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00:00I'm going to tell you a little bit about what happened with Mora Rial yesterday.
00:07We're going to do a little summary, trying to remind everyone.
00:10Well, she had been arrested in the early morning of the day before yesterday, 3.30 in the morning.
00:16She had been intercepted in a hotel on Cerrito Street.
00:20Exactly, they had gone to look for her and from there they transferred her to the Martinez police station.
00:25No, the first neighborhood police station is in the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
00:28Exactly, and yesterday they transferred her.
00:30At night she arrives at 10.30 to the Women's Police Station 7 in Las Lomas de San Isidro.
00:35In the middle, obviously, there was a strategy to see what she was going to do or not.
00:39Chipola, trying to communicate with her, could not do it until today.
00:42And today, obviously, they transferred her because she said,
00:45I have to declare and I have the issue of the declaration and the inquiry.
00:49That, until today, and she returned to the police station.
00:52There we have the images of how the 7th arrived on the day of yesterday when she was transferred
00:57because later she would have to go to the prosecutor's office to declare, right?
01:02This is the moment when she was transferred, right, Pepe?
01:04This is the moment from today to the afternoon.
01:06Ah, this is today?
01:07Yes, there are three moments. From Capital Federal they transfer her to San Isidro.
01:11From San Isidro they move her from a place to a prosecutor's office and they bring her back to the 7th police station.
01:16At one point, Morena Rial asks to go to the hospital.
01:19They take her to the hospital for some bruises that she already had.
01:22Obviously, Morena Rial slept on the floor yesterday, she did not eat.
01:26I want to ask you a question.
01:28Chipola's statements are worrying because she said that she was very sad,
01:34that it is logical that she is, that she was discouraged and that she had not even wanted to eat.
01:39She was without food, obviously she did not have a mattress, she asked for medical assistance.
01:43She did not have a mattress?
01:44She did not have a mattress.
01:45Why?
01:46And because it is the reality that we live in, it seems to me.
01:48No, no, no.
01:50Not only in reality, I understand that Chipola, in my understanding,
01:53maybe we can talk about it later with Dr. D'Alessandro,
01:56maybe it is to use everything that happens,
01:59because everyone who loses their freedom will not be sad or laughing, going to testify.
02:04So maybe he uses that to say, he is not at his best.
02:08Yes, well, that's why I was asking you.
02:10Let's see, I'm going to ask Mauricio.
02:12Mauricio, good evening. Mauricio D'Alessandro, how are you, doctor?
02:14Mauricio, the question is, is this a strategy to say that the person who is detained is bad?
02:22What Dr. Chipola has described is what usually happens with a detainee.
02:27They go to a police station where they are usually assigned.
02:31This is usual because there are no means or logistics necessary for this to be done much faster.
02:39You imagine that to transfer a person from the capital to the province,
02:43you have to take people to escort, female staff because it is a woman.
02:50There are a lot of things that complicate, in parallel there are 200 ...
02:54In this last round, in the third round, in the 43rd trial,
02:59in the turn of this month there were 65 detainees in the federal capital,
03:04only in the instruction round.
03:08That is, it is impressive, that is, there are a lot of people detained.
03:11To that we have to add those who are for contraventions and for minor things.
03:16Mauricio, and this that Pepe pointed out, that, well, Dr. Chipola complained because he did not have a mattress.
03:22Yes, but, sorry to interrupt, because at first in the cell phones that Chipola gave, he said,
03:26Morena is going to declare, Morena tells me that she is innocent.
03:29I understand that he got together with Morena, they could talk about the subject,
03:32and Chipola said to the press, Morena tells me that she is innocent,
03:36Morena is going to declare, I recommended it to her.
03:39When Morena arrives at the prosecution, I understand that she meets with her lawyer,
03:43This is mandatory, a half-hour talk.
03:47There Chipola tells her, do not declare, Chipola tells her, do not declare,
03:52and Chipola goes to the media to say that everything is a mistake.
