Nicolás Maduro asume hoy su tercer mandato consecutivo como presidente de Venezuela, un cargo que ha ocupado durante los últimos 12 años. Mientras tanto, el líder opositor Edmundo González Urrutia regresa al país tras un exilio que lo llevó a recorrer América Latina. Su retorno coincide con una protesta convocada por María Corina Machado en España, que ha generado gran actividad y apoyo entre la comunidad venezolana. En medio de este clima político, se discuten las duras condiciones de las cárceles venezolanas y la necesidad de cambios políticos en el país.
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00:00And the date arrived, January 10th, and today, at noon,
00:05Nicolás Maduro is going to assume his third term in office.
00:09Terms that last six years.
00:11That is, in principle, he is going to have six more years ahead of him.
00:18He's been in power for 12 years now.
00:21And of course, the eyes of the world are on Venezuela
00:24because not only is this going to happen, but also, in principle,
00:29Edmundo González Urrutia would return to his country
00:32after being exiled since September
00:36and after having traveled part of Latin America, among others,
00:39having come here to Argentina last Saturday.
00:43These images were given when the national government,
00:46headed by Javier Milet, received him in Casa Rosada.
00:50They went out to the balcony and there he showed his support
00:54to the opposing leader.
00:58Let's also remember that since a month ago,
01:02last January 8th, a month ago,
01:05an Argentinean has been arrested.
01:07We're talking about Gendarme Nahuel Gallo,
01:13who is being held in a place where it's not clear what it is.
01:18There have been videos by the government of Nicolás Maduro
01:23that are supposed to be a life test.
01:26And we are in communication with Marcelo Crovato,
01:31who is a former Argentinean political prisoner
01:34who has been in a prison in Venezuela.
01:38Marcelo, good morning.
01:40What can you tell us about your days during that captivity?
01:46Hello, good morning.
01:48Well, nothing funny,
01:51and I think Nahuel must be even worse than me
01:54because right now the regime has raised a lot of repression
02:00and, in addition to everything, he is accused of an attempt to murder.
02:07In my case, obviously, I was accused of leading the protests
02:11and they ended up calling me a terrorist,
02:13but because Nahuel is worse than me.
02:15You observed, I imagine, the images at the time.
02:18Did it give you any kind of indication
02:21of something that you would have recognized?
02:27Well, what I could see is that Nahuel is in a common prison,
02:31not in a clandestine detention center,
02:33which is something very good for him.
02:35I was sure that he should be in a clandestine detention center
02:38and that would be terrible because there is no right there.
02:42At least there are many people who are watching him
02:44and disappearing him is not going to be that easy.
02:47The conditions are tough in those prisons.
02:50The government has control.
02:52There are two types of prisons,
02:54where the prisoners have control
02:56and another where the government has control.
03:00Let's say that, among other things, it could be worse.
03:03I was afraid that he would be in a clandestine detention center
03:05and, in that case, we could practically say goodbye to him
03:07until he could be rescued.
03:10Well, and beyond this situation, what you have experienced,
03:14what you imagine Nahuel may be experiencing,
03:18what is your vision of what may happen on this day
03:21where he is going to assume for the third time, as we said, Nicolás Maduro?
03:27Unfortunately, in my opinion, nothing is going to happen
03:30because to get a criminal out of Nicolás Maduro's clutches,
03:33the force of the weapons is needed.
03:35And there are none, and there is no intention of using them.
03:38All Venezuelan politicians have always advocated
03:41for a negotiated, conversed solution,
03:44but one cannot negotiate with someone
03:46whose morale is at the level of Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin.
03:51So, if they are not going to get him out by force,
03:53I don't know how they are going to get him out.
03:55And, therefore, evidently, nothing is going to happen today.
03:58What is going to happen later,
04:00that events can be unleashed,
04:02yes, it is always possible.
04:04But today, absolutely nothing was to be expected.
04:06Maduro is going to be sentenced
04:08for a new and illegitimate six-year period.
