Bushra Bibi's Secret Negotiations: What Was Presented to Her? Muneeb Farooq Reveals Everything
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00:00I will try to reflect on what I think later.
00:05The news basically, as Ustad-e-Muhtara Munsir Javed Sahib said or as you said,
00:11the meetings of Bushra Bibi Sahiba, I have been saying for the last 8-10 days that what she is doing,
00:18she is really doing it for her husband and today Ibrahim Khan confirmed it as well.
00:22In those meetings, there is a focus on one thing, only one thing.
00:26It is not a discussion of what you are offering and what we will offer you, basically it is not like that.
00:34If you allow me to say, it is a more instructive kind of discussion that your position is such that you do not have leverage.
00:42So if you want to get your husband out of jail and normalize the situation, then your husband has to concede.
00:50You will have to concede on some things.
00:52The basic thing is revolving around this.
00:54All the things, the commission, the fundamental thing which is more focused on by Bushra Bibi Sahiba is that what is there for us in this.
01:02It is the same thing again and again that what is there for us.
01:05And Bushra Bibi Sahiba is a loyal wife, as you said, as Ustad-e-Muhtara Munsir Javed Sahib said.
01:12And her fundamental point is that Imran Khan should come out.
01:16And she said to Imran Khan, in so many words, whenever they met, that it is important for you to come out.
01:23You can always bounce back, but for that, new things, new terms will come.
01:27The important issue is that this case of the tribunal, Mr. Malik, the important thing in this is that if someone agrees on this,
01:37that this should be done without influence and decisions should be made on this, then nothing else is left.
01:43Then, as you said, if a decision of one seat or two seats is made, then the perception is also a big matter.
01:51The second thing is that this commission thing, I would like to tell you very cautiously that it is not that you take the commission on 9th May.
02:02It is not like that.
02:03If that is there, then its TORs will be made in such a way that its limbs will be cut off.
02:07And it is the same thing that came out of it in 2014, the commission that was received in 2015,
02:12that the result was such that the one who came to the Tariq-e-Insaf, they killed him from top to top.
02:18But that is a matter of later, Muneeb.
02:20Your initial victory is obtained by the PTI, that yes, we have made a commission.
02:24Like you say in negotiations that look, we have forced it,
02:30whether the government is doing it or whatever, but the establishment is at least talking to you, indirectly.
02:36So you have to give your spin.
02:38If the government will give its own, they will give theirs.
02:40This is the problem, Mr. Malik.
02:42This is the issue.
02:44That here, the government does not matter to them.
02:48In fact, they would like the negotiations to end, everything falls apart.
02:52Because naturally, the government is benefitting.
02:54It is a beneficiary of the situation.
02:56The issue is that if we look at any politician in that way,
03:00if the political party has leverage, then it will do a good deal or a good negotiation.
03:06The question is whether Mr. Imran Khan or Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf have leverage.
03:10I think we all know that they do not have leverage at the moment.
03:14If you say about the commission, they will say that the commission is not important for them.
03:20Mind you, sir, the most important for them, you know, the be-all and end-all is Mr. Imran Khan's release.
03:26The release from jail.
03:28In what terms does that happen?
03:30That is what we have to see.
03:32Sir, I am talking about leverage.
03:34Yes, I agree that the PTI is not in a state of protest right now.
03:40What happened on 26th November, what happened before that, especially in Punjab,
03:44what happened here,
03:46how many workers are held inside,
03:48who died, who did not die,
03:50that is also not complete yet.
03:52The party is fatigued.
03:54But this is also a fact that two things are very unquestioned.
03:58One, Imran's support base is intact.
04:00Secondly, whoever is angry at PMLN,
04:04whoever is angry at the PPP,
04:06whoever is angry at the army,
04:08they are all standing with Imran Khan.
04:12One is their own support base,
04:14the other is the anti-base.
04:16And that is why their popular support is intact.
04:20This is a very big leverage
04:22because they have succeeded in making an anti-establishment,
04:26and this government has not made a counter-establishment.
04:30So this is not a lot of leverage.
04:32Sir, please don't mind what I am saying.
04:34There is no doubt,
04:36all the leverages you have made,
04:38they are absolutely valid.
04:40Let's be honest.
04:42But boss,
04:44you should also be able to use it.
04:48If I give you the latest iPhone,
04:50and you don't go beyond the limits,
04:52then what can happen?
04:54Right?
04:56Here, you can easily find Mullah Vikta Sajan on Kani Mukdi.
04:58By selling Jinn in Lailama.
05:00This is a basic thing.
05:02Whatever you are doing, you are doing it for me.
05:04The second thing is,
05:06please,
05:08I agree with Munir,
05:10and you and I,
05:12while living in Islamabad,
05:14have seen at least three governments go.
05:16You must remember,
05:18when Respected Benazir Bhutto's
05:20second government,
05:22Farooq Laghari, was breaking,
05:24then you had food.
05:26I came there late.
05:28All of you were after me.
05:30And those days,
05:32Senator Raza Rabbani,
05:34was the minister of Parliamentary Affairs,
05:36I said, sorry, I came late.
05:38I got the news that
05:40Farooq Laghari is going to break the government.
05:42And you remember,
05:44you were shouting at me,
05:46being a friend of Respected Benazir Rabbani,
05:48that I came after giving
05:50a speech at the National Assembly.
05:52You remember, don't you?
05:54Keeping the same thing in mind,
05:56it is possible that
05:58the thinking of the current government
06:00is wrong.
06:02But the current government,
06:04religiously, thinks that
06:06on 26th November,
06:08they broke their back.
06:10Therefore, you think that
06:12after that,
06:14when we have displayed
06:16our state power,
06:18now we have the leverage
06:20and not him.
06:22This can be a wrong perception.
06:24I am forced to give an example.
06:26So, they think that
06:28they will have to concede.
06:30And unfortunately,
06:32the way this committee
06:34that we can see,
06:36it seems to be
06:38conceding.
06:40For example,
06:42they say,
06:44we have two demands,
06:46what is there to write?
06:48Today, Barrister Gauhar
06:50came together and said,
06:52Imran Khan said,
06:54if you want to write,
06:56then write.
06:58Fawad Chaudhary has posted
07:00that this leadership,
07:02Imran Khan agreed to it.
07:04Otherwise, Imran Khan said,
07:06finish it.