03:56This supposedly said that he could not say two words together,
04:01that's why he told her, the best thing is not to speak.
04:04Yes, but I would like to ask the doctor.
04:06He talked about the predisposition, just like Chipola, in the last note he gave,
04:09he marked the predisposition of the place as to have, of course,
04:13everything that is the mattress and the comforts that are within reach in these 24 hours.
04:17Yes, now on the point that Pepe says, that there was a change in Chipola's attitude,
04:23Chipola had a first version, and then when he found her,
04:27after the night that had passed and everything,
04:29the lawyer has half an hour to talk to his client.
04:32You are there, you ask him, and you play the role as if you were the prosecutor who is asking him.
04:38And if you see that he can not answer, you say, stop declaring.
04:41There I say, I return to the point of the strategy, because we talked about this,
04:44if it is like a strategy, and this of declaring her innocent,
04:48there are many tests that show that she would not be so innocent.
04:53Chipola, what he emphasizes is that there is a filming outside the place of the fact.
04:58She is withdrawn from the place of the fact with another person.
05:01Why did she leave in a moment?
05:02Half a block, but then she left.
05:04Because she left practically 200 meters away.
05:07Wait, because here Pepe has, and this is barbaric,
05:09because he has precisely the information with videos, minute by minute.
05:13We have a testimonial statement, there are four parts,
05:17one starts at the service station, where they find Morena Real,
05:21a second part where it is declared about the cameras that were seen at the time of the scrutiny.
05:27But I'm going to ask you, before you go into that,
05:30you told me, in the preview, that there is a way in which they linked,
05:36and that's where we have to start, and that surely Dr. D'Alessandro will be able to assist us.
05:42How did they link what happened on the 22nd with the 18th,
05:47and they said it was the same person?
05:49Because that seems to me to be the place where all this turbulence is unleashed.
05:53When she is arrested on January 22,
05:55she is then released for an attempt to break in.
05:59Obviously Morena is released several hours later,
06:02obviously here we did all the coverage.
06:04When they take those photos inside the police station,
06:07in the police system, Morena Real is registered.
06:11When they are going to look, after that date,
06:14that is, later, to investigate the case on January 18,
06:17for the photos they had on January 22,
06:22and the analysis of the cameras and the photographs of the 18th,
06:26they realized that that person coincided in the record.
06:30Added to the statements that we have here, that we are going to show you and tell you,
06:35which has to do with people seeing Morena in the area,
06:39and how Morena was dressed, and then they do all that.
06:43Vanishing point by point the images.
06:45Doctor, is this usually done?
06:49Exhaustive work.
06:50This exhaustive work is done to see if it is the same person?
06:53They are intelligence tasks.
06:54Yes, clearly.
06:55And also, let's not forget that Vicente López,
06:58Vicente López, although he is from Munro,
07:00has a very good system of cameras.
07:03It is a system of cameras that has been around for several years,
07:06and they quickly begin to look where the car went, who got in,
07:10and other facts.
07:11Not for security reasons, because they enter a lot of houses.
07:13Sorry?
07:14Not for security reasons, because they enter a lot of houses.
07:16No, but it's okay.
07:17Of cameras, yes.
07:18The problem with cameras is that if they are not well managed by expert people,
07:21they serve to see later what happened.
07:23In this case, they served to do that investigation,
07:27and so they discovered, even in Morena's self-detention,
07:31there are two other people.
07:33One of them, I think, is a friend of...
07:35Yes, there were five people in total.
07:37What happens if Morena...
07:38The police establishes three, what I saw.
07:40How?
07:41No, but there are three who are in this moment detained,
07:43and two who are fugitives.
07:44But here the statement is five people.
07:46Sure.
07:47The statement, what it throws with everything that we are going to see,
07:49is how they do, because first they brake the car,
07:52two get out, then two other people get out.
07:55There is one of those people who walks a block...
07:58Sure, there is a whole armed operative.
