Do you trust Eliot Wolf with the first overall pick, or this year's draft picks in general? What could the Patriots get in return for #1?
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00:00This is Eric from Wakefield.
00:01Hello, Eric.
00:03Hey guys, a couple of things, uh, shine.
00:06You do a great job with the lead-ins, but you're never going
00:08to make a GM for the Patriots.
00:10So first of all, let me just say this.
00:13I heard what you would trade back for the first round pick a first and third and a
00:17fifth, uh, Chicago got two ones, two twos and David Moore, and they're still
00:26recuperating, they're still giving this year's second round pick.
00:30So, you know, for the Patriots only to get a third and a five and a future
00:35number one, that's like all it takes is two partners to try to get Shador Sanders.
00:41That's all it's going to take.
00:41And he's a better quarterback than Bryce Young.
00:43So the bidding, so even David Putney got back on the trade with draft day.
00:48So they should get a player back.
00:50And I'm just going to say one more thing, guys, and I'll listen
00:52to what you have to say.
00:54Um, Gerard Mayo loses his job if they win this game.
00:57That's all I get to say.
00:58And I'll wait to hear what you got to say, but they need a ransom for the pets.
01:02Yeah.
01:02Uh, that's the difference though, is that Chicago moved up or I'm
01:05sorry, uh, Carolina moved from nine to one in the scenario he was talking about.
01:09I was talking with Bradford about, uh, how the Patriots should move from one to
01:13four, so you're moving a lot less farther down the board, so it's
01:17not going to cost as much.
01:19Also, uh, Bryce Young, CJ Stratton, Anthony Richardson were also all much
01:23more valuable at the time of the draft than should earn Cam Mordor.
01:28So the price again is not going to be quite as high.
01:31Also, was it Nick, right?
01:33Suggesting that you're the new England Patriots and you trade Drake May.
01:38Yeah.
01:38This guy is such an idiot.
01:39That is just the new England Patriots.
01:44You have to do your due diligence.
01:45I mean, I'm sorry though.
01:46That's that is just classic clickbait.
01:48Like nobody actually believes that, right?
01:50Nobody, nobody thinks that that is a good idea.
01:53That is somebody who just wants to get clicks.
01:54Yeah.
01:54A hundred percent.
01:55He's an, he's a chiefs fan and this is just a dumb, dumb take.
01:59Like the, if you're the new England Patriots, you know, you have your
02:02quarterback, you're, you have zero intention of actually picking
02:04the number one overall spot.
02:06Like there's no intention of doing that.
02:07You want to trade out to a team that wants a quarterback.
02:10That's all you want to do.
02:11And you want to acquire assets to then try and help build the rest
02:14of your team around Drake May.
02:16Do you trust Elliot Wolfe with all of these picks going forward?
02:20No, absolutely not.
02:21I wouldn't, I would be firing Elliot Wolfe.
02:24Well, they're going to have to at a certain point because for so long,
02:27Bill Belichick took all of the slings and arrows when it came to people
02:30upset with how the draft wound up being.
02:33And they thought that Bill controlled it all.
02:35If you, if we're seeing another bad off season, then he has to go.
02:39Greg, somehow in one of the most historically great NFL drafts,
02:44in memory, he missed on everything outside of Drake May, who he
02:49fell ass backwards into, correct?
02:51How can you trust any credit for Drake May?
02:54There's no credit whatsoever for Drake May that goes to Elliot Wolfe.
02:58No, he was the third quarterback available and you were the third pick.
03:05This is Ryan from Manchester.
03:07Hello, Ryan.
03:09We talked about this last week.
03:11We talked about this last week, Sean.
03:13Serious franchises don't trade the number one pick.
03:15Chicago is not a serious franchise.
03:17You can't say my, my organization is so incompetent.
03:21We've created so many holes that we're going to trade a potential hall of
03:24famer so I can get three offensive linemen and a wicked good special team.
03:28Sean, you take the best player available.
03:29You're not even close to winning.
03:31Well, how do you build a franchise?
03:32Ryan, why would you take the best player available?
03:34Does the best player available make you a good team next year?
03:38Wait, wait, you were trading down and getting three linemen
03:40makes you a good team next year.
03:41Are you making a playoff and making a run?
03:42I'm not saying take three linemen, Ryan.
03:44I said, get draft picks so that you could draft in next year's draft.
03:47That should be better than this one.
03:48Ryan, you're saying, what gives you any, any inkling to think that
03:54they can make those draft picks work?
