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- Mian Rauf Atta (Lawyer)
Ali Amin Par Imran Khan Ka Aitmad Hai Wo Aj Bhi..." Rauf Hassan's Huge Statement
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00:00In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:18Yesterday, on 28th January, according to the scheduled schedule,
00:23or according to the announcement of the government,
00:25the discussion committee that was in full swing,
00:28had a meeting tomorrow,
00:30the PTI on one side, and the government's community on the other,
00:33or the government's union and community on one side,
00:35in which the government had to say,
00:37that the demands that the PTI has given us,
00:40regarding the establishment of the commission,
00:42and the release of political prisoners,
00:44what is our opinion on that?
00:46Can we act on that or not?
00:48In this, the summary is that,
00:51after a long debate, after a long presentation,
00:54the road to final negotiations was opened.
00:57For a year and a half, the talks were going on,
00:59and the final negotiations started.
01:01When the first session started,
01:03then the government said,
01:05that we are seeing your demands on Twitter,
01:07we are seeing them in the talk shows,
01:09let us write down your demands.
01:11And the PTI said,
01:12that you meet our leaders frequently,
01:15and in a good environment,
01:16where there is no recording,
01:18where we can make a strategy,
01:19so that we can discuss with them.
01:20We will get the government's approval,
01:21and we will write down the PTI's approval.
01:23The government was not able to hold the meetings,
01:25as the government had expressed its will,
01:27and it took 40 days to write down the PTI's approval.
01:30It took a long time.
01:31Finally, the PTI wrote down the PTI's approval.
01:33The second surprising thing was that,
01:35in the meeting,
01:38the PTI's people wrote down the PTI's approval.
01:41After that, as soon as the press conference was over,
01:43Irfan Siddiqui and Mr. Anand Sanawal
01:45rubbed the PTI's approval.
01:46They said,
01:47these are not demands,
01:48these are charge sheets,
01:49and this cannot be made into a commission later.
01:51But we will tell you.
01:52We will tell you on the 28th,
01:53after 7 working days.
01:54In response to that,
01:55the PTI also held a strong press conference.
01:57Now, everyone was waiting for the 7 working days to pass,
01:59and the 28th to come.
02:00So, let's see what the government says.
02:02The PTI had said that,
02:04if you don't make a commission,
02:06we will not proceed with the negotiations.
02:07That's it.
02:08But then the PTI said,
02:09no, no, no, not like that.
02:11If you don't make a commission,
02:13then we will not hold the next meeting with you.
02:15That is, you tell us before the meeting,
02:17whether you will make a commission or not,
02:19then we will sit in the meeting on the 28th,
02:20otherwise we will not sit in the meeting.
02:22This was a new stance.
02:24After that,
02:25the government was saying,
02:26no, sir, you have to come on the 28th,
02:28we will tell you on the 28th.
02:29The PTI had said,
02:30no, you will tell us before the 28th,
02:31otherwise we will not sit on the 28th.
02:32In this situation,
02:33the 28th and the 28th are for later.
02:34Before that,
02:35one day,
02:36Barrister Gauhar sir,
02:37spoke to the PTI and left.
02:38He said,
02:39the government has shown seriousness
02:40that the negotiations are over.
02:41I am not doing it.
02:42End.
02:43After that,
02:44the PTI said,
02:45but if the government still holds the commission,
02:47then the negotiations can be held.
02:48In this strange situation,
02:49this whole situation is going on.
02:51Tomorrow is the 28th.
02:52Tomorrow,
02:53the government and its allies will sit,
02:55in the committee room,
02:56and wait for the PTI people.
02:57The PTI does not seem to come.
02:59Will the PTI come or not?
03:01If it does not come,
03:02then tomorrow the negotiations are over.
03:03Does the end of the negotiations mean
03:04the beginning of indecency?
03:05Does the end of the negotiations mean
03:07that the PTI is far from its goals?
03:10In the sense that,
03:11obviously,
03:12they wanted to achieve something,
03:13so they came to negotiate.
03:14Now,
03:15the negotiations are over,
03:16so whatever they wanted to achieve,
03:17it will not be achieved.
03:18Apparently.
03:19If it does not happen,
03:20then it will be far from its goal.
03:21Or,
03:22the new headache for the government is that,
03:24they also wanted something,
03:25so they made the PTI sit.
03:26Whatever the government wanted,
03:27it will not get it now.
03:28The PTI will come to the streets again.
03:30Let's start with all these questions.
03:32Mr. Rauf Hassan is the head,
03:34the policy think tank of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf,
03:36Senior Rana Man.
03:37Let's talk to him about all this.
03:39Yes, Mr. Rauf,
03:40Assalamu Alaikum.
03:41Walaikum Assalam.
03:42Thank you very much,
03:43Mr. Rauf,
03:44for giving time.
03:45Tell us,
03:46what is the status of the negotiations?
03:48I mean,
03:49I will be fine in understanding that,
03:50the matter is completely over,
03:51and now,
03:52in the near future,
03:53there is no possibility of restarting it.
03:56Thank you, Mr. Wasim.
03:58Look,
03:59while you and I are talking,
04:00at this time,
04:01we have a very firm position about the negotiations,
04:03that we are not going to tomorrow's meeting.
04:05And,
04:06we had given three reasons for that.
04:08One was that,
04:09in the first meeting,
04:11it was decided that,
04:13as long as the negotiations continue,
04:15no party will give any strong statement against the other party.
04:21But,
04:22after the second meeting,
04:23there was a press conference,
04:24in which,
04:25various allegations were raised against the PTI,
04:28against our leadership.
04:30The second was that,
04:31within seven days,
04:33we had to give an answer,
04:35about the formation of the commission.
04:37They passed a ruling on that.
04:39Along with that,
04:40they had to meet Mr. Khan,
04:42without any security intervention.
04:47And,
04:48the third reason was that,
04:50our spokesperson,
04:53the son of the negotiating team,
04:55Mr. Hamid Raza,
04:56was giving a press conference in Faisalabad.