08:00When he sees that they managed to enter the house,
08:03they get in the car and leave.
08:05And that car, driven by Morena Real,
08:07was going around the neighborhood for half an hour.
08:10Here is another point that Dr. D'Alessandro is also going to help us.
08:13Yesterday, when we did the note with chipolas,
08:15we called it a gang.
08:17And he said, hey, calling this a gang is a lot.
08:19Isn't this the action of a gang?
08:21Yes, yes, clearly it is a gang.
08:23Yes, it is a gang.
08:24And where each one has a role.
08:26Sure.
08:27I think that there, about that, Chipola will surely work
08:31on what was the role of Morena Real.
08:34Why?
08:35Because, clearly, she is just, without a peso,
08:38because she has no house,
08:40for the home arrest,
08:42they are looking for a home for her,
08:44because she, today,
08:46when she says, I want a home arrest,
08:48she has to show that she has a house.
08:51Real ruled that it is her house,
08:53beyond the fact that she has the grandson, of course,
08:55that in no way is the daughter in the house.
08:57And on the other hand, I wanted to ask you, Mauricio,
08:59are there chances that Morena actually declares
09:02and, let's say, complicates the gang
09:04and helps, cooperates, in some way, the justice,
09:07to dismantle that?
09:09She can regret it.
09:11Yes.
09:12But that brings...
09:13Sorry, regret.
09:14In a gang it brings consequences.
09:15How is it to regret?
09:16Say, I apologize?
09:17No, no, no.
09:18Not to regret,
09:19to regret is to say,
09:20I was part of a gang,
09:22I did this,
09:23these are the facts that we did,
09:25these are the facts that we reduced.
09:27They are investigating other facts
09:29and they are investigating what relationship there is
09:31between these five...
09:32Are there more facts?
09:33Yes.
09:34Yes.
09:35Yes.
09:36No, no.
09:37Well, there is another recent case
09:38that has the same characteristics.
09:39Look, I'm going to say this,
09:40there were four or five people,
09:42with the production also,
09:43we were all day working,
09:44people who are afraid to report,
09:46but who have in their security cameras
09:48cars, cars of the same color,
09:51cars that were used in these things.
09:53But they always rented the same?
09:54No, I think they were renting...
09:56And maybe they did more than one robbery a day, I say.
09:58And in all cases, did Morena drive?
10:00No, in that sense it is not known,
10:01but we are after that thing,
10:02then it is something that also...
10:04It would complicate the situation.
10:05There are facts that they are going to investigate.
10:06The strategy by which Morena would go,
10:07which today, evidently,
10:08she was not prepared to declare,
10:10is this that the doctor said,
10:12is to inculpate someone from the band,
10:15precisely to the minor people,
10:17precisely for...
10:18For the inimputable.
10:20To clean up and claim
10:23that she has been pressured, threatened,
10:26and that she lives in a context
10:28where life was not easy for her
10:30and where she goes out to steal with her son
10:32because she is adopted
10:34and she has a certain fear of abandonment.
10:38And they are going to go for that strategy.
10:40Do you think that's what happened?
10:41What Cintia says now is married to a lawyer.
10:44She must have told you.
10:45We have a problem now.
10:46No, well, but I say,
10:47is that possible in a strategy,
10:49to claim that because I am adopted?
10:50Yes, but it is useless to regret it.
10:52You can't even regret it.
10:54It is useless to say,
10:56there was a minor who is 14 years old
10:58who worked with us...
11:00No, who is being threatened by that minor.
11:02She has to regret it to the top, Cintia.
11:05She has to say,
11:06above all this, there is someone...
11:08This guy, this guy...
11:09Who sent us to steal,
11:11who reduced the money...
11:13She has to sell her environment, basically.
11:15She has to sell her environment.
11:17And that, what would she benefit from?
11:19What could she get?
11:20Freedom? No.
11:21She reduces the penalty.
11:22If that happens, justice will take care
11:24so that you are in freedom quickly.
