Heated Debate Between Faisal Chaudhry And Rauf Klasra - Watch Video
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00:00How do you see media and social media?
00:02How many restrictions are there on our media in this year, in 2024?
00:06I can tell you, as usual, the space is always open and closed.
00:11In 2023, after 9th May, he knows a lot of things.
00:17He's been an information minister also.
00:19She's saying that in my time, everything was allowed.
00:21These restrictions, from 2018 to 2019...
00:25Our time was the golden age.
00:28It was a golden age.
00:31If I don't mind, I would like to make a comment.
00:34Your bus didn't run. You get people beaten up here.
00:37If you get another chance, you'll get them beaten up.
00:39Don't say that. You weren't such a good Democrat.
00:41In your time, you've had a lot of problems with the media.
00:45It's okay now.
00:47I think so, Mr. Fahad.
00:49You can sit with me on this.
00:51In my time, it was the best time.
00:53You're not wrong when you say this.
00:56If a package is made at any time and it's run, you can't go.
01:00Whether the bus runs or not, it's your perception.
01:02You can make it at home.
01:04I sat at home. I came to the field.
01:06A lot of people traveled in your time.
01:08The real money was made by the media in our time.
01:12For a change.
01:14Do you remember how to fix the national media?
01:18How to do it?
01:20Do you remember your statements?
01:22I'm still against this.
01:24I'm still against it.
01:26Why are you wasting taxpayer money?
01:28I'm still against it.
01:30You had a few more.
01:32General Gafoor, Imran Khan.
01:34You made a lot of plans for the media.
01:36Take some responsibility.
01:38You can do your programs with me.
01:40You can make me on your TV.
01:42I'll sit with you.
01:44Okay.
01:46When Mr. Fahad says that in his time,
01:48there was a lot of milk and honey.
01:50The media was free.
01:52Let me tell you.
01:54There was an increase in your profits.
01:56You are the one who started
01:58the information war against the media.
02:00This is a topic.
02:02I'm talking in generic terms.
02:04It's not specific.
02:06Okay.
02:08Hello.
02:10I'm coming to you, Mr. Mirza.
02:12Go ahead.
02:14I'm just saying to go ahead.
02:16Fahad and Rahul.
02:18Our space is always open.
02:21Since the hybrid system came,
02:23space is shrinking.
02:25We can tolerate this pressure.
02:27We can tolerate it.
02:29Sometimes there is someone
02:31under the hammer.
02:33It depends on who is the darling
02:35and who is the opponent.
02:37Is there a way to stop this?
02:39Will it continue like this in 2025?
02:41This is a trend.
02:43In 2008-2013,
02:45the people's party had the most space
02:47for the media.
02:49In 2013-2018,
02:51the PMLN's tolerance level
02:53was low.
02:55I don't think
02:57we had a problem with the politicians.
02:59No, we did.
03:01When you wanted to run a campaign
03:03against Nawaz Sharif,
03:05the media was told
03:07not to go there.
03:09The real role was to run
03:11a campaign against Imran.
03:13I agree with you,
03:15but you can't buy the politicians.
03:17You can't buy the politicians
03:19calling you and saying
03:21please don't do this.
03:23It happened many times.
03:25Do you take it seriously?
03:27It depends on the relationship.
03:29It depends on the intention
03:31and capability.
03:33Everyone has an intention.
03:35Those who have more capability
03:37are more effective.
03:39In 2018,
03:41the tolerance level was low.
03:43Since 2018,
03:45the tolerance level
03:47has been low.
03:49I don't think
03:51it will increase in 2025.
03:53Social media is
03:55the seed
03:57that we sowed
03:59on the mainstream media.
04:01We used to see
04:03400-500 people
04:05getting killed,
04:07murdering people,
04:09billions of dollars.
04:11We used to see
04:14that in 2013
04:16the level of
04:18allegations on the mainstream media
04:20is very low.
04:22Let me spin this question.
04:24Did you squeeze the mainstream media
04:26and open up
04:28the space for social media?
04:30You don't let TV or newspaper
04:32publish, but you can't stop it.
04:34Did you open up the space for that?
04:36This is a very important point.
04:38You can tolerate
04:40the criticism,
04:42but you can't tolerate
04:44the criticism.
04:46We say things
04:48that you don't like,
04:50but you can say it in a way.
04:52It's not our job
04:54to tell you
04:56what to do.
04:58It's our job
05:00to do it in a better way.
05:02There are some things
05:04that you can't do,
05:06but it's written in your constitution
05:08that you can't go that far.
05:10Do you think
05:12that the mainstream media
05:14has been the target
05:16of criticism
05:18because
05:202,000 people
05:22work for you?
05:24People should know
05:26that if the channels
05:28shut down,
05:30it's very difficult
05:32to stand there.
05:34You have to beg
05:36and ask for directions.
05:39The conditions get worse.
05:41So don't shut down the channels.
05:43Let's work in this space.
05:45But because of that,
05:47on November 26 or 24,
05:49everybody was saying
05:51that we are watching social media
05:53because information is on social media.
05:55The mainstream media
05:57is not allowed to do anything.
05:59One thing that was unprecedented
06:01was the kind of actions
06:03that were taken against the journalists.
06:05Even after November 26,
06:07the government of Shahbaz Sharif
06:09was not allowed to do anything.
06:11If you look at the basics
06:13of social media,
06:15when our
06:17Mukta Dara
06:19or the establishment
06:21had appointed a keyboard warrior
06:23a few years ago,
06:25you appointed thousands
06:27and thousands of people
06:29and they got paid.
06:31You made it an economy
06:33that whoever speaks against it
06:35will get paid.
06:37When there was a popular narrative
06:39about dollarization
06:41and some people
06:43from the old establishment
06:45sat down and said
06:47that whoever speaks against
06:49the establishment's
06:51favourite politician
06:53will be harassed.
06:55This hybrid system
06:57that you and I are complaining about
06:59started in 2018.
07:01Even the Prime Minister
07:03and the colonels
07:05used to get calls
07:07from the ISPR
07:09asking them to delete
07:11certain tweets
07:13that you cannot do
07:15on Twitter.
07:17Even the owners
07:19used to get calls
07:21asking them to delete
07:23certain tweets
07:25that they did not like.
07:27So the hybrid system
07:29that you have given
07:32has been commercialized.
07:34Mr. Ikhlasra has said
07:36exactly what
07:38all these people
07:40believe
07:42that it can be generated.
07:44Atar had said
07:46in great detail
07:48that there is no control
07:50on social media.