04:59And,
05:00many security forces came there,
05:03including the police.
05:05First,
05:06they tried to disrupt it,
05:08and then,
05:09they tried to arrest Mr. Hamid Raza.
05:12So, this is a combination,
05:13a combo.
05:14Sir,
05:15I don't want to comment on the other two things.
05:16They are fine.
05:17But,
05:18the seven-day ruling,
05:20this was,
05:21unfortunately,
05:22done by you.
05:23They had said,
05:24they had written,
05:25that seven working days.
05:26And,
05:27the day it was written,
05:28and the day it was said,
05:29that from that day,
05:30the seven working days should start.
05:31So,
05:32they end now.
05:33Not like the day,
05:34when you announced the end of the negotiations.
05:35We didn't get any written form from them,
05:37that seven working days.
05:38Our understanding was,
05:39seven days.
05:40And,
05:41this is what Mr. Khan said,
05:42that within seven days,
05:43which ended on the 23rd,
05:44the day we ended the negotiations.
05:46Sir,
05:47like I said,
05:48they wrote the word,
05:49in that announcement,
05:50of working days.
05:51Even in the press conference,
05:52Mr. Irfan Siddiqui,
05:53made it clear,
05:54that it was a matter of seven days.
05:55Then,
05:56we said,
05:57no,
05:58not seven,
05:59seven working days.
06:00So,
06:01it has been decided,
06:02that seven working days.
06:03They made it clear,
06:04in its differentiation,
06:05and in its distinction.
06:06This,
06:07we had said,
06:08within seven days.
06:09So,
06:10other than that,
06:11I have stated the reasons.
06:12Especially,
06:13this,
06:14attack on Mr. Ahmed Raza,
06:15and his attempt to arrest him.
06:17This was a serious violation,
06:19of our unstated rules,
06:22for these negotiations.
06:24And,
06:25on the basis of this,
06:27on the basis of all these reasons,
06:29Mr. Khan said,
06:30that there is no point in negotiating.
06:31Sir,
06:32if I say,
06:33in simple words,
06:34or in different words,
06:35that the negotiations are over,
06:36and the protests begin,
06:37am I right?
06:38I,
06:39about the second protest,
06:40I will not do it now.
06:41The party has to decide about that.
06:43But,
06:44for the time being,
06:45the negotiations,
06:46the way they want to do it,
06:48that cannot be done.
06:49Now,
06:50many people are saying,
06:51that if they announce tomorrow,
06:52that we are making commissions,
06:54then they will have to see,
06:55that to make commissions,
06:56their TOs,
06:57their judges,
06:58because,
06:59what they have done,
07:00of the judiciary today,
07:01you see,
07:02virtually,
07:03you know,
07:04judges,
07:05they are not acting in any way,
07:06I have said this,
07:07I have also written about it,
07:08I have written an article about it,
07:09that this parallel judicial system,
07:10they have created.
07:11and,
07:12these two systems,
07:13one,
07:14the Supreme Court,
07:15and one,
07:16the Constitutional Benches,
07:17they are fighting amongst themselves.
07:18and moreover,
07:19even within the Supreme Court,
07:20there is a fight going on.
07:21So,
07:22basically,
07:23the judicial pillar,
07:24they wanted to dismantle it,
07:25so that,
07:26the executive,
07:27gets total control over it,
07:28over the issues.
07:29and,
07:30I think,
07:31that in that,
07:32at least for the time being,
07:33they seem to be successful.
07:34and they seem to be successful.
07:36Mr. Rauf, tell me, the reason you came here today
07:39was that you are a firm believer in dialogue.
07:42I remember you spoke in favour of dialogue in our program
07:44when your party did not have a popular narrative.
07:46Your people also said bad things about you.
07:48Your position has changed.
07:50People linked it to the fact that you gave that statement in our show.
07:53That is why Mr. Khan removed you.
07:55You did not object to it.
07:57You were removed from the post of Secretary and appointed by Mr. Waqar.
07:59You said that this has nothing to do with it.
08:01Yesterday, you said that you believe in dialogue.
08:03Even today, you say that dialogue is the only solution.
08:06Your party is also on the side of dialogue.
08:08Now that dialogue has come to an end,
08:10if I ask you today,
08:12do you still believe that dialogue is the only solution?
08:14Or do you think that dialogue was the only option
08:16and it has been exercised, expired and finished?
08:18Say something else.
08:20Mr. Basim, I was in favour of dialogue.
08:23I am in favour of dialogue.
08:25And I will always be in favour of dialogue.
08:27But to have dialogue,
08:29to create a viable environment
08:31is the responsibility of the government.
08:33To create a conducive environment
08:35is their responsibility.
08:37Dialogue, direct dialogue,
08:39cannot lead to any result.
08:41That is why,
08:43I still support dialogue.
08:45I absolutely do.
08:47And I still believe that ultimately,
08:49the king will have to do it.
08:51But for the king, the environment will also have to be created.
08:53That responsibility is only for the government of Waqar.
08:55And they are deliberately
08:57trying to destroy it.
08:59For quite some time now.
09:01Alright.
09:03There has been another development.
09:05Please comment on that.
09:07Junaid Akbar was brought in.
09:09Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa,
09:11who is now the head of PTI KPK,
09:13was removed.
09:15My question is,
09:17would it be right to say that
09:19Mr. Khan still has the same confidence
09:21as he had when he nominated him?
09:23Mr. Basim, these changes
09:25have been based on his recommendation.
09:27Because basically,
09:29the burden of the government
09:31is very heavy.
09:33And a lot of schemes for public welfare
09:35are being launched.
09:37That is why Mr. Khan has decided
09:39to take Ali Ameen Gandapur on board
09:41with his consent
09:43that the leadership of the party
09:45in Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa
09:47should be given to someone else.
09:49And he has nominated
09:51Mr. Junaid Akbar
09:53who is a very devoted and active worker.