11:27But I say...
11:28A certain fear of abandonment...
11:31A fear of abandonment.
11:33And the sister, I say,
11:34sorry, but...
11:35I imagine...
11:36It is a strategy of the lawyers.
11:38They will go for that.
11:39Well, that's why I say,
11:40I think she can say a lot of things from there,
11:42that the judge takes them into account or not,
11:43it is obvious.
11:44And it would be a scare that justice,
11:45for being mediatic,
11:46take measures that we know that...
11:47But it is obvious that this girl
11:48has emotional problems, at least.
11:52And it is obvious that she has two children,
11:56I don't know the father of the last one,
11:58I don't know who he is,
11:59but he doesn't take care of the boy, I mean...
12:01And he is not able to take care of him,
12:03I mean, we see it...
12:04But there are a lot of people in that reality,
12:06who don't go out to commit crimes.
12:08No, no.
12:09How do we naturalize something...
12:10This does not justify.
12:11It is not justifying it,
12:12it is talking about a strategy
12:13that they can come up with.
12:15A strategy based on his life story,
12:17that there are things that are true,
12:19that is what we discussed yesterday,
12:20his reality is true, it is true.
12:22It's my victim, victim.
12:23But like the misplaced UFO,
12:24who told me to shut up
12:25and says to me,
12:26shut up, little girl,
12:27go down three floors.
12:28Shut up, little girl,
12:29shut up, little girl.
12:30But no, it was very ignorant.
12:32Sorry, Marce.
12:33Instead of sending her to jail
12:34and having her receive a punishment,
12:35because the criminal acts are already successive,
12:38which apparently she would have committed,
12:40I mean, they send her to do therapy,
12:42so we send all the whores to do therapy
12:44and they rob us all.
12:45No, look, I...
12:46Well, but it's ignorant.
12:47Can I add something to you?
12:48Yes, yes.
12:49President Morena posted a story
12:50about Chipola where he says...
12:51Does he have the phone?
12:52No, no.
12:53I don't know, I posted it on Instagram.
12:54No, he must handle it.
12:55Well, for the case, it's Instagram.
12:56The doctor can have a phone
12:58No, a person can handle it.
12:59Sure.
13:00It's still communicated,
13:01but the prisoners can't have a phone.
13:03Okay, and that's what the community manager does.
13:06I reposted this story of Chipola,
13:07which says,
13:08I report that no type of interview
13:10will be provided in relation to the cause
13:12that Morena Rial possesses
13:13until the multiple court orders are resolved.
13:15This decision is based expressly
13:17on not interrupting the probationary measures
13:19and thus be able to reach the truth
13:21after the media tour.
13:23Here, so that no one gets angry
13:24with Dr. D'Alessandro,
13:25because it is logical.
13:26The doctor first, who is a lawyer.
13:27And second, that lawyers build a whole strategy
13:30to save the criminal from the situation
13:32that he is going through.
13:33They are going to put any amount.
13:35What's more, when one, for example,
13:37goes to claim a sum of money,
13:38he asks for millions.
13:40Then, well, the judge determines that it is the same.
13:43But it's true.
13:44It's true, doctor.
13:46But no, but you have to see
13:47if one is a believer or a defender.
13:49Of course.
13:50And what is the ethic of the lawyers,
13:52I mean, of what Maradona does first?
13:54He doesn't have an ethic.
13:55He doesn't have an ethic.
13:56The first one is Dr. D'Alessandro.
13:58No!
13:59He said Dr. D'Alessandro.
14:01He's going to defend Magoza
14:02if he goes against the law.
14:04It's the last time I'm defending him.
14:06We won a trial, that's why I corrected him.
14:08But there was a beautiful movie
14:09called The Devil's Lawyer.
14:11That's it.
14:12Well, but not everyone is the same.
14:14The vast majority of people
14:15are defending real love,
14:17although people ask for what they ask for the most,
14:19to jail, to be thrown to the floor,
14:22to sleep on the floor.