03:55What makes you any confident that they're going to turn
03:57around and make these work?
03:59That's exactly why I said fire.
04:00Wolf million dollars in cap space.
04:02You need to listen, Ryan.
04:03That's why I also said fire Wolf and bring in somebody who actually knows
04:06how to do the job like I've, I've, I've been very consistent on this.
04:09It's straight down to acquire picks.
04:11Can Wolf's ass.
04:12Cause he can't make any picks and bring in somebody who actually
04:15doesn't value it.
04:18Craft makes the decision.
04:19John craft is your GM.
04:20And when you can start to accept that, maybe you can start
04:23to see the bigger picture.
04:24Yeah.
04:24If, if, if the crafts are your GM, then you're just permanently screwed.
04:29Like that's nothing.
04:30If that's the, yeah.
04:31And if that's the case, you're going to miss on the taking
04:33the number one pick anyways.
04:35So I'd rather you take as many shots in the garden to be happy about shine.
04:38Shine.
04:39We've got four years.
04:40The sacrilege of this organization is letting Tom Brady walk out the door,
04:43because you wouldn't pay the guy.
04:45And then you stabbed bill Belichick in the back and you got together and
04:48cahoots with all the other owners to say, you can't hire this guy because
04:51if he hired him and he won a super bowl, it would be a bad look for the craft.
04:55So the craft stabbed him in the back.
04:57He's now a UNC.
04:58You gotta be kidding me.
04:59Don't tell me the crafts aren't doing this all behind the scenes.
05:01They only hired Elliot Wolfe and Gerard Mayo because they're yes, man.
05:04Remember they wanted their team back and they got it.
05:07So give me something to be excited about.
05:09Travis Hunter is exciting, but that's the thing.
05:11If they're going to pick it.
05:12Number one, they're going to take a tackle at number one, Ryan.
05:15That's what you're not understanding.
05:16No, they will.
05:17No.
05:17Yes.
05:17Ryan, I would, I would wager any amount of money that I own that that's exactly
05:22what they would do if they stayed at number one, they're not taking Travis.
05:25Let's have this conversation next year.
05:27And let's remember this is that they take an offensive tackle at number one.
05:30I mean, listen, I wouldn't doubt it, but if they do it, the fan base will revolt.
05:34Do you think they're going to bring back Mayo next year?
05:36And should that.
05:37I think they will.
05:38I don't think they should.
05:40Oh, you finally, wait a minute.
05:42You finally come over to my side on that.
05:44Yeah.
05:45And it happened when, uh, Keon White decided to start saying there needs to be
05:49changes, which indicated to me, there was a lot of issues in that locker room.
05:53And so once you're bad and you start losing the locker room, that's
05:56when you deserve to be fired.
05:58It's one thing to just be bad when you have a bad roster and
06:00you're given a bad roster.
06:01But then when you actually start losing your locker room on top of that, which
06:04is like the most important job as a coach, you then you lost the locker room
06:09a long time ago, when you actually think about it, the mutiny thing was
06:14actually more accurate than probably, but that was Drake may relate it to be,
06:18but it was Drake matter.
06:20It doesn't matter what it's related to.
06:22It's, uh, it's, it's, I think it does.
06:25It doesn't.
06:26If they get a bad taste in their mouth with the guy in charge, then that's
06:28probably going to linger for quite some time.
06:30I mean, to say that it was Drake may related, I don't think matters, but
06:35I don't know that you need in the locker room.
06:37A great head coach is able to write the ship.
06:39It doesn't seem like that happened.
06:40He did.
06:41But like at the time he did, yeah.
06:43By putting in Drake may, he then righted the ship for the time being.
06:46And then they continue to lose a ton and they continue to be bad.
06:49And so then people lost their minds.
06:51And I think the mutiny originally wasn't directed at Gerard Mayo because
06:54Gerard Mayo told us Drake may was the better quarterback.
06:57He clearly wanted to start Drake may off the bat, but was told he couldn't.
07:01And so the mutiny would have been in reaction to the people above him.
07:04Not him.
07:05I think now though, the reaction from guys like Keone white indicate to me
07:09that they've started to, he started to lose the locker room.
07:13That is when the media actually does play a part because Gerard Mayo has
07:16told us on this show that every, that these guys listen to what's being said
07:20or what he is saying through the media.