09:55And I think
09:57he will get better results.
09:59But to say that Mr. Khan's confidence
10:01in Ali Ameen Gandapur has decreased
10:03is not right.
10:05He is still the KPK Chief Minister
10:07and Mr. Junaid will look after
10:09the party's affairs in that province.
10:11Mr. Waqas Akram was also mentioned
10:13as a member of the Public Accounts Committee.
10:15He was also given the position of Mr. Junaid Akbar.
10:17Mr. Waqas's name was given back.
10:19What is the reason for that?
10:21There are many reasons for that.
10:23I think the attitude of the government
10:25was also a big reason.
10:27They also wanted their choice
10:29as to who should be nominated.
10:31Our party's recommendation
10:33was not accepted.
10:35You know that this matter
10:37had been hanging for a long time.
10:39So finally they said that
10:41Mr. Junaid should be nominated.
10:43So we said that this matter should be
10:45ended and Mr. Junaid should be nominated.
10:47We had sent four or five names
10:49and we accepted them.
10:51We want the matter to move forward
10:53and the PAC should start operating.
10:55It is a very important committee
10:57and a very key committee
10:59and it should operate.
11:01So we accepted the way
11:03the matter was resolved
11:05and let's move forward.
11:07PTI has announced the protest
11:09on 8th February.
11:11What kind of protest is this?
11:13Is it possible that the protest
11:15will be held on 26th November
11:17so that it can be transformed?
11:19What is the status of this protest?
11:21This protest will be held on
11:23the 24th of February
11:25and KPK and Punjab people
11:27will participate in it.
11:29The rest of the people who cannot
11:31attend will protest in their own circle.
11:33They will protest against the
11:358th February elections
11:37and the hijackings
11:39in the middle of the night.
11:41So sir,
11:43if I ask you,
11:45your opinion is that
11:47negotiations are the only solution
11:49and now that the negotiations
11:51are over,
11:53are you disappointed?
11:55Are you disappointed that
11:57you think that negotiations
11:59are the only solution?
12:01Look, we already had
12:03doubts and doubts
12:05but since dialogue
12:07is an essential ingredient
12:09of politics,
12:11we had a belief in it
12:13and even yesterday
12:15Mr. Khan said that
12:17he wants to meet
12:19his negotiating team
12:21before the 28th of February.
12:23Today is the 27th
12:25but he hasn't met them yet.
12:27The problem is that
12:29there are a lot of disappointments
12:31but if you try to
12:33analyse it objectively,
12:35Mr. Khan says that
12:37he wants to talk to his team
12:39without any security intervention.
12:41He wants to talk to them
12:43about the demands
12:45and how to move forward.
12:47The government
12:49couldn't hold the meeting
12:51even after 7 days of commitment.
12:53You can't conclude
12:55that they have nothing.
12:57They are just playing drums.
12:59As Mr. Khan says,
13:01their status is not higher
13:03than an orderly.
13:05So what is the point of
13:07talking to them?
13:09If they don't have
13:11the power,
13:13we can talk to them
13:15directly.
13:17Fortunately,
13:19they have started
13:21negotiating.
13:23I firmly believe
13:25that if they change
13:27their conduct
13:29and create a conducive
13:31environment,
13:33the talks can start again.
13:35I will support them
13:37even if they don't
13:39want to.
13:41But it is important
13:43that the ball is in the
13:45government's court
13:47and the decision is
13:49up to them.
13:51If we fulfil
13:53their demands,
13:55the talks can be meaningful
13:57and substantive.
13:59You are saying that
14:01the talks have started
14:03and the opportunity
14:05has opened up.
14:07Are you optimistic
14:09or are you worried
14:11that the talks will end
14:13like this?
14:15I hope that the talks
14:17are productive
14:19because the government
14:21desperately needs
14:23solutions.
14:25The talks should be
14:27productive
14:29and good decisions
14:31should be made.
14:33I hope that the talks
14:35are productive
14:37and good decisions
14:39should be made.
14:41I hope that the talks
14:43are productive
14:45and good decisions
14:47should be made.
14:49I hope that the talks
14:51are productive
14:53and good decisions
14:55should be made.
14:57I hope that the talks
14:59are productive
15:01and good decisions
15:03should be made.
15:31I hope that the talks
15:33are productive
15:35and good decisions
15:37should be made.
16:01The country cannot move forward
16:03without a productive dialogue.
16:05Until there is a productive dialogue,
16:07the country will be in a jam.
16:09The country is in a jam now.
16:11This is my wish
16:13and we feel that it will happen.
16:15It takes two days, two weeks,
16:17two months, but it will happen
16:19and the result will be a dialogue.
16:21Thank you very much.
16:23We were talking to Mr. Rahul Basant.
16:25Mr. Ijaz-ul-Haq is an important
16:27member of the Government Committee.
16:29If you don't get a response from
16:31the PTI tomorrow,
16:33what will happen?
16:35Huzoor assalam o alaikum.
16:37Wa alaikum assalam.
16:39Thank you for giving us your time.
16:41Sir, it seems like tomorrow
16:43at 11.45pm, you will be in the
16:45Committee Room as well as
16:47the seats are vacant.
16:51We will be there.
16:53The meeting should be organized.
16:55I hope
16:57I don't know if it will be 11.45 or 12.45, so I hope they will also have a better sense
17:06and they will also come there.
17:09They have announced publicly that they are not coming, they are not coming tomorrow.
17:13Okay, no problem, if they don't come, then we will meet each other, then the Speaker
17:18will talk to them, we will tell our conversation to the Speaker, then the indirect discussions
17:23will start.
17:24Now we were sitting in front, but it will start through the Speaker.
17:28That is, if they don't come tomorrow, then the possibility of which is 100% when I
17:33am talking to you now, because they have said it themselves.
17:35If they don't come tomorrow, then you will also get up after drinking tea or whatever
17:39their answer is, you will submit it to the Speaker that we said that we will give a written
17:43answer on the 28th.