14:25Yes, you said it.
14:26No, I didn't say to be thrown to the floor.
14:29No, that's what I said.
14:30I didn't say to be thrown to the floor.
14:31I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
14:32She said it's the reality.
14:33One second.
14:34The situation of prisons is a reality
14:36that not only lives in Moreno,
14:37but a lot of people.
14:38So, what I said is that if they don't have a mattress,
14:41it's because it's a reality
14:42that lives in prisons.
14:43And I know it for a personal matter,
14:45the situation of prisons.
14:46First.
14:47Second.
14:48I would never wish someone something like that.
14:50We don't know each other, but I would never do it.
14:52What I ask for is justice,
14:53and not because she's Rial's daughter,
14:55she should be treated differently.
14:57That seems unfair to me.
14:59You think that...
15:00I would like that the media
15:02doesn't get involved in what justice is.
15:04Listen to me, Damacia.
15:05Because if they don't, it's like a privilege.
15:06You are pointing out something
15:07that a lot of people believe,
15:09that those people who have a known relative,
15:12or are the children of a famous person,
15:14or a politician, etc.,
15:15have privileges at the time of...
15:17And sometimes justice...
15:18Yes, do you believe that?
15:19I think so.
15:20I think justice...
15:21No, but in this case...
15:22The most specific case is Cholula.
15:24Let's get Jorge Rial out of the way,
15:26because in this case...
15:27Jorge didn't ask for it.
15:28No, I just described...
15:29I'm not talking about Jorge asking for it.
15:31Cholula's daughter,
15:32with one arm, with the chin.
15:33Wait, let's see.
15:34I just described a judge,
15:36an instruction judge,
15:38a guarantee judge,
15:39as it's called in the province,
15:40and she says to me,
15:41Mauricio, no prisoner in a police station
15:43has a mattress.
15:44Of course.
15:45Because another thing that happens...
15:46We don't even think it's a prison.
15:47The mattresses have to be unsealed.
15:49Unsealed.
15:50Why?
15:51Because prisoners tend to set fire...
15:52If they don't have any cutting material,
15:54or anything that can...
15:55No, but also,
15:56prisoners tend to set the mattress on fire
15:57so that it can be...
15:58Of course, of course.
15:59Anyway, they run away anyway.
16:0017 of them all come out together.
16:02Beyond the indignation you can generate,
16:04because, as Cynthia said,
16:05there are a lot of reiterated cases that were...
16:07They are still minor crimes.
16:08Of course.
16:09I mean, beyond...
16:10I'm sure he'll get an execution.
16:11I don't know how he's going to do that,
16:12but if it's less than three years...
16:13Let's put the two robots together.
16:15The crimes that are being charged against him right now...
16:17Right now, of course.
16:18...are unprisonable crimes.
16:19All of them.
16:20Of course, that's why.
16:21And at least,
16:22that's what he's going to ask,
16:23according to what Ochoa just anticipated,
16:25is a morigeration.
16:27Any mother who has a son who is less than four years old,
16:30and even more so if he's in custody...
16:32I'm going to tell you something.
16:33He has the right to...
16:34Yes.
16:35Any mother who has...
16:36Yes, that's...
16:37Any mother is a criminal.
16:38That's how it is.
16:39Always.
16:40Always.
16:41Yes.
16:42Yes, here you have to take into account...
16:43Take the woman out of the...
16:44Sorry, Cintia.
16:45Yes.
16:46Take a person out of prison.
16:48Yes.
16:49The imprisonment says,
16:50a crime of at least less than three years,
16:53and maximum greater than eight,
16:55less than eight,
16:56can be released from prison.
16:58That is to say,
16:59you have the right to wait for the trial,
17:01in virtue of the presumption of innocence,
17:03outside of prison.
17:05Now, what happens?
17:06What are the only...
17:07the only questions that a judge can say,
17:12you don't go out,
17:13that there is a mismanagement of the investigation.
