👉 Enrique Viale, abogado ambientalista, discute la grave situación de los incendios forestales en Chubut y Río Negro, que han consumido ya 20,000 hectáreas de superficie. Viale critica el desmantelamiento del Servicio Nacional de Manejo del Fuego y llama a los gobiernos a tomar medidas más efectivas contra el cambio climático. Además, destaca el papel crucial del voluntariado en la lucha contra estos incendios y ofrece formas de ayudar a través de su cuenta de Instagram.
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00:00Communication now with Enrique Viale, Quique Viale is an environmentalist lawyer, he knows a lot about this, Quique good morning, I wanted to consult you first of all, what do you know, what are the latest information that there is regarding the situation that is being experienced both in Chubut and in Rio Negro, right?
00:17Because we are talking about practically, well, a few days ago we also talked about what happened in Península Valdez, the fires are besieging Patagonia.
00:27It is a very, very worrying situation, 20,000 hectares of surface are already consumed, 20,000 hectares, to give you an idea, is the surface of the city of Buenos Aires.
00:40Those comparisons are central, because perhaps one does not take the dimension in hectares, that is, it is clear, it is a complete city of Buenos Aires, we were just saying 18,000, 20,000, yes.
00:51An hectare is an urban apple, 20,000 are 20,000, which is more or less what the city of Buenos Aires has as a whole, as if it were a large forest, everything set on fire.
01:02The situation is dramatic, a situation, but very, very complex and that also tends to aggravate, to continue.
01:11The combo of factors here makes this misfortune look like an announced misfortune, right?
01:17That is also the problem, we wrote an article a few weeks ago anticipating a little what was coming, right?
01:23The dismantling, the precariousness of the national fire service, the climate change that makes the dry seasons much more complex.
01:34All this combo of an austerity state, both national and provincial, or at least very unfunded, makes the situation dramatic.
01:46We see that people are trying, we know that in the face of this there is a lot of volunteering, beyond of course the SPLIF and the professional brigades and volunteers who are working there.
02:00But there are a lot of people who are also trying to support those who are putting their bodies to fight the fire.
02:07How can we help? Because inevitably this completely disrupts the life of the entire community of Patagonia.
02:19It is a very organized community. Patagonia is also a very supportive town, right?
02:24Yes.
02:26It is very community-oriented. There are a lot of places.
02:32If you want to collaborate on my Instagram, enrique.viale, we share the very safe link of things that will go directly to those affected.
02:43But the best way to collaborate is to demand active states from governments, the national state and the provincial states.
02:52It cannot be a kind of privatization of these situations, right?
02:56We need, in the face of global climate change, these situations that are going to aggravate and are happening all over the world.
03:03A very strong national fire management service with contracts.
03:07Do you know that the brigadists, those who are in the middle of the fire, have a three-month contract?
03:12They are totally precarious, risking their lives for us, and they work with a three-month contract.
03:18On December 30, last year, the national government made the decision to pass the national fire management service from the environmental portfolio to the security one.
03:28Someone is asking Patricia Borges what is happening.
03:32Why is she totally absent, or practically absent, except for these brigadists who put their lives on the line for precarious contracts that they do not know if they will be renewed.
03:42Quique, I wanted to consult you, if you give us a moment, because we have information to show with Miriam Andreoli about this satellite monitoring that is being done.
03:53Now we come back to you with some concepts, but Miriam, I listen to you.
03:57What is this map that you are showing us?
04:00The National Space Activity Commission is working intensely with the Landsat 8 satellite.
04:08These are the images that have been produced in the last few hours about the different fires that are taking place both in Chubut and in Rio Negro.
04:15It gives a detailed satellite image of which areas have been consumed by the fire and also the areas that are focal points,
04:22focal points that generate new fires in the area.
04:26The areas marked in intense red indicate the already lost areas, native forests that no longer exist.
04:33The areas marked here in this blue image indicate the lacustrine areas.
04:38And the areas marked in gray, the smoke points, where the smoke is registered, where the smoke is displaced precisely due to the new focuses that are appearing.
04:49It is an excellent tool that is being provided at the moment both to the National Fire Management Plan
04:58and also to national parks, as well as to the National Integrated Risk Management System.
05:05This information is being used at the provincial and national level precisely to be able to attack these fires in Patagonia.
05:13Enrique, I wanted to ask you about the responsibilities that may or may not have, or that may or may not pay consequences,
05:24which are indicated as precisely the people who would have started this fire.
05:31I say it in a potential because, well, we will still have to continue investigating this.
05:35But it is already official that two governors said that they were intentional because of the way in which the fires began
05:42and that I understand that the Argentine legislation does not accompany the situation to be able to fall with the weight of the law
05:51that this situation would imply or deserve due to the dimension it has.
05:58We have been asking for a change in the criminal code for a long time to incorporate both the demolition crime,
06:06which has to do with other places in our country, as well as the crime, in this case, of natural forest fire.
06:13We think it is key that there must be a legislative modification.
06:17But our current criminal code has some types of penalties that serve for this type of case,
06:23the strado, the painful strado, that is, it has situations that could be applied and apply all the weight of the law.
06:32If it is very important that we do not agitate ghosts, you talked about governors,
06:36the governor of Chubut is handling it in a very, very light way,
06:40with enormous lightness, trying to blame external elements,
06:45among them they always stigmatize the Mapuche communities,
06:49many of the brigadistas are Mapuche,
06:52and also a Mapuche community would never set a forest on fire because it has a relationship that we sometimes do not understand.
07:00So be careful with that, because they also want to agitate ghosts,
07:04precisely to alleviate the governmental responsibilities, which are many.
07:08Notice that most of the collections have to do with material that the state should provide.
07:12Look, there are collections, we need hoses, we need ...
07:15And this is an interface fire, which means that it is not only forest, but there are many, many houses.
07:22And the one who loses a house loses everything.
07:24They lose everything.
07:26And we have to help it as a state, as a society, also communally.
07:32Let's be very attentive, let's not loosen up, let's talk about this issue.
07:36I thank you for being encouraged to speak.
07:39The truth is that it is not being spoken, it was spoken more ...
07:41I don't say it for you, that you are talking about it,
07:43but the media spoke more about the fire in California, the truth, than the fire in Patagonia.
07:48Well, Kike, thank you very much.
07:50Kike Viale, environmental lawyer, for this information.
07:53Well, we know that animals are also being sought, right?
07:56We said it, because about this, many times what happens is that puppies, kittens,
08:02which are pets, which are part of the families of the people of the south,
08:08are ... well, they get scared and get lost,
08:12or the families have to evacuate and end up leaving them there, or they can't take them.
08:19Here are some of what is being sought, for example, in the Bolson area,
08:22a shepherd sheep, a terrier mini ...
08:26Well, there is information about these two animals that are being sought,
08:31but how this situation is replicated by dozens.
08:35A wind that is making it difficult to control the fire,
08:38and we are going to continue, of course, working on this issue.