17:44Take this, we can make a commission, or take this, we cannot make it, or whatever the
17:47answer is, we will give it or then the matter is over.
17:51No, we will give the answer then.
17:53See, they will not come tomorrow, they will not come the day after tomorrow.
17:56In the end, they have to come here, whether they come after a week or after a month.
18:00If they don't come, they will get the answer at this time.
18:03So if they don't come, then you won't even submit the answer to the Speaker.
18:07If they don't come, then it's over.
18:09Because on Friday night, they called off.
18:11We had our final meeting on Friday, in which the answer was prepared and discussed.
18:17And the government, I mean the government, after discussing with the Prime Minister and
18:22other people of the Cabinet, after correcting the focus on Monday, we had to present it
18:29to them on Tuesday.
18:31And a very powerful kind of answer was being prepared.
18:35But then after Friday night, we didn't have a meeting on it.
18:39Because they said that this is completely unethical, they don't even want to talk,
18:44they don't even want to make any stops, the PTA people.
18:47So because of this, I think the matter has been delayed a little.
18:52It has not ended, it has been delayed.
18:54So you are sure that the negotiation process will start again?
18:58Absolutely 100 percent, God willing.
19:00If it doesn't happen now, then it will happen after a while.
19:03In the meantime, I will request the Speaker tomorrow to arrange a meeting with Imran Khan
19:13so that they can come back with satisfaction.
19:16You are saying that we will start an indirect negotiation through the Speaker.
19:19That is, you will tell the Speaker, the Speaker will tell him, then through the Speaker's
19:22office, the negotiation will take place.
19:24Yes, I mean, you will be there indirectly for a few days.
19:27I mean, the Speaker will convince them.
19:29As they have still tried to contact everyone.
19:32And invite everyone.
19:34I mean, the Speaker's office was sending messages to everyone individually, that
19:39you should come to the meeting.
19:41So if they don't come, then I will suggest tomorrow that the Speaker should call them
19:46all.
19:47Sit with them in his chamber.
19:49Convince them.
19:50And if there is only a hindrance in this that they do not meet, then God willing, we
19:55will recommend a meeting.
19:57So arrange a meeting.
19:59Of course, there are friendships among each other, and there should be.
20:02Whether it is political opposition or not.
20:04So you must have spoken to the committee on PTI.
20:07What do you say is off the record?
20:09No, no.
20:10Why not?
20:11What kind of opposition is there?
20:12No one has occupied each other's land.
20:15Political opposition is with everyone.
20:18If you are in the opposition, then it is a must.
20:21So what sense have you got from the PTI pages, from the members of the Negotiating Committee
20:26that they are also convinced that the negotiations are over.
20:29Sometimes the man himself does not want anything.
20:31But if the boss says, if the leader says, then it is clear.
20:33Don't go against the leader.
20:34The man says, okay, man.
20:35So this is the case with the PTI people.
20:38Believe me, it was an unauthorized committee.
20:43They don't have the courage to go and tell Mr. Khan that we are doing this for your betterment.
20:49I am very sorry to say this.
20:51And I am saddened to say this.
20:53They all wanted to do it.
20:57Especially, Chief Minister, Asif Qaisar, Salman Akram Raja.
21:04They all wanted to find a way through the negotiations.
21:08And now they have forgotten.
21:09They will still say the same.
21:11But then the statement came from Adiala and everyone was forced.
21:14It is a necessary thing.
21:16The control is there.
21:18Now this is amazing.
21:20We were sitting in the coalition and giving our opinions.
21:25We did not oppose many things in our government committee.
21:33They listened to us.
21:36You say their control is in Adiala and the negotiations have been delayed there.
21:40They say your control is in Pindi and the negotiations have been delayed there.
21:44No, our control is in Rishai.
21:47When the control pressed the remote, the meeting was being held.
21:54They say the one who pressed the remote pressed it again and the meeting was paused.
21:58They want us to sit and negotiate with them.
22:04I want to tell you that I spoke to Mr. Raghupat Nath a while ago.
22:07His words are in our program.
22:09He said that we already knew that they did not have anything.
22:11And those who have, we have the opportunity to talk to them.
22:14Now we will talk to them.
22:15This is the summary of what he said.
22:17No, no.
22:18Wherever they will talk, they will come back here.
22:22I am not saying that they will not talk there.
22:24I am saying that wherever they will talk,
22:26whether they will do it secretly or in front or behind the curtain,
22:33the final decision will be taken from here.
22:36From this committee.
22:38The last thing, he also says that it was decided that the Iraqis will not fire on each other during the negotiation committee.
22:47But you see what Mr. Rana Sana and Mr. Irfan Siddiqui did in the press conference.
22:51And they tried to arrest Mr. Hamid Rana.
22:53These are the two reasons.
22:54Are these two reasons reasonable?
22:56Are you saying the right thing?
22:57No, absolutely.
22:58Even I say that it is reasonable.
23:00But when they said that they have given four sheets,
23:02they also said that we have also done a friendly fire.
23:05Even if they did a friendly fire,
23:07then after that they also showed seriousness.
23:09Okay.
23:10After that, they have also said,
23:11we have said,
23:12that is, the members of the negotiation committee have said,
23:15that you come, we will sit and talk to you.
23:18That was a friendly fire.
23:21They had given four sheets,
23:23they had to give their answer.
23:25Instead of waiting, they gave it quickly.
23:28So in response to the friendly fire,
23:30they themselves did something,
23:31in which they themselves went and the negotiations also went.
23:33Everything is over.
23:34No, no, it was not because of that.
23:36That was such a conversation.
23:39After that, the conversation went on very well.
23:43Okay.
23:44And they tried.
23:45But you see,
23:46the demands were such that first do this,
23:49then we will do this.
23:50This is not possible.
23:51Okay, okay.
23:52You come and sit there.
23:53It is possible that we make a mistake.
23:54Tell us.
23:55Your thing is wrong.
23:56We will tell you.
23:58Then we will find a middle way.
