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00:00I agree on your submission on EU pay transparency directive. I think it's
00:07really important to keep bringing that up. I completely disagree with everything
00:11you say. We've had no gay supply beforehand and now it's no trans supply.
00:18I mean I think it's disgraceful to be frank. We're not saying it's no trans
00:23supply, we're saying trans people should have all the rights, the
00:27human rights that everybody else has. And then outline areas where trans people
00:33should not have access. No, trans people, women who are trans identified can
00:39still access female spaces, so we're not excluding trans people. We're excluding
00:44men from our from our single-sex spaces. Do you feel that there's no such thing as a
00:48trans man or trans woman? A trans woman is a man who presents and
00:57pretends to be a woman. A trans man is a woman who pretends and presents as a
01:03man. So trans men who are women, biologically, are not excluded because
01:10they're men. They're not excluded from their own spaces, from men's spaces.
01:15They're not excluded from those places where they legitimately can go,
01:20they're just wee big asses excluded from women's spaces.
01:25And I just feign, you know, the whole history of LGBTQ plus is about
01:32inclusion rather than exclusion and that's my big problem. So I'll say no more.
01:37Just one word that's being used regularly throughout all of this is the
01:42word pretend. The government provides gender recognition certificates. That
01:50doesn't say your gender has changed. The law says your sex has changed. Now you've
01:54highlighted heavily today this is about sex, male and female. The law says that.
02:00The Gender Recognition Act was was created because homosexuals could not
02:07marry. So two women couldn't marry and two men couldn't marry. So the way
02:11around that was to create a Gender Recognition Act where a man could change
02:17his gender and legal sex, it's a legal fiction, so that he could marry
02:22another man. Now that we have same-sex, you can look it up, you can roll your
02:27eyes, but you can look it up. I'm not rolling my eyes, I'm just incredulous. Yeah it is
02:31incredulous that that was made law before same-sex marriage was made law.
02:35And now we have same-sex marriage. There's no need for a Gender Recognition
02:39Act. Men could not marry men before the law changed, likewise women couldn't
02:43marry women. They could when they had a Gender Recognition Certificate because
02:47as you say, legally their sex changed. Yes, but that was not the purpose of
02:51having Gender Recognition Certificates. Can I add to that? I'm conscious I still have to bring Sinead in, but go ahead.
02:56No, go ahead, make your point quickly, thank you. With regard to the Gender
03:01Recognition Act and the associated Gender Recognition Certificates, it's
03:06important to bear in mind, very few trans people have a Gender Recognition
03:12Certificate, because the subsequent legislation has given them many proper
03:19rights, so the Gender Recognition Certificate really is irrelevant, it's
03:24not going to... Approximately 5,000 in the United Kingdom. I think, just to conclude Jess, I
03:30think I find the word, and it's not, I do, and I believe that many trans people will
03:35be traumatised by listening to this today, and they will be offended and
03:39traumatised by the use of the word pretend. Okay, thank you. Sinead, please.