09There are only 29 children in the district headquarter hospital in two months.
02:13The figures of the other private hospitals are different.
02:16Now the private hospitals have also closed the children's wards.
02:19If you go to the Sunni areas, this is also the situation of the Sunni areas.
02:22They also have a lot of deaths that are not in the figures.
02:25You have to double it.
02:27If you want to estimate it, you have to consider it double.
02:30Okay, you are saying more than 50.
02:32You are saying 58.
02:34More than 50.
02:36More than 50.
02:38Tipu Masood is with us in the program.
02:40He is a senior journalist.
02:42He is also the co-founder of Khurasan Diaries.
02:44Thank you for joining us, Tipu.
02:46The Grand Jirga was saying that all the people there should get their weapons collected.
02:55That is, they should de-weaponize it.
02:57And the people there are not ready to accept it.
03:00Why?
03:01Are weapons very important for them?
03:02It's a way of life.
03:03They don't understand anything else.
03:05Their survival is with those weapons.
03:07That's why they don't want to give it.
03:09There have been many sessions of the Jirga in the Khura Emergency.
03:13But they have not reached an agreement yet.
03:15Those teams are not ready to sign.
03:17Now, a team asked them to sit again tomorrow.
03:21And we will consult again.
03:23Then maybe we will agree.
03:25So there are two big issues coming up.
03:27And the senior officials of the KP government are also saying the same.
03:29Of the provincial government.
03:31That there is a de-weaponization issue there.
03:33And there is no solution without it.
03:35Because such incidents can happen again.
03:37And the second thing is that the bunkers are built there.
03:39And if you look at the pictures of those bunkers.
03:41They are built like an army.
03:43In a war-torn area.
03:45They are not made of stone.
03:47In other tribal areas.
03:49In Waziristan itself.
03:51When there were tribal wars there.
03:53They used to make it.
03:55But these are made of cement.
03:57These are made of concrete.
03:59These people can stay there.
04:01They can stay there for a week.
04:03So these two issues are still in the Jirga.
04:05In both teams.
04:07So these two issues are still in the Jirga.
04:09And the main hurdle is also coming from there.
04:11The second thing is that.
04:13Because of this, the local people.
04:15Like you mentioned.
04:17That children are dying there.
04:19The roads are closed there.
04:21The whole area is cut off from Pakistan.
04:23The Shia cannot go to the Sunni area.
04:25The Sunni cannot go to the Shia area.
04:27So I think.
04:29This hostility there.
04:31And the intensity.
04:33That now only protests are taking place in other parts of the country.
04:35So it is possible that.
04:37We saw a wave of sectarian conflict.
04:39That to other cities.
04:41Especially those areas which are sensitive.
04:43They have a lot of threats.
04:45The third most important thing is.
04:47The Jihadi groups.
04:49From both sides.
04:51They have encrypted channels.
04:53Telegram etc.
04:55So there is a lot of debate on this issue.
04:57One side is saying that we should go.
04:59There should be involvement in this.
05:01And these are international organizations.
05:03The most important thing.
05:05Is that the government.
05:07Should make this a top priority.
05:09Where they can pressurize.
05:11They should also put pressure.
05:13On the people of the area.
05:15Because then the situation will be such.
05:17That it will not spread all over the country again.
05:19But this is a civil matter.
05:21But there is also a matter of death.
05:23Both governments.
05:25Are using their full.
05:27They have capital.
05:29Be it social or power.
05:31Negotiation zones.
05:33Till now we have seen.
05:35That they are blaming each other.
05:37Especially between the federal government.
05:39And the provincial government.
05:41But the security forces.
05:43And their senior officials.
05:45They are also participating.
05:47In these sessions.
05:49So they are trying.
05:51But I think.
05:53If this matter is not solved by tomorrow.
05:55Then the government.
05:57Will go to the force.
05:59Because the weapons there.
06:01Are not ordinary weapons.
06:03It is very sophisticated.
06:05It has anti-aircraft guns.
06:07It has short range missiles.
06:09Which can fire for many kilometers.
06:11And it also has imported weapons.
06:13Other than other countries.
06:15Another thing to do there.
06:17Is the Pak-Afghan border.
06:19Because Kuram Jai.
06:21Touches Afghanistan from three sides.
06:23And that area.
06:25Is also a very troubled area.
06:27So we have to pay attention.
06:29To the border control there.
06:31Because it is a criss-crossing.
06:33For the militants.
06:35And the smugglers.
06:37So that they don't de-weaponize.
06:39And after two months.
06:41The smugglers come back.
06:43So we have to pay attention.
06:45To the border control there.
06:47Without these three things.
06:49I don't think.
06:51There will be peace in the area.
06:53And it is the responsibility.
06:55People are dying there.
06:57And the common people there.
06:59Are not getting any better.
07:01So it is their responsibility.
07:03The religious scholars.
07:05Are coming out of their sect.
07:07And are giving birth to humanity.
07:09So we have to pay attention.
07:11That if one sect is harmed.
07:13Then the other sect will also be harmed.
07:15So I think the religious scholars.
07:17Should definitely come forward.
07:19And the government.
07:21The KP government should initiate.
07:23The local council.
07:25So that this issue.
07:27Is solved peacefully.
07:29Thank you very much.
07:31You help us understand.
07:33The complex situation.
07:35The program is over.
07:37Don't forget to give your feedback.