17:16For example,
17:17if Morel Rial goes out,
17:18and calls one of the accomplices,
17:20and says,
17:21throw what we had hidden in the trunk of the street,
17:23hide, erase the traces...
17:25Of course.
17:26That is,
17:27he is afraid of that.
17:28Then he says,
17:29no, I have to keep it a secret,
17:31because it can obstruct the investigation.
17:33And you think she could do something like that?
17:35Escape danger is surely not Morel Rial.
17:38I think Nesto played it backwards.
17:40If she hadn't been Morel Rial,
17:42it would have been much more difficult to find this.
17:45With respect to what Marcelo said,
17:47with respect to the minor,
17:49let's see,
17:50in what sense can a minor be protected
17:52if Morena did more than once
17:54this type of crime
17:56with the minor inside the car?
17:58As Cintia said,
17:59I take the baby,
18:00because I know that this,
18:01if I'm with him,
18:02I'm going to get caught.
18:04We are all running to the right here.
18:06Clara, do you know what happens?
18:09I'm going to explain to you.
18:10If there is a shooting,
18:11or if they collide in flight,
18:13and the creature dies,
18:14that's when we're going to remember the baby.
18:17That's when we're going to remember that they're all mothers.
18:20Now, mother to give the tit,
18:21excuse me,
18:22suck milk, breastfeed,
18:23and the thing is over.
18:24But this is a right that the minor has.
18:27Minors have rights
18:29that have nothing to do with the mother,
18:31be it Morel Rial,
18:32be it the petition of the judge,
18:34that is,
18:35if she has a right.
18:38Doctor, let's clarify something.
18:40Prisoners only lose their freedom,
18:42their rights are still maintained.
18:44Beyond whether you like it or not,
18:46it has to do with the fact that they are under state custody.
18:49They are also innocent until the opposite is shown.
18:55What are the rights,
18:56what are the things that a person who is detained sees limited?
19:00Well, first the economic issue,
19:01he can't do business,
19:03there are a lot of issues he has,
19:05one of them regarding his children,
19:07the state custody,
19:08that is,
19:09if the guy is in prison
19:10and the mother wants to change the schoolboy,
19:12she doesn't have to go ask the house.
19:13She can do it alone.
19:14If the mother is living in the capital
19:16and she wants to live in Cordoba,
19:18she doesn't have to ask the father for permission,
19:20because there are clearly limitations to the state custody of the detainee.
19:25Now, sorry,
19:26Mauricio, can't you take away the custody of your son
19:28as a result of all this?
19:29Because I agree with Cintia,
19:30taking a child to that situation is crazy.
19:33I think it's an excellent idea.
19:35The problem is that there is no one here who can take it away,
19:37because the father,
19:38I don't know who he is,
19:40they told me that...
19:42But the child is with Jorge now,
19:44can't he stay with the grandfather?
19:46Yes, the grandfather is a solution in replacement of a father.
19:49For now that is temporary, right?
19:51Because there was a lot of confusion.
19:52The one who would have to play the role of father today
19:54would be the father,
19:55but the father didn't even play these three months.
19:58No, I mean, obviously the best thing for a son is...
20:00No, no, no.
20:01I think he's in another province.
20:03I don't know.
20:04He gave a statement on the night of the 22nd.
20:06Do you remember when he was arrested,
20:07that Santi Riva Roy was there?
20:08No, but that's Ambrosini, no, no.
20:10No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
20:12He went to look for the child at the police station.
20:14Matías Ogas, who gave a note to Lama at that time,
20:16said that nothing was true,
20:18that Morena was confused.
20:19Yes, I remember.
20:20That she didn't know...
20:21And she left with the child.
20:23She left with the child.
20:24And that child, who was in charge of his father,
20:26because he had a friend of Morena at that time,
20:28who was also...
20:29Involved.
20:30Involved.
20:31Why does Jorge have it?
