El argentino está en Chile desde 1996.
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00:00You came to Chile 26 years ago, right?
00:01It's going to be 26, 26 now or 27, I don't remember, in 96.
00:07And why did you come here?
00:08I came because I was seeing an uncertain future.
00:14In Argentina?
00:15In Argentina.
00:16Yes, of course.
00:17Really?
00:17Yes.
00:18And there was no need to be very Pedro Angel to know this news,
00:23but I could have gone up and down several times
00:27and after having felt that my whole environment was deteriorating.
00:36When you see that the city is deteriorating,
00:38when the lights...
00:39At one point I lived on Corrientes Avenue,
00:42the one that doesn't sleep,
00:44and suddenly the lights started to go out,
00:48people were not well,
00:49it was the time of ups and downs,
00:52all that, and I came and El Corralito appeared.
00:56Really?
00:57At that time.
00:58Of course.
00:59And El Corralito was El Arrubo.
01:01El Arrubo.
01:03El Arrubo...
01:05The best thing about El Arrubo was that El Arrubo's son was the Ayaquin's partner.
01:11I think it was El Antonito.
01:14But it has to do with that,
01:17later when I was here, in 2000, I was with El Cachafalla,
01:21and Argentinian people started to come,
01:23I saw so many people coming in asking for work,
01:26you know, I'm Argentinian,
01:28I sang, or I danced, or I do this thing,
01:32many years ago.
01:34People who went out to look for their destiny,
01:38and suddenly, I think it's ok,
01:41those are signals, sometimes you grab them,
01:44but it's an exile,
01:46it's like, we live it now with Venezuelans,
01:51there's an exile from your home,
01:54where your dad and mom don't take care of you,
01:57to the streets,
01:59and that, at some point,
02:01or it's that, or it's the hopelessness in the place,
02:04which is a bit like Argentinian sadness, I think.
02:07And, of course, you think that with a football world cup,
02:10we have three on top of it.
02:12Sorry.
02:14Sorry for what I'm saying.
02:16Sorry for what I'm saying!
02:18What do we have?
02:20That's for Rodrigo Arañao!
02:22That's for Rodrigo Arañao!
02:24Come on, team!
02:26Maybe it was easy for him in the last World Cup.
02:29What a funny joke!
02:33There's one thing that,
02:35no, more to do with Australia.
02:37No, he loves it, I'm a fan.
02:39I'm a fan of Argentina.
02:41I love that they've been champions.
02:43Well, but you arrived in Chile.
02:45You have Argentinian children in Chile.
02:47Yes, the oldest.
02:50You feel abandoned by your country.
02:52And I think that's what happens to an immigrant,
02:55that immigrant who escapes a bit.
02:59Who doesn't find opportunities, who doesn't find support.
03:02Argentinians have that ease of leaving their country,
03:06which is different from Chileans.
03:09It's easy, when you travel,
03:11you always find an Argentinian trying on a sweater,
03:14in some places, and then they come back.
03:18But they don't stay out too long.
03:20The situation in the country gets better,
03:22and then they come back.
03:24But they have that ease of leaving.
03:26They're less trapped than we are.
03:28But you know what it has to do with?
03:30I think, look, at one point,
03:32in the time of Menem.
03:34What a scare!
03:36And the studio was completely silent.
03:38Something happened, it was the dollar one-to-one.
03:41The dollar one-to-one.
03:43The Argentinian who was going to Miami did a bit.
03:46I saw Donald Duck.
03:48He was a piece of shit.
03:52And Mickey looked for him.
03:54Mickey looked for him everywhere,
03:56but I couldn't find him.
03:58It was like, I'm going to buy some socks in Miami.
04:02Because it was like...
04:04I think it's a bit...
04:06That's where the hatred for that Argentinian appears.
04:09The Argentinian stereotype.
04:11You get on a plane with 20 Argentinians,
04:15and you have that stereotype.
04:17So that Argentinian
04:19was also the one who came to Reñac
04:21many years ago.
04:23All that was changing,
04:25was changing.
04:27So, in a way,
04:29you find that the Argentinian has to leave.
04:31We are immigrants' children.
04:33I mean, I'm a grandson of a Lebanese.
04:36My grandmother was Italian.
04:39So, in a way,
04:41Chile too, clearly.
04:44But La Cordillera slowed that down a bit.
04:46Now, but when you arrived in Chile,
04:48and to tell the public
04:50that is watching us,
04:52you immediately opened El Cachafaz.
