In this insightful discussion, Oneindia's Aarushi Ranjan delves into Trump's stance on the Russia-Ukraine war, exploring the billions the Biden administration has committed to fighting Russia. The conversation also covers Trump's relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, examining the complexities and implications for U.S. foreign policy. Veteran journalist Shastri Ramachandaran joins the discussion to offer his expert perspective on how Trump's policies may shape future relations with Russia and the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.
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00:00Israel is a criminal state and Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal by any definition.
00:10They can't cap the Russian oil price.
00:12And Russia has been selling oil, petroleum gas to India, China, to so many other countries.
00:18Will Trump fund the equal amount or more than what Biden funded to Ukraine and Zelensky?
00:23When I was in Moscow, so the expectation that was in September, and I was speaking at the
00:28Russian International Affairs Council, Europe no longer has the stomach to continue this
00:32war.
00:33France, Germany, they all want to end this war, because it's not going anywhere.
00:39They are the losers in this.
00:40Trump said that on the first day of joining office, he will take a few decisions in which
00:45Russia-Ukraine war is included.
00:48He says that he will end the conflict on the first day, such a huge conflict, which is
00:52happening since so long.
00:54And we have seen that Biden administration has given billions of money to Zelensky and
00:59Ukraine to fight against Russia.
01:01Now, what do you think, keeping in mind Putin and Trump's relations, maybe an internal relation,
01:08what's going to be Trump's take on the Russia-Ukraine war and will he stop it like people are saying
01:14he stopped the Israel-Hamas war, will he stop the Russia-Ukraine war?
01:17It is not possible to end the Ukraine war like the one in Hamas.
01:22Even in Hamas and Israel, they have come to an agreement, it's going to be implemented
01:27over five months.
01:29And even after the deal was announced, Israel continued to kill people and the very day
01:35they killed more than 200 people.
01:37Israel is a criminal state and Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal by any definition.
01:42You know, there are few countries outside the West who would disagree with that.
01:46It's not a personal opinion of mine.
01:47There have been other Israeli prime ministers, but none of them have a record like this.
01:52You know, there are somebody other war criminals who are there like Ariel Sharon and all that
01:56in the past.
01:57And even Western foreign ministers have called them out.
02:00So this is not something that I am saying alone or out of the top of my head.
02:05So in Ukraine, there is no way that the West can win.
02:09They have put billions of dollars into Ukraine, billions of dollars.
02:13And who is hit?
02:15The only country which has profited from the war is the U.S. and the U.S. economy.
02:21They have made suckers of the Europeans who are all buying American oil at ten times the
02:27price at which they were getting it from Russia.
02:31I traveled to Russia three months ago in September.
02:34So it is not really under sanctions.
02:37Russia is flourishing.
02:38The Russian economy is flourishing.
02:41And of course, that party also may end.
02:45But right now, Russia is not kind of squeezed.
02:48The countries which are squeezed by sanctions are the European countries.
02:52It is Europe which is facing a deep crisis, and they are in a funk because now they can't
02:58cap the Russian oil price.
03:00And Russia has been selling oil, petroleum, gas to India, China, to so many other countries.
03:06So Ukraine is an unwinnable war for the U.S. and the NATO.
03:12And Trump, actually, the last time he said that NATO should not go to Ukraine.
03:17Actually, there are many American statements, including somebody like Henry Kissinger.
03:23Actually, when Henry Kissinger died, Rolling Stone magazine said a war criminal who was
03:27called a diplomat and won the Nobel Prize.
03:30Henry Kissinger also said that we have to give Russia time to become a democracy.
03:36NATO, if it cannot go eastwards.
03:39And there have been other U.S. diplomats and analysts and all who have said this.
03:43But after the U.S. plunged into the war, it was practically a war between U.S. and Russia
03:48being fought in Ukraine by the Ukrainians.
03:51You know, there have been so many American advisors, logistics, all these people have
03:55been involved.
03:56They've all been identified and so on.
03:58So that being the case, Trump will end that war because it is an unwinnable war.
04:05Trump is not against U.S. supremacy.
04:09He would like to maintain the U.S. supremacy worldwide.
04:13But he does not want it to be at the cost of the U.S.
04:17And he knows the Ukraine war cannot go on without money from the U.S. and this thing.
04:22And he would like the U.S. to get out of it.
04:25So now, from your answer, I want to ask you two questions.
04:29One, is Trump playing NATO by benefiting U.S.?
04:33And second, will Trump fund the equal amount or more than what Biden funded to Ukraine
04:38and Zelensky?
04:39No, he won't be able to fund Ukraine to the extent that Biden did.
04:44Because Biden did it over such a long time.
04:46And when I was in Moscow, the expectation that was in September, and I was speaking
04:52at the Russian International Affairs Council and people I spoke to, and their expectation
04:57was that in spring this year, by spring this year, we might begin to see at least a roadmap
05:04towards ending the war.
05:05So I said, why do they say that?
05:06And they said, no, Trump is likely to win the election.
05:10And if he wins the election, he might want to kind of first, you know, draw down the
05:15war and the U.S. involvement in it, because Europe no longer has the stomach to continue
05:22this war.
05:23France, Germany, they all want to end this war, because it's not going anywhere.
05:28They are the losers in this, you know.
05:31Sir, what I wanted to ask, like a soft beat question, that what do you think, who is Trump's
05:36favorite in NATO countries?
05:39In which country?
05:40In the NATO country?
05:41Well, I don't think the U.S. has any favorites or friends or allies.
05:46Trump's preference, maybe?
05:48Trump, I think they have favorites, but they are not in government.
05:53Maybe Melania, Italy, maybe.
05:55Yes, because he had cheered her, you know, when she was in the election.
06:00Similarly, there was a Spanish fascist party again, right-wing party, extremely right-wing.
06:05He was supporting them.
06:06So Trump has supported right-wing forces in Europe, but not in Germany.
06:12In Italy, yes.
06:13He's definitely not comfortable with Macron.
06:15Macron is too cerebral.
06:16He's not very comfortable with Macron.
06:19Even Melanie doesn't seem so comfortable with Macron sometimes.
06:22We have seen videos flourishing where Melanie gives looks to Macron.
06:27So, yeah, it kind of makes sense that Melanie and Trump both are not fond of Macron.
06:32Yes, you are right.
06:33And you can see why Trump, one can say, Musk is his mouthpiece or his forerunner.
06:40So the U.S. has now taken to an active role in shaping European affairs.
06:46U.S. has always interfered in elections in Europe and in management of the political
06:51color of the government.
06:52And they are going to do it more openly now.
06:55And not only as the U.S. deep state was doing it, but everybody is going to play on this
07:01stuff.
07:02After all, one should remember that Europe is American territory in one sense.
07:07Because they have military bases.
07:10All these NATO countries, they are flourishing as U.S. military.
07:13You land at Frankfurt Airport or the railway station, you will find so many counters at
07:18the railway station, U.S. forces, armed forces, you know, that kind of thing.
07:23Oh, okay.
07:23Yeah.