07:22So if he's saying that Drake may is the better guy and that he is the one
07:26who makes all of the football decisions because he is the head coach, then
07:29they have to believe that they just, and they believed him, but this is his
07:33problem is he says that, and then he says with con, but I consult with
07:38everybody in the organization.
07:40I make all the decisions, but I get input by, I mean, I, but Courtney's
07:44right, like he's sitting there on this show at the end of camp and saying
07:49that Drake may was the better option.
07:52Yeah, he absolutely did.
07:54And he was being told he couldn't start him like those.
07:57I don't think he has made like one legitimate coaching decision.
08:01I think all of those decisions were made for him.
08:03And that's a shame by whom, because he's been people above him, whether
08:07it's Elliot Wolf or the crafts, somebody is making those decisions for him.
08:11This is Kenny from Norwood.
08:13Hello, Kenny.
08:15If I would Gerard Mayo, I would, after Sunday's game, I would resign before
08:21I destroy my coaching future any further.
08:23And I would drag the crafts through the mud.
08:25I would say I was given an absolutely horrible roster with the
08:28exception of lucking into Drake Bay.
08:30I wasn't allowed to pick my coordinators or any of my staff.
08:34And I've had the ownership breathing down my neck over every decision that I make.
08:37And he might even come clean and said, I wanted to start Drake.
08:41Maybe one of the crafts would let me, I would walk away, start fresh because
08:45he's not, he's probably going to get fired and probably never going to get
08:48another head coaching job for a long time.
08:50If this is the way he appears to be as a coach.
08:53Yeah.
08:54I mean, I, the unfortunate thing is that even if you're not, you know, your hands
09:00are tied and they're not allowing you to make any decision, you took the job.
09:05And in the, in the end, you're the head coach.
09:09So you ought to be out there doing whatever you want to do, get fired for
09:14what you want to do, not for what somebody else tells you to do is, is the
09:19philosophy that he ought to embrace.
09:22He probably feels a lot of, um, like he owes the crafts a lot though, as a
09:28rookie head coach, I hear you like he should be going out doing what he thinks
09:32is best, not what anybody above him or, or next to him is telling him to do.
09:36But if you're Gerard Mayo and Robert Kraft gives you an opportunity like this,
09:41you probably owe some loyalty towards him, or you feel like you owe a lot.
09:45But basic decisions that you would think are like the natural decision that one
09:51would make that aren't being made by other people in game decisions, he's not
09:58even making those, I mean, he's not like, we talked about it earlier.
10:03He's got Drake may in that blowout after getting his, his, uh, bell rung.
10:10It like he doesn't, nobody else is going to make that decision.
10:12Make that decision yourself.
10:14Yeah.
10:15Uh, you know, he, he, he, when it comes to bad spots, he doesn't even, he, I don't
10:23even know if he sees it or he, but he doesn't, he certainly doesn't get out
10:28there and say, wait a minute, that's a horrendous spot.
10:31I just, it's, I just don't think he's a really nice man.
10:37He wasn't ready for this, Greg.
10:38Like, let's be completely honest.
10:39He was a guy thrown into a job.
10:41He had zero qualifications for.
10:44In your minds though, is it, is there a glaring oversight or has there been just
10:47a lot of little things that add to not wanting him or thinking he is ready for
10:53the job?
10:53Like, has there been one major, this is a fireable offense in your mind, or is
10:58it just he, the way he walks back in the media, the way in which he didn't start
11:02Drake may in the beginning when we think he probably wanted to the way in which he
11:07handles in game decisions.
11:09To me, I just wonder if there is something so glaring that the crafts can point to
11:15and say, yes, this is why he's out.
11:17Well, don't you think the, the delay in starting Drake may should, is a giant
11:23mistake, but the crafts won't blame him for that.
11:25Cause again, I don't think it was his decision.
11:27Like that was probably Elliot or van Pelt or the crafts decision to wait on Drake
11:32may like that wasn't his.
11:33So they're not going to blame him for that.
11:35If they're going to blame him for anything, it's the monstrous amount of
11:38miscues he makes in the media, the decisions in game, the lack of
11:42aggressiveness.
11:44Like those are the things that the crafts can point to the decline of the defense.
11:48Absolutely.
11:48That's another thing that he can, they can absolutely point to should be his
11:52bread and butter.
11:55They stink.
11:56Yeah.
11:56They can't get any pressure.
11:58They can't stop the run to save their lives.
12:00I mean, and that's just tackling that's just effort and tackling a lot of the
12:03times and they still can't do that.