24:00Sir, thank you very much.
24:01Thank you very much.
24:02You were talking to Hijab-ul-Islam.
24:03Let's move on to the next news.
24:05The news that spread the most this weekend
24:08was that Ali Amin Ghandapur Sahib
24:10was removed from the leadership of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa PTI
24:12and brought to Junaid Akbar Sahib.
24:14There was a storm of news and rumors.
24:18Because there is an impression about Junaid Sahib
24:20that he and Ali Amin Sahib have an anti-group.
24:24Both do not fit together.
24:25And removing him means that
24:27according to the rumors circulating on social media,
24:29that Khan Sahib is upset with Ali Amin Sahib,
24:31that Khan Sahib took a position from Ali Amin Sahib
24:33and gave it to his opponent,
24:34that Khan Sahib may remove Ali Amin Sahib
24:36from the position of CMKP.
24:39Along with that, the chairman of the Public Accounts Committee
24:41who was given the name of Maqas Sahib by the PTI,
24:43was also given this position to Junaid Sahib.
24:45So, the PTI's person who is the most in the news
24:47and on the radar at the moment, Junaid Akbar Sahib,
24:49is present with us.
24:50Let's talk to him.
24:51Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
24:53Wa-Alaikum-Salam.
24:54Sir, thank you very much for your time.
24:56First of all, Junaid Sahib,
24:57regarding the chairman of the PSC,
24:59did you talk to the friends of the government
25:02or did you talk to them at the party level
25:04that they also did not oppose you in that way,
25:07which is a good thing.
25:09So, did they communicate anything
25:11that this action is better than a fight
25:14or a discussion?
25:17Bismillah-ur-Rahman-ur-Rahim.
25:18Thank you, Huzoor.
25:19Actually, there is a tradition here
25:22that the committees that the parties get,
25:25whether they are of the government or the opposition,
25:28the decision is already made
25:30and then the consensus comes
25:32to the part of the chairman of the party.
25:35So, everyone has followed the tradition
25:37of the parliament itself
25:38that everyone votes for him.
25:40But unfortunately,
25:41for the first time,
25:42it has happened that
25:43the thing of the public account committee
25:47which we gave to this person,
25:51because it was the right of our party,
25:53our PGI's opposition,
25:55so we had to decide
25:57that we have to give it to him.
25:59So, we, the party,
26:02decided to give it to Sheikh Waqar Sahib.
26:05Yes.
26:06But the government did not show the right
26:08and for 8-9 months,
26:09Sheikh Waqar Sahib's name was not finalized.
26:12So, the PGI once again
26:14demonstrated that it was wrong.
26:17And it was a deadlock.
26:19The government's only demand was
26:21to send a panel of five names.
26:24And these were not the traditions.
26:26The government made a big exaggeration
26:28because these are the traditions
26:30that the government established today.
26:32So, when they will be in the opposition tomorrow,
26:34they will also have the same problem.
26:36Then, if the PGI comes in power,
26:38and then with him,
26:40what the government has done today,
26:42when it will be in the opposition,
26:44they will give it to him.
26:46So, it should have been that
26:48Sheikh Waqar Sahib's name
26:50was finalized by our political committee.
26:53So, it should have been that
26:55Sheikh Waqar Sahib got this committee.
26:57In the panel of five,
26:59the government was still not satisfied with my name.
27:01At 2.30 pm, the meeting was called.
27:03The government was not satisfied with my name.
27:05After that, the meeting was cancelled.
27:08The credit goes to the Speaker.
27:11The Speaker and Tariq Fazal Chaudhry
27:13played a role in it.
27:15And Khawaja Asif was sent to the PM.
27:18And the PM was convinced that
27:20if these traditions remain,
27:22this deadlock will be established again
27:24if my name is not finalized.
27:26After that, this committee left.
27:28Right.
27:29So, Waqar Sahib's name has to be taken back.
27:31So, Waqar Sahib's name has to be taken back.
27:33It was not because Imran Khan
27:35did not trust Waqar Sahib.
27:37It was because the government
27:39was reluctant to appoint Waqar Sahib
27:41since months.
27:43If Waqar Sahib is away from his family,
27:45away from his children,
27:47then he is connected to
27:49the PTI, Imran Khan.
27:51That is why he is in Peshawar.
27:53Right.
27:55It was not like that.
27:57It was just a deadlock.
27:59Right.
28:19Right.
28:25And sir,
28:27you were given the responsibility
28:29to replace Imran Khan.
28:31Was it because of that that
28:33Waqar Sahib was not trusted?
28:35No, it was not like that.
28:37Actually, Gandapur Sahib was
28:39very responsible.
28:41The situation in a province
28:43where there was a deadlock
28:45was very bad.
28:47Since our government left,
28:49and before that,
28:51the PTI government
28:53took a breath of peace for the first time.
28:55The situation of the line order
28:57was also bad.
28:59Mr. Ali Amin's responsibility
29:01was very big.
29:03The problem with Mr. Ali Amin
29:05is that 67 MTAs are new.
29:07In the same way,
29:0995% of the people in the cabinet
29:11are not experienced.
29:13It will take time for new people
29:15to learn.
29:17Mr. Ali Amin's responsibility
29:19was very big.
29:21So the party decided
29:23to focus on the government.
29:25As the CM, Mr. Imran Khan,
29:27you have full trust in him
29:29and he will remain the CM.
29:31God willing,
29:33this is Mr. Ali Amin's hope.
29:35He took care of the party
29:37at a difficult time
29:39when no one was ready to take responsibility.
29:41This is not a problem.
29:43I trust Mr. Ali Amin
29:45and I am sure
29:47that Mr. Ali Amin
29:49will fulfill his time
29:51There is a lot of talk
29:53about your relationship
29:55with Mr. Ali Amin.
29:57Is it better now?
29:59I don't have a relationship
30:01with Mr. Ali Amin.
30:03People who know me
30:05know that I don't only have
30:07a conflict with Mr. Ali Amin.
