How difficult will it be for the Chiefs to remain dominant? Did Travis Kelce play his last game? Will the "next run" be tougher?
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00:00I feel like the day two after the Super Bowl,
00:03looking back on it,
00:05Kelsey done 1,000% not coming back.
00:09And this is the beginning of Mahomes
00:14and his attempt to do this
00:16with a basically an entirely different roster.
00:18Cause Kelsey is, has been his number one,
00:22you know, Hall of Fame tight end.
00:24Yeah.
00:25You know, everybody's like, oh, he lost Biennale,
00:27but that didn't appear to be a big deal.
00:28He's lost Tyreek Hill as a player.
00:30That didn't appear to be a big deal.
00:32They have some skill, but winning now,
00:35getting to this next run is going to be far more difficult
00:38than what they've been doing the last couple of years.
00:41Now you will be able to really see
00:43whether he has any Tom Brady in him or not.
00:46And, and what, you know, what, what they were able,
00:50how they were able to keep it together here
00:54for 20 plus years with, what did Tom Brady play?
00:5724 years in the NFL.
00:59So 22 years here or whatever the number is
01:02and the way that, that he and Bill were able
01:06to stay together and, and interact for that long
01:09is a part of the, of the magic of the dynasty.
01:14So I don't, we were talking about it yesterday.
01:17Like how long do you really think Mahomes
01:20is going to have the advantage
01:22of having Andy Reid as his head coach?
01:24I don't, but I don't think Andy Reid is as much
01:27for me personally, I, I don't think Andy Reid
01:31is as much of a like Mahomes needs him.
01:35Okay.
01:36I think if Mahomes has a girl.
01:37I'm going to have to call cap too.
01:40I mean, you point out how important Bill was all the time.
01:43Right.
01:44But I think Bill's a better coach than Andy Reid.
01:47And I think Bill's strong point was his defense as a coach.
01:52Right.
01:53Where I think Andy Reid, where I think Patrick Mahomes
01:56if you put a good offensive coordinator with him
01:59I think he'll strive the same way that Brady strived
02:04on the Charlie Weiss, Josh McDaniels and Billy O'Brien.
02:09So I think that you'll, the head coach will just have
02:12to keep the, you know, the, the, the overall team gelling.
02:19But I think when you have a guy like Mahomes
02:22he'll have that type of, of, of ability to do that.
02:25Would you consider Andy Reid to be
02:28in the same conversation as Belichick?
02:30I mean, I, I mean, he is right.
02:34I mean, he is, I, I, I wouldn't personally put him
02:37there 100%.
02:38I'm kind of with Wiggy on this in that like
02:41by the end, the offense was Tom's
02:44like he learned it through Charlie and Bill
02:47and Josh and Billy O and all that.
02:49But in the end, when he got to Tampa
02:52and they were struggling
02:53he basically just recreated the offense he knew
02:55and he was able to execute it despite the fact
02:57that his coaches didn't create it.
02:58I do think-
02:59But you also had him surpassing Bill Belichick
03:02if they won that game on Sunday.
03:03Right.
03:04Well, because I, Bill Belichick's never replicated it
03:08anywhere with any coach or with anybody other
03:10than Tom Brady.
03:10And the fact that Tom was able to go
03:12and execute it without him.
03:14I just thought if Andy Reid, Andy Reid is
03:17is much more beneficial to Patrick Mahomes
03:19in that he's an offensive genius.
03:22So he knows the side of the ball that Mahomes plays.
03:24And if he had won four Super Bowls
03:26and had been very successful in his prior stop
03:29and he's approaching within 20, 30 wins
03:31of Bill Belichick, then it was a legitimate conversation.
03:33Today, no longer a conversation.
03:35I was dead-ass drunk.
03:37That was one of the worst game plans I've ever seen.
03:39Awful.
03:40I want to know what, I can't wait till it comes out
03:42what Andy Reid did during the 30 minutes
03:45of halftime at that Super Bowl.
03:46Like what was he focused on?
03:48Did he have a-
03:48Did he not go out and watch Kendrick Lamar?
03:49Was he ordering pizza?
03:51Did he hide the boxes under the bed
03:52like he did at Lehigh College?
03:54I mean, not a single, we talked about it yesterday
03:57but not a single adjustment.