20:32Besides, let's make it clear,
20:33because there were many people worried,
20:35because the child had to be treated in a clinic yesterday
20:38because he had a fever,
20:39so Jorge did not take him to the hospital.
20:41I'm going to explain why Jorge has it today.
20:42First, because he has many economic resources.
20:45He has a place for me,
20:47which is where a child of four years old has to be.
20:50Of course, because instead of saving him from violence...
20:52And then, the father, the father of Morena Rial,
20:54I told you here,
20:55when Morena denounces him for gender violence,
20:57that everyone knows,
20:58Morena came out, she sued me, etc.
21:00What I said,
21:01that Morena impersonated a police station in Córdoba,
21:04because Matías was a dangerous guy for Morena and for the baby.
21:08Of course.
21:09So, in that context...
21:10That had an episode of violence.
21:12It had.
21:13Here we talk about it.
21:14It was in Córdoba, right?
21:15It was in Córdoba.
21:16I remember that moment.
21:17In fact, today Morena is also prohibited from entering
21:19her apartment in Córdoba,
21:21in the complex where she lives.
21:22All the neighbors signed.
21:23We communicate with them,
21:25because Morena can never enter that complex again.
21:28And all the things inside,
21:29they are not going to give them either.
21:31They took out the magnetic key,
21:33they changed the locks,
21:34and Morena cannot approach that complex,
21:36neither she nor her current boyfriend Matías Ogas,
21:40because if they approach,
21:41they are going to send the police.
21:42Pepe, I think we have reached a moment...
21:44What?
21:45That Jorge is the best thing that can happen to him.
21:47I think so.
21:48He, this afternoon in Argenzuela,
21:50I was watching him,
21:51and he said again,
21:53what he said on some occasion,
21:55that he is very ashamed.
21:58Yes.
21:59That he thinks that Morena is old enough
22:02to decide for herself what she has to do.
22:05And that, in fact, he is going to give her everything,
22:08what he can keep giving her,
22:09because in fact he has done it.
22:10Like he did with your daughter.
22:11But he didn't want privileges, said Marcel.
22:13Yes, he didn't want privileges,
22:15and he also said that he thinks
22:16that this is a very particular moment in his life.
22:18It breaks him.
22:19Real Morena, who thinks it's going to be a break,
22:22and I hope it's for good.
22:24A first step, you could say.
22:26I think a first step,
22:27the lawyer said the same,
22:28a first step would be perhaps
22:30to speak against this environment
22:32and even perhaps to help justice in that sense with the band.
22:35And then another important issue is that Chipola
22:38clarified that Morena agreed that her old man,
22:41that is, with the grandfather,
22:42who has the baby,
22:43they were in a good relationship,
22:45they were talking until late yesterday,
22:46and they also sent her photos,
22:48because she was very worried about the baby.
22:49And yes, of course.
22:50Beyond us being able to believe it,
22:51the truth is that the mother...
22:52You can't believe it anyway,
22:53because if you expose it...
22:54Well, that's why.
22:55But we also try...
22:56Against the wall,
22:57and the baby there,
22:58held by the other,
22:59who was also an accomplice
23:00of what was happening.
23:01Yes, of course.
23:02Well, let's not dehumanize.
23:03Sometimes people make mistakes,
23:05but they are human beings
23:06with errors to avoid.
23:07But clearly,
23:08the two poor ones,
23:09but the baby more.
23:10Yes, of course.
23:11The baby did not choose.
23:12The baby did not choose.
23:13No, I know, I'm fine.
23:14No, but still,
23:15she thinks it's the grandfather,
23:16but she misses him,
23:17that it can be.
23:18Of course.
23:19It's logical,
23:20it's the mother, right?
23:21Pepe, I think it's a good time,
23:22and I invite the girls
23:23and Dr. D'Alessandro
23:24to help us,
23:25to undo everything
23:26that started that night,
23:27that would come...
23:28I don't know if it was
23:29in the early morning,
23:30if it was the same...
23:31No, it started...