"2013 mein Nawaz Sharif maqbool thay, phir Imran Khan, ab ghair maqbool hukumat aayi hai." Fawad
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00:00It was a huge for me step.
00:03I don't think there has ever been a president who has been a 3-star general, a former corps commander and a former DG ISI.
00:13I think this is a red line that has been crossed.
00:16People have been saying for a long time that it will never happen.
00:20It happened.
00:21And after that red line was crossed, the mood of Pakistan's politics changed.
00:27Why?
00:28Because on that day, I realized how far the harshness that is coming from here can go.
00:33So now when we talk about compromising, that mood was set after that day.
00:39And I don't think there is any strategic shift in it.
00:42It can be done tactically.
00:44But strategically, the step that was taken, until Hashim does not reach his logical conclusion,
00:51I don't see any big change in the establishment.
00:54But how surprised were you when you saw it?
00:57I think I was not very surprised.
01:01I'll be honest with you.
01:02Did you think it would happen?
01:03I thought it would happen.
01:04See, the whole establishment runs from the number one.
01:11And all the anecdotal evidence that was coming from people was that it would happen this way.
01:17So I was not actually surprised.
01:19And the people who are talking now that there will be a way out of this.
01:24Muzakirat is another important one for me.
01:28But you say that there is a black and white approach.
01:33And can I add to this that when it happened on 9th May,
01:36a lot of soldiers were picked up,
01:38whose court-martial is still being held in the military courts.
01:42A lot of soldiers and families were picked up who were present at GHQs and other places.
01:47Was it a sign also that there was a zero tolerance policy?
01:50Yeah, at least this guy is different from other people.
01:53The one who used to care about the army.
01:56But Ali, if you look closely, the work started from there.
01:59So it was building up.
02:00So that's why I'm saying that when General Faiz Ameed came,
02:03I was not surprised because when you were reading the room,
02:07you could hear from the room that these matters were going that way.
02:10That pendulum has gone even more extreme.
02:12Because the repression that has taken place,
02:14the way the arrests have been made,
02:16the way there have been raids in houses,
02:18we were listening to that as well.
02:20That extreme pendulum was going on and on.
02:23And there have been excesses.
02:25But that made it clear that the institution that is ready to go to that level,
02:30will also keep its own people in the middle.
02:33And Mr. Durrani, lines were drawn at that time.
02:37After this, now everyone can see that if this can happen,
02:41then this line will be drawn.
02:45Actually, the discussion you have had here,
02:48I have a slightly different view on it.
02:51I think that from 1954 to today,
02:55Justice, Establishment, Bureaucracy and so on,
02:59it has been in an alliance.
03:01When has there been a difference?
03:03Until 1972, you people had not separated East Pakistan.
03:08You did not make the constitution.
03:10In 1973, you made the constitution.
03:13And then tell me,
03:15which election will take place after 1973,
03:19which was won by the same party,
03:21without the permission of the establishment,
03:23without the permission of the administration,
03:25and without the permission of the judiciary?
03:29Yes, make 2024 a benchmark.
03:33Here, the people have flexed their muscles,
03:36for the first time in the history of Pakistan.
03:40There is no role of the judiciary in this.
03:42There is no role of any kind of bureaucracy in this.
03:46Everyone has tried their best to suppress the people.
03:49They could not suppress them.
03:51You suppressed them, sir.
03:52You suppressed them.
03:53That means the third party became number one
03:55and made the government.
03:56This is how you suppress the people.
03:58You should suppress them.
04:00The day the government runs,
04:02that day I will listen to you.
04:04This is fine.
04:05There is another argument for running.
04:07Sir, Mr. Fawad has a question for Mr. Durrani.
04:10Mr. Durrani, because my brothers are from this area
04:12and I have a lot of love for them.
04:14Mr. Durrani, you have said a very beautiful thing,
04:16that this alliance has been going on since the 1950s,
04:18as you have said.
04:19Have you ever been a part of this alliance
04:21or have you distanced yourself from it?
04:23Mr. Durrani, allow me to say one thing.
04:26I was covering a press conference of yours
04:28before the 2002 elections.
04:30Mr. Durrani, you must remember,
04:32you were in the Millat Party at that time.
04:34You and Aila Malik Sahiba were in the press conference.
04:37Someone asked a question.
04:38She was a Catholic at that time.
04:40She is from the King's Party.
04:41She will win everything.
04:42Mr. Durrani, your answer was,
04:44we are also from the King's Party.
04:46Sir, allow me to answer him.
04:48I have a lot of love for my brothers.
04:50Mr. Durrani, are you also a part of the alliance
04:52that you are condemning?
04:54Yes, yes, I am telling you.
04:56I am telling you that until 2012,
04:59I was not a part of these alliances.
05:02I have seen them from the inside.
05:04And let me tell you that
05:06after 1973, all the governments that came,
05:08if Mr. Bhutto had not come,
05:12they could not have come.
05:14Similarly, if Zia-ul-Haq had not brought in Mr. Mian,
05:16they could not have come.
05:18If Musharraf had not brought in Mr. Chaudhry,
05:20they could not have come.
05:22Until 2018,
05:24if Imran Khan had not brought in Mr. Bajwa,
05:26they could not have come.
05:28Mr. Durrani,
05:30it is unfortunate that
05:32it has become normal for us
05:34that elections have been rigged.
05:36We say that
05:38no election is clean in history.
05:40I have a lot of topics to cover.
05:42I have a lot of topics to cover.
05:44I have a lot of topics to cover.
05:46I have a lot of topics to cover.
05:48Let them accept
05:50that they have turned everything upside down.
05:52that they have turned everything upside down.
05:54After this, when you go to 2025,
05:56I will tell you the list of what is going to happen in 2025.
05:58I will tell you the list of what is going to happen in 2025.
06:00I will go.
06:02Quick comment.
06:04No offences to anyone.
06:06As long as you are a part of it,
06:08a beneficiary of this system,
06:10of this alliance that my brother mentioned,
06:12of this alliance that my brother mentioned,
06:14you defend it, justify it,
06:16and propagate it.
06:18The moment you are useless for them,
06:20and they turn you aside,
06:22you criticize, get angry,
06:24My brother says that once he was part of it,
06:26it was fine.
06:28Once he is out of the system,
06:30people make mistakes.
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