03:59Not even, you brought up Travis Kelsey
04:01and you know, blocking, not his forte.
04:03But I mean, if he can't, if he can't catch a football
04:06and he can't be involved in the offense
04:08that it's second half, send him out there to block.
04:11Like, I mean, like it was
04:14there was zero adjustment made on that football game.
04:17And so, and that's why I look at
04:19like I'm not taking anything away from Andy Reid
04:21as him not being a good coach.
04:23I just think Patrick Mahomes is good enough
04:28where if you, cause we've seen Mahomes
04:31with Eric Bien-Ami as the play caller.
04:34So we've seen him with other play calls.
04:36So I think if you get another play caller in there
04:38because Andy Reid decided he wanted to retire
04:42I don't think they're going to miss a beat on offense.
04:44And then the other thing that we have to factor in
04:47that might be completely different
04:49than what, how it was here in New England
04:52is how much is the ownership and front office
04:56willing to put pieces around Patrick Mahomes
05:00throughout his peak of his prime?
05:03Yeah. Are they willing to do that?
05:04There's a lot that goes into it.
05:06Like at some point he's going to want a rewrite
05:10on his deal, right?
05:11I mean,
05:12They're going to do it this year, I think.
05:13Okay. So there's all of the, it's
05:17as we witnessed,
05:19it's impossible to keep it going
05:21with everybody reasonably happy
05:23for an extended period of time.
05:25I just think it gets exponentially harder
05:28when you're talking the next dynasty
05:31for Mahomes to do it without Andy Reid,
05:35without Travis Kelsey.
05:36And I think it gets, I just think it gets harder.
05:39But I'll give Sean credit though.
05:40Sean is right.
05:41If you look at, I think that the thing that might make it,
05:46we'll at least take the pressure off Mahomes
05:48moving forward that Brady didn't have
05:52is that Mahomes looks like he has two young wide receivers
05:57that could be pretty good.
05:58Worthy.
05:59And worthy and Rasheed Rice.
06:01So he looks like, okay,
06:03he has these two guys that he can build this relationship
06:06where with Brady, it was like,
06:08we had no idea what Welker was.
06:10We had no idea what Edelman was.
06:13We kind of had like Gronk,
06:14we were like our second round pick.
06:17And then he kind of started to come around
06:19and you're like, all right, here's what Gronk is.
06:20But Brady never had young wide receivers
06:24that you could say,
06:25oh, these guys could be good with him
06:27for the next four or five years.
06:29I love this discussion.
06:30We got into it a little bit yesterday.
06:32Don't, like, don't you think
06:34that when it comes to the conference,
06:36at least he has to deal,
06:39he's gonna have to deal with two,
06:42at least two really talented quarterbacks,
06:45more talented than Tom Brady had to deal with early on.
06:49Like, so we talked about Manning yesterday.
06:52That was really it.
06:53I mean, maybe Ben-
06:54Brian Roethlisberger was awesome.
06:56He's a two-time Superbowl champ.
06:57Like Mahomes doesn't have to deal
06:58with a single other Superbowl champion.
07:00So it's not, from your mind,
07:02it's not a harder road for Mahomes to get back there
07:05than it was for Tom Brady to get back.
07:06Well, no, that's like saying Tom Brady
07:08had to fight Phillip Rivers five times a year.
07:12Like, neither of these guys
07:13have even made it through the Superbowl.
07:14But I heard Jones and Keefe talking about this yesterday,
07:17and it was a good point.
07:18You saw Roethlisberger's career.
07:21You're judging on his career.
07:23You're judging on Rivers' career.
07:27You gotta ask your question.
07:29Do you think, when it's all said and done,
07:32that Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen
07:37are gonna be better than Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger?
07:41They might not win the championships,
07:42but are they gonna be better than those quarterbacks?
07:45Because if so-
07:47Yeah, I mean, I think Josh Allen
07:48is going to be better than Ben Roethlisberger.
07:50So then it would be, yeah,
07:52then you would be able to say
07:54the road will probably be harder for Patrick Mahomes.
07:57So even if Josh Allen never gets to the Superbowl
07:58because he can't get through Patrick Mahomes,
08:00he's just better than a two-time Superbowl champion?
08:03Yeah, I mean, wouldn't you say that
08:05there are guys that are better than Eli Manning,
08:09who's a two-time Superbowl champ?