30:09I also had a conflict
30:11with Mr. Imran Khan
30:13when he was the PM.
30:15This is a conflict
30:17between us.
30:19I don't call it a conflict
30:21between me and the PTI.
30:23There is no such thing
30:25in other parties.
30:27I often say that we are
30:29political workers.
30:31There is a difference
30:33between us and other parties.
30:35We can talk about
30:37which forum we should
30:39have a conflict on.
30:41There is no conflict
30:43on this issue.
30:45We are united under
30:47the leadership of Mr. Ali Amin.
30:49I have been with him
30:51in every way.
30:53You are a member
30:55of the Public Accounts Committee.
30:57This is a unique committee.
30:59The chairman has a lot
31:01of powers.
31:03You can have access
31:05to many records.
31:07You can have access
31:09to the government's affairs.
31:11You can have access
31:13to the government's affairs.
31:15You can have access
31:17to the government's affairs.
31:19My responsibility is not
31:21to control the government.
31:23If something goes wrong
31:25in our government
31:27because I am with Pakistan
31:29Tariq Insaad,
31:31I believe in politics
31:33beyond corruption.
31:35Even if my party
31:37is corrupt,
31:39I won't have a problem.
31:41Even if something goes wrong
31:43in my government
31:45I will control it.
31:47I won't let anyone
31:49get in my way.
31:51I won't let anyone
31:53get in my way.
31:55I won't let anyone
31:57get in my way.
31:59I won't let them
32:01get in my way.
32:03I won't let anyone
32:05get in my way.
32:07This is a bridge
32:09that will be built
32:11I mean, from where I started, that Mr. Junaid
32:15getting nominated in such a way, that the same government, as you said,
32:18which was not accepting Mr. Waqas, accepted Mr. Junaid.
32:21So, this is actually a certain level of understanding.
32:23Now, Mr. Junaid will become a bridge between PTI and government, and PTI and establishment.
32:27And at some or the other level, this understanding will take place.
32:29A senior commentator, and a few others, said this.
32:33Is this such a matter?
32:34No, there is no such thing.
32:36I never had any connection with the establishment.
32:39Because, I don't know, even after 9th May, people complain to me in so many ways.
32:45So, no, I never had any connection with it.
32:47And it is a good thing that the establishment has a connection.
32:49These are our institutions.
32:50I have no shame in talking to my institutions.
32:53These are my institutions.
32:54I will not talk to Mr. Ram or anyone else.
32:57So, if I talk to my institutions, and I have succeeded in making them understand this,
33:01then I will thank God that the distance between you and the people has increased.
33:06And these distances should be reduced.
33:08So, if I play a role in this, then it will be my good fortune.
33:11I am absolutely ready to play a role.
33:13If I have a connection with someone, I am ready to talk to them.
33:16And if we find a way in between, then I have no objection.
33:22I will be happy if the establishment talks to me on this matter.
33:26And I openly say that we should talk to the establishment.
33:30With that, people often tell us that we are ready to talk to the political people as well.
33:37But if they have the power, if they have the power to talk to other people,
33:42because I talk to them with confidence and responsibility.
33:45You can ask any of the people of Karabagh.
33:48The government will forcefully give it to them.
33:50Leave the rest, the government will forcefully give it to them.
33:53So, what will I talk to such people?
33:56But if the establishment has a connection, then I will not hide anything.
34:01I will not do it.
34:02I want to talk to the establishment.
34:04So that the decision is made by our institutions, our country.
34:08Neither Imran Khan nor the head of the institution will be affected.
34:13If these decisions are taken, the institutions will be affected as well as the country.
34:17So, I want such decisions to be taken.
34:21And sir, the last question.
34:23You said that you disagree with your leader, Imran Khan.
34:27So, don't you think that when it was decided, it was written,
34:31that the government will answer after 7 working days.
34:34So, let's wait for 3-4 days.
34:36Let the 7 working days happen.
34:37Let's listen to the government on the 28th.
34:39That is, tomorrow.
34:40And the government says that this commission is not to be approved.
34:42Let's end the negotiations.
34:43But at least let that day come.
34:45What difference does it make from 3-4 days?
34:46Don't you think?
34:47No, it was not an issue of 3-4 days.
34:49The issue was that on the one hand, there were negotiations with us at the house of Saabzada.
34:53And on the other hand, if this is the attitude of Saabzada,
34:56that there are negotiations at Saabzada's house,
35:00which is also our affiliation,
35:02and Saabzada has been with us for a long time.
35:06So, if this is the attitude of the government,
35:08that on the one hand, they will file an FIR against us,
35:11and on the other hand, they will pressurize us.
35:13So, this is the message that the government is giving us,
35:16that we will forcefully get our conditions approved from you.
35:19So, if you give such a message, it will get a reaction.
35:22So, if we had to get this thing approved from you,
35:25then we would have got it approved earlier.
35:26So, the government and these institutions should know that
35:29you have failed to get your message approved.
35:32You have forced Riyadh.
35:34There is no example of this in history.
35:35What happened to us here, what happened to our children,
35:38what happened to our women, there is no example of this in history.
35:42So far, you have not been able to break a woman.
35:46So, don't imagine that you will suppress us,
35:49that you will pressurize us and we will listen to you.
35:52We will listen to the principles of the country, of the republic,
35:55of the constitution and of the law.
35:57We are ready to show and hear everything.
36:02But if there is any misunderstanding,
36:04that you will put pressure on us and we will listen to you,
36:07then this is a misunderstanding.
36:08So, sir, the summary is this, Mr. Junaid,
36:10that it means that there was a collapse on your nomination,
36:13and there was a complete impression that Mr. Khan is very angry with Mr. Aleem-e-Gandapur.
36:17That is why, Mr. Khan, we have started taking back the nomination from him.
36:20In the first phase, we have taken over the KPK.
36:22Perhaps, the CM of the KPK may not be able to stay.
