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00:00But I mean, if this was about Russia and the United States patching up their relationship,
00:06why do European leaders think they should have been at the table?
00:09Right.
00:11So I think that's because European leaders do not believe this is about Russia and the
00:15United States patching up their relationship.
00:17On the contrary, European leaders believe President Trump is pursuing a proverbial strategic
00:21condominium of a special separate deal with Russia over the heads or behind the backs
00:26of A, Ukraine, and B, the European members of NATO, many of whom are front-line states
00:32in this conflict.
00:33So that's a long-winded way of saying, I think, that the European leaders think Trump is either
00:37being naive and being manipulated by Putin or, by design, wants to cut a separate deal
00:43and a separate piece with Russia, regardless of the interests of the European leaders and
00:49European countries.