04:54It's a bar theater where many
04:56stand-up comedians started,
04:58which was first in Providencia.
05:00You started right away.
05:02I started with...
05:04I got here and started doing tango class.
05:06With that, I lived.
05:08Badly.
05:10But you lived.
05:13It was the feeling...
05:15I live in Brazil too.
05:17And in Brazil, I was depressed.
05:19Why?
05:21Because Brazilians are so happy.
05:23It's true.
05:25I would wake up
05:27with existential trauma in the morning.
05:29Oh, I don't know.
05:31Beach, sun, caipirinha.
05:33It's true.
05:35It's true.
05:37Brazilians are happy.
05:39Yes.
05:42Everything.
05:44Pure life.
05:46We are the happiest of all.
05:48That's what I'm going to say.
05:50I want to live in a sadder country than Argentina.
05:52No.
05:54I live in Brazil.
05:56When I'm sad,
05:58I'm not that sad.
06:00Chileans kick ass.
06:02Here we are Ecuador.
06:04What are you like?
06:06We are sad here.
06:08I wouldn't like to be removed from that position.
06:10From the saddest country in America.
06:12No.
06:14Bolivians are sadder.
06:16Bolivians?
06:18Yes.
06:20In Argentina, we say
06:22sad balls.
06:24That's why.
06:26So, you teach tango.
06:28How did Cachafaz come to be?
06:30How did it become a place
06:32that brings people together?
06:34The first one.
06:36I did a magazine
06:39with another friend
06:41that was about humor.
06:43But with tango and humor.
06:45And I did the magazine
06:47in a photocopy.
06:49It was like a photocopy.
06:51And I put the cork.
06:53And the good thing about the magazine
06:55was that I went out to look for hostels
06:57in restaurants.
06:59I came to a place,
07:01I was doing this magazine,
07:03I did one,
07:05and with that I started looking for hostels.
07:08In a place, Don Carlos,
07:10which is not bad,
07:12I can tell you,
07:14there was a grill
07:16called Don Carlos
07:18and behind it was
07:20Tutics,
07:22which was by Negro Piñera.
07:24It was a building.
07:26And in front of it was this place,
07:28Valley High.
07:30I think it's missing
07:32the tourism.
07:34And the party exploded there.
07:37I ordered it for 100 people
07:39and there were like 600 people.
07:41And it was like,
07:43let's party!
07:45And it was like, ah!
07:47I didn't come here to starve.
07:49I came here because
07:51my mom called me and said,
07:53how are you?
07:55And I wasn't well.
07:57But I was happy.
07:59I was here,
08:01a new life.
08:03But I didn't want to go back to Argentina.
08:06I didn't want to go back like Gardel.
08:08Because Gardel came back with a wrinkled forehead.
08:10And there...
08:14And everyone was thinking, why Gardel?
08:16With a wrinkled forehead.
08:18The snow of time.
08:20That's what you say.
08:22That marks the Argentine
08:24who goes looking
08:26for paradise
08:28and comes back.
08:30It comes back as a story of failure
08:32when you find something
08:34and that's why it's good to look for small things.
08:36What happens is that when you travel...
08:38And we've traveled a lot.
08:40We always find an Argentine
08:42who is trying to do it somewhere.
08:44It happens.
08:46There's always an Argentine,
08:48but there's always a Chilean.
08:50I go everywhere and it's like...
08:52In Brazil there are many Chileans
08:54with caipirinhas,
08:56in Copacabana,
08:58with the flag and everything.
09:00And there are also many who are doing what the Argentine does,
09:03there's a cardumen.
09:05It happened to me in Colombia.
09:07You have to go diving, cardumen.
09:09And the crazy guy went
09:11with a super 8.
09:13He threw chocolate to the fish
09:15so they all went to eat together.
09:17He threw a cake.
09:19No!
09:21Because there was no cardumen.
09:23It was a place where they took you and...
09:25They gathered the fish to eat.
09:27They gathered, threw a cake and left.
09:29It's true.
09:32Can you tell us the story of how
09:34this place became the epicenter
09:36of humorists and stand-up comedians?
09:38Pedro Ruminot wants to pay you a tribute.
09:40A life tribute.
09:42Because it's true.
09:44What you said is that without Jorge Alí
09:46there is no stand-up in Chile.
09:48Yes, that's true.
09:50You owe him your career, Jorge.
09:52You take care of what you say.
09:54We owe a lot to Jorge's career.