12:05You, you know, and every wiggy for a long time pointed and Curtis pointed at the
12:12roster that he was left with as an excuse.
12:15And I get that part of it, but you had a massive addition in the form of Drake may
12:21and you had a much easier schedule this season than you had last season.
12:27Yes.
12:28And you're not going to, you're not going to beat last year's, uh, win total.
12:35So that's a failure.
12:37Well, he says injuries though.
12:38That's what Gerard always points to every NFL team deals with injuries or the lions.
12:43And yet the lions, the lions are like, you know what?
12:45We have an entire starting roster worth of players on the IR on our defense.
12:49It doesn't matter.
12:50We're going to go score 50 points and win every game.
12:51I don't know how you can look at Mike Rabel and the fact that he wants this job
12:57and is telling people that he wants the job and not consider him.
13:01Yeah.
13:01I mean, you have to consider like that's business malfeasance if you're the crafts
13:08and you don't at least consider that, but like more importantly, they just, they
13:12need to do like legitimate hiring searches.
13:15They need to talk to people outside of the organization, outside of just
13:19people they don't know and like learn a few things, whether it's, you know, GMs
13:23from outside the organization, coaches from outside the organization, but you
13:27get all that with Mike Rabel, he, he has, he has the connections, he has the staff.
13:33He's done the job before he hits the ground running like he's, but then you
13:38also put your quarterback in a tough spot because now you're bringing in Mike
13:41variables, offensive coordinator.
13:42And if your quarterback makes him good, he might get a head coaching job.
13:45So like, it would also behoove the crafts to interview offensive
13:48coordinator, possible head coaches, guys like Liam Cohen or Zach Robinson, uh,
13:53or, you know, the Bobby Sloaks of the world, interview those guys and bring
13:57them in and at least talk to them because you have, you have to do a, and you have
14:00to do an entire search this time, because last time you didn't even interview anybody.
14:04No, this is Dave from Connecticut.
14:07Hello, Dave.
14:10Hey, what's up, Dave?
14:10What's up, Dave?
14:12This is Dave from Connecticut.
14:13Hello, Dave.
14:15Hey, good morning.
14:16Hope everybody had a nice vacation.
14:18Yes, sir.
14:19I just wanted to, uh, I just wanted to just make a comment on this upcoming draft.
14:24I think it's probably the most important one post Brady and it shines a hundred
14:28percent, right?
14:29It doesn't matter if you have the first, third, 10, if you don't have talent
14:32evaluators in your room, it's a Patriots have none because look at the draft.
14:36They fell into Drake May the only reason why they got him.
14:39You look at a team like the chargers, you know, you listen to the game and
14:43they're, they're pointing out, Oh, this is a first year player out of the second
14:46round, out of the first year player, out of the six round, those people know how
14:51to evaluate talent.
14:52We have nobody, nobody that knows how to evaluate talent.
14:56That's where they need to spend money.
14:57Go out and find those guys, pay them and bring them here.
15:00Because if not season ticket holders like myself, this is our last year.
15:05I'm giving it because you can't break even.
15:07I used to get tickets cause I could at least sell them and break even and go to
15:10see a few games.
15:11But you know, this is the first year that I was glad I had tickets on the visitor's
15:15side because I could actually sell some of my tickets.
15:18I lost money on them, but the people who are coming from out of town, they're
15:21buying our tickets on our side rather than the Patriots side.
15:25It's kind of sad.
15:26It is.
15:29I hope you weren't booing, but that's, that's classless.
15:34The crafts have to realize that the, their season ticket holders,
15:37they're losing them.
15:37Like they, so I think they probably see it, but if they're seeing that and it's
15:42money out of their pocket, then that's when you're going to have to do some real
15:45change.
15:45And that's when you're going to see a difference with the crafts.
15:48It's going to take them feeling the impact of, of people not wanting to go to
15:51games.
15:52How are they not feeling it?
15:53The, the, the, the, their fans are chanting that they want the head coach fired.
15:58Like, how are they not feeling that?
16:01Well, I mean, they, the fans were chanting that they hated, uh, uh, Mac
16:06Jones last season and he's no longer here, right?
16:10Yeah.
16:12Instead he's throwing a Brian Thomas, the best receiver I've ever seen.
16:15He's had a little bit of a turnaround.
16:16Okay.
16:18Time to relax.
16:19He lost to the Raiders.
16:20Let's.