08:11Yeah, but Eli Manning's also not a first-ballot
08:13Hall of Famer, and Ben Roethlisberger is.
08:16There's a big difference there, Ricky.
08:17So do you think Josh Allen's gonna be
08:18a first-ballot Hall of Famer?
08:20I don't know.
08:21If he doesn't even get to a Superbowl
08:22because he can't beat Patrick Mahomes, then no.
08:24So wait a second, wasn't-
08:26Lamar Jackson is absolutely-
08:27Lamar Jackson probably will be, yes.
08:28Wasn't Dan Marino a first-ballot Hall of Famer?
08:31Yeah.
08:32He never won a Superbowl.
08:33Yeah, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen
08:36are not gonna be two Dan Marinos.
08:37So you don't think Josh Allen, if he continues on the-
08:40Yeah, how old is he?
08:41He's still 29?
08:42Yeah, he's still young.
08:43So you don't think Josh Allen and Lamar,
08:47weren't they in the same class?
08:48Josh and Lamar, didn't they come out the same year?
08:51I think so.
08:51I'm looking it up right now.
08:52Might've been.
08:53Right.
08:54I know Lamar's in the background for a fact.
08:55Right, but I guess the point is they're the same age,
08:58and as the way that their careers are going,
08:59you don't think that Josh Allen
09:01is gonna be a first-ballot Hall of Famer?
09:02I do.
09:03Right.
09:04Time doesn't.
09:06If he doesn't get to a Superbowl,
09:07I think it's gonna be really difficult.
09:08Yeah.
09:09Yeah, I don't really buy getting to a Superbowl
09:11if he's one of the best quarterbacks.
09:13Wait, hold on.
09:14Why is all of a sudden now,
09:15so this is my issue.
09:17Is it because-
09:18Among many others.
09:19Yeah, I have a lot of issues.
09:20But like it's like-
09:21Does this have anything to do with the Girl Scouts?
09:23Nope, nothing.
09:24It actually has to do with football.
09:25Okay.
09:26I keep forgetting, I got Girl Scouts over the weekend.
09:27I'm just gonna bring them in.
09:28Remind me.
09:29Oh, you're hogging them at home.
09:31I am, I'm sorry.
09:32Bring them in.
09:33I just feel like we use winning
09:36only when it serves our argument.
09:37But wins as a quarterback matter, no matter what.
09:40Like all the time, they should always matter.
09:43And yet here we are.
09:44And it's like, yeah, I know.
09:45If Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson
09:46don't win a Superbowl, it's fine.
09:47They're still tougher than what Tom Brady faced
09:50in multiple Superbowl champions.
09:52Yeah.
09:52Like that's, it's insane to me.
09:53Yeah, but that's a team-based thing,
09:55a championship, right?
09:57That's a team-based thing.
09:58Then Tom Brady was facing harder teams.
10:00Like it's the same thing.
10:02If it's not the quarterback, then it's the team.
10:04Well, no, I'm just saying-
10:05Either way, they're winning Superbowl.
10:06I'm saying that the team was better
10:08around Ben Roethlisberger than it is around Josh Allen.
10:11I agree a thousand percent.
10:12If Josh Allen had those Steelers teams,
10:14he would win Superbowls.
10:15No way.
10:16I have no doubt.
10:17Also-
10:18He's not getting through Tom Brady to win the Superbowl.
10:19So you think Josh Allen,
10:20you think Ben Roethlisberger is a better quarterback?
10:22It is-
10:24Knowing Ben Roethlisberger's career
10:26to what we've seen from Josh Allen so far, yes.
10:28He'll be a better quarterback.
10:29Yes.
10:30Oh man, I disagree.
10:31Yeah, you're on an island on that one.
10:32You're on the island that I'm on
10:34when the Celtics were better.
10:37Yeah, let's see Josh Allen beat Patrick Holmes
10:39in a playoff game first, and then we'll figure it out.
10:40I mean, it's going to be tough to beat him.
10:43Shyam is on Roethlisberger Island,
10:45and as most people there, it's not by his own choice.
10:49All right.
10:50Well, anyway, I refuse to talk Chiefs all morning.
10:54Good topic, Curtis, but we can talk about it some,
10:57but not all morning.
10:58I'm fine.
10:59I just want to make sure those bathrooms are not locked.