36:24And we have brought Ali Ameen's anti-Junaid.
36:26You refute all these things, there is nothing like that.
36:29No, no, absolutely.
36:30The tweet that I made,
36:32I got it from Mr. Ali Ameen.
36:36There was input from Mr. Shah Parman,
36:38there was input from both sides of Atif Khan.
36:40Right.
36:41And before me and Mr. Ali Ameen,
36:43after the 9th of May,
36:45I had the most contact with Mr. Ali Ameen.
36:47And we have spent the worst time together.
36:51I will not say that this is a conflict.
36:53We have conflicts, we have conflicts, and we have conflicts.
36:57But the purpose of the conflict is not that
36:59we are making a deal against a party,
37:01or a deal against each other.
37:03There is nothing like that.
37:04Thank you very much, sir.
37:05Thank you very much, Mr. Junaid, for talking to us.
37:07Let's take a break.
37:08In the highest courts of Pakistan,
37:10the situation is very tense at the moment.
37:12What is happening? Why is it happening?
37:13And what will happen after the break?
37:17Welcome back to the program.
37:19As I said,
37:20there is no time to go into the details.
37:22But in the highest court of Pakistan,
37:25a case was heard.
37:27During that case,
37:28an impression is being made that
37:30this case is being tried to be put in the same bench
37:32from this court.
37:34On that, people,
37:35the Supreme Court registrar
37:37received a notice from the same court.
37:39Many cases went on.
37:40The story is brief.
37:41Today, the matter has come to this point
37:43that some judges have written in their decision
37:46that they consider some of their fellow judges
37:48to be insulting the court.
37:50Although the proceedings against them are not continuing.
37:52The story is brief.
37:53In the highest court of Pakistan,
37:55the situation is very tense at the moment.
37:57Let's talk to two senior people
37:59to find out what this matter is
38:01and what will happen.
38:03The president of the Supreme Court Bar Association,
38:05Mr. Rukh Fattah,
38:06and Mr. Shahbaz Khosla,
38:07who is a senior lawyer,
38:10both are with us.
38:11Mr. Shahbaz,
38:12do you think this matter is worrying?
38:16Without going into the details and technicalities of each case,
38:20I am discussing the overall situation of the court.
38:23In the past,
38:24when the court was so big,
38:25the results were not good.
38:27And this matter did not go ahead.
38:30Yes, see,
38:31Mr. Badami,
38:32greetings to you and your guests.
38:34This is a very unfortunate thing.
38:36I think that in Pakistan,
38:38we have a shortage of enemies outside.
38:40We are looking for enemies among ourselves
38:42among other Pakistani brothers and institutions.
38:45And there are so many protests against each other.
38:47All the buildings you see on Shahra-e-Dastur,
38:51they are symbols of our federation.
38:53They are symbols of our unity.
38:55Whether it is the parliament,
38:56whether it is the president's office,
38:58whether it is the building of the Supreme Court.
39:00And unfortunately,
39:02you can see the divide here.
39:04For a few years,
39:05the way there has been a divide in the whole nation,
39:07there has been a divide in these institutions as well.
39:09And this divide,
39:11you see it again and again.
39:13You can see it clearly.
39:15And in the judiciary,
39:16especially for a few years,
39:17you have been seeing this.
39:18What you just saw,
39:20the episode you are talking about,
39:22there was a case going on in front of a few judges,
39:26which was suddenly removed from in front of those judges.
39:30When this thing happened earlier,
39:32some time before this,
39:33in the time of Mr. Bandyal,
39:35these judges wrote a critical note on this
39:40and gave judgments that
39:42this way you cannot remove a pending matter
39:44from in front of a judge.
39:46And gave judgments on this as well.
39:48And unfortunately,
39:49this kind of thing happened again,
39:51on which this thing came from another side.
39:55And on this,
39:57in my opinion,
39:59the judges restrained themselves
40:01that they did not hold themselves accountable for the insults of the court.
40:04And that is why we say,
40:06you are absolutely right,
40:08that the contentious issues,
40:10instead of partying here,
40:13and saying that this should not be heard,
40:15and that should not be heard,
40:16this should be heard.
40:17That is why we say again and again
40:19that on contentious issues,
40:20the issues of national importance,
40:22all of them should sit together once,
40:24in the form of a full court,
40:26and they should decide this.
40:28Today you must have seen that
40:30cases of 26th Ayni Tarmeem were also in the Supreme Court.
40:33And in that,
40:34the electors of the whole of Pakistan
40:37have given applications.
40:39Many known lawyers have given applications.
40:41Former presidents have given applications,
40:44against the 26th Ayni Tarmeem.
40:46If you listen to the full court,
40:48the judges objected to it,
40:49that do you think you do not trust us?
40:52So, because I am also a lawyer in three petitions,
40:56and I am a lawyer on behalf of the former president,
40:59so in that,
41:00we had to tell the judges
41:02that we have no objection to you,
41:04that you are sitting with 8 judges of the Ayni Bench,
41:08but because the politicized,
41:10the environment is so charged at the moment,
41:12that we do not want anyone to get a chance
41:15to say that these are special judges,
41:19or these are select judges.
41:20Now if this happens in that,
41:22that if they say that some new judges,
41:24they will not say it,
41:25they will not say it like this,
41:26but if there is an induction of new judges,
41:28that happens,
41:29and after that it becomes a full court,
41:31then how will it be?
41:32See, this is a very unfortunate thing,
41:34what will happen with this?
41:36This will create an impression,
41:38that they are trying to pack the court,
41:40with the judges of their choice,
41:43and this will be an unfortunate thing,
41:45if this happens.
41:46And I was seeing that,
41:47the last already called,
41:49as soon as the order has been made in this case,
41:52for three weeks,
41:53these were not such circumstances,
41:55it should have been avoided.
41:56So you see a connection between the two,
41:58and you see it happening,
41:59even though you think it will be unfortunate,
42:00but you think it will happen.