04:11But the illegitimate is the previous period
04:14and the post-previous period as well.
04:16This comes from a coup d'état that they gave in 1999
04:21by substituting the Constitution in an illegitimate way.
04:24From then on, everything is illegitimate in them.
04:27Of course, the truth is that this last election,
04:29in the eyes of the world,
04:31has been, if you will, the most scandalous,
04:33in terms of, well, the international request
04:39that the files be delivered,
04:41this that has not happened.
04:43Well, what we already know from memory.
04:45How are your days here in Argentina?
04:48How do you live it?
04:50Oh, sorry, there in Spain.
04:52How do you live it, being one of the
04:54about 8 million Venezuelans
04:56who had to leave their country?
04:59Look, I live them thinking
05:01when I can return to Argentina.
05:03I miss it a lot and I hope to return.
05:06I had to go because of the threats of Chavismo
05:08when Cristina won
05:10and because I made a lot of opposition to her
05:13from the media.
05:15I was in the United Nations presenting the case.
05:17I was in the International Criminal Court
05:20and I had a very hard cross
05:22that I had in the program of Novarese
05:24with Alicia Castro.
05:26She threatened me, God gave me hair several times
05:28and in the last one she said,
05:30now that there is a government friend in Argentina,
05:32we are going to settle accounts with those who are rotting there.
05:34I don't know if it was with me directly or not,
05:36but because of the doubts, I ran away.
05:38I didn't need to find out.
05:40And now that the political winds have changed,
05:43your idea would be to return to the country?
05:45Argentina, I mean.
05:47Of course, I dream of returning to Argentina.
05:50I miss it a lot.
05:52It is my beloved land
05:54and I will be there again, without a doubt.
05:57How did you experience this day yesterday,
05:59the day of the protest
06:01called by María Corina Machado in Spain?
06:04There was a lot of activity here,
06:06in many places.
06:08I am even in a very small town
06:10and there was a concentration of Venezuelans
06:12to support the protest of María Corina.
06:14Of course, people lived the arrest
06:16or the kidnapping of María Corina very hard.
06:18Although there are a million confusing incidents,
06:20the truth is that we do not know what happened,
06:22how it happened, or why it happened.
06:24And there are still more questions than certainties
06:26in everything that has happened.
06:28And I think it is very important
06:30and there are still more questions than certainties
06:32in everything that happened yesterday.
06:34And what reading do you have of that episode?
06:36Beyond the confusion,
06:38what reading do you have of this episode?
06:40Beyond the confusion,
06:42which is evidently the central thing, right?
06:46The first thing that surprised me
06:48is the failure in its security system,
06:50because they grabbed it very easily.
06:52I can think of many things
06:54that could be done to protect it
06:56at the exit.
06:58And then that video that came out,
07:00which at first I thought
07:02was artificial intelligence,
07:04then a friend, a medical specialist,
07:06it was not done with artificial intelligence.
07:08it was not done with artificial intelligence.
07:10So I think it may be that,
07:12as they said,
07:14they forced her to record some videos
07:16while she was detained.
07:18Well, maybe she was trying to send a message
07:20in those videos indicating
07:22that she was not recording them by her own will.
07:24Apparently saying
07:26something about the wallet,
07:28which seemed absurd to me.
07:30It reminded me of the American pilot
07:32who in Vietnam,
07:34in a press conference in Vietnam in the north,
07:36said that they were treating him well
07:38and that the United States was doing very badly
07:40in getting into that war,
07:42and yet, with his eyes blinking,
07:44the Morse code was transmitted as torture.
07:46I think it was ...
07:48There are many inconsistencies in that video
07:50and maybe María Colina wanted to warn that.
07:52Surely, over time,
07:54we will find out,
07:56and we will also listen to her today
07:58because she promised to give explanations
08:00about what happened.
08:02Thank you very much for your time, Marcelo.
08:06Have a good day.