42:01I will say this,
42:04and I am sure,
42:06that the rest of the lawyers also want this,
42:08that this work should be done happily,
42:10and coincidentally,
42:12and no such step should be taken in this,
42:14that it seems tainted,
42:16or it seems that the government,
42:19is trying to fill its people in this.
42:21If God is with you,
42:22Mr. Shahbaz,
42:23I have a quick comment on this,
42:24Rahul sir,
42:25I will tell you the same question.
42:26Again, a common man,
42:27who is in so many technicalities,
42:28again I am saying,
42:29he will think that,
42:30even if the court is of the lowest level,
42:33then its job is to get the poets,
42:36to clarify among themselves.
42:38Here the biggest problem of the country's court,
42:40is that they are not able to clarify among themselves,
42:43and obviously,
42:45they sit in the same building every day,
42:47they live in the same place,
42:49they are neighbours,
42:50they must meet for tea,
42:51but the matter is not being resolved there,
42:53that is why sometimes in remarks,
42:55sometimes in declarations,
42:56sometimes in letters,
42:57sometimes in decisions,
42:58they are blaming each other.
43:00This itself,
43:01explains the situation.
43:03So,
43:04from here,
43:05what will happen next?
43:06If you agree,
43:08with what I said.
43:09Rahul sir?
43:10In the name of God,
43:11the most merciful.
43:12Look,
43:13this is a bit of a dilemma,
43:14as you say,
43:15the way the situation is,
43:16when the 26th amendment,
43:19the amendment that was passed,
43:21even before that,
43:22there was controversy in the political community,
43:24after the controversy,
43:25this amendment was passed by the assembly,
43:28after it was passed by the parliament,
43:30it became a part of the amendment,
43:31and then,
43:32as per its rule,
43:33its amendments started to be made.
43:34Yes.
43:35The case from which this controversy started,
43:36that case was,
43:37in it,
43:38the custom act,
43:39the 221st amendment,
43:41was challenged.
43:43So,
43:44because that matter,
43:45under section 191A,
43:47the jurisdiction that was made,
43:49was of the amendment bench.
43:51So,
43:52when this matter,
43:53when Adhikshan Jisar,
43:54who was given a notice of contempt,
43:57he said that,
43:58I have written a note there,
44:00that,
44:01from the regular bench,
44:03an order has been passed,
44:05that it should be fixed for the 26th.
44:10And before that,
44:11it was for the 27th,
44:12but I think it was fixed for the 16th.
44:15So,
44:16when he went to the committee,
44:18under the precedent procedure,
44:19when the committee was constituted,
44:21when this matter went to them,
44:22they examined it.
44:24So,
44:25the third member was also invited,
44:27but he did not participate.
44:29So,
44:30the majority decided that,
44:31this is a matter of constitutional jurisdiction,
44:34this is a matter of the constitutional bench,
44:36it comes under its own jurisdiction.
44:39So,
44:40this case was sent there.
44:41So,
44:42after this,
44:43this controversy arose,
44:44that no,
44:45before this,
44:46a judicial order was passed.
44:47Now,
44:48you have told the history,
44:49it has happened.
44:50Now,
44:51what is the situation of the judiciary?
44:52This is a very worrisome situation,
44:53where it is clear that,
44:54a judge should be labelled in this way,
44:55a judge should be labelled in that way.
44:56They say,
44:57you are a member of this court,
44:58they say,
44:59you are a disciplinarian.
45:00Yes,
45:01in my opinion,
45:02the judges should abide by the constitution,
45:04the mandate of the constitution should be accepted.
45:06Article 191a of the constitution,
45:08clearly states that,
45:09all the clauses,
45:10all the articles,
45:112,
45:123,
45:134,
45:145,
45:15under them,
45:16there are such cases,
45:17which come under the jurisdiction of the constitutional bench.
45:20And,
45:21when a matter comes to the court,
45:23the court is under the duty bound,
45:25that it examines,
45:26whether it is under the jurisdiction or not.
45:28If it is not under the jurisdiction,
45:29then it returns it back.
45:31So,
45:32in my opinion,
45:33the first order was also,
45:34that of the court of non-judicial,
45:35that was the jurisdiction.
45:36The statement was also the jurisdiction.
45:38So,
45:39I don't think,
45:40it should not have been given.
45:41So,
45:42from this,
45:43this dilemma is moving forward.
45:44This should not happen.
45:45The judges should sit in the office,
45:46and should tolerate this matter forever.
45:48But,
45:49thank you very much.
45:50Thank you very much,
45:51Mr. Gupta.
45:52But,
45:53I would like to make a point.
45:54Yes.
45:55Mr. Shabaz,
45:56who was saying,
45:57that these petitions have been filed,
45:58in Pakistan,
45:59in Namar Vukla.
46:00Regarding Namar Vukla,
46:01I would like to tell you,
46:02they are mostly motivated,
46:03they have affiliation with some party.
46:05These are the same,
46:06politically motivated,
46:07petitions that have been filed.
46:09See,
46:10the constitution,
46:11gives the power to the parliament,
46:12gives the power to the constitution.
46:14We accept that power.
46:15The independence of the court was not affected by this.
46:17In fact,
46:18the actions of the judges,
46:20have taken the same direction.
46:22Earlier,
46:23one or two people used to do it.
46:24Now,
46:25the action of this petition,
46:26has taken the same direction.
46:28Under this,
46:29the common judges,
46:30are also being seen,
46:31to become judges.
46:33From some side,
46:34you cannot see the voice,
46:36that this is being unfair.
46:37Unfortunately,
46:38the situation has become such,
46:39that every action of everyone,
46:40whether they are judges,
46:41or common judges,
46:42or lawyers,
46:43their actions are being seen,
46:44that this,
46:45this is politically motivated,
46:46this will be fun.
46:47Thank you very much,
46:48to both the guests.
46:49Thank you very much.
46:50Zindagi Sehati,
46:51we will meet tomorrow,
46:52Insha Allah.
46